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Maynman:
You just keep whining instead of facing the discussion.

Yes you don’t have total control of your mind, where is the mind located in the body?

You have never heard some people say “my mind is driving me crazy”

I didn’t change anything, this is baby food discussion.

You ,not me that has no control over their mind.

Mind is a mental phenomenon, non physical ,that cannot be "located" in a physical space.

You have a mind and everyone has too
https://byjus.com/biology/difference-between-brain-and-mind/

Maynman:
Yes.
It arise from the mind.

Can you think without the mind?
Why do you need it before you can think consciously since not all thoughts arises from the mind.
All thoughts consciously or not arises from the mind.

Open your eye

It's too late now for this.

Thoughts arising from the mind suggests one has no control at all over it.

You have changed the goal post and you know that

Both happens
Thoughts can arise in the mind from a memory of something already stored in it or from consciously creating new ones either through visualisation
or imagination, which results in innovative ideas

Maynman:
It’s you that is changing mouth here and there.

Before you can “think consciously” don’t you need your mind?
Can you “think consciously” without your mind?
Why then is the mind important

The reason you are sane is because of your mind.

This is simple

And again, show me where I said you don't need your mind to think

Hey

Maynman:
Can you think without your mind?

If you need your mind to think, then where do ideas arise from?

Stop changing mouth.

Do you need your mind before you can “consciously visualise or conceptualize”?

You are the one ,not me ,that has changed mouth.

You said "arises from the mind" which doesn't mean thinking consciously.

Explain that first before anything else

Maynman:
Can you think without your mind?

When people say “you are out of your mind” what do they mean?”

can you have ideas without your mind?

What do you mean by "arises from the mind?

Is it the sane as thinking.

Focus on that and don't deflect yet

Maynman:
Who said you said it?

I asked a question “Can you think without your mind?”

When people say “you are out of your mind” what do they mean?”

can you have ideas without your mind?

Then why trying to put words in my mouth about thinking without the mind?

Where did I insist on that here?

@mayman
Let me take you back to where it began.

Me. Where do ideas come from?

You. From the the mind?

Me. Do we do anything to get it from the mind?

You . they "arises from the mind"


So tell me , what do you mean by they "arises from the mind?

is it the same as thinking?

Maynman:
Can you think without your mind?

When people say “you are out of your mind” what do they mean?

Please stop this.

I never said the above

Maynman:
😂😂
You said Where do ideas come from, same you still said people consciously think about something.

You should have framed your question, “where do plans come from”. 😂

You are starting to misrepresent me

I ask you a simple question. If you didn't understand it why didn't you say so before now

Maynman:
What is the shape of a thought and where is it located?

You said a thought that has occur to you. That means the thoughts is not from your own thinking lol
It’s after it occurred to you, you started thinking about it, yet you said one can’t get ideas without thinking.

“without thinking, ideas just arises from the mind?”

Where did I say one can't get ideas without thinking?
You are the one who suggested that with your "arises from the mind

Maynman:
If people can consciously think about something, where then is the “ideas” from? Is it not from their thinking? You answered yourself.
😂😂

So you agree all along that people do something ,thinking, to get ideas and not that they just "arises from the mind"

Or what do you mean by "arises from the mind"?
The same?

Maynman:
What do you mean by this?

That is very clear.
You don't know what a thought is?

Maynman:
Are you talking about thought out ideas that you have planned in your “mind”?

A thought, conception or notion that has occur to you or the ones you deliberately create.
You don't seem to agree that people can consciously visualize or conceptualize something within themselves and then go on to do things to bring it to fruition.

You said they only "arises from the mind", meaning people have no control over anything

Maynman:
It’s wrong phrasing.

Ideas don’t come from anywhere, they arises from the mind.

So what is mind to you?

Your answer will clear something for me

Maynman:
You are not a body, you have a body, exactly, “your head”, “your leg”, “your car”, “your house” “ your mind” “your eye”.
Who owns them?

We are talking about where ideas come from. Let's stick to that first

Maynman:
And if you notice, anytime you think you are only talking to yourself.
And when you are talking, you stop thinking.
You can’t talk and think at the same time.

Talking to yourself is not the same as thinking; rehashing existiing thoughts in your head or generating new ones

Thoughts goes first before talking, either aloud or silently to oneself

Maynman:
This question is even wrong phrasing.
People don’t get ideas from anywhere, they don’t collect it.

It arises from the mind.

So without thinking, ideas just arises from the mind?

Maynman:
You have said 2 things here already.
Who is the “person” that is getting it from the “mind”?

How do “you” get your sight from the eye?
How do “you” get your ideas from the mind?

Who is the you?

This is not relevant now.
I ask you where do people get ideas from?

You replied, from the mind
To get something from somewhere, one needs to do something.

So what can one do ?
Or how do we go about getting ideas 'from the mind?

Maynman:
Where is the mind in the body?

Is this an answer to "how do you get it from the mind ?

Maynman:
From their mind.

How do you get it from the mind ?

Maynman:
You can force your brain to visualise whatever that’s why some people think they have seen jesus or their mystical leaders, but at the end of the day it’s all still imagination.

Where do people get ideas from ?

LordReed:
I wouldn't be surprised to learn they do it in Christian schools but public schools I don't think it would be part of their curriculum.

In America ?
I'm not sure.

It's almost the same curriculum used in both.

I don't think there's any Christian School anywhere that has design something specifically to teach children about gays .

LordReed:
Hold on, you think it is wrong to tell children that being gay is OK but it's OK to tell children being gay is wrong?

Hypocrisy much?

Has it ever been part of any school curriculum to teach children that it's wrong to be gay?

DKM123:
Abeg this is overdoing it and being excessively dramatic. Did she just know that her daughter has graduated? Wetin be this?

Is there a law that says people should not over celebrate ?

IconicR:
Nothing wrong with what she did.

Nothing really wrong .

KnownUnknown:
Lol.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnhum.2014.00070/full

I feel myself moving, or, more accurately, can make myself feel as if I am moving. I know perfectly well that I am not actually moving. There is no duality of body and mind when this happens, not really. In fact, I am hyper-sensitive to my body at that point, because I am concentrating so hard on the sensation of moving. I am the one moving – me – my body. For example, if I ‘spin’ for long enough, I get dizzy. I do not see myself above my body. Rather, my whole body has moved up. I feel it as being above where I know it actually is. I usually also picture myself as moving up in my mind’s eye, but the mind is not substantive. It does not move unless the body does.”

There's no physical movement . You understood her explanation as physical movement, it's simply expansion of consciousness

Modified
Oh oh. I read the article again . The lady experience was not what I thought . It was actually mind stuff . Nothing more. She didn't go anywhere .
But however ,all I talked about the phenomenon is what happens .

I will bring another one .

Sorry fo the mix up

Modified. This is closer to it.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2158244015615919

KnownUnknown:
Lol.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnhum.2014.00070/full

I feel myself moving, or, more accurately, can make myself feel as if I am moving. I know perfectly well that I am not actually moving. There is no duality of body and mind when this happens, not really. In fact, I am hyper-sensitive to my body at that point, because I am concentrating so hard on the sensation of moving. I am the one moving – me – my body. For example, if I ‘spin’ for long enough, I get dizzy. I do not see myself above my body. Rather, my whole body has moved up. I feel it as being above where I know it actually is. I usually also picture myself as moving up in my mind’s eye, but the mind is not substantive. It does not move unless the body does.”

What I explained earlier , and you skipped it
There's no duality of mind and body when consciousness is inhabiting a body . But consciousness itself can expand .

You still don't understand what veridical perception is during OBE.,,and it's the reason my explanations are not clear to you

All that you described about dreaming of China has nothing to do with it .

Your dream of China is just mind trave influenced by memories in your mind . And the mind will only make you see and experience what is already stored in it . It's not a real OBE .

In real OBE , for instance , You dream of seeing a perculiar building you have never seen before , either in pictures or in movies .

And when you travel to china and visit that place in your dream ,you saw exactly the same thing .This is confirmation that what you experienced in your dream was real and not your mind or brain creating it

The brain cannot create this kind of experience to make you see anything that's not stored in it already .

. This is what I'm talking about ,and that's the difference betweeen a real OBE with veridical perception and just dream

Hope this is clear now .

In the experiment ,the lady willed herself to have the experience . The brain did not create anything, but only responded to what she was doing .

The brain did not create what she saw from perceiving things outside her body

You need a real OBE experience to fully understand all of this .

Reading about it from me or anywhere , will only make give you an theoritical understanding of the phenomenon ,and you are already displaying that understanding .

Nothing physical leaves the body ,it's consciousness expanding .

That's the sad reality now

You pick the one you want to pick and ignored the below. You are not interested in the truth

Consciousness is multidimensional. It can at different places at the same time . I said so before in the Mind and Matter thread. This study confirms that

KnownUnknown:
Lol.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnhum.2014.00070/full

I feel myself moving, or, more accurately, can make myself feel as if I am moving. I know perfectly well that I am not actually moving. There is no duality of body and mind when this happens, not really. In fact, I am hyper-sensitive to my body at that point, because I am concentrating so hard on the sensation of moving. I am the one moving – me – my body. For example, if I ‘spin’ for long enough, I get dizzy. I do not see myself above my body. Rather, my whole body has moved up. I feel it as being above where I know it actually is. I usually also picture myself as moving up in my mind’s eye, but the mind is not substantive. It does not move unless the body does.”

Nlo duplicate body moves out of the body.
Consciousness only expands., That's the true description of OBE.. If you move out of it completely, then death to the physical body


Its only in NDE , consciousness starts to gradually move away.. That's why that one is different

The lady was not having an NDE. That's the difference

Morever the fact she can do it at will proves my point