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wunmi590:
My company perform more better than most company who have been established, I'm the Facility manager of the company, and I supervised the payment of my staff.

My company pay every bonuses you can even think, of, I'm not bragging, majority of the established como at and known company can't, I don't need to be mentioning their names..

Apart from monthly salary that is being paid as at when due, which has never entered into the next month, since 4years I've been in the company, theirs also end of the years profit sharing, and also 13th month salary, with individual hampers that goes round to each staff..

Easter and Ramadan token is also there, with launch token from the CEO every year on her birthday..

How many company can do that....

Either you call it cleaner or Janitor, they serve the same purpose, Janitor is more preferable to alot of people here, to most people doing the work, it is more degradable.

You know a company that double their staff salary doesn't mean you know all the company in Nigeria and how they perform..

If you own a company, you will know what it feels to pay staff salaries

What's the point of all these talk. What's the connection to the minimum wage discussion. You're already deflecting.

I don't claim to know everything. You're the one who claimed to know what's obtainable in every company in Nigeria.

You said no company in Nigeria pays a particular amount to their lowest paid staff and I replied that I know some that pays more .

Please focus on the minimum wage issue if you want to continue the discussion and stop the emotional blackmail of ,if I own a company and pay salaries "

what do you know about me. I haven't questioned or challenged what you're paying in your company. So I don't understand the purpose of this argument you are having with me. Why did you quote me in the first place? You yet the make it clear. Please do so.

Modified. If your company is paying 50k to cleaners, it's ok. I haven't condemned it. So what's your quarrel with me?

abbey621:
Again I will not argue sentiments but facts, you stated your reasons that caused inflation and I provided you with the actual causes and provided examples of countries where illegalities does not exist and yet inflation rose. Whether you believe it or not is your own business!

You have been reacting emotionally yet you say you have been talking facts. I don't have my personal reasons for inflation. It's because you're very ignorant of the other causes of inflation you're calling it my reason. I said inflation in any country is due to a combination of several factors and not minimum wage alone. Minimum wage is the only thing you know hence your senseless arguments.

You want to argue with bullshit sentiments that Nigeria is different hence we should ignore all economic rationale, isn't that comedic and plain ignorant?

. You seem to have forgotten how this all began or don't even understand the economic truth you quoted. I responded to your comment at first, because you said once minimum wage is increased it would lead to traders multiplying the prices of their goods and services and the reason you gave for that is too much money entering the system to chase few goods in the market .I disagreed and said it's only marginal that we experienced at first during Buhari and Jonathan's time and any other increase was due to other factors.That's what I said. The reason Nigerian situation is different is because minimum wage is only paid to about less than 5% of the workforce unlike in other countries where more than 60,%0 receives it. It's because you're ignorant of this fact about minimum wage in Nigeria you and your likes have been arguing blindly that paying 70k minimum wage will result to too much money entering the system. The 70k that was announced is even worth less than the 30k that Buhari approved. It's less than ,,$ 50 . How much can that get you from the market if you want to spend it? You're not thinking this at all.

You said it is not easy to predict human behavior but we are talking about economics here not just human behavior,

Then it's a shame you don't know what economics is. It's human science in case you have forgotten what you were taught in secondary school. Economics truth are arrived at through the study of human behavior.

a country that produces shin shin, relies on 90% imports and allows trillions to be printed and embezzled will not only suffer in the long run but also have real dire short term consequences.

. This is vague irrelevant nonsense that doesn't answer why goods and services must multiply immediately in Nigeria, according to you, once minimum wage is increased. I need support for your minimum wage speculations. You said once workers start receiving minimum wage it would lead to traders multiplying their prices immediately.So tell us, how much was a litre of fuel , a bag of rice before Buhari signed the 30k minimum wage and the prices two to three months
after . That's the only thing that can prove what you're saying. Anything other than that will not be accepted because inflation is not caused by one thing. You also don't even know that the price of petrol in Nigeria is regulated by the NNPC. SMH.

Read what I highlighted above and realize just how dangerous your mentality sounds!

You didn't get highlight anything reasonable. What you have up there is a product of superficial thinking.

Finally you said, "when Buhari increased minimum wage to 30k in March 2019 a loaf of bread sold for 300 still retained its price till December of that same year.", What was the price of bread the following year? Over 40% increase.....So your rationale is that as long as it does not affect prices immediately, it is okay? Even your 300 Naira price is false as price of bread increased to over 400 Naira as of September 2019 in most places outside of Lagos. I don't know what twisted rationale you're playing but guy STOP IT ALREADY

. I never said if it didn't effect prices immediately it's okay. I'm saying minimum wage increase is not the only cause of inflation. You said it's, but cannot prove it. If you insist it's, then tell me why is bread now selling for about 2k? Is it still due to the 30 k Buhari approved years ago. What of fuel? Is it because of the 30k minimum wage? Rice and beans nko?

Do you even realize how clownish you sound? If country go spoil as long as e no spoil immediately it is okay........You're funny

You're the one clowing yourself with your display of ignorance about something you're not too well informed in.

Go and get yourself properly educated on all of the causes of inflation.

Find out the percentage of workers to receive minimum wage in Nigeria and compare it with other countries and then come back to continue the discussion.
I can see that you're very ignorant of so many things .

wunmi590:
I know about the minimum wage..

Nobody company in Nigeria is paying 70k directly to a fresh starter/ entry level Janitor, in such cases, it is being paid to an outsourced company who outsourced the people and they deduct their own share of it before paying the workers..

I'm a facility manager and we employ our janitors directly and pay them 50k entry level and do yearly increament and other end of the year bonus....

You don't know what's happening everywhere in Nigeria. There are some individuals who don't follow the rules and pay what they want to pay to please their workers and make them happy. Such companies will even pay double salaries every December to their workers. I'm sure that doesn't happen where you work.

I personally know of a business owner who doubled the salary of all his workers in October last year when inflation starts to bite, and because of that his lowest paid worker currently earns over 70k.

And what's even 70 k that most of you think is big money? It's not much when you consider the current economic climate.

Modified. You said you know about the minimum wage, but you haven't shown it yet. You talked about a POS attendant receiving minimum wage. That statement is proof you don't really know

But insist If you know then, mention the employers of labour in the private sector that are mandated by law to pay it. Also mention the category workers who are exempted from receiving minimum wage. in Nigeria.

And why you using the word,janitor ,which is North America English and not cleaner, British English?. Is your company located in the US?

abbey621:
Do you want to hear the truth or do you want to continue rambling? I've given you the textbook definition of what causes inflation and adapted it to the Nigerian scenario, I live in a country where the rubbish you wrote about illegality does not exist and yet inflation doubled 2 to 3 years ago to the point they had to drastically reduce the money in circulation by raising interest rates and removing some government benefits.
I'm not going to go back and forth with you arguing nonsenstical what ifs and whatabouts! I've provided you the definition, agree or disagree that's your business not mine.....PEACE!

Yes. Textbook definition which I said is not incorrect ,is why you far removed from reality and fantasizing about what will happen with the new minimum wage.

FYI, Economics theory and principles are imprecise and doesn't always apply in real life because economics is human science not natural sciences that's very exact . It's not easy to predict human behavior. So my friend, you don't know the truth about what you think you know.

Using events that transpired in another country with a different set of circumstances and people to interpret the unique Nigerian situation is enough reason for me to discontinue the discussion with you. It shows you're not thinking it very well but just regurgitating what you Googled somewhere online.

The data you presented captured what happened over a long period time, (years and not months) yet you want the public to believe your lies that in the coming months once the government starts paying the new minimum wage, prices of goods and services prices will automatically "multiply". When Buhari increased minimum wage to 30k in March 2019 a loaf of bread sold for 300 still retained its price till December of that same year. It was the same for fuel which the government regulates. So what are you talking about?

I repeat, you have a mono - causal explanation for inflation, minimum wage, and you just further confirmed it with your latest reply.

Good day.

Modified. 70 k minimum wage increase is nothing. You think it's enough
to cause inflation because you're blinded by its nominal value. What can it get you in the market these days as compared to before ? Nothing much.

abbey621:
Inflation is primarily caused by excess money in circulation leading to high level demand with low level of supply. country like Nigeria that relies on 90% imported goods is fighting against multiple types of inflation. The more we import the weaker the Naira gets and that leads to astronomical prices of goods and services.

Your statement above is wrong and the evidence is simple:

In 2011, minimum wage went from 5,500 to 18,000, cost of building supplies, petrol and other imported products rose between 20 to 40%. In 2019, minimum wage went from 18,000 to 30,0000 and we witnessed even worse inflation, from 50% to as much as 200%. I know this because I built my first house in 2017 costing less than 80 million Naira and in 2021 when I wanted to build my second house with the same style and materials, the total cost was over 150 million.

Now we want to go from 30,000 to 70,000 and we expect just a marginal increase in goods and services.....NO BE JUJU BE THAT?

No.
It's not completely true that inflation is caused by excess money in circulation. The correct thing to say, is that it's caused by excess money in circulation gotten from illegal means spent recklessly and consistently on goods and services to push their prices up . Most people who earn their money legitimately would hardly spend it anyhow. So I don't expect Nigerian workers who are going through pain and suffering during this period to be so foolish to go on a sending spree once they start earning the new minimum wage in the coming months .

The data you presented shows you have a mono - causal explanation for inflation. It's not
good enough to convince me or anyone else who's well informed about all the other factors which usually combine to cause inflation at any given time For instance , the cost of petrol recently went
up from 220 a litre to about 600 to 750. What's the cause? Minimum wage or government policy

Except you're saying that during those period ,other factors which can also contribute to inflation took a break to allow for minimum wage increase to do havoc, you haven't presented any reasonable argument.

Or is it that if minimum wage wasn't increased, prices of goods and services would have remained stable from those years to now?



I'm not saying there won't be an increase in the prices of some goods and services after minimum wage,but it only will be marginal like before, and not enough to cause hyperinflation.

FYI, minimum wage increase also has its benefits. It would help to stimulate the Nigerian economy that's almost going comatose . Businesses are already folding up everywhere or have reduced production due to low patronage . No money in the hands of their regular customers to buy from them as before. So, how do you expect them to stay in business and continue to produce with the current high cost of production in the country?

BTW how many business owners pay the exact minimum wage in Nigeria? Only a few. If not for wickedness, why should business owners in Nigeria who are exempted from law to pay it want to increase the price of the goods and services they offer to the public immediately after

PJtech:
Stop confusing people.. If min wage is 70k not everyone will earn 70k
.only level 1 government workers will earn that amount. There are some government workers that will earn more than 1m monthly

Most secondary school teachers will earn atleast 250k monthly

But we should expect price of goods and foodstuff to multiply if that happens... So the min wage is useless

Not true that prices of goods and services will multiply everywhere. This not the first time minimum wage has been increased in Nigeria and each in the past,it was only marginal increase in some goods and services that resulted from it.

If you disagree with what I just explained then provided data from the past in support of your wild speculations about what you expect to happen.

Inflation is caused by a combination of factors, not minimum wage alone.

wunmi590:
So because you don't have, you expect people that have to start paying their janitors 70k monthly and also pay a POS attendant 70k per month ba

Some companies in Nigeria are paying more than 70k to their janitors.

Minimum wage is not for everyone in the private sector. That's what's contained in the minimum wage act in Nigeria. So POS agents aren't part of it.

Please Google the minimum wage act and read section 3 to get further details.

Love800:
I want to understand something.
So if one have more than 25 staff, does it mean its a big company or organisation?

I'm not talking about size,but the number of staff in a private company's payroll which the Nigerian law says must be considered before minimum wage is paid .

The number of staff may not determine if a company is "big" , but it sometimes does.

ekanx27:
Will the civil servants receive the minimum wage in this July salary? Will the state agree to pay their civil servants for this month of July the already implemented minimum wage or they will give stories and slash it later

No. It's yet to be signed into law.

Ijaya123:
When you consider how many outlets petrol stations have, you will know that they have well over 25 staffs.

What you're saying now is not the same thing you said before. You just shifted the goal post

There's a difference between a petroleum marketer having several outlets and the one having just one. You said ,"A Petrol station " in your initial comment.

FYI those in the oil and gas are not part of those paying minimum wage. Workers there are paid differently. Minimum wage doesn't concern them .

GoodGovernance:
You are the culprit here.

His argument is for the village school that is qualified and mandated to pay minimum wage.

Or you think all village schools have less than 25 staff members?

Hehehe, culprit. Don't use a word whose meaning you don't understand.

The person you're defending said something you failed to grasp .He said private schools in villages with" how many students and staff "

How many of such private schools in the villages have more than 25 teachers?

seborrhic:
They talk and act like fools most times.
Close down.They think the companies would manufacture money from the air.
Even the old wage many private companies cannot afford because business has generally been depressed,high cost,low sales.
It's mainly financial institutions,oil companies,servicing companies,construction companies,big and multinational companies that can afford to pay.
Even at that,some may have to lay off workers to pay.
Some people naively think minimum wage means the lowest paid worker will earn the 70k and others will earn the higher wages they were earning before.
It doesn't work that way;there will be a general salary increase from the lowest to the oga at the top to reflect salarity disparity and years in the workforce,at different percentage increases.
There is no doubt wage has to increase,but how does it reflect in the private sector,especially medium to small scale businesses.Unfortnately it won't.
I hope we don't see another Udoji salary increase calamity because babablublu has so far shown that he doesn't think we'll or have the capacity to think through actions before making rash and calamitous pronouncements.

You don't know the law. Medium and small scale businesses in Nigeria don't bother themselves with minimum wage because close to 90% or more of them have not employed the required number of staff which mandates them to pay it. The few ones who have employed more than the required number, which is ,25, usually hide the truth and don't pay .

The large scale businesses that are capable of paying minimum wage are already paying above minimum wage. Nearly all of them have increased the salaries of their staff without waiting for minimum wage announcement.

The only group that fully benefits from minimum wage in Nigeria are those in the public sector, civil servants.

helinues:
That one is expected. Not all the private sectors would be able to afford the N70k as minimum wage.

The private schools in the village with how many students or staff?

Things we could have discussed earlier and find solutions to, we would rather be engaging in petty discussions.

https://www.nairaland.com/8119110/why-cant-fg-state-private

Another senseless talk from you again.

Despite the fact you have been informed by others here that minimum wage is not for every employer of labour in the private sector, you still want to mislead the public with misinformation.
If you don't have 25 staff and above in your payroll as a private employer of labour, you're exempted.

So , the private schools in your village with less than that number of staff is not part of it.

Ijaya123:
You expect a petrol station to pay 70k to their attendants?

Most of you are not realistic in your expectations on this issue of minimum wage.

Did you read what he said before replying?
He mentioned 25 staff and above. How many petrol station in Nigeria has that number of staff?

femi4:
I was almost going to ignore your level of illiteracy, inarticulated submission and repetitive opinion until I got to the bolded.

Nigeria has the largest annual egg production and second largest chicken population in Africa.

I still have the "Ghana must go bags that your forefathers used to pack their clothes in the 70s back to Ghana. Imagine, leaving eggs behind to come here for greener pasture

References:

FAO 2019. The future of livestock in Nigeria. Opportunities and challenges in the face of uncertainty. FAO, Rome, Italy.
Heise et.al. 2015. The poultry market in Nigeria: Market structures and potential for investment in the market. International Food and Agribusiness Management Review 18: 197-222.
LSMS Survey.
PAN 2017. History of the poultry association of Nigeria. Poultry Association of Nigeria, Abuja.

First of all I'm a Nigerian by birth and grew up here. My late mother who I said was Ghanaian was half Nigeria too .Her late mother was Yoruba, not just your ordinary yoruba family, but an illustrious one. .So shut up an face the issue at hand.

I didn't say Ghana has the largest pouiry market in Africa. I said readily available and cheap in that country. If you don't understand what that means,then get yourself some proper education .

If it continues to shock you that some people are combining egusi and eggs , then it means you're not thinking at all ,but just reacting like a programmed bot..

The only thing you have in your empty head is name calling and insults. Nothing else.


So sorry I'm no longer interested in conversing with someone who is devoid of critical faculty

God day and continue to enjoy your "eggless" egusi soup.

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ExudeLoveToAll:
Did I tell you I know you every Nigerian? I said I have never seen any Nigerian from childhood to adulthood that has done that what didn't you get there?

You are really far from comprehension, the topic of discussion here is using egg as a protein in eguisi soup and not adding egg to an already made soup because the protein desired isn't available or the person knows the nutritional value of egg which he then willingly brings in. Even this scenario you have created have you seen anyone doing it in Nigeria? Or what is the percentage of those doing it? It's not a norm here and there is no reason to bring hypocrisy. You can only bring hypocrisy when something is done and you talk about it when others do that is my point exactly.

Nigerians eat egg but there is but not in that combination discussed about, there are some countries that do that , that's why Ghana was mentioned but couldn't comprehend that hypocrisy when there isn't any one in the first place.

It's better to comprehend before responding to comments, I didn't say anywhere about nutritional value of egg and how eggs will disappear into equisi when one cooks with it I only debunked the assertion that the Nigerians who aired there opinion did so not out of been a hypocrite.

Hypocrisy, hypocrisy hypocrisy. Comprehension comprehension comprehension. What are you trying to say? oga

I have seen lots of Nigerians eating eggs with egusi soup and there's nothing wrong with it. If you haven't come across such persons then it means you're stuck within particular location with few circle of friends.

blowjohn:
They were in bits!

Hehehe.

Yes , the meat"were in bits" for easy chewing.Some people prefer it that way, while other prefer to use large chunks of meat in their soups without cutting it into smaller bits . What of the fish and the other assorted meat in the soup? Go back and read again.
The egg was not cooked together with the soup. Look at the image of the egg again ,you will noticed it's white, meaning it was boiled separately and added the bowl of soup dished out to the Asian.Nobody cooks egusi soup with eggs. It's boiled separately and added.

descarado:
Let us hear abeg. All west Africans make egusi soup their own ways. Maybe you guys think it's only Ghana and Nigerian soup. The same way we claim jollof rice yet the country it came from don't make noise about it or fried rice.

So what's difference between what I said and what you're saying now?

femi4:
Lolz
See how you go about every page defending the combination. That should tell you that you are missing the point.

I'm not defending the combination on every page. I haven't insisted everyone must put eggs in their egusi soup. I said it's matter of choice if you want to. You're the one who has been blindly defending your primitive cultural practices which makes you believe it's wrong to add eggs to plate of egusi soup .

Now, let me school you about what culture shock is all about. Its not about RIGHT or WRONG, it's about how people do certain things differently from where you were coming from.

Some examples of culture shock include feeling surprised by differences in language, culture, climate, food, as well as the differences in systems that are in place in different countries

e.g. In some countries people actually use their left hand to pass on anything

Two fingers in the air is a form of insult in Scotland

How does culture shock makes eating of eggs with egusi soup a bad thing or unhealthy?

You want to lecture me on something you don't fully understand using what you Googled online .SMH.

The shock you are experiencing about others eating eggs and egusi is subjective . There's nothing objectively wrong about the food combination .The Asian enjoyed the meal and didn't express any culture shock and that's because he isn't programmed to react like you. Your superstitious beliefs about using eggs with egusi is what's working against you,

In Ghana ,eggs and other poultry products are readily available and very cheap when compared to Nigeria, and that's why, it's not uncommon to find some ghanaians adding it to their every meal. It has nothing to do with any culture as you think. You should be asking questions to know the truth about what others are doing elsewhere and don't conclude hastily based on what you think

femi4:
Go and read about culture shock

Some Nigerians don't see anything wrong in adding eggs to a plate of egusi soup that also contain lots of meats and fish. I do that sometimes and I know of so many others who do the same.

If you don't like it, then the problem ,I'm afraid is you and nothing to do with the food combination of egusi soup and eggs or any culture shock.

You will start to make sense if you can mention the health disadvantages of egusi soup and eggs

ExudeLoveToAll:
Which one be hypocrisy? Since I was born I have never seen a Nigerian eating Equis that the protein inside it is an egg, have you seen? Why bring in hypocrisy when the probability of what they talk about is closer to 1 than 0.

So you know every Nigerian who eat egusi in their private homes ," since you were born"?

There's a difference between cooking egusi soup together with eggs and adding it after it has been dished out in a plate . Nobody does the former . Some persons who are well informed about the health benefits of eating eggs don't see anything wrong in adding eggs to a plate of egusi soup that also contain meats and fish.

BTW If you cook egusi with eggs , you won't find much of it after you're done. So what are you talking about?

femi4:
You are missing the point. We know the health benefits of egg

We are only familiar with combinations like

Rice n egg
Noodles n egg
Yam n egg
Bread n egg
Plantain n egg

But swallow n egg......e no enter

Our forefathers ate swallow with bush meat/ any meat or fish in the sea. We grew up and got wired that way

You're not used to it doesn't mean it's wrong to add eggs to egusi soup if you want to. I can only listen to you if you mention the health disadvantages of adding eggs to it.

The egusi soup given to the Asian also contained meats and fish. But you're you all ignoring that to focus only on the egg as if that's the only thing it contains.

Nigerians from the south south have no qualms in adding eggs to egusi soups.

blowjohn:
What's wrong with it
Meat instead of eggs pls

Did you read the op at all? Go back and read it again

There are meats and fish in the soup. It's not only egg

Artscollection:
Idiomatic expression!! Stomach upset oga, already egusi is a time bomb.

Maybe your own stomach.

The Asian didn't report any stomach upset after eating it nor
found it strange having an egg added to it But nearly everyone here on this thread is saying it's wrong to add eggs to egusi soup without providing any valid health reason why it's a wrong combination.


Most Nigerians who reject eggs in egusi soup are from parts of the country where it's added to it as sacrificed to ancestors.

femi4:
No wonder

It's a strange combination to a FULL Nigerian. We ain't wired that way

You're wired by superstition beliefs about eggs in egusi soup. Lots of Nigerians who know the health benefits of having eggs in their meal are using it in their soups or stew .I know because I was born in Nigeria and grew up here .

Artscollection:
If you try this in igbo land you will be ostracized by umunna. Egg n egusi equals to time bomb!

ok , I understand now. The reason most of you here are against eggs in egusi soup is due to superstitious belief you have about using eggs.

femi4:
We don't roll like that

You're talking to a half Ghanaian. So?

blowjohn:
But why put boiled egg inside egusi.
U dey mad ni ??

What's wrong with it?

femi4:
They were right, only Ghanaians use egg to eat swallow

It's not true that "only Ghanaian use egg to eat swallow". Nigerians do the same.

Tellmeastory:
I don’t know why Ghana people like putting egg in everything.

I doubt if the one given to the Asian was prepared by a Ghanaian . Ghana egusi soup is almost watery not thick ,and that's how they prefer it.

Paraman:
He can do it if he's determined to

Security agencies should also go after the people buying from oil bunkers

The " security agencies"are also part of the buyers and sellers.

So ,what you're really asking here is that they should go after themselves , which is not possible.

Chetas81:
WHERE IS THE TOMPOLO AND HIS MEN GUARDING THE PIPELINE

What do you want Tompolo and his men to do when the military that's supposed to work in synergy with them to tackle the problem are collaborating with oil thieves .

Or you expect Tompolo to arrest soldiers providing escort for the numerous vessels used in transporting stolen crude ?