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onumadu:
How I wish that more people would share their experience of the spirit husband spirit wife phenomena.

A lot of people are suffering in silence because nobody understands them. Some are too embarrassed to even admit that they are battling the problem.

From my own research, the issue is a BIG problem that A LOT of people have, though they don't usually connect it to other problems in their lives: poverty, career failures, infertility (fibroid, PCOS, demoid cysts, ectopic pregnancy, miscarriages) ,infant deaths, dysfunctional sex lives with spouses, inexplicable conflict in the home, untimely deaths, family chaos and lack of cohesion, etc .

They simply ascribe these problems to other culprits, while the real culprit hides under the cover of ignorance and religious dogma. I would never forget what the exorcist in the book I referenced earlier said about people he cast demons out of.
He said he performed the exorcism on even some church leaders who pleaded secrecy.

Unfortunately not everyone is blessed with the gift of dreams, because in dreams you see these things better.

Anyway, let's keep hoping for more real life experience cases.

Knowledge is power.

How does a spirit spouse make one have fibroid ?

And do you know of anyone who had their fibroid melting away ,without medical intervention ,after the spirit was eradicated ?

Well for me ,people should be advised to seek medical help first, before anything else

Most of the problems you listed above can be handled medically because there are rational explanation for them.

The only time I think one should consider 'spiritual', (alternative explanation) , is when it cannot be explained.

onumadu:
Firstly, thanks for sharing your friend's story. It helps to prove one of my suspected theories, which is that we as MAN (or living human) have a LOT of authority over these things, but because we are in the flesh and mostly ignorant, we don't know that fact.
I've had an experience that I would share later.

Having said that, I would not dismiss spirit spouses outright, because the very fact that people don't believe that they exist, gives them IMMENSE power to make mayhem in the lives of people.
In fact, these powers depend on people's denial or being unaware of their existence to thrive and do damage.

Apart from spirits, there are also other "beings" that inhabit what a renowned spiritualist Prof Nathan Uzorma calls "the subtle layer of this realm".
In that "subtle layer", beings can appear PHYSICALLY and disappear at will.
Most times, humans not gifted or trained can NEVER see these beings. But the "initiated" see them easily.
These beings perform PHYSICAL acts on this planet.
And they are not exactly spirits, and neither are they physical beings.
Deep stuff.
I'll share one example next ...

You still don't get my point .

What I reject is the name ,spirit spouse given to it and not that people don't have those experiences .

I say ,spirit spouse is not an accurate description of the entity responsible and I have given reasons .

Having sex with someone doesn't mean they have become your wife automatically . The idea behind spirit spouse is that once you have sex in the dream ,then you have a spirit spouse .

How? Where and when did the marriage take place ?

You are a Christian and so I ask, why not use the word demon instead of spirit spouse which is from traditional African religion tied to reincarnation .

For me ,the word is , negative spirit
or energy entanglement. This, I think ,accurately describes it.

One of my childhood friends who passed away before now ,,may his soul RIP, once shared with me a strange recurring dream he experienced when he was still a bachelor and living alone .

According to him ,he would see himself in a dream having sex with an unkown lady, the same person everytime .It worried him greatly it was the person appearing each time and because of this,he decided to pay close attention to the dream to unravel it.

Whenever she appeared in the dream ,she would go through exactly the same motion of pulling down her pants seducttively to get him aroused ,and the next thing he would see himself on top of her banging away ,unable to stop or resist her until he ejaculated and wakes up from it to find he has soiled his bed with his own semen ..

Wet dream ?

He wouldn't see it as that .

He said he had reasons to suspect that something other than just ordinary wet dream was going behind the scene .


He wasnt practicing sexual repression to trigger that kind of dream experience . He had regular sex whenever he wanted to.

So what could be the cause ? He had no answer and immediate solution and because of this , it got him further depressed that there was something going on in his life he had no control over.

Another thing he told me was that the dream was always leaving him badly debilitated plus the bad mood that came with it.

Then he got an idea on what to do.


And this was what he did .

Every night before going to sleep ,he would affirm to himself that he was going to confront the woman in the dream whenever she showed up .

And so , one fateful night , she came as usual and without wasting time was begining to pull down her pants. But this time around ,my friend said he became conscious in the dream as if in the waking state and remembered what he promised to do .

At first, he pretended he was trying to unbuckle his belt for another round of sex ,but immediately lashed out angrily with ,

"So you have come again ?
'just wait ,let me pull off my trousers first ,

" today I'm going to fug the hell out of you so that next ....."

Before he would finished saying that, she stopped in her tracks and with suprise showing in her face , pulled up her pants quickly ,turned around and ran away.

That was the last time he ever saw her in his dreams . And he became free from the experience .




.Now that I just narrated what my friend went through and how he resolved it , I would like to say this,

I think I have been greatly misunderstood on this thread . I never said people don't have the kind of experience my friend had or dismissed them as imagination .No.

My position is that the explanation of what is responsible is not correct . I prefer the phrase ,negative spirits attachment and not spirit spouse which only mask the problem and makes it seem less than what it's.

That phrase ,spirit spouse, is a misnomer .

Spirits not yet in human form or have dropped a body at death , ( every human being is spirit in a physical body ) no longer possess sexual organs to have sex with anyone . Spirit is made of light energy. What exist is positive or negative energy ,spirits . Sometimes a spirit can be both positive and negative .

So I say, those sex dreams people suspect are caused by whatever are never what it seems . They're just symbolic representation of something going on behind the scene which must be investigated by the person experiencing it . . A negative entity might be using that illusion of having sex with you to vicariously feed on your energy of life force It's not real sex.

In addition , one should be aware that , the mind can create wet dreams to enable one relief sexual tension . That one is not a problem if you have ever experienced it. But unfortunately some person think otherwise . Not every wet dream or sex in a dream is evidence of spirit spouse, demons or whatever .One should learn the difference so one don't jump the gun .

And finally any entity that is impinging on one's free will , should be avoided , with all ties completely severed . There's spiritual deception everywhere . As above so below .


Well ,each one to his own.

My apologies to anyone waiting for what I promised to share

I have been taken away by some engagements .

The story will come later today . Thanks

sonmvayina:
I have shared my story here a while ago..
Well let me say it again...


Well I became conscious of her around 2004 during my NYSC. Before Then I thought it was a wet dream and just shove it aside.
Then when I woke I will be all wet and most times I would be in control and sometimes I would be dominated ....
I thought when I travelled to London it would stop but it didn't, until I met a lady from Trinidad and Tobago, after enough chatting and phone calls for e agreed to meet at my place...but long story short, junior no gree raise, she wondered why after I don talk full ground...next day she gave me some chants and ask me to wake up around 12.35am. I did ..I summoned her..
That's when she actually came "Sophia"..we talked..she was not jealous at all....she gave me the low down of everything ....I thanked her and told her to please allow me enjoy my incarnation. She said it would require for me to give her some stuff..and give up some things. I promised. So we became ally. I asked her why I could not "chop" the lady from Trinidad and Tobago, she said it would have harmed me...if I did,...I thanked her..we just became better aquinted. Since them she has become my ally.

It's obvious your story is missing some vital parts .

How can it be true that the person, the Trinidad and Tobago lady , who helped you to resolve the problem would have harmed you ?

And have you tested Sophia to know if she's not a mischievous entity from the other side masquerading as a spirit wife ?

Yes . That's very possible .I will share a friend's story later and how he resolved the problem .

Sometimes what some persons think is a spirit wife may not be it .

Dem nor born dat "spirit wife" well to come try me. We go fight till day break .

Kobojunkie:
This is all nothing but more bullsheet story telling abeg! I am not in the mood for this.

And you were not telling stories with your responses ?

cococandy:
They encourage men to sleep around because they are “polygamous” and somehow they are shocked that this the result. When there’s no surplus of women to go around, they invariably have to share their women with other men since one is not enough for a real man who is not a “simp”. This is simple math.

The way I can’t even pretend to have any sympathy for a polygamous man who’s affected by this. I hope they all get one or two kids fathered by other men.

The few faithful men are exempt. God help them

Oh!
You're sensible .
But your friend, Kobo wants to drag every man into it even the faithful ones.

But then, if a man or most men are unfaithful to their wives , it's still not an excuse or justification for the behaviour, paternity fraud .

Most women are
even againstt it .

And no where in the world is such a behaviour tolerated , a married woman getting pregnant for another man and then passing it on to her husband who doesn't know anything about it.

No matter the circumstances .It's fraudulent and unwise for any woman to mislead her husband or the person she intends to get married to with something that should not be his responsibility .

This is how I see it.

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Kobojunkie:
1. The fact that you resorted to telling stories already reveals that this is nothing but an attempt by you to over the facts which is that what you observe today comes from faulty cultural foundations.

2. So, these days it is not women stuck in marriages going out to have kids and bringing home babies from their encounters with other men as it was in the past? It is more special or different because it is now legally a crime? Keep telling yourself that nonsense.

Something is not right here .The education you have of your own people is very poor .That's the problem you need to deal with first before you continue to defend nonsense .

There's nothing like faulty foundation causing what we see today . That only exist in your imagination that likes to denigrate anything African .White people also engage in paternity fraud . So tell me ,what's their. foundation?



You ',re conflatimg two different things which are not related in anyway .

A fraudster is always fraudster no matter where they're found You 're in denial by defending such people .

Any woman trying that, paternity fraud , in those days is publicly disgraced around the community and then banished together with the man she has slept with . And that has not stopped in case you care to find out . .

In the past ( even up till now), there were sytems in place to prevent married women from engaging in such behaviour . In some cultures ,the women are placed under a curse or ask to swear to an oath with something connected to a fearsome local deity that they will never cheat on their husbands ,and because of that they never attempt to sleep around .

Get closer home and ask people from your own village to tell you exactly what they do to prevent married women from cheating so you stop spewing toxic waste on Nairaland to pollute everywhere and think you 're making sense .

The African woman of the past was hardly promiscuous unlike these days where anything goes due to the influence of western culture .


Polyandry was not widespread and so using that to generalise is stupid .

Morever , in that arrangement it's the women that marry the men and not the other way round . And it's only in a remote part of Ghana that's happening ,not everywhere.

That's it.

All that you're doing now is talk nonsense and deflect to cover for your initial emotional response to the topic .

Just rest Kobo .

Kobojunkie:
All the broods of the babymama's aren't children? Look, you are approaching this from an angle I am not even concerned with at all. What you call paternity fraud today was accepted norm back during the days of your ancestors. That it is now been made a crime does not remove from the fact that the problem is a result of cultural foundations from the time of your ancestors. So unless you are here to advocate we abandon the ways of your ancestors as well, I ask you don't bore me any further.

SMH
You have shown you don't know the difference between paternity fraud committed by women these days and certain cultural practices of some of your African ancestors in the past and even in the present moment .



No where in Africa was paternity fraud an acceptable practice .If you know of any such places, mention them .


The only instances back then , where a woman was allowed to give a child from another man to her husband , were in cultures that practiced polyandry( parts of Ghana and others, not everywhere ) ,or if the man is impotent ,both husband and wife can agree that the woman meets with another man to get her pregnant .

In both cases ,polyandry or impotency , it's always with the consent of the husband or everyone else involved , and that's not fraud .The husband is always in the know .

But for paternity fraud, these days , the husband knows nothing at all . It's betrayal of trust and wickedness on the part of a woman especially when the man may not be impotent to sleep with another man ,get pregnant and then give it to her husband.

You shouldn't be defending such people if you know what you are doing.

And I'm not boring you .The problem, I see, is that your mind is stuck in the ancient past and because of that you're producing very odd and outlandish arguments to defend what is not right .



Just rest and forget this .

Kobojunkie:
*** Yawn***

You get it now ?

It's paternity fraud and not just a case of men sleeping with other people's wives or girlfriend .

A child is involved in the latter .

Kobojunkie:
So, women open for them means it is all the fault of the women? Like I said before this..... foolishness and stewpidity.

Do you even know what's paternity fraud ?

So if my wife or the girl I intend to marry cheats on me and gets impregnated by another man ,I ,who has no knowledge of what has transpired behind me , should be blamed for it ?

I'm the one who has been cheated on and still being defrauded with a child that's not mine, yet you say it's my fault ?

How ?

mayor1814:
What is mikel on? Drogba deserved it. I'm a Nigerian and I like Mikel, but I'm not influenced by sentiment or emotion. Drogba fully deserved it.

The headline is misleading .

Mikel never said he deserved it ahead of Drogba.

sonmvayina:
I used a ram and some other stuff women want...and I don't have sex with my wife on Sundays...That's how far I could go...

Sophia don relax.....she still helps me and guides me from other side...she is my good ally. I don't see her as an enemy...

So between you and the Christians ,who are certain your Sophia is a demon disturbing you , who is right about her true identity?

If you were a Christian , I'm sure you know you would have been ask to come for deliverance and not appease her with a ram and the other things you didn't mention .

FxMasterz:
Like everyone else who read your mention to him, I was shocked too when I read his response to you.

He has been hurling insults on me since morning.

May God help him.

Triplechoice indeed.

Both of you are jokers . You cannot be a judge in your own case . Others can read and understand better .

Focus on the op and stop derailing .

FxMasterz:
Smiling.

Look inwards.

Many are reading you and making a lot of your personality.

God bless you.

Who are you to judge me or anybody here ?

After derailing the thread ,you want to look for justification for your misbehaviour.

SMH. . Others are also watching you too . Hope you know that ?

FxMasterz:
Bye .

Bye too . Next time try to be a fàir judge .

FxMasterz:
Smiling, I already decided to let you be. On a second thought, I feel that a last comment might help you. I just want to mirror you to your own self. To do that, let me analyse the response of Dtruthspeaker which you have been using to berate me.

He wrote:

"You actually have confirmed my thoughts."

Here, he is saying, I'm thinking along your lines, and I have found confirmation and support in your post.

"You do be live that this experience may be true however you are using an overriding knowledge to settle it. Which is the knowledge of The Law (I hope you know that everytime i say The Law I mean God's Law more commonly known as Natural Law.

Here, he's saying that he thinks you believe that such phenomenon may exist in reality but you're using your superior knowledge of the Word of God to override the occurrence or to nullify such happenings.

"And that Law states that "a person always intends the consequences of his action".

Here, he continues to establish the last statement and further buresses his points by saying that everyone is responsible for his own actions (that means all allusion to demons or spirit spouses are all fallacies). A man is the cause of his own problems. Not demons or spirit spouses. Thereby providing more support for your views.

"So no one can blame any other person but themselves for any ill fortune which be falls them."

Here, he encapsulated all what he has said afore in one paragraph to give more credence to your post. He says it's errornous for anyone to believe in spirit spouses being the cause of his or her life issues. No one should blame anyone including spirit spouses for their ill fortunes.

If after this analysis, you still cannot look onwards and see yourself, then you really need the help of God in your life.

All is well in Jesus name.

Very poor interpretation and one sided .

Why don't you analyse it together with my original comment ,which he responded to, for you to see if he made any sense by responding that way . You' re just desperate t and showing dishonesty to deceive the public.

I said I don't believe at all that the concept of a spirit spouse is true .I said it's superstition. I have no doubt about that , and I made it very clear at the begining .

So tell me how does 'overriding knowledge" fit in here . And what does that even mean .


You have failed if you think you can gaslight me .


Just imagine it's dtruthspeaker of all people you're now defending .

You have come to derail the thread with your negativity and wayward comments.

Before you came, here was very calm but it's no longer the case .

Focus on the op please and leave me alone .

FxMasterz:
Gud would have mercy on you and forgive you in Jesus name.

I don't need the forgiveness of your God .

Ask him to forgive you first for misrepresenting an innocent person who did nothing to you before you started attacking their personality .

If you were not too lazy to read ,you would have gone to search how you thought dtruthspeaker was "defending " me before believing his last statement he was doing so whereas he was actually trying to put words in my mouth despite the fact I made it very clear I don't believe in the concept of a spirit spouse .

Most of you here just jump into other people's on going conversation to talk nonsense without bothering to check what has transpired before that time .

This is Nairaland not your church where your sheepies tremble at your every word .
Respect yourself and you get that back in return.

This is the person you said was defending me . Show me from it how he was doing so

Dtruthspeaker:
You actually have confirmed my thoughts. You do be live that this experience may be true however you are using an overriding knowledge to settle it. Which is the knowledge of The Law (I hope you know that everytime i say The Law I mean God's Law more commonly known as Natural Law.

And that Law states that "a person always intends the consequences of his action". So no one can blame any other person but themselves for any ill fortune which be falls them.

FxMasterz:
The moment I saw how you responded with insults to dtruthspeaker who wrote in your defence, I already knew you are not worth engaging. I should have completely ignored you from the beginning. We're talking about practical life scenarios and experiences, he's talking something else. Is such a person worth engaging? Only God can tell how you are in real life.

Something really must be wrong with you if you think dtruthspeaker was defending me with his ambivalence.

After the jaundiced comments you made about me, you now want to hide your craziness behind him to come out clean as a saint ?

You certainly need to be delivered of the demons pushing you .

Please face your fake deliverance business and forget about me .

I don't deceive people to feed myself and my family . I'm legitimately engaged

onumadu:
You are making the case yourself.
Are there no white Christians?
Better yet, is an atheist a believer in spiritual things?
Of course NOT.
When I said "white people" I meant those among them that believe in spiritual things. Not the atheists.
And yes, they categorize all of such things as "evil spirits".
Incubus and sucubus are called DEMONS in their culture.
In any case, I think the pastor in the house is already doing a better job of explaining these things.
I really want this thread to be useful to people struggling with such things. I know they read these and are following us quietly.
"White people" have Gregorian calendar and other calendar that names the days of the week "Monday, Tuesdays..." etc.
Igbo people have their own traditional calendar that names days of the week "Eke, Orie, Afor ,.." etc.
Different peoples, different names for THE SAME THING: Days of the week.
You understand now?

Ok . Continue. I already see you only want to hear what you want to hear .

The People you think are struggling with it are those who have been deceived that the problems they face in life is due to spirit spouse.

I have not even mentioned half of what I know about the issue or the belief ,and how both traditional juju priest and some pastors and using it to scam people.

I will keep that to my self , and only share it with those who want to know the truth and be truly free.

All they do in your churches in the name of delivering people from it is just make believe. It doesn't eradicate any problem .

The only time anyone should worry is when they see physically, not in a dream , the face of the person coming to have sex with them. That one is not spirit spouse. It's something else.

FxMasterz:
I'm a pastor. I know what I'm saying.

Recently, not more than 3 weeks ago, I delivered a woman from yeye osun's grip.

As a pastor, I have varied spiritual experiences, and can talk on a wide range of topics involving the demonic.

Have you checked online for incubus and succubus? Or you're just bent on expressing your personal egp through unfounded theories? If you want to talk on these things, come to the field and face practical life realities. Theories are only sweet in the mouth of the speaker. In real life, what you wrote up there is balderdash. Get out of your confort zone and see it live and direct in practical terms. It's easy to just talk for the sake of talking. Anybody can do that.

You are pastor and so what?

Nothing you have said has made any sense . You 're just shiouting everywhere .

Please ignore me and face your business of deliverance to put food in your stomach.

FxMasterz:
Most of the responses so far are useless. Many ignorant people forming professors.

Spirit spouses are real. They come to people in dreams and have sex with them. Due to jealousy, they can make life hard for the earthly spouse. They can even kill him or her. They're the ones responsible for late marriages, unexplainable miscarriages, dysfunctional homes, and in some cases, sudden deaths, poverty, ill lucks and extreme hardships.

When you see yourself getting married, taking care of kids, having sex or relating with a spouse in dreams, you're actually a victim. They can make life really miserable for their victims. They want attention and are extremely jealous. This is the basis of the problems they create in people's lives.

In most cases, they're contracted through covenants or contracts with water spirits. Individuals who patronise marine spirits for help often get into this trouble and pass it down from generation to generatuon. So, a baby could be a victim through generational inheritance.

To get loosed from these spirits, you need to break the covenant you.have with marine spirits (most times those covenants are made by ancestors), break the evil soul ties you have with them, divorce them in the name of Jesus and burn any dowries or tokens representing the marriage in the spirit realm. There's also the need for you to destroy all the demonic children you have with your spirit spouse. The matter is a very serious matter. Only Jesus can deliver the victims.

The white people call them Incubus and Succubus. The Incubus is a spirit husband while the succubus is a spirit wife. It's not an African thing as one ignoramus was saying up there.

Apart from marine connection, a pact with witches or occultism can also bring these spirits into one's life and lineage.

Please if you have the book Dealing With Demons: An Introductory Guide to Exorcism and Discerning Evil Spirits By Bob Larson, kindly share with me. Thank you in advance.

CC:
Dtruthspeaker
Triplechoice

You are the ignoramous because you just vomited all the nonsense you have been forced to swallow in your churches. .

Incubus and sucubus is not the same as spirit spouse in traditional African religion from where Pentecostal Christians in Africa have stolen it from .

Having sex in dreams is not evidence of spirit spouses . There are rational explanations why people can have sex in dreams .

Morever , dreams are mostly symbolic representation of something going on in the dreamers life . It should not be interpreted literally. Primitive people are the ones known to give literal interpretations to all their dreams

onumadu:
Unfortunately most of what happens in the spiritual world cannot be explained: Prove that they are real.
They just can't be done consistently.

I'd give an instance of spiritual things that are not easy to prove. I am a "prophet" in my own rights, and how I prophesy is through DREAMS.
My dreams are unbelievably powerful and their messages never fail.

Dreams are superior way of divination because God talks to you DIRECTLY (not through human mediums that can be corrupted sometimes).
I've had such dreams about Nigeria, and specifically about WHO OWNS it. I've never had the courage to share the information. lol
Had the dream many years ago, and everything about it has happened and continues to happen till date. Scientific? Nope! Real? YEP!
Anyway I digress again... lol

About secret societies, you don't need to have entered one to have some decent information about what goes on in there.
You just need to READ SOME GOOD BOOKS on them.
I've read a few which I cannot mention here. If you read those books, you'd come to understand that religion is really irrelevant in spiritual matters. What is, IS. EOD.

Lastly, about me "rejecting" YOUR OPINION that I don't agree with, I don't have the power or authority to "reject" them. They are YOURS.

If it cannot be explained ,how come you want contributions from people on something that cannot be explained or closer to be proven


They reason we are here now is because you misrepresented me when you accuse me of dismissing demons .

I have not talked about demons talkless of dismissing them.

We aren't discussing demons . Are we ?

African religion practitioners whose beliefs I have summarised for you at the begining ,don't accept that spirit spouses are demons . In fact, Some even regard them as deities that can provide spiritual protection, and hence the reason for the appeasement to seek their cooperation. Christians on the other hand , try to cast them out because they belief such a thing ,if it exist ,must be demons . This is the difference.

Incubus and sucubus is what the whites know of, discuss, and portray in movies.

It's not the same with the concept of spirit spouses in traditional African religion.

I just want to hear from you what christianity teaches about a spirit spouse.

So ,for a start what are the criteria for judging if one has a spirit husband or wife ?

onumadu:
Apparently you didn't understand my point that white people call all those things "demons".

Secondly, they have secret societies where they tell themselves the truth.

That is exactly why they have those societies. They don't want to be arguing with everyone about those things.

In Africa, we deal with them as you said ATR way. Or latter day Christians deal with them through "deliverance".

I am a Christian. A very proud one. But I'm not ignorant. Christianity comes in different shades and colors.

You don't get to tell me how to be a Christian. Nobody gave you that authority. lol

I watched a movie many years ago (when white people don't want to defend or argue about something, they simple act it in movies) where a lady was constantly raped by a "demon". Some paranormal experts were brought in, and they used some scientific devices and tried to trap the "demon", but they failed. ETC...

Point is, these things DO exist, whether you believe it is immaterial.

I'm happy that someone above actually said something about how he deals with them.

I would rather attend to such people than those who peremptorily dismiss the whole thing as unreal.

Thank you.

You are free to discuss with whomever you want to discuss with . I can not stop you .

But you have not shown how spirit spouse is real . You only keep repeating it's real . That's all .

One final thing ,it's not true the whites discuss spirit spouse in secret . If that's true ,how did you get to know what's secretly discussed in those secret groups ?

I have only contributed what I know to be true about the topic. If it doesn't agree with you ,please reject it.

Thank you

onumadu:
Well, I think that the wrong way of looking at these things is to assume/expect every race or tribe of people to share the same cultural perspectives on them. CULTURE is a huge factor in how these things are dealt with.

For example, most whites who even believe in spiritual things simply categorize all such things as "demons" or "evil spirits".

What matters to them is that they have effective ways of getting rid of them when they are problematic.

I said I've read a lot of books written by whites on such things.

One of such books is Dealing With Demons: An Introductory Guide to Exorcism and Discerning Evil Spirits By Bob Larson

In the book, the author simply called all of these forces "evil spirits". What intrigued me most about his claims in the book (the man had conducted HUNDREDS if not thousands 0f exorcism, some of them even on religious leaders and the most unbelieving) is that significant numbers of people he helped never believed in them until voices they couldn't control started speaking through them!

So, you are mistaken to say that only Africans or as you put it "Africans living in Africa" believe such things.
My "spirit wife" may be a white man's "evil spirit". Does it matter the nomenclature as long as the problem is solved?

You need to stop thinking of Africans are uncivilized or superstitious regarding such things.

Those things are real and have destroyed the greatest and most intelligent people.

You are conflating things . The topic is on spirit spouse and not whether demons exist or not ,or are responsible for it.

Bob Larson has not discussed demons as spirit spouse . You are the one doing so here .

ATR practitioners who hold on to the belief don't call them demons .They accept them as people on the other side, the spirit world , who can assert influence on people here .


I already said it's superstitious belief tied to reincarnation and its against your religion Christianity ,meaning you shouldnt be dwelling on it .

Why hanging on to something that you should be doing away with .

If you still believe in spirit spouse as a Christian, then it only means one thing ,you have very strong ties or connection with those indigenous religion that promote such beliefs.

It's either you go back to join them or completely breakaway .

Meat wey u nor wan chop nor use your teeth divide ham for oda pipo.

Just focus on your Christianity .

sonmvayina:
The only solution is to appease...

The spirit spouse can allow you to enjoy your human incarnation...

Ok. If that helps you .

Dtruthspeaker:
Ahan! You are twisted like this? I supported your stand and you say balderdash? O I have forgotten that you are a twisted person and no reasonable person should lay on your words for you are very unstable. Left today, right tomorrow, up next tomorrow. My mistake . I hope to always remember your character.

Just rest. You are talking to yourself ,not me.

Dtruthspeaker:
You actually have confirmed my thoughts. You do be live that this experience may be true however you are using an overriding knowledge to settle it. Which is the knowledge of The Law (I hope you know that everytime i say The Law I mean God's Law more commonly known as Natural Law.

And that Law states that "a person always intends the consequences of his action". So no one can blame any other person but themselves for any ill fortune which be falls them.

Balderdash!

You never make sense.

onumadu:
Hmm ... Oga u sure so?

The problem is that when it comes to spirituality, Africans (black Africans) are more open about what they believe and experience.
Other races (whites, Arabs and Asians) mostly hide what they believe (the deep dark ones) inside secret societies.
And the rest simply don't believe spirituality even if they have been sent to mental homes or pushed to commit suicide by demons or demonic possessions.
Though it is not good to believe things easily, it is perhaps worse to not believe things and assume they don't exist. Denying it denies one the first advantage of action which is to IDENTIFY THE EXISTENCE OF THE PROBLEM. How could people solve problem they don't believe exists?
I've read some good books on spirituality written by psychologists who conduct hypnosis/exorcism on people possessed by "disembodied entities".

My broda, A LOT is going on with those things, and lack of belief in them does not mean they don't exist.

I said I'll share my own experiences with spirit wife ... later.

It's not matter of lack of belief ,but the fact that spirit spouse is superstitious belief . I already explained the origin of the idea to let you know that .

If something is real ,your lack of belief won't protect you from being affected by it.

However , I also know that if you ignorantly accept something to be real when it's not ,it can affect you as if real .


In this part of the world, people are consciously and unconsciously drawn into the belief due to religious indoctrination both in churches and other places where it's mentioned . One just need to protect one's mind in this environment where it's commonly discussed , if not one is affected and then conclude it's real .

It's observed that it's only Africans living in Africa and in diaspora who are making the claims of how a spirit spouse is causing their problems .If you can provide evidence of white people , or any other race without such a belief discussing spirit spouse ,then I will begin to listen more



In any case ,I will wait until you share your experiences before commenting further .

Dtruthspeaker:
You are right. I understand you better. You are not entirely saying you do not believe it which is what i thought you were saying.

What you thought is wrong . I don't believe in spirit spouse causing problems for people

descarado:
Excellent. When you see a well researched topic,nobody will tell you.
Bravo.

Thanks

Dtruthspeaker:
Your post sounds contradictory.

Anyway, there is no smoke without fire in nature.

There is no contradiction in my post .

If you have seen it there ,please point it out so I clearly see it.