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onumadu:
The bolded is exactly why I opened this thread.

There are lots of people who experience these phenomenon, and what I found out has been that getting rid of them is exceedingly hard.
I guess that getting rid of them should start from first establishing that they are actually there to begin with, rather than a figment of mental imaginations.

I would share my own experience with the phenomenon next.
I had wanted to wait till an authority (a truly informed person - a spiritualist) addresses it, but WTH...

The reason it's difficult to get rid of it is because the problem is not there .
In other words ,there's no spirit spouse responsible for problems anyone is facing .
It's wrong belief . And until that is eradicated from the mind ,nothing changes for the person who has erroneously attributed their problems to that.

Apart from we Africans, who believe in spirit spouse and now exporting the idea beyond the shores of the continent, no where else is it accepted or known that such a thing exist .


What I already explained before now about the belief is exactly what it's

Anyone coming to tell you otherwise ,is either benefitting from the scam and doesn't want you to know the truth or is clueless about the whole thing .

Not everyone who claims to be a spiritualist is truly knowledgeable in such matters .

The concept of spirit husband and wife, which has infiltrated Christianity in Africa and is being used by some Pentecostal pastors in Nigeria and other parts of Africa to scam their gullible followers , is from traditional African religion.


No where in the Bible is the idea mentioned or even hinted at, yet it's one of the major subject of discussion amongs Pentecostal Christians who are not even aware of where the notion of a spirit spouse has emanated from

By believing in such a thing, they have unknowingly accepted a belief that's antithetical to their religion . Spirit spouse is tied to reincarnation.

Within the circle of those who originally hold on to the idea, ATR, practitioners , it's believed that there's a corresponding inner world or spiritual world where people go to once they depart from this physical one through death .

According to them ,the other world contains everything that you find here .

There are houses ,markets ,farms ,animals ,humans ,male and female you can marry and have children with .

And after spending some time there , one may choose to return, reincarnate , back to this physical world.

If the returning person is already married over there , he or she must remain faithful by not getting married here .

Any attempt to get married ,will result in problems for both the person and the intending partner .The only way out is to appease the spirit spouse without which nothing happens .

This is the summary of the idea of a spirit spouse amongs ATR practitioners . If you want to know more, meet with them , and not pastors who have reworked the concept like an old tune and now singing it heartily in churches in order to fleece their members of their hard earned money.

I pity the ladies more . They are the ones falling easy victims in churches and elswhere because of the desperation to get married..

Spirit spouse is superstitious belief .Things don't change after any deliverance or rituals .

Well, I'm speaking from the many things I have seen both in the village and in the cities

I know of some persons who have gone through the necessary rituals or deliverance meant to free them from the so call spirit spouse but nothing has changed .

Osimhen should only listen to professional advice and not those hangers-on who are more concern with their stomach

stanluiz:
Create a thread about it.

The mod will move it to front page.

I don't need to create another thread .
This thread is misinformation

pandoragirigory:
https://punchng.com/just-in-acourt-sacks-abure-affirms-apapa-as-lp-national-chairman/

You missed the below

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2023/08/lp-crisis-abure-apapa-clash-over-imo-appela-court-ruling/amp/

LordReed:
Deceive who? You? What would that accomplish for me? Bwahahahahahaha!

LoLz! Your saltiness doesn't move me. I have provided you what you asked, if you have questions ask them, I won't be indulging you in repeating what should be clear to someone with secondary school education.

, You can remain unmoved like an Egyptian mummy by what you imagined is 'your saltiness " Its doesn't concern me.,and it's your opinion . You didn give me what I asked for . I want your thoughts on the matter first.

I believe I asked a human being a question .

What's the difference between chatting with a bot and copying and pasting something for me to read, without further explanations

I have data to search for myself .

Besides, what you brought , I have sent it before and even more than that.


The normal thing to do , which everyone does here ,except some few , is to share your thoughts first on the matter to show you understand very well what you are explaining , and then support it with other mateials from the net .

Maynman copy and paste things
regularly from wiki,,but usually gives it a dfferent interpretation nearly everytime.

The definition of agnosticism he got from somewhere is being interpreted waywardly by him to suggest agnostics are people who believe in a god . Have you not seen that ?

Go through the thread and see how he highlighted 'believes' ,ignored the further explanations, and then use it to claim another thing to troll.

I'm not saying you are the same.
But clear my doubts .That's all .I don't want to waste my time anymore here chatting with people who don't understand the topic under discussion . It doesn't always end well .

In any case , That's past . No more interested . Thank you .

Goodnight .

jaephoenix:
You still have a pending question from me. What was I pretending to be? Till you answer that you're a fraud and a biatch

I owe you nothing .

You can continue to whine like a puppy .

Next time don't bite more than what you can chew . You will choke on it .

Lol

I'm sure theists, who might be following this thread and the other one secretly , are happy the "devil has set confusion in the camp of the enemy ,

All their enemies are now camped here to fight one another leaving them alone .

I pray it continues.

Amen

Maynman:
I am not like your father, go and ask him.

What’s the business of “buddism” with a creator or god?
Where did they believe any being was responsible for the world?

Don’t go empty oo.

Bring evidence of what you claim I said , or shut up and go take your medications

Maynman:
It is better to go on Wikipedia than assuming jargons from my ass and saying “buddism” believes in “god” but not external 😂😂

An agnostic that does not know what “god” means, you are sha Agnostic

Are you about to have another relaspe?

Bring where I said buddist believe in a god, or go take your medications quicky .

Workch:
How is agnosticism a joke?

Don't bother to ask him

He doesn't know what it means.

Even the atheist label he has given himself ,he cannot explain it clearly without running to Wikipedia like his friends .

LordReed:
Dude. Are you OK? Have actually looked at the meaning of disbelief or are just going off half cocked as usual.

Then you are completely off or trying to play a deceptive game

Who is talking of disbelief alone ?

'I neither believe nor disbelieve ' is mentioned together to decribe something ,but you were comparing it to another thing that is completely different .

You don't know this at all .

I can see you don't like having your own bitter medicine which you like giving others .

I like it very much you are complaining .Lol

Next time discuss what you know and stop casting innuedoes at others for something they have said you barely understand .

I was the one who talked about ,"neither believing nor disbelieving" so don't come to ask me ,' where did I mention you '

And again , the terms ,lack of belief ,disbelief, and even lack of faith are all synonyms which describe the same thing ,atheism .

If you think otherwise, put your lack of belief in context and let me show you it can be replaced with the others .


Describes your lack of belief in a god using clear simple terms so others see what it really means to have a lack of belief in a god ,

Keep your copy and paste from Google . Let's see what you know .

Workch:
So in your book:

Lack of belief does not mean "disbelief"?

Let's know where your problem lies 😂

Just imagine the talk

The prefix -dis before belief means ,not ,a negation ,

So, the word ,disbelief it's the same with the phrase lack of belief.

Leave Reed . He wants to confuse you because he is stuck .

He is the same person in the other thread who wanted to mock with

The half statement ,

"I don't believe '

With the full one ,


'I neither believe nor disbelieve '

He wanted to play some mental abracadabra ,but he failed woefully

LordReed:
LoLz. As in, seriously. They are just dancing around in some semantic gymnastics. Imagine someone saying "I don't believe" is not the same as "I neither believe nor disbelieve". I am just LMFAO.

jaephoenix:
1. Bro, if you can read properly I wrote generally about some patients, I wasnt specific about any. Some psychiatric cases are neurotic like anxiety disorders, you simply manage them. Some that are psychotic, you give antipsych and refer. Did I tell you the particular diagnosis? So why are you so sure I should have referred them? Are you daft?
2. Again, you're crazier by the second. When did I say psychosis is restricted to religious folks? I simply talked about the thought and hallucinatory contents of the religious folks.
3. [b]So what am I pretending to be, dear sire? [/b]Please I need you to answer this lemme prove you to be an ignorant liar
4. I dont care if you think am a physician or not. I really don't a dangling fuckc. Lol. Post my address in a faceless and public forum? Are you nuts? Why dont you post yours? I'll come myself and meet you
5. Atheists commit suicide. Theists commit suicide. And stop picking your data from ignoramuses like you. Visit scientific or in this case, medical journals or sites.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7310534/

You have really been triggered and now in your element . All your swear words and name calling are evidences of your frustration.
Next time don't quote me if you are not ready for serious discussion.

You were calling me out that I refused to answer your question ,and since I answered , nothing reasonable as come out it , but your usual empty and wayward talk .

In any case ,I have given you a vital info . Atheist have a suicide problem whether you believe it or not . There is an explanation why it's so. Go learn about it .

Prevention they say, is better than cure.

Other informed atheist are aware of the problem , and creating awareness with practical steps to deal with it.
But you are here on Nairaland living in denial .

You are a new atheist convert hence the noises . By the time your atheism is tested ,you will learn the real truth about the world you live in ;it's not a brick solid universe as you think

After then ,you will change your behaviour and maybe move on from atheism into another thing,and then start to respect to other people .


The article you reference is saying a different thing and doesn't directly deal with the problem atheist are facing .
So I wonder why you brought it.

You went searching for anything to support what you want to believe .

Goodluck . I wish you well not suicide .

jaephoenix:
1. Bro, if you can read properly I wrote generally about some patients, I wasnt specific about any. Some psychiatric cases are neurotic like anxiety disorders, you simply manage them. Some that are psychotic, you give antipsych and refer. Did I tell you the particular diagnosis? So why are you so sure I should have referred them? Are you daft?
2. Again, you're crazier by the second. When did I say psychosis is restricted to religious folks? I simply talked about the thought and hallucinatory contents of the religious folks.
3. [b]So what am I pretending to be, dear sire? [/b]Please I need you to answer this lemme prove you to be an ignorant liar
4. I dont care if you think am a physician or not. I really don't a dangling fuckc. Lol. Post my address in a faceless and public forum? Are you nuts? Why dont you post yours? I'll come myself and meet you
5. Atheists commit suicide. Theists commit suicide. And stop picking your data from ignoramuses like you. Visit scientific or in this case, medical journals or sites.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7310534/

You really have been triggered and now in your element . All your swear words and name calling are evidences of your frustration.
Next time don't quote me if you are not ready for serious discussion.

You were calling me out that I refused to answer your question ,and since I answered , nothing reasonable as come out it , but your usual empty and wayward talk .

In any case ,I have given you a vital info . Atheist have a suicide problem whether you believe it or not . There is an explanation why it's so. Go learn about it .

Prevention is better than cure so they say .

Other informed atheist are aware of the problem , and creating awareness with taking practical steps to deal with it.
But you are here on Nairaland living in denial .

The article you reference is saying a different thing and doesn't directly deal with the problem atheist are facing .
So I wonder why you brought it.

You went searching for anything to support what you want to believe .

Goodluck . I wish you well not suicide .

jaephoenix:
4. You also have no idea how medical referral system works. Any doctor or physician can manage any case(and I mean any case). You only refer to specialists or consultants where you feel you have exhausted your knowledge. That's why we spent 6 years or more in the first medical degree called MBBS(in this part of the world) which means Bachelor or Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery. My school call it MBBCh. So yes, I can see psychiatric cases that present to me before referral. In highly advanced medical countries like the US etc, psychiatric cases quickly present to psychiatrists as a first call. This is unlike poorly resourced countries like ours.
And yes, I can develop interest in psychiatry without being a psychiatrist. It simply means I have more knowledge of psychiatric cases. And no, I'm not a psychiatrist, and I have never called myself one, either here or anywhere. If you have any evidence of me doing otherwise, do present it, or shut that stinking ignorant piehole of yours.
5. Lol. There is so much Google can help especially in a highly rarefied and specialized field like medicine. Google may even give you wrong data. So you can go suck a dicck or something. Ah, yes, I don't talk like a doctor. Actually you aint the first to say it, nor probably the last: the internet is littered with dimwits like you that don't know doctors are more or less like regular folks. There's no special 'doctor speak'.
6. About atheism and suicides all I would tell you is you're a prime clown. Are those Muslim extremists that blow themselves to bits atheists?

Then why not be clear about what you do . Everything ended with you in that post of yours . You never talked of referral. Go back and read what you wrote . You liar .

You also wanted to create the false narrative that only religious people are prone to seeing things because of their beliefs .
What of the irreligious who come to you ?

Why no mention of them ?

Go sleep . You know nothing

I said ,you are pretending to be what you are not . I never said you were a mental health practitioner .You can never be that .

And I still doubt you are any kind of doctor . I have friends who are medical doctors both in Nigeria and overseas .

You don't come close at all when I compare the things they explain to me with some of things you post here .

You are like a ' cut and nail doctor " nothing more .

Place the address of your hospital here let come and confirm for my myself so I shut up.

Your choice of words exposes you . You are more at home with gutter language than the medical terminology those in the medical profesion are known to use all the time .

How can you read medicine for all that period and after the years you have spent practicing ,you still sound like an 'agbero '

You are deceiving yourself .

Modified . Your last comments shows you know nothing . Atheist commiting suicide from mental illnesses is not the same with religious fanatics doing so from indoctrination , and that doesn't happen all the time .

Go do your reaserch and come back to tell me what I said about atheists and suicides is not true . Don't assume .

LordReed:
Check your mentions or go back through the thread you'll see it.

You literally responded to the comment in which I said I was moving towards ignosticism. So you didn't read it before you responded?

I was responding to a particular person not the OP. If you want to get the sense of what I was responding to read that post but basically I was responding to this: "Yet another person wearing a label he cannot differentiate from other labels." Has nothing to do with misunderstanding the agnostic position or mocking it.

I just explain why I skipped it . I thought it was the other person trying to inundate me with is usual nonsense .

Honestly , If I had seen that, I wouldn't continue to question you about it again . It wouldn't make any sense to do so .

Ok Reed .

I have seen it .
I skipped it because I thought it was crazy maynman replying me with is usual copy and paste
But explain the mockery

LordReed:
I literally responded to you with what an agnostic atheist is, why asking the same question again?.

I'm not sure about this .You were evading my questions .

Please show me again where you responded.. I have not seen it. . Maybe you modified your comments to do so . We all do that sometimes so I may have missed it because of that . But I will check .

Tell me how I do not understand the agnostic position or how I am mocking it. Quote what I said that indicates any of the things you are saying.

You below .

LordReed:
LoLz. As in, seriously. They are just dancing around in some semantic gymnastics. Imagine someone saying "I don't believe" is not the same as "I neither believe nor disbelieve". I am just LMFAO.

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Dude I said I am an agnostic atheist, I also said I am moving towards ignosticism. I literally said it in this thread and you can't even quote me right? SMH.

You didn't quote me to say the above so I didn't see it . Is not everything I have read . Of course I would have seen it later but for now no. It's only in the other thread I saw you discuss it with workch, and once or twice in the past you said the same.

Even at that can you explain what you were trying to do with what I reproduce for you above. It's you .
I don't think you would be doing that for any reason since you are leaning towards the same thing .

LordReed:
Can you quote where I said anything about the agnostic position in order for you to infer I misunderstood it?

No ,you are getting this wrong .

I said ,I expected you to understand the agnostic position better since the subset ,agnostic atheist is not far from it .

Ok

What is agnostic atheist ?

You once said you are leaning towards that and you cant do so without some understanding of it .

And if you understand it ,why joining others in the mockery instead of explaining it they way you understand it . You may know it better than the rest of us

LordReed:
Quote where I said anything about the agnostic position.

Agnostic atheist ,not agnostic .

Maynman:
Why are you so concerned over a “like”.
I just showed everyone you are a dullard that doesn’t know what “god” means yet you are agnostic to it.
If we replace “god” with “dragon” and call it a creator and what is responsible for the world will you also be agnostic to it?
That’s exactly what theistic religions are doing, they call yahweh a god, call Hubal a god, they are dummy idols.

And stop spewing what you lack knowledge on, “buddism” has nothing to do with “god”, it takes its roots in hinduism.
I can take you to the intricate of Hinduism, i am not your mate.

Go take your medications .You need it now . I fear a relapse is coming from the way you are sounding now

Oh Reed

I remember you once said you are an agnostic atheist .

What does that even mean?

can you explain in simple terms ?

I expected you to understand the agnostic position better ,but you seem not to at all .
I may be wrong though , hence I want you to explain agnostic atheism .

Maynman:
Why your body hot?
He never said you said it.


Your definition of “god” is a monotheistic one.. and “god” is a title not a person.

To show that you are barren, how can you find evidence against a title?
Don’t you need to tell us the name of this god and his ability to know how to find evidence against it.

Is like me saying find evidence against teacher, you have to tell me which teacher, which god?

U go soon enta market wit all ur misrepresentation of mi..

The person that liked your comment doesn't know what has transpired before so he liked shit .

LordReed:
LoLz. You responded to me first dude. Abeg rest.

No need to fight over this . Agnostics ,atheist or whatever is something anyone can move away from or switch into tomorrow .

LordReed:
LoLz! I am not sure why my response is being seen as an attack. Of course I know you are not the one making the claims.

Where did I say it's an attack?

Show me. You want to push it to me That is what I try to point out
I think you quoted the wrong person . Check again

Maynman:
they don’t call atheists that, they call non-yahweh worshippers that.

When a Christian is abusing those that don’t believe in god, he is talking about his own god, so a Muslim and other non yahweh worshippers are also affected by it. Take note triplechoice.

Stop spewing your ignorance in my face . Take it elsewhere

LordReed:
So no coherent non-ambiguous answer.

I'm not to answer for theist . I did what you should done yourself like I have done before now .

You are making it seem I'm the one making the god claims despite what I explained.

Please don't do this .

LordReed:
LoLz. As in, seriously. They are just dancing around in some semantic gymnastics. Imagine someone saying "I don't believe" is not the same as "I neither believe nor disbelieve". I am just LMFAO.

Not the same . Very surprised by this comment of yours . I should be the one laughing at you .

'Neither ,nor' ,means nothing there .

"Neither John nor Peter is here" ,
equals certainty ,meaning they are definitely not here.

' I don't believe John or Peter is here ' is not certainty . It's possible they might be around .

The key thing here is, 'believe' preceeded by the coordinating conjunction ,'neither ,nor ' which is complete negation of what comes after .

So tell me now ,how is it exactly the same ?




A theist can equally bring exactly the same laughable argument you just brought in to dismiss agnosticism . And they too have done something similar in another thread.

It's certainly not possible for both of you viewing it from the opposite end to have the same perspective

So something is definitely wrong.

And what could that be ?

You are both commiting the mistake of trying to interprete agnosticism strictly from your respective position without making the attempt, even for once , to place yourselves in the position of the agnostic, at the middle , in order to understand how exactly it feels to be one .

Agnosticism is a state of mind and for you to make complete sense of it ,you will need to suspend temporary how you currently think and then try to assume the position to function from that state

That's the only way ,Nothing else would do . Mockery and blind arguments won't help at all. Such antics is symptomatic of someone who is afraid of letting go of what they hold on to as truth .


Reading about it is also not enough . You need to take action and demonstrate it for yourselves .

If you are very critical and continue to be critical of agnosticism ,then it's evidence enough, you don't yet understand it just like theist who also cannot make sense of atheism ,wondering why anyone refuses to believe in a god .It doesn't make sense to them and that's why they call you devil worshippers and confused people.

They just cant just bring themselves to think from your position . If they do so ,then the deconversion process begins . That's all it works .

I can boast of this ,the day you make sense of agnosticism is the day atheism loses its meaning for you .



Don't use your knowledge and experience of atheism or theism to interprete agnosticism and think you will get it .

Learn what it's separately ,if not , you will fail woefully like an ignorant person trying to use their knowledge and experience of English pronunciation to try to pronounce words in French simply because he sees that both language shares exactly the same phonetic symbols . He won't get it at first , and will ridicule himself in the presence of those who know the correct pronunciation .



It's hugely disappointing to read some comments, not to talk of the craziness alongside it from some persons .

LordReed:
More than anything else these discussions on agnosticism has pushed me more towards Ignosticism. What is a god? Does that word have a coherent, non ambiguous answer or is it just another word for bullshìt.

The word,. God or "creator",are descriptive terms which some theist are using to describe what they conclude is responsible for the world we live in .

Others have concluded differently .

For those ones , the universe itself. is its own "creator" .nothing external..

Buddism is one religion holding on to that . They don't believe an external being is responsible for our world .

ReacherSaidNoth:
Yet another person wearing a label he cannot differentiate from other labels. Agnosticism is not fence to isit on between theism and atheism. By saying you believe in some intelligent designer, you are a theist sympathizer like someone rightly said.

Deist best describes him

Negroid001:
That's why it's called Agnosticism. I learn everyday. My head is like a sponge. My views are open to corrections. I'm not rigid like an Atheist or Religious fanatic.
The fact you used a negative word shows your core belief was questioned. The principles i believe in work for me.
I don't give a damn about your beliefs. I even encouraged yours that it inspired me to share my views.

From the things you have said about yourself ,the word. that best describe your current position is deism. ,not agnosticism.

Deist are the ones who are convinced an external creator exist for the world we collectively share together. Agnostics don't hold such conviction yet