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Workch:
I think you are quoting the wrong person.
I'm not the psychopath you have been arguing with that post a lot of unwarranted definitions.

Avoid that guy

My bad. Sorry

Maynman:
Deities.

You're annoying.

" It's not possible for any person to genuinely know whether deities or the supernatural are actually true to their descriptions, or mere fabrications ,regardless of sincerity"

This is very clear.Agnostics are not the ones who have given the descriptions from what's there in that you posted, but you want to dubiously tie to them as if they affirm any deities.

You cannot comprehend what is written in plain English .

SMH. You're not a serious person at all. I'm just wasting my time.
Go back to school or try to be sincere when you discuss with people.

Workch:
you are in for a long miserable unending argument if you keep replying that dude. We will keep posting things that are irrelevant to the topic.

Your problem is comprehension.
What you posted is very clear, but you're trying to be clever by half with the whole world watching.

Let's see how you're going to escape again with your Houdini trick

Maynman:
They say it is not possible to know.

What did they say it's not possible to know ?

Maynman:
If you want yo be agnostic, be it, if you want to be atheist be it.
Mixing it together is just hilarious 😂

It has nothing do with me . keep that for those who practice that .

Don't try to force something on me because you want to win an argument.

Maynman:
I am laughing at your illiteracy.

It’s no more agnostic 😂

Are you a weak agnostic or strong one 😂

Been an agnostic theist is contradicting, make una stay one place

You're right it's contradictory just like agnostic atheist.

But I'm not an agnostic theist. It doesn't make sense to me.

You cannot be neutral and still take sides. That's their own problem not mine

Know the difference and stop the blind arguments. A strong agnostic is not the same as agnostic theist. The former neither believes or disbelieves in a god while the latter believes in a god which he claims cannot be known.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism

Maynman:
😂😂

Laughing stock

You're laughing at your own ignorance

Maynman:
Is agnosticism not about “god”?
Look up agnostos.

Theist sympathizers.

You failed once again.

What you brought is on agnostic theist just like we have agnostic atheist.

Agnostic theist are weak agnostics.

You're really desperate

Maynman:
If they say something is unknowable is that not a claim already?
Because if something is unknowable you won’t even know it is unknowable, so putting a name on this “unknowable” already defeats the principle.

Agnostics have not afiirm an unknowable 'something'.

You are confusing deism for agnosticism. You dont know the difference

Maynman:
The problem is you don’t understand what “god” mean.

All these are greek words that took religious meaning due to Christianity..

Before, “Agnostic” has nothing to do with religious connotation.

It's not about god, but what is agnosticism.
You don't know that

Focus on the present moment. You mind is stuck in the past

What is god?

Tell ne. I don't know

Maynman:
I think i worded it wrongly.
What i meant was if someone also questions or critically examines the principles of agnosticism itself.
“Being agnostic about agnosticism”.

The problem is you dont yet understand it.

How can one be agnostic about agnosticism?

Very funny question

I said so before ,Whenever you get stuck the next thing is to come up with nonsensical arguments or to turn logic on its head to wriggle yourself out .

You just proved me right

It's difficult for the theist and atheist to understand right off the bat the agnostic neutral stand .

Both struggle to reconcile agnosticism with the extreme position they have both taken on the matter.

And what is the issue under contention?
It's simply this ;

What is responsible for the world we currently live in, or how did it come about?

Creation by a God,gods, chance or what else we cannot even imagine?

Some theists are certain a God or gods are responsible .

Atheists ,who on the other hand, are opposed this, have not come up with any definite answer to this question , but only relying on the arguments put forward by theist to arrive at their own conclusion.

In the midst of this uncertainty and lack of accurate knowledge to answer the question correctly, the agnostic has decided to remain neutral and not say anything until there's enough evidence to be sure .That's it.

And who can tell ? It's possible the world was "created" by "something" we cannot even fathom at this point in time ,and if that's the case , then theists who are insisting on God or gods may be closer to the truth than the rest of us think.

If it's not ,then they are completely wrong.

But how can we know the truth and end all arguments?

It's only when we can begin to investigate it scientifically, but at the moment we are very far from doing so . No enough data to work with or current methods in the sciences may not be suited for such a task.

We are yet to understand much about the world we collectively share ,not to talk of "something" that may be beyond it .

Maynman:
We are talking about the origin of gods.
Not current meaning of “god”.

The worship of gods didn’t start yesterday, you are confused!

No . We are not talking that.

you talking to yourself.

I have left you.

Goodday

Maynman:
Borrowed from where?
If we want to know what theism means, should we not go to where it was borrowed into English?

We should continue to be without knowledge and call ourselves “agnostic”?

We are concerned with its current meaning.

If we were discussing its origin then you're on track, but now you're very off it.

Maynman:
If the errors are always detected and corrected how come words evolve away from their original use?

We are talking about words that originated in Ancient Greece but you want us to use current dictionary to explain it
You are confused.

They evolved through usage .

Words on their own don't mean anything. They are a combination of sounds which a group of people have attached meaning to, and this can change.

It's the things which they describe that's the most important thing.
What does the word, theist currently describe by those using it ?

Maynman:
we are talking about concepts that was developed centuries ago, but you want us to use modern dictionary to understand what ancient cultures did?

All these barren people.

The errors are always detected and corrected. The definition for theist in dictionaries still remain the same after several updates.

So what are you talking about? We should go back to antiquity with you? You're not serious

What you brought now won't help you. It's not possible to have the same errors in every dictionaries at the same time

I said the idea of word evolving from its original is unknown to you hence your recourse to antiquity.

Do you know what it means when everyone in the world agrees to the same thing, but only you disagrees with it.

Just rest. You're no longer making sense and have deflected from the main thing into irrelevancies

Maynman:
I don’t understand; we should no longer use the original meaning of words so we can better understand what it means and how we should use it?
I should not result to history(antiquity), I should be without knowledge like you?

This is appealing to ignorance.

You don't know what it means to appeal to ignorance.

You're the ignorant one who doesn't know that the meaning of a word can evolve from its original meaning and because of that produced something that reeks of crass ignorance

Just show me a current dictionary where a theist is described only has a person who worship Greek gods, or swallow your pride.


Your comments are shocking and very disturbing to read.

Maynman:
Jargons, a yahweh worshipper is a theist and he believes in his own God, an allah worshipper is a theist and he also believes in his own God but they don’t believe in the same “God”.
God is a title not a person, the Christian god is yahweh and muslim god is allah(hubal)

Where did you get this definition?

You're generalizing because your atheism is founded on the two popular abrahamic religion.

You're clueless about the others

Maynman:
That’s why i said most agnostics are uneducated about “god”.


Theists refers to those that worship greek gods. Atheists those that don’t worship greek gods.
Look up the origin of the word, THEOS

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_atheism#:~:text=The%20most%20important%20Greek%20thinker,intervention%20(see%20scientific%20determinism).

Theist are those who worship Greek gods? Lol

So every theist around you, Christians and Muslims especially, are worshipping Greek gods?

You have come again mayman.

Whenever you get stuck in an argument, the next thing is to either turn logic on its head or come up with nonsensical arguments to wriggle yourself away from it.

You avoided current definitions of the word, theist, in modern dictionaries to deceive yourself with its description in classical antiquity?

Are you for real?

The meaning of a word can evolve from usage and thats why dictionaries are updated all the time.

There are lots of words in English language or elsewhere that are no longer connected to their origin. You're obviously oblivious to this fact hence your recourse to antiquity.



You're not serious and just want to play.

Look for another person to continue with your weird talk. No longer interested.

Modified. Yes, agnostics don't know much about what God really refers to in religion . There thousands of God claims and descriptions. So by what means can he use to judge every single one of them?


Tell me you that know it all.

Maynman:
What is the meaning of Theist and A-theist?

A theist is someone who believes in what he calls God. An atheist has taken the opposite position to that of a theist, he doesn't believe in that same God the theist believes in .

An agnostic is neutral. He neither believes or disbelieve anything. He wants to be sure first before deciding.

Maynman:
What tiny, little facts does the agnostic have on an English word called “god”?

Even theists don’t have all facts, what small facts does the agnostic have?

As usual, you want to focus on superficial stuff

God is an English word which doesn't mean anything elsewhere.

It's the reality which it describes that's the most important thing, and what's that?

Can you describe it in your local language

Maynman:
Atheist means “without gods”.
Atheists are like people that don’t believe in santa, you call them “Asanta”.
Religions are Ideologies that’s why they are called Doctrines, you need to BELIEVE IT.

but agnostics are saying they don’t know if “god” exist or not
What does “god” mean then we know if it has ability to exist or not?

What qualifies a thing to be a “god”?

Agnostics only mentioned God hypothetically because they have not being able to confirm anything yet on the matter but relying on you and the theist for explanation. They simply have no clue or not sure what a God refers to .

Please go a find the meaning of agnosticism and what position they have taken .

I dont want to waste my time with unending arguments .

Maynman:
What does “god” mean that if it were to exist?
Where did the agnostic learn the word “god” why not “hrieub”?

I said he is neutral on the matter.

He's looking up to you and the theist to explain it for him since both if you are the ones claiming knowledge on the matter of gods or creators

Theist have described thousands of creators in their different religion which you have rejected based on what you know.

An agnostic doesn't have all the facts yet to assert anything confidently on the matter.

You know better so educate him.

Maynman:
What does a “god” mean?

I should be asking you that.

Maynman:
Yes they have made claims, they said they don’t if “god” exist or not.
Let them define the “god” that they don’t know exist or not.

You're wrong.

If at any time an agnostic makes a God claim, he does so hypothetically; "if a God were to exist ,then" ..........

That's not affirming anything real

Maynman:
Which “god” is the agnostic talking about?
Let him define it.

He is not talking about any god.

Maynman:
Let the agnostic define what is “god”?
What makes a thing to be a “god”?
Some people god is a stone, a stone does exist.

And when you say this god created the universe, define universe?
Universe means existence
So Do you mean this “god” created existence?

Agnostics have not made any God claim and so cannot explain anything to you .

An agnostics is doubter not a believer

Maynman:
Theism and Atheism are greek words and it refers to “theos”, look up what “theos” are and ask yourself if they have the ability to exist or not.
An agnostic does not have knowledge of what he is, he is sympathetic to the monotheist god.

Just show how agnostics are sympathetic to a monotheist god then you would be listen to . That's all.

You have not proven anything

The agnostic position when summarised is simply this;

I'm not going to take a definite position on the matter until I have all the facts concerning it .


In other words, I'm maintaining a neutral position, and not much interested in the discussion yet until there's enough evidence to assert something confidently.



That's it about agnostism at a glance.

Those who accuse agnostics of being sympathetic to theist don't know the difference between deism and agnosticism, and have also spoken from a position of bias .

A theist can equally make the same accusation since agnostics have not made any definite god claims, or support the ones made by any religion.




While an agnostic is someone who wants to be sure of what it really is before concluding, the theist and atheist, are opposed to each other from a position of false certainty caused by limited knowledge.

Deism shouldn't be confused with agnosticism. Deist, not agnostics, are the ones who claimed an unknowable God that doesn't interfere in human affairs.

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