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Fortune118005:
Can you guys please send pictures of the match?

Enjoy

Maynman:
from mind you change am to brain, you now change it to thoughts.

You are lost!

You are the one who created the confusion.
I ask where thoughts come from .
You said mind
And can your mind operate without your brain while occupying a body?

Everything is in order from my end. No lost

Maynman:
What is controlling the brain?

The brain has its own mechanism that controls its functions

Maynman:
Don’t you need your brain to move your legs?
Why is your brain not “involuntarily controlling” your legs to move?
You still have to control your own legs to move why is that not same with your mind?
How come thought comes to you without thinking about it?

You keep contradicting yourself.

And we are talking about mind not brain, keep changing mouth.

This thread has been a very quite place . I don't want to derail it.

For the last time, I'm not changing mouth but telling you that your comparison is completely off.

Legs don't have the mechanisms to either produce thoughts on their own or help us generate any.You don't use your legs to think.

So what are you. comparing

When people talk of controlling their minds, they are actually referring to thoughts,
and not the mental structure or brain which it arises from or can be used to create it.

And one way people can control their thoughts, is by placing their attention elsewhere.

How have you ever tried to control your legs just like your thoughts. Tell me?

And when was the last time you hear anyone saying "I can control legs not to move "

Or maybe you're referring to the "leg" between your legs. Lol

That's the only one I know you struggle to control all the time.

You are the person changing mouth and running away from answering the main question I ask you about visualization.

It's enough now . Let benodic have back his thread.

Maynman:
So between your mind and leg, which one do you have total control over?


How does the mind work?

My legs don't move of their own accord.
So the idea of controlling them is crazy talk

I use them whenever I choose to. This is not the same with brain .

As I type this my brain is involuntarily controlling other organs in my body without me consciously doing anything about it.

My mind ,thoughts, can also trigger other body parts through the brain. Uncontrolled erections you sometimes have .Lol


Not so for legs

Why do you find it difficult to understand this beats me

Maynman:
Legs don’t move on their own because i have control over it.
Like you said thought occur on their own with or without your control.
How can you have stubborn thoughts if you have CONTROL over it?
Who is bringing the stubborn thoughts?
Who is controlling it?

So you see you don’t have total control of your mind.

My comparison is correct.
I have TOTAL control over my LEG, you don’t have TOTAL control over your MIND.
Sometimes your mind do overcome you, how possible

OK. May man's leg is the same as his brain. They function the same way.

His legs sometimes try to move him about and so he has to control it.

Maynman:
That’s because i have total control over my leg.

So you now see that you don’t have total control over your mind?
And sometimes your mind do overcomes you!

How does the mind work?

Legs don't move on their own . You use them to move about
So they idea of controlling them like the brain only exist in your imagination.


Somettimes stubborn thoughts can keep reoccurring in your mind and your struggle to shake them off or exert control
This doesn't happen with legs .They don't ever pull you to move you about



Your comparison is wrong.

Maynman:
Don’t you have control over your them again
That’s not the function of the leg, something is powerful because of their DUTY.

Don’t you have control over your mind/brain the same way you have over your leg?

Does your leg move on its own sometimes?

Mine doesn't

Thoughts occurring in one's head is normal process of how the mind works. The only control you have in such instance is to choose whether to follow through with it or ignore.

But it's not normal when your leg move on its own.

You will need to see a Doctor if that ever happens to you .

Your leg is not the same as your mind/brain

Maynman:
Good, so you agree that you and your mind are 2 different things.
It can do something without your permission.

And sometimes you follow its lead or not 😂

Can your leg do something without your permission?

Your leg is not the same as your mind/brain. The comparison is wrong.

Or does your leg originate thoughts?

Thoughts occurring in your brain is due to how the mind works. It regularly throws up memories of something already stored in it . That's why we remember.

So what are saying?

Maynman:
The mind is abstract, it doesn’t exist, so as your Ego.

I told you to tell me the mental “phenomenon” of the mind, you haven’t, keep changing mouth.

Not so Mayman


What you responded to when summarized, simply means,

If you find yourself in difficulty, or looking for solutions, use your mind to think or visualize a solution first, then follow it up by doing things to make it see the light of day. Most people don't this and because of this are stuck where they are .

The phone you have in your hand right now, existed first as imagination in someone's "head", the, inventor, before it was made manifest.

Infact, every creative invention in the world was achieved through the same.

Honestly yoir comments where off in that instance.

Here again below

Maynman:
That means that list is not correct on the functions of mind and brain.

The mind is the seat of Ego.

Have you noticed that sometimes to ascertain if someone is sane, they first ask that person what his name is?

What do you think a “name” is?

Forget this for now. You are not a professional.

@mayman

Now that you agree you use your mind to think of new ideas, visualize it, how then do you reconcile your response below with what you quoted?

Is it wrong to use one's imagination to create something in the mind and then go on to do things to bring it to fruition.


I couldn't understand the reason behind your comments hence my questions

Maynman:
According to the function you listed there, why do we have mad people?
Don’t they have brain or mind?

, I'm not a mental health practitioner to answer that question correctly.

Even doctors dont have all the answers . So what can a person like me I say?

Maynman:
Same you said thought and notions that occur to you without you thinking about them, same you said you have control over it, how did they occur to you in the first place?

Mind is a mental phenomenon.
Phenomenon means observable facts, how did you observe this phenomenon?

Your picture said nothing, or what is the aim?

Thoughts can occur in your mind from a memory of what is already stored in it, but you choose whether to follow its lead or not

Maynman:
Can you consciously create new thoughts without your mind?
Why do you need your mind before you can consciously do something?

If all thoughts don’t arise from the mind, then you should be able to do without it and get your own thoughts.

Where did I say thoughts dont originate from the mind or you can't create thoughts through it?

You continue to misrepresent me
Why?

Maynman:
You just keep whining instead of facing the discussion.

Yes you don’t have total control of your mind, where is the mind located in the body?

You have never heard some people say “my mind is driving me crazy”

I didn’t change anything, this is baby food discussion.

You ,not me that has no control over their mind.

Mind is a mental phenomenon, non physical ,that cannot be "located" in a physical space.

You have a mind and everyone has too
https://byjus.com/biology/difference-between-brain-and-mind/

Maynman:
Yes.
It arise from the mind.

Can you think without the mind?
Why do you need it before you can think consciously since not all thoughts arises from the mind.
All thoughts consciously or not arises from the mind.

Open your eye

It's too late now for this.

Thoughts arising from the mind suggests one has no control at all over it.

You have changed the goal post and you know that

Both happens
Thoughts can arise in the mind from a memory of something already stored in it or from consciously creating new ones either through visualisation
or imagination, which results in innovative ideas

Maynman:
It’s you that is changing mouth here and there.

Before you can “think consciously” don’t you need your mind?
Can you “think consciously” without your mind?
Why then is the mind important

The reason you are sane is because of your mind.

This is simple

And again, show me where I said you don't need your mind to think

Hey

Maynman:
Can you think without your mind?

If you need your mind to think, then where do ideas arise from?

Stop changing mouth.

Do you need your mind before you can “consciously visualise or conceptualize”?

You are the one ,not me ,that has changed mouth.

You said "arises from the mind" which doesn't mean thinking consciously.

Explain that first before anything else

Maynman:
Can you think without your mind?

When people say “you are out of your mind” what do they mean?”

can you have ideas without your mind?

What do you mean by "arises from the mind?

Is it the sane as thinking.

Focus on that and don't deflect yet

Maynman:
Who said you said it?

I asked a question “Can you think without your mind?”

When people say “you are out of your mind” what do they mean?”

can you have ideas without your mind?

Then why trying to put words in my mouth about thinking without the mind?

Where did I insist on that here?

@mayman
Let me take you back to where it began.

Me. Where do ideas come from?

You. From the the mind?

Me. Do we do anything to get it from the mind?

You . they "arises from the mind"


So tell me , what do you mean by they "arises from the mind?

is it the same as thinking?

Maynman:
Can you think without your mind?

When people say “you are out of your mind” what do they mean?

Please stop this.

I never said the above

Maynman:
😂😂
You said Where do ideas come from, same you still said people consciously think about something.

You should have framed your question, “where do plans come from”. 😂

You are starting to misrepresent me

I ask you a simple question. If you didn't understand it why didn't you say so before now

Maynman:
What is the shape of a thought and where is it located?

You said a thought that has occur to you. That means the thoughts is not from your own thinking lol
It’s after it occurred to you, you started thinking about it, yet you said one can’t get ideas without thinking.

“without thinking, ideas just arises from the mind?”

Where did I say one can't get ideas without thinking?
You are the one who suggested that with your "arises from the mind

Maynman:
If people can consciously think about something, where then is the “ideas” from? Is it not from their thinking? You answered yourself.
😂😂

So you agree all along that people do something ,thinking, to get ideas and not that they just "arises from the mind"

Or what do you mean by "arises from the mind"?
The same?

Maynman:
What do you mean by this?

That is very clear.
You don't know what a thought is?

Maynman:
Are you talking about thought out ideas that you have planned in your “mind”?

A thought, conception or notion that has occur to you or the ones you deliberately create.
You don't seem to agree that people can consciously visualize or conceptualize something within themselves and then go on to do things to bring it to fruition.

You said they only "arises from the mind", meaning people have no control over anything

Maynman:
It’s wrong phrasing.

Ideas don’t come from anywhere, they arises from the mind.

So what is mind to you?

Your answer will clear something for me

Maynman:
You are not a body, you have a body, exactly, “your head”, “your leg”, “your car”, “your house” “ your mind” “your eye”.
Who owns them?

We are talking about where ideas come from. Let's stick to that first

Maynman:
And if you notice, anytime you think you are only talking to yourself.
And when you are talking, you stop thinking.
You can’t talk and think at the same time.

Talking to yourself is not the same as thinking; rehashing existiing thoughts in your head or generating new ones

Thoughts goes first before talking, either aloud or silently to oneself