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He never said he approached them and they snubbed him.

jaephoenix:
1. Bast.ard , I have reminded you that I asked many questions in this thread, you should remind me the specific question that is giving u restless night but a week later, u still cannot. Who is mad between 2 of us?
2.By the way, if you wanna know how liquid oxygen is administered to patients, you pay for the knowledge(and cure your ignorance), or u check it online(and hope you get the correct method)

I don't expect you to own up to your lies.

If not that your head is not there,why should I be the one to remind you of the foolish question you asked and insisted I answer before you say anything further?

Your excuse that you asked many questions and so can't remember is as silly as the one a child caught stealing from a pot of soup would give,

You asked me just one question and not many. So stop lying to yourself
One minute,"answer the question first, the next minute , after I answered it, the same you, "please remind me I have forgotten"

Your head nor correct at all.

2. You think I'm deceived that you're medical doctor? Continue to delude yourself since you lack any form of integrity whatsoever. The fuel for your deceptive behavior around here is coming from your atheists friends who are lacking the courage to call you out each time your mediocre display exposes you as an imposter.

After declaring ignorantly and confidently to the JW that liquid oxygen can be breathed in directly through the nostril,(something you Googled). the same you now wants to teach me who how to breath in liquid oxygen you have never seen or handed except through Google. Nonsense.

I don't blame you Nairaland is a faceless forum where scammers hide behind their phones to deceive the public.Your cup will get full very soon.

jaephoenix:
Good, ignorant dolt. Since you're so brain dead you cannot remember this question I asked that is fungating in your brain.
Take care

I just saw this now

You asked a question,but I should be the one to remind you of it.

You well so?

Mr quack doctor who doesn't know how liquid oxygen is administered to patients. If you have any integrity still left in you, by now you should have deactivated this account of yours and start learning how to live an upright life.

You cannot deceive everybody here.

advanceDNA:
cliche sir....
a convenient one at that to explain thousand of years of next to zero innovation, and inventions.. why I am i not surprised you blame the blame the colonizers after decades of their exit....

Where's the cliche? Progress for any group is through collective effort. You don't seem to know that hence your wrong judgement.

I'm no longer blaming them . Why should I ? The Chinese and the Indians were colonised too, but where are they today? You never got what said at first. I explained that we were moving at our own pace until they came to forcefully put a stop to it and made us completely dependent on them for everything .. That dependency which has remained is what we should do away with if we want to make progress . They have left and they have
left. So let's start believing in ourselves like the Chinese who no longer depend on their colonisers. But when we have people like you everywhere who believe they cannot innovate due to their environment how can we progress?

how long is it supposed to take sir... thousand of years gone.... The colonizers came and many years more after the colonizers left......if the rest of the world moved at your pace, u likely wont be holding the phone u are typing with...heck! U might have died because of sickle cell or some weird disease

I already explained why you're still here and not progressed as you expect. What have you been doing ?Not much ,and it's not because you cannot do anything but you think you cannot innovate . FYI , most of the phones we use theses days are from China and your white masters whom you still worship are buying from them.

Please use your head and know we were treating ourselves with local medicines we discovered before they came. Or are you telling me we were never sick and treating ourselves before they came? . In fact your white lords had no cure for malaria when they arrived at the beginning ,and were dying like flies to the extent West Africa was called the white man's grave.

all u have is insults and a lame attempt at defending what isn't even close to mediocrity....

I didn't insult you.You haven't provided any evidence backing your claims. So what do you expect me to say? Most of the things you have described about your own version of African history matches what you find portrayed in Hollywood and Nollywood .So know insult.

first it's nollywood & Hollywood, now its my imagination......see, ur choice of words shows that u are just defending mediocrity with emotions because u think I'm insulting Africa, which isnt my context......u have nothing real to show and that's why u desperately came up with the pyramids..

It's all together, Hollywood, Nollywood and the things you have imagined. If you say it's not ,then provide your source. . You didn't live then to know what exactly happened. So, Where are you getting what you have been saying from ? Tell me.

And which is your context? You're not sure of what you're saying. You keep changing your statements. The first time,it was "limited by brain power". Later, "limited by environment" . Despite the obvious differences, you continue to say it's the same. So between the two of us who has been defending mediocrity. Stop projecting yourself thinking it would help you win an argument . No way.

And again, the pyramids is not the only thing I mentioned. I listed others too. Or you deliberately skipped them to focus only on the pyramids which has completely shattered your falsehood that our people in Africa couldn't innovate in any way ?I mentioned ancient Benin kingdom and Ghana. You ignored those ones. I even talked about trade routes.

These aren't the only evidence of innovation If you care to find out yourself and don't wait for me to spoon feed you.

counter my lies?? Lies??
..my opinions are based on my observation of existing evidence and basic human psychology

Where are the existing evidence you observed? And I don't think from what you have displayed so far you understand basic human psychology.

How am I lying when the evidence shows that Africa has almost nothing to show on the table of novel innovation with all our vast resources and fantastic environment (which u are claiming u refuted by just the pyramid ..lol this is pathetic)

Are you sure you fully understand the meaning of the word innovation? Innovation must not only be in the sciences . They are other fields of human endeavour which anyone can display innovative thinking..Learn the exact meaning of the words you keep using. I hope you won't come back with your usual context excuse? I won't repeat myself about the pyramids . If you still don't understand why I mentioned them ,then nothing I can tell you anymore.

Psychology: When u have abundance or in a comfort zone, complacency is one of the behavioural outcomes

Thank God you say it's one of the outcomes and not the only one. Humans are unique creatures. Everybody cannot act exactly the same way and that's why it's not easy to predict accurately what a human being in any given situation can do. I have talked of Dangote and others who are still thinking of ways to increase their wealth despite the abundance they're swimming in. So you see, you don't fully understand human psychology but pretend you do.
All of Europe isn't equally developed. What's the reason if it's true, according to you,their environment is suited for innovative thinking ? Or is it that some parts of Europe have abundant natural resources like Africa hence they couldn't keep pace with the development going elsewhere in that continent?

abundance which was supposed to blessing technically became a limitation.......because there is a popular saying that necessity or need, drive thinking, invention and innovation..

And finally ,your own cliche. Necessity.......Hehehe .

Now , it's no longer your brain that limited you,but abundance.

Look let's leave the olden days and look at all the African nations ..or let's narrow it down Nigeria..The moment we had abundance of oil....what happened...we became complacent, consuming, consuming, consuming....Like the thousands of years ago all over again.....no reason to think new means of survival
..and the bad part is..u and some others are still blaming colonizers and religion.....

Nigeria is not the only oli producing country in Africa
So don't narrow it down to create another false argument. Since you're taking about blacks in Africa, which you say is your context, stick to that and include what happened elsewhere . Did others acted the way we did? If they didn't,then you have no point.

And you have come with another one again. Are you sure I blamed religion? BTW which religion?

Lol..... hallelujah!!! I'm happy u know ur history, And it's weird that it was just the pyramids u were quick to mention out of all those amazing technologies,and engineering, and advanced medicine your ancestors came up with thousands of years ago....sigh!!

I said if you still don't understand why I brought in the pyramids then I'm afraid you won't be able make sense of anything I will explain or even make any sense yourself. It's not an insult.

And please don't misrepresent me. I never described them as " amazing" You're the one doing so for reason best known to you.

advanceDNA:
...oh! So u have not started believing in yourself?? U that had plenty tech and pyramids while while naked thousands of years ago?? LoL

Anyway..while u are at believing yourself...at least try and move past the the victim card... Ur colonizers left you decades ago...

But hey!! If you can't come up with another pyramid.......u can just use excess or borrowed cash and government backing to reproduce already made products like ur Dangote..... It's all good

Progress for any group is collective effort and that's why I use the pronoun, we. It cannot be by own personal effort, but all of us which includes you.

The colonizers didn't develop overnight. It took time. You don't know this because your head is filled with the things you watch on Nollywood and Hollywood which are false representation of history.

I need to hear things based on facts and not what you're imagining and interpreting wrongly about your environment

And again the pyramid,I mentioned was to counter your lies we were moving about naked because we couldn't innovate. So stop the unnecessary wailings.

If you ancestors were going about naked, mine wasn't. I know my history, you unfortunately don't.

advanceDNA:
Lol...I even told u why I sighed sir....but u chose to play a condescending game...opinion is free



Why would I want to stress myself over what I'm not getting paid...u ddnt get it....it's fine.. i ddnt mention u....u came to my mention...sir

This is no more important now and you cannot manipulate me with your accusations of condescending. Cut the crap and stick to defending your claims. That's all.
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lol.....okay..I realize now that you are some kinda self appointed word police that check people for using words the way they want......So what will be my count charge and penalty? because all this ur challenging is of no use other than an opportunity to be condescending..

All of these is no more relevant. We have passed this stage. Focus on the main thing. I only wanted you to make clear your explanations by using the proper descriptive word. What you think you have communicated is different from what others have made of it. And I have shown you that from your own statements which keeps changing all the time. No consistency and clarity,not to talk of the logicality that's also absent.
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this is fvnny, I must confess....
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Everything is funny to you.

hiding...?? lol....
Again..u are very hilarious..
what would I be hiding from...I wasn't even interested in talking to u initially..u were literally pleading for a response when I sighed...

What concerns me if you're not interested in talking to me? I didn't beg for you to reply me. The plea was for you not to sigh again when replying since I expected you to reply ,and not that I begged you to reply . If you feel too important to reply anybody here, I said go and create your personal blog. Nairaland is an Open forum where members are expected to reply each other to keep the conversation going.So why should I beg you?

lol.....I see you are offended
By my context...I apologize for vexing you.

You didn't offend me. So, keep your apologies to yourself and focus on defending your claims if you want to continue doing that..

well, if u have not noticed africa is largely a consumer and less a contributor to the list of innovation, and inventions the world is enjoying....I mean when the rest of the world was coming up with laws, and theories, and principles, which guided old and modern inventions, a large part of Africa was barely clothed....

Before now we were not what you described above, consuming without producing. Go and find out about the trans Sahara trade routes and other trade routes that existed in ancient Africa to know we were producing and selling to the outside world using local technology we developed ourselves before colonialism came to disorganize us. We also used certain laws and theories to guide what we produced,but not documenting it and giving it the scientific names you're used to now. I'm sorry to say your understanding of what science and technology means is very casual. I said before ,that technology began in Africa. You have refused to confirm that.Most of the things you have argued are based on what you have imagined.

you were literally demanding for a response...I felt u needed to be told no one owes you anything before managing to respond to you sir

My friend, I didn't beg for a response,and only pleaded you don't sigh again if you feel like responding. And BTW ,what do you think of your self? What reasonable thing have you said that would make me want to beg you for any response?
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sigh!! U seem to want to be in control of what pple say and bow they say it ....I don't get why?? I explained u what said initially and maintained it....I don't know this is an issue for u sir?? It's funny and weird..

I'm not trying to control you. Your responses keeps changing. I want you to be consistent so one knows where you a
exactly you stand on the matter.

so whats the difference?? If u are offended.... I'm sorry for saying the same thing in a different way..u don't have to agree though

but I thought I have already explained what I meant that the "black man's" environment limited innovative and thinking abilities compared to the whites ..
See...I won't do this again...that's why I kept sighing...it's tiring exchanging words with you because u seem to want to read it in a particular way that u want...

1.If you cannot see the difference between the two statements, then it would be really difficult for you to make further sense on this matter and I'm discontinuing the conversation after now, but not without debunking your lies about your own African people whose past history you know nothing of.

2. You first statement was , "the fact is that blacks have limited brain power due to their environment", then later you changed it to "limited by their external environment without mentioning the brain.

3. If you still struggle to see the difference, show the two statements to any of your friends to help you see it. The limited brain power you have accepted about yourself may be the reason you still cannot see it.

your own pace with all your vast resources and convenience ?? Ur own pace?? This is really fvnny.....when the world was already flying in the air with hot air balloons, using better medicine, and developing impressive engineering, etc....u are saying you were developing at your pace....??

You still don't get it. The period they were inventing some of those things was when they kept us under subjugation. If they had left us to develop at our pace, we would not be where we are today. If someone makes you completely dependent on them, you become useless and not able to anything for yourself without their assistance. And that's what has happened to Africa.

That's the thing u guys ....never want to admit...our environment had too much abundance right from the start even now, we had no reason to think and develop, we were complacent..even now...which was what drove my comment that seems to be annoying you.

You haven't annoyed me , but displaying lazy thinking which you have to be conscious of. Abundance cannot stop you from using your brain to develop. I talked of Dangote who's abundantly rich but still thinking of how to acquire more wealth. You rejected it because you failed to grasp the reference.

.it was a horrible pace...and it is evident now that the world is a global village, technology is shared, and further innovative applications are being developed, we are still stuck in the old age of only consuming, consuming, consuming

You call it horrible pace because you're using current standards to judge the past. We were not only "consuming, "consuming consuming" in the past but also "producing producing producing" for the outside world to buy. You're completely ignorant of your past history and using the present to Judge. You have missed it . Colonialism has made our people completely dependent on outsiders for what we can equally produce ourselves. People like you would choose anything foreign,even if it's toothpick over what's produced locally here because that's how your mind made has been programmed to like.

sigh!!! My intention was not to make degrading comments....if u don't get the context ...that's fine... If it's annoying to u and triggering you...that's really your cup of tea

You're not in any position to degrade me with any comments of yours and moreover you didn't set any proper context . There's no consistency in your explanations.

I can only pity you for the lack of awareness you have been displaying so far . "Triggering and annoying" is another attempt to project yourself .

victim card as usual...they left you since 1960......how far since then?? by the way, Ethiopia was reported to never have been colonized.....again...how far??

It's not victim card,but having people like you everywhere working against others who want to do the right thing. When most of you have completely accepted that you're incapable of innovative thinking because of your environment,how to you expect to progress.

When you don't know that it was in Ethiopia that technology started in the world, how can you know why they aren't as developed as the Western world. Every parts of Europe is not equally developed . So what's the reason? Tell me

victim card again....alot of places were under forced rulership...even Scotland and Ireland were under the Brits.....

It beats me how you want to make comparison between what happened in Africa with those places. Colonialism here was very brutal. Your people were sold has slaves, their resources plundered mindlessly and their religion superimpose with a false one which made them loose what unites them spiritually . Till today we're still reeling from the effect of all of that. As a Christian, you have lost your authenticity as an African. So how can you know the secrets hiding here and make progress? "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery "

A slave cannot make real progress.

lol.... Oh so now the narrative is that the whites stole ur technology?? This is funny....

I didn't say they stole our technology but plundered the golden stools we made using local technology. Go back and reread

yawn!! Condescending as usual, that's ur aim all along....I'm happy you are happy

You can easily see condescending in others but cannot see it in your behaviour towards me .

hallelujah!!! Africa had all the technology that translated to almost nothing...and hey!! many parts of africajust chose to live primitive.... yawn!!

This is a straw man from you.I never said we had all the technology.Your argument was that our people of the past where' not innovative in thinking, and no where near developing . The picture you painted was that they were living in the wild like savages without any form of clothing to cover themselves until the whites came. I have countered that falsehood of yours by providing instances where we displayed innovation using local technology we invented as at that time. You won't have it because it doesn't agree with the false narrative you have been brainwashed with and now spreading here.

ur local religion?? Nigga u guys are still killing ur fellow man for rituals in the name of local religion....gosh!! , u murdered thousands of twins because they were an abomination to ur gods, u buried live humans with kings because the gods of ur religion said so.......lol.... I don't know cheap point u aimed at scoring with bringing up African religion but it's not looking good for you......in a desperate attempt is just making u sound backward.....

Ignorance speaking again here and it's even coming from someone whose God ordered the killings of innocent babies and pregnant women, and wouldn't have forgiven you if his only begotten son"s blood was not spilled. You're worshipping a blood thirsty diety, Jehovah, and still open your mouth to say things not true about traditional Africa religion.
The killing of twins and other things you mentioned were never ordered by any God or gods our people venerated. You're confusing cultural practices and voodoo with ATR. Some of your pastors and most of you Christians usually visit some of these witch doctors secretly for help when blood of Jesus has failed you. .Is it Jehovah ordering you to visit the babalawos?


Gods in ATR are a personification of natural forces. So no real God has or is ordering them to do anything. The Supreme deity, Olodumare ,Chukwu etc, from the viewpoint of ATR is regarded has unknown. That's why you won't find any shrine dedicated to them. It's Jehovah who has ordered the killings of innocents that's worshiped in churches,and needs money from you to take care of himself .
You don't know anything about your people and what you think they're worshipping.
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lol.....ur are getting desperate.... this man wants to claim ancient egypt as part of the Africa that ddnt wear clothes ....please sir dont be desperate.

I have provided you with facts to clear your ignorance and you're calling it desperate?

what has the pyramids translated to for your Africa Cos I know what Charles law, newtons law, Archimeds principles has translated to

The pyramids countered your falsehood that we were never innovative in thinking .
Charles law, Newton"s laws etc are just names for discovered laws which already exist in nature. They didn't not invent it or create it . They were discovered.They observed it in nature and employed it. . Our people in the past also discovered similar laws and used it too and that's why you have something like the pyramids.

See oga.....If pyramids are all you have as bragging rights u should know have realized are just clinging to straws sir......

I'm not clinging at straws. You're saying that to console yourself. Pyramids is not the only thing I mentioned. I talked of the idea to come up with street lights by the ancient Benins as evidence that we could think and not challenged by our environment.

So here you have it. We can progress much more than we're currently doing if we start to believe in ourselves.

advanceDNA:
Sigh!! (this time I'm sighing because ur response is all over the place and tiring)...because if i dont, it will be another problem..

First... u should know nobody owes you a response online...U say so many words in so many direction without getting the context of the comment you are mentioning and you now funnily demand a response like you are talking to a child or houseboy........ It's condescending...

1. You're sighing again because I suspect you're unable to critically analyze what I said and respond appropriately, and not because I have said anything wrong .Sighing has become a coping mechanism for you .

2. If I took your words out of context and you were very sure of that, why then did you not provide the context immediately after?. I didn't start the conversation with you, another person did. And even if I did, context doesn't give you the liberty to use words inappropriately. You're not talking to yourself,but writing for the public. So you must carefully select words that fits into the context of your writing ,if not you create confusion.

Please take responsibility for the ambiguity in your comment I highlighted for you the first time and stop hiding behind context and projecting yourself.

Use the more acceptable descriptive word, Africans, and not Blacks. You were called both be your colonial masters and it's now considered a racist slur to refer to Africans as blacks in most online forums. If it were Facebook you wrote that nonsense, "Blacks have limited brain power" which is a lie, your account will be placed on suspension when reported.

3 Finally I never said you owe me any response. You have been replying the way you like and I expected you to respond but pleaded you respond respectfully. If you were not going to do so ,no need responding to tell me . Just remain shut. This is not your personal blog.

Okay......it's like u read only a part of comment and used it to play ur right or wrong game the first time..

I haven't played any right or wrong game. I only called you out so you disambiguate the vague statement you made.
You have made that clear by defining the blacks you were referring to . Why still going back to it ,instead focusing on main thing?

my first comment that u mentioned carried the context that black man has always been limited by the environment he's forged in compared to the whites whose environment naturally drove them to invention, innovation, and development..(if u ddnt miss the context u wont be expecting me to explain separately that i mean africa).... Wait fess...let me explain the reason for the comment since u say I am wrong or generalizing....

And you have just departed from what you asserted initially. Why can't you be consistent for once?

Go back and read what I reacted to which has caused this,and see the exact thing you said and see it's completely different from this latest one.
You declared that " Blacks have limited brain power due to the environment they grew up in.
Now, you have changed it to "Black man has always been limited by the environment he's forged in"

Limited by your brain , which is internal cause, is not the same thing as limited by your external environment.

You're creating confusion making it difficult to know where exactly you stand. You have the problem of not being able to effectively communicate what you want to say .

i made this comment because the person i mentioned was sayimg religion was used to prevent us from growing....but it's the same bible they use in europe and Quran in saudi and dubai...
Besides we were never anywhere near developing even before the bible came.......we ddnt even wear clothes at some point becos of our hot weather, we had no reason to think and innovate because of abundance of food, good weather, meat, fish through out the year...etc..
Which was why I said necessity is the mother of invention.....our environment was great but it limited our inventing, thinking capacity from the beginning....saying religion that came thousands of years later that met many years later limited us is weird to me.....

But u took the context of my comment else where and started talking about Dangote...

. Another round of falsehood. We were developing at our own pace until the colonial masters came to disrupt it . Yes, we had some good from it, but not something you celebrate and use to make disparaging comments about your own people of the past

It was give and take. The Europeans massively benefitted from us too. They exploited both human and natural resources we have in abundance to develop their own lands while preventing us from doing so for ourselves . Now in your ignorance you believed it was because we lack the capacity to think or innovate.

How can you be innovative in the presence of those who forced their leadership on you and want you to depend completely on them?

Before several parts of Europe were lit up, the ancient Benin kingdom in Nigeria had street lights at night lightning up everywhere. Is that not innovative thinking. And the people there where not going about naked. They had cloths of different materials which they made themselves through weaving techniques passed on from generation to generation.

What of the Ashantis in Ghana who came up with local technology used in producing golden stools which the whites came to plunder.

It's a shame you're regurgitating half truths about your Africa and Africans due to crass ignorance of what actually happened in the past.

You don't even know that technology began in Africa

SMH



At some point too the whites were not fully clothed in their environment. I hope you know that? They came here to impose their dress code on you instead of allowing you use what you created yourself and in your ignorance you believe if not for you then we would be going about naked till now.

Your local religion is more better and authentic than the false religious construct of Christianity they brought to you.

Modified. What of the pyramids built in Egypt? Or are you one of those who think Egypt is outside the continent of Africa ?

The pyramids are one of the wonders of the world. Till today scientists still cannot explain how it was built by ancients Africans.

advanceDNA:
Sigh

You're lost for words? Why?

I'm not disagreeing and agreeing with you at the same time, and we aren't saying the same thing. I will explain again for the last time., Please take your time to read and respond appropriately.

You said we should accept the fact blacks, which you didn't specify at first,have limited brain power because of the environment they grow up in. I rejected that falsehood,and then try to make you understand that apart from your claim lacking any form of scientific backing the environment hasn't limited our brain power. We have it in abundance and that's why some, if not most, of us can easily and instantly use it outside shores of the continent where' there are abundant opportunities to take advantage of . One cannot give or make use of what one doesn't have already .

I have money in abundance where I currently find myself ,but cannot spend it enough so people know I have it is not the same thing as I don't have it or have it in limited supply due to the environment I find myself. Please reread this statement over and over again.


Dangote is one the richest black man even richer than most White billionaires. He was born here and started his business in this country.

Now ,he just built one of the largest refineries in the world ,something those who grew up "perfect environment"would only dream of achieving in their lifetime. If you also look around, you will find other blacks excelling in the continent. Look at our doctors who were trained in this same environment doing wonders outside..

So my friend, stop putting the blame on external circumstances and persons around you.This kind of talk is not too different from what some superstitious people believe. That witches and wizards in their environment is why they struggle to make it in life. There"re those who even believe witches can limit their brain power by hanging it somewhere in a coven. But that's simply not true.There's a proverb here in Africa that says, it's in the presence of witches and wizards a king is born.

External circumstances cannot limit your brain power unless you allow it. And I'm afraid you're allowing it and want to others to allow it too.


Please respond the right way and not sighing . It's disrespectful to be doing that all the time.

jaephoenix:
I'm not being evasive. I have told you I don't know the particular question youre referring to. Please if you have nothing else to say concerning the question , stay off my mention. Thank you

I will gladly stay off your mention since I don't enjoy engaging those who derive pleasure in being dishonest by pretending not to remember the question they reframed and asked in the page before this one.

advanceDNA:
Please sir....u have not answered this question.....how do say an opinion is wrong yet still say you not disagreeing with the opinion??

I have answered you already. I said the sweeping statement you made about black people everywhere was not true. I didn't agree with you and still agreed at the same time.No I never did that. The reason you think I agreed with you is because what I said after rejecting your generalisation about black people everywhere matches what you actually wanted to say.

By the way....My comment was clear that the environment of the black man which is Africa limits his brain power... U said I was wrong....Okay..no problem...i don't have problem with being wrong....

You have just corrected yourself here. You never mentioned Africa in what I responded to . If you did I wouldn't call it generalisation .

..but u ended up saying the same thing that the things in the environment of black man limits him..that many blacks thrive in other environment...Is that not the same thing.... ?? But u seem to be desperately trying to make ur comment different as u started accusing me of generalizing....honestly sir...i dont get you..

You have fixed the problem

How do you expect a black man reading from Jamaica or The US to react to what you said about blacks without you specifying it ?You didn't mention Africa.. Did you? No

If u want to insult me that I don't know the meaning of generalizing and I have difficulty in understanding....that's fine...I accept ur insult

I'm not insulting you. Everything is clearer now . So apologies for the way I responded earlier on. If you had mentioned Africa, then it wouldn't have resulted into this.

Ok then, Blacks in Africa don't have "limited brain power". Your own very words in quotes. I'm rejecting your claim.

The have it in abundance, but underutilized due to limited opportunities available for that to happen.

Moreover the science doesn't support your claim. So how do your arrive at the conclusion about blacks in Africa..

What's brain power. How did you measure it to know who has it more or less?

advanceDNA:
Sir....i don't understand what you playing it

first ...u said was that I was wrong..then u tried to give a counter comment that only sounded like u are agreeing whit what I earlier said about the black man's environment affecting him

Then u started getting defensive that u never disagreed....

Please sir....how do say an opinion is wrong without disagreeing with the opinion??

. U are are playing with words like you are trying to escape something.....i dont get it

I'm not playing at anything.

I said you generalised about black people and their environment and asked you to be specific.
Or you don't know what it means to generalise and because of that you're finding it difficult to understand me?

Apart from the generalisation, I said no evidence whatsoever that blacks anywhere have limited brain power..You said "limited brain power". Your own very words.
You're a black man . Do you accept you have limited brain power ?

jaephoenix:
Bro, this thread is like 7 pages. And I asked several questions here to Aemmyjah(which he ignored, btw), so which one is it?

I'm not Aemmmyjah whom you asked "several questions". The initial question you asked, which I even screenshot , and posted here has been read by you .


And just yesterday on the previous page, you reframed it and I have answered again,yet you want to pretend. You're deceiving yourself, not me.

Being evasive is dishonesty.

advanceDNA:
Sigh

Don't sigh. Communicate if you have anything to say.

Alphamentips:
advanceDNA

you made mention of how I think I know better than theists and all...

One question, why would you want to hold a book written around 200 AD and hasn't been revised for once as a reliable source of info in the 21st century over current information available to everyone online?

And the Bible you know today is not the same as the original Torah. It's doctored and now a political tool. Bro use Google. I'm out

Do you think you know better than "theist and all" who don't subscribe to The Bible?

advanceDNA:
Lol....first u disagree by saying I am wrong about the black man's environment.......then u indirectly agree by listing the problems of the black man's environment that limits his brain power and then further confirm that he thrives outside his environment....

Okay sir..

No I didn't disagree. It's you who can't see your generalisation about blacks. Are blacks only found in Africa?
You said blacks have limited brain power.

And you never specify the environment.

advanceDNA:
Religion is practiced everywhere ....I'm sure uve traveled abroad.....Issac newton was a Christian, many founding fathers of science are strong Catholics, Jews, etc....so why is that it's mostly us Africans that complain religion is preventing us from knowing what is good and developing it.... or we blame the whites that brought it here for using it limit us from developing

... is it not the same bible and Quran they read over there and are still developed? Abi is Saudi and Dubai not a nation??

What u guys don't want to admit is that the black man is limited in brain power mostly because of the "good" environment he's forged in..
....my oga...necessity is the mother of invention.....it's no surprise that the corner of the world that has the harsh snow weather first thought of creating fridge.... it wasn't a thirst for cold water that drove the thinking for this invention...

The bolded isn't true. There's no scientific support whatsoever for your claim.

Poor education ,poverty ,and leadership problems are the major reasons blacks in Africa aren't making much progress.
Outside the continent, blacks are excelling .

jaephoenix:
What was my initial question

You asked it and so should know it.

jaephoenix:
How did I change goalpost?
Please answer the question I asked you

Hehehehe.

You just found a way to escape after so many back- and- forth.

Why did you not ask me exactly the same question you're now asking before this time?


I never explained anything suggesting that the various
forms of oxygen being discussed here aren't of the same element. So , why questioning me about what I never announced to you?


You thought I wanted to challenge or prove you wromg at the very beginning . That was never my intention . I also directed the same explanation to the JW , and I'm sure he later understood me , but you ,no way and now want to turn it into a fight.

My friend. I not here to support the person who wanted to use Oxygen has evidence for spirit. It's not what you think..

Ok then, they're all the same element.

What next? Tell me

I'm waiting

Then I will ask you my own too and hope you reciprocate.

jaephoenix:
All this ramble is useless.
Simple question is. Is liquid/solid oxygen a different element from gaseous?
I kept on telling you they are all oxygen but in different forms but it seems you like hearing yourself talk(or in this case, hearing yourself type)

Hehehe
You have changed the goalpost. SMH

Stick to the original question you asked and stop the pretences.You 're now asking of difference in element and no longer sameness due to quality



You asked, "is it not the same oxygen?
And I have answered that

Oxygen in the atmosphere, gas, is the same as any other, but not exactly the same due to quality differences.

If you find it hard to understand this very easy to understand explanation, then sorry,I can't help you.

jaephoenix:
Question is. Is it not the same oxygen? (albeit different forms)

I have answered you correctly, but you refused to accept my answer and ,that's why we're here.

It's the same Oxygen but not exactly the same kind due to quality differences. One is colourless, tasteless and not visible, while the other forms aren't.

Before I reacted to your comments on this thread,,I saw that you were only focused on proving that Oxygen can be seen with the images you provided of both the liquid and solid forms .You were never concerned about discussing the differences and it was obvious you were conflating the different forms as exactly the same

But when I finally quoted you, I highlighted the difference in quality , and made it clear at the end they're not exactly the same kind of Oxygen.

It was after my explanation, you asked me the question," if it's not the same oxygen"

I have given your the correct answer. If you're rejecting it then please explain how Oxygen in the atmosphere, gas, is exactly the same as the other forms liquid and solid .

The key phrase here is ," exactly the same"

So, please make sure you prove that they're exactly the same in quality .
Thank you

jaephoenix:
So i said the Blue oxygen is the liquid form and that it is the same oxygen but in a different form, how does it negate my point?

Haba! You questioned what I said and not that you made the point you're making now.

You were the one who asked me if it's not the same oxygen after I replied with the water and Ice analogy to show the difference between the liquid and the solid form of oxygen which I said is colourless and not visible to the naked eye.
Can you see Oxygen as gas in the atmosphere with your naked eyes? Certainly not,and that's why they're not the same kind.

I don't understand what you me want to do here.

Do you want me to a accept that it's possible to see oxygen existing as gas because you can see the liquid one? Yes or no

Dangote refinery will roll out petrol by September and sell above a thousand naira with the excuse it's imported crude. If people complain ,which is expected, the government will beg us to be patient and assure us that by October the price will go down substantially.

But by October when the refinery starts to refine local crude , the price will only reduce to a thousand naira or a fraction thereof with Ignorant Nigerians accepting and celebrating it without
complaining because of the hardship they have gone though in the previous month of September when it was sold over 1,k.

I believe the issue of pricing is what has been delaying the company from rolling out petrol The government is afraid of what will happen if Dangote sells above 1k. It will results in serious inflation. Dangote is a ruthless business man who only cares about profit.

"Dangote, Dangote, Dangote still dey find momi" oya

I just hope what I imagined above doesn't materializes,if not it won't be easy.

Look,

jaephoenix:
That is the point I'm making, oga

No. You didn't make any point. You're just making that now.

jaephoenix:
The form/state is different but substance is the same. Thats basically my point. What's your point?

Why then did you challenge me when I said the same thing or have you forgotten so soon how it all started ?

Right from the very begining till now, I have been insisting that since the forms aren't the same they're not exactly the same kind of Oxygen.Liquid oxygen is not the same as Oxygen in gas form. You said no. that they're the same, and that's the reason we got here and now you want to deny your own words?

Go back and read from the begining

Lucifyre:
Both of you are basically on the same page here.

We aren't. The form is not the same as the substance .

The same Oxygen but not exactly the same kind of Oxygen. One is gas, the other is liquid

jaephoenix:
How am I creating confusion?

I'm not talking of the substance or element but the different forms it can take.

The substance is not the same thing as the form, but you insist there's no difference.

jaephoenix:
No, but then its the same agent in different forms. If I wear different clothes everyday it doesn't mean I have changed. Its the same old me

So, what have I been saying?

I said it's the same thing but in different forms. Liquid and solid is not the same please

You're trying to create confusion when you already understood what I meant.

You and the cloth are not the same. So what are you talking about?

jaephoenix:
So is ice not water again? If you allow ice at room temperature, what does it become?

Please don't create confusion. It's the same water but no the same form. Haba!

If you ask your patients to take with water,do you expect them to take ice blocks because it's the same water?

Aemmyjah:
By artificial process right?

Here in Akwa Ibom, people can bake blood and sell and it looks like meat by apperance and by taste.

When we turn water into ice blocks using a fridge,which is artificial process, it doesn't mean the water has become artificial. It's still the same water. If the ice thaws, you get back the same water. It's the same with liquified Oxygen.
You don't understand what you read from chatbot.

I said, you were very correct when you declared that Oxygen is gas which is colourless and invisible to the naked eyes, but I further informed you that when it's subjected to "abnormal pressures" it changes into liquid oxygen . The full description of the process is what you got from chatbot .

So, what are you celebrating here?

LordReed:
You are truly stupid. Did you not see low temperature there? Airhead.

The main process has been summarized for him already; ,Extreme temperature is the main thing that liquefies Oxygen gotten from the atmosphere.

He should have asked the right question to know more. He didn't do that due to ego,but instead he ran to chatbot where he got a more detailed explanation of the same thing already explained,and concluded without understanding what he read that liquified Oxygen is artificial because he saw the expression "artificial process" Just imagine..

Aemmyjah:
At normal st

Wait

Oxygen is visible? Yes or No

When you're ready to be serious, quote me again.

I already answered your previous question and I think that's enough