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AlMuflihah:
Of course I have, perhaps it's responsible for my intellectual prowess. I really recommend it for too you, perhaps your case will only need brain transplant and not CNS transplant or you might even be completely cured if Allah wills. And please rather than join the bandwagon of dullards please I recommend you put whatever you have of intellect to use and make research before you start vomiting dust bin around.

Your fellow muslims must be ashamed of you for saying you have drank a camel urine and for boasting that it helped for your 'intellectual prowess'. Intellectual prowess my foot.

Is the camel piss you drank different from the ones they drink in saudi arabia, pakistan, afghanistan, sudan, etc that made those countries the most backward countries on earth, saddled with islamic terrorism and religious fanatism? Is the camel urine you drank different from the ones they drink in islamic countries that made them technologically poor and backward? I need clarification, are you talking about islamic intellectual prowess in 'the science of the quran and the hadith' that have made many muslim countries intellectually and technically poor and backward?

While Europe, the US, japan, korea, china spend time doing research and development, muslim countries are busy building more madrassas that produce brainless and quran-inspired psycopath, kindly tell me more.

AlMuflihah:
I smell mental infirmity, I think you need nervous system transplant for brain transplant alone will do you no good. We are talking of religion and preservation of texts and indeed salvation, you bring technology into it...( Although I still got enough refutations for you on that, but story for another time.) and since you brought up the camel urine theory, perhaps I would be nice enough to help you out but I hope your intellect would comprehend it, go to Google and see what present day medicine is saying about the use of camel urine. They actually are confirming what a Prophet from the deserts of Arabia said 1400 years ago. But like the OP, I know you won't because i'm sure even if you do, you still won't comprehend.
Like I recommended please go back to your A for Apple class, perhaps you will find people with your intellectual level there.

Have you drank camel urine before for your sickness in obedience to the sunnah of profiteer mohammed?

AlMuflihah:
Thank you for accepting the fact that you are not intellectually and academically capable of learning the language( for only a daft person would say a language won't benefit him), and since Islam is a religion for intellectuals and academically sound people and not for gullible, brainwashed, lies gulping buffoons... Please don't let me catch you anywhere on NL saying anything about Islam and Muslims. For if your intellect is not enough to carry the language the message is revealed in,I wonder how it will comprehend the message. So do yourself and Christendom good, leave the topic Islam for the intellectuals and go back to your A for Apple class. :-

You cant threaten me Mr. Man. Islam is for the daft people hence muslim countries are the most backward people on earth. How can you believe that an illness can be cured by a camel piss, as recommended by mohammed, and still be a normal person? For your attention, camel piss is still being harvested in saudi arabia till date, yet the saudi prince do not drink it to cure their ailment but would rather travel to the US, Germany and Britain for medical treatments and check-ups. Are you muslims this daft?

How many muslims have won nobel lauretter for science since islam is for 'intellectuals'? Which muslim country is technologically advanced?

AlMuflihah:
Thank God that at least you attempted to learn a foreign language. If you are sincere with yourself and not as much of a liar as G.J.O Moshay you will understand how difficult and easily misinterpreted some words get and how many parables loss meanings when translated to another language. And besides ask any linguist he will tell u how deficient the English language is in interpreting Arabic, just like trying to use English to interprete Hausa, I bet you will most likely lose all the beauty of the Language. And note eastern languages are different from western languages in quality and sweetness, I say this because I learnt both. So before you start quoting verses distorted to English by someone who is looking for misguidance or someone still learning Arabic, go first and learn the language then you can talk about the verse. Before then just keep mute because those English translations just make you guys look like ignorant rain-drenched he-goats.

And please help me translate this yoruba proverb to English without distorting the original meaning and words...
'omo osan lon ko ponpo ba iya e'...

Go back and learn Arabic and feel the beauty of eloquence not found in any other language...

I can't learn arabic because it will serve me no academic or intellectual use. The only viable use of arabic, to a non-arab, is to be more islamic and perharps a muslim fundamentalist.

Arabic language is no difference from your yoruba language, dont be brainwashed. Anyone that tells you that arabic is better than yoruba language should get his head examined. Arabic is sweet in your ear while it sounds bad to mine. An average muslim appreciate arabic language because thats islam's official language just as latin is catholics official religious langauge and well appreciate by an average catholic.

AlMuflihah:
OP I hope u have made adequate research into the book you are about copy and pasting... for before you start making mockery of yourself and celebrating the ignorance of your esteemed G.J.O Moshay, at least you should verify some of his assertions. for someone with even an iota of knowledge of the Arabic language will know 'illah' means 'any random god' and not 'God'. So please I have read the book and seen how well he displayed his total ignorance of the Arabic language. So my advice, before you post anything from the book, verify from someone who atleast has even a beginners' knowledge in Arabic...

Muslims should stop taking humanity for foolls. Why are you guys always hiding behind 'have you read the quran in arabic' anytime some evil verses of the quran are exposed? Modern technology and IT have made it easy for someone with little a no knowledge of foreign langauage to learn, study and even teach subjects on that langauage with an effective translation materials which are available online.

I learnt german language online without going to any language school. Are muslims dunce or taking non-muslims for idiotts, especially when non-muslims challenge muslims on some basic and unacceptable islamic beliefs and teachings (especially against non-muslims)?

AlMuflihah:
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Ahaha...chai, dere. we're many memorizers of the qur'an during the time of d prophet...the qur'an is not a book transmitted just through writting.it was primarily transmitted through memory And Written down to make doz who cudnt memorize have access To it e.g for learning and reference before it was later compiled. Hence explaining d higher intellect of muslims (u could try changing a word from d glorious qur'an and u would see d millions of ppu dat would refute you immediately from dia memory)

Oh, I never knew that the arabs have super memory to remember all what allahh asked angel jubril to tell mohammed to tell muslims. The arabs memorizers were so accurate that the wholely quran was pefectly accurate.

Please you can tell these lies to a primary 1 pupil whose reasoning is still low.

AlMuflihah:
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@ meixili... Assalam alayka bro, it's not befitting for someone who believes in Allah and the last day to refer to someone who desecrate Allah and his signs as brother, worse still wish him peace. I know you a Muslim with sincerity at heart, but it's very prohibited in Islam. barakallahu fika

quran 48:29, Muhammad (is the) Messenger of Allah, and those who (are) with him (are) firm against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves.

As a good muslim, you are expected to hate non-muslims who dont believe in your pedofile and criminal prophet mohammed (shitt be upon him).

meixili:
Cute rant.

Anyway back to the topic. Is there any proof?

I dont expect you to reply reasonably, you seem not to be a natural english speaker. You cant have any discussion. Your responses seem teleguided hence incoherent and disjointed.

analice107:
I thought this is a discussion. Why not answer him so that this discussion will go on.
If you want proof that the Bible is incorrupt, I was hoping you would present your own proves that it indeed is corrupt.

Dont expect him to reply reasonably, the guy seems not to be a natural english speakers. He cant have any discussion. His responses seem teleguided hence incoherent and disjointed.

nasiayam:
-1 hate preaching

This is what we call hate preaching by your prophet mohammed:

Quran 9:29, Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture (christiams and jews) - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

nasiayam:
-1 propagating hate

This is how hate was propagated by mohammed:

Quran 9:29, Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture (christiams and jews) - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

nasiayam:
-1 for failing to notice you past posting history.

Quote my past post that is deemed offensive and lets dialogue.

If you have nothing to say please keep off, dont dull me bro with your unintelligent posts.

nasiayam:
-1 hate preaching

Telling the truth and being reasonable is not 'hate preaching'.

nasiayam:
-1 preaching hate

Telling the truth and being reasonable is not 'hate preaching'.

With religious freedom, islam will not survive even in saudi arabia hence it is considered a treason for someone to leave islam in saudi arabia. Most saudis leave in fear of religious police who are there to enforce islam on everyone's throat.

The problem is not peculiar to saudi arabia, an average arab wants to leave arabian countries and territories so that they can be free from islamic oppressions. Millions of arabs are fleeing islam and would want to leave their territory for europe or america in order to be free from their dometicated islamically-induced tyranny.

saudi arabia officially abolished slavery in 1961, though slavery is still going on in saudi arabia till date. Their victims are from poor african countries, south east asia, especially indians and pakistanis.

A willing slaves can however apply but you should asked the ones doing house-helps in saudi arabia how they are coping. Most of them are sexx slaves to their male masters.

meixili:
Firstly - if indeed the marriage of Lady Aisha was something which was despicable even at that time and in that culture, this fact would never have been recorded for posterity and all efforts to conceal or cloud it would have been undertaken.

But the fact that this hadith had reached us after it was recorded centuries ago and to all the Muslim generations in between proved that the marriage was culturally and morally acceptable and the fact is also that the Muslim community at that time remained unshakened in its faith in his Prophethood and the message which he had brought bear testimony to this assertion.

Secondly - we have to look at the life of Lady Aisha afterwards. She was without doubt one of the foremost scholars of Islam. It is even said that she had attained in her lifetime the position of Mufti - someone capable of giving religious rulings - a position very few Muslims will ever occupy.

She was seeked by many, both men and women, who hungered for knowledge and they came to her from all directions, Yemen, Bahrain, Syria. History does not know of any woman who was approached by so many for such a noble purpose.

If indeed she had became a victim of sexual abuse she would in most probability be devastated emotionally, psychologically, mentally and perhaps even physically but the achievements she had made in her life after the death of the Prophet proved that she was a woman who was in complete control of her faculties, becoming one of the intellectual giants of Islam.

And the fact that she had spoken so dearly of the Prophet was indicative of the innocence of the marriage and of the impeccable character of her husband because given the trust enjoyed by her by the virtue of her relationship with him, she could have unleashed a vengeful attack against him by attributing to him words or deeds of horrendous nature if indeed she was a victim of his supposed lust, destroying both the Prophet and Islam.

No sexual abuse victim would ever spoke positively of her attacker, much less becoming a channel that promote love and understanding of him and the message which he had brought.

Your using the phrase 'lady aisha' prior her marriage to mohammed is wrong. You should have used the phrase 'baby aisha' or 'little aisha' since you cannot describe a girl of 6 as a lady.

There is nothing morally and culturally acceptable for a man of 51 to wanting to marry a girl of 6, which your 'noble' prophet did. Muslims said mohammed was the greatest prophet and the best example to follow. Muslims do claim that mohammed abolished so many evil cultural practices among the arabs, is an old man of 51 lusting after a 6-yr old girl not an evil cultural practice? How can a sane person follow a man of 51 whom his god supposedly asked to marry a 6-yr old girl?

You said aisha was one of the greatest scholars of islam, how did that happen? History had it that aisha led the sunni camp that beheaded mohammed's grandchild, hussein, is that one of the criteria that made her a great islamic scholar?

You said aisha spoke well of the prophet, that is a subjective observation. In one of the hadith aisha told mohammed that it seems allahh is ever ready for do his (mohammed's) heart desires, whether good or evil. That is a bad complement for a supposedly prophet of allahh.

You said no sexual abuse victim will speak good of her attacker, you are wrong. Considering the fact that mohammed was both a religious and a political leader a ong the arabs then, it will be very difficult for aisha to speak ill of him. In one hadith Abu Bakr and omar slapped their daughters in from of mohammed (who were married to mohammed) for allegedly making the 'prophet' sad when they asked mohammed money but he could not give them. Islamic society does not condone rebelion from the wife even if she is maltreated by her husband.

In summary, your whitewashing the ungodly marriage of aisha to mohammed is both sad and an attempt to reduce women to sexx object of the satisfation of men.

meixili:
What about Aisha's parents (mom and dad),

Since Aisha's parents both approved of her engagement with Jober and later approved to her marriage to Muhammad, is it fair for anyone to call her mom and dad and former fiancée and whole tribe all child molesters? I think whoever does that would be out of his mind and needs to study a little history about the Middle East.

Let us look at the following narration:

Narrated Aisha: "The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Alright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Merits of the Helpers in Madinah (Ansaar), Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234)"

Notice here that Aisha's mother and the Muslim women back then were ok with her marriage. It was part of the Arab custom and still is in many of the Muslim and non-Muslim countries today for girls to marry at a very young age. When a girl's body starts showing up (her breasts and her height and physical size), then she would be ready for marriage.

No matter how much you try to white-wash this bad behaviour of your prophet, no sane person will accept any argument that it is ok for a man of 54 to approach a little girl of 6 for marriage. Deep within you, you know you can never give out your 9-year old daughter (in marriage) to a man of 54.

Back to this issue, it is known fact that little aisha was lawfully engaged to jubair before your prophet came to abu bakr (aisha's father) to asked of aisha's hand in marriage. When your prophet told aisha's parent that allahh's revealed aisha to him in a dream (mohammed said he saw aisha wrapped like a gift and presented him in a dream), aisha's parents objected that the age of the girl is too small for him to marry and that aisha was already engaged to jubair. Abu bakr also told your prophet that they were cousin and that it is not normal for him to marry aisha.

So you need to understand that aisha's parent initially refused mohammed's request but mohammed insisted that allahh was the one that asked him to marry aisha. And since Abu Bakr trusted mohammed\allahh, he reluctantly agreed and his acceptance automatically made him the number 2 man, after mohammed, among the young muslim ummah.

Aisha on her part was not ripe for marriage. At that age she was still playing with her doll and still swinging rope with her little girl friends. She was not mature at all.

Aisha even jokingly told mohammed that 'it is like allahh is always ready to do your wish'. If you understand the proper context of aisha's statement here you will discover that she doesnt trust mohammed; she believed that mohammed always invoke allahh anytime he wants to fulfil his selfish desires.

And you know what, the same aisha was also instrumental to the killing of mohammed's grandchildren, hassan and hussain (the former in the battle of karballa). If it was allahh was the onethat trully asked mohammed to marry aisha, how come aisha hated her husband's daughter (fatimah) and grand children so much such that she even orchestrated their death?

Think about this, open your brain.

meixili:
I love everyone for the sake of Allah. I feel in life loving and being cordial to neighbours is paramount. Let us hope if pressure comes, we all do the right things that are just too our souls and pleasing to God.

How can you love everyone when allahh\mohammed hate non-muslims?

hockeyoilers:
Fathers can sell their daughters as slave girls to other men in the Bible:

Exodus 21:7-11
7. "If a man sells his daughter as a female slave, she is not to go free as the male slaves do.
8. "If she is displeasing in the eyes of her master who designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He does not have authority to sell her to a foreign people because of his unfairness to her.
9. "If he designates her for his son [Note: "his son" means that the master is either her father's age or even much older!], he shall deal with her according to the custom of daughters.
10. "If he takes to himself another woman, he may not reduce her food, her clothing, or her conjugal rights.
11. "If he will not do these three things for her, then she shall go out for nothing, without payment of money.

First of all, did the daughter have any choice to be sold off by her father, married off by her master to either himself or his son? No!

Also, the fact that the master can either marry her or marry her off to his son, means that MOST LIKELY, SHE IS HIS DAUGHTER'S AGE and younger than his son!! So he's probably at least 30+ years older than her. Yet, he himself (her father's age or even MUCH older) can marry her

A blackman calling himself a whiteman to make himself feel good. The issue at hand is obama's hypocrisy, dont derail this thread with your diversion.

GworoChewinMaga:
Before his tenure ends and after the US presidential elections , Obama will openly declare that he has converted to Islam.

The Taqiyya lying bastard is also vieing for the office of the UN Secretay-General which he hopes he will use to further global jihad alongside that witch of Washington , Hillary Clinton.

Thats what makes islam evil and dangerous and from the devil. Lying is 100% acceptable as long as it is for the good of islam and its criminal prophet mohammed. Obama kept insulting christianity on a daily basis, an american president for that matter, without fear, and has the audacity to tell americans that he is a christian.

While he whitewashed the imperial and violent foundations and nature of the arabs\islam, he daily condemn israel in support of the arabs. The first american president that asked israel to go back to their pre-1967 border. The first american president to openly engage the israeli govt in a diplomatic war in order to break the tie bw israel and the US. The first american president to be boycotted by the israeli who went ahead to address the congress without the US president. The first american president to apologize to the muslim world instead of the muslim world apologizing for their past wars and raids against non-muslim lands. The list is endless.

Obama is a dangerous and evil man, he is an epitomy of God judgement against the US. Obama is also a good muslim.

surestakes:
Op, I agree with you. Where are pictures of Mohammed, Krishna, Buddha and all the other 4,000 gods? This guy is not only an antichrist, he is an antigod

Obama is the first muslim president of the US, it is no longer a secret, neither is it a crime. It is only dishonest of him to be claiming christianity but will attack christians always but will defend islam with his last blood.

ALTAQIYYA = HUSSEIN BARRACK OBAMA. Americans are ffoolish to have elected this liar-in-chief as their president only for them to now realize that they are dealing with a dangerous snake. They have to endure this dangerous man for the next ten months if they cant charge him for treason.

hockeyoilers:
Aren't you a total hypocrite for denying that little girls were sold off and married off during biblical times at very young age to much much older men ( Exodus 21:9 ), while making fierce charges against Islam on Aisha's age?

I understand your redeemable situation. Can you please tell me if this Jewish practice is still going on now? Just 150 years ago it was a custom among the ibibios, efiks and ohafias (all in eastern nigeria) to kill twins, but now that custom had been done away with because of enlightenment and education. In time past the papacy burn people on stake for heresy but today the practice has been outlawed. That is how human is meant to evolve.

In islam, the barbarity of mohammed is still viewed as ideal examples of muslims to follow till date. Mohammed killed his critics hence anyone that criticises mohammed in saudi arabia will be killed. Mohammed married a 6 year old girl hence saudi arabia does not have a minimum age for marriage of girls. Mohammed asked Jews and christians to be banished from the arabiam peninsula hence no Jew can set foot in saudi arabia without being killed.

100% of the sunnah of the islamic prophet must be obeyed despite that fact the so many of his sunnahh are apratheid, racist, mysogynistic and discriminatory in nature. This is what make islam backward, evil and dangerous. That is why countries like thailand, mnaynmar and japan dont want to take chances with arabian islam, the result is always fatal.

hockeyoilers:
Aren't you a total hypocrite for denying that little girls were sold off and married off during biblical times at very young age to much much older men ( Exodus 21:9 ), while making fierce charges against Islam on Aisha's age?

Exodus 21:7-11 reads:

7 “If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male
servants do. 8 If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, [a] he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. 9 If he selects her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter. 10 If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights. 11 If he does not provide her with these three things, she is to go free, without any payment of money.

If you read through the verses above you will discovered that it has nothing to do with marrring under-age girls, just as your pedofile prophet did. It was a Jewsish customs, then, whereby a father might decide to use his daughter to make money whereby the father gets money from the would-be masters in exchange for the daughters labour. In this modern era the Jews no longer practice this act, the world has evolved.

So judging the Jews with a practice they had done away with 1000s ago is a normal islamic defense system anytime the immoral behaviours of your prophet is brought to light. May I ask you, have the muslims done away with marrying off their 6-year old kids? Have the muslims done away with killings apostates? Have the muslims done away with banning non-muslims from entering mecca and medina? Have the muslims done away with fighting non-muslims for rejecting allahh and mohammed?

hockeyoilers:
Matthew 7:5 ESV

You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye

Thats not a logical response. Deny all what i wrote concerning your beloved prophet.

hockeyoilers:
Matthew 7:5 ESV

You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye

Thats not a logical response.

So islam has to come so low that mohammed, pastors and priest are now to be placed on the same moral level. I taught quran called mohammed 'mercy to mankind' and muslim say mohammed is the perfect character to emulate, why place him on the same moral pedastal with catholic priest and pastors?

The bible asked us to 'look unto Jesus, the author and the finisher of our faith'. If you want to blackmail christianity then you must blackmail Jesus first, but it's unfortunate that muslims have no proof to blackmail him because he was sinless. Jesus asked his disciples: 'can any of you convict me of any sin?'. None could convict him of sin. Can mohammed asked his sahabas the same question? No, because they are all into the same criminal business of capturing men and women in a raid, capturing and sharing war booty, trading war slaves among themselves and taking the most beautiful women captured in a war as what 'their right hand possessed'. These activities are well recorded in the quran and the ha-death.

So it's always shocking seeing muslims still taking mohammed as their prophet while at the same time rejecting most of his criminal activities. How can a sane man of 51 years old lust after a 6-year old girl? How can a god called allahh asked his 51-year old prophet to marry is 6-year old child? That means both allahh and mohammed are fake.

@ op, never knew thruthman2012 is your nightmare. Christians are to be judged by what Jesus did and instructed and not what any useless priest say or do. Muslims are to be judged by what Mohammad did and instructed and not what a sheik or imam did.

To we ordinary men, Mohammed is still a criminal and a pedofile, accept that fact. The information are in your Quran and your ha-death.

plappville:
Thats the reason they kill and see it as part of them. Only in the muslims world is fighting a normal thing. Its a crime in Christianity and even in the secular nations.

Yes, followers of the religion of peace, aka islam, are barbarians. Only a barbarian god will prescribe his slaves fighting infidels (quran 8:39, quran 9:29)

It takes a small portion of insanity to accept mohammed as a prophet.

plappville:
The only person that is ignorant here is you. When was islam born and when was christianity born? Muhammad and Jesus who came first? Who copied who, the first or the later?

Even a cat is laughung at DeathStroke007's stupidityy, defending a pedofile and an arab criminal impostor who called himself a prophet and a 'mercy to mankind'. It takes a little form of insanity to accept mohammed as a prophet if all what was written in the quran and the hadith are true about mohammed (death be upon him).

Blackfire:
the word ' assassin ' .... If u can get the source of it. . . U will marvel at Islam.

Can you please share the source of the word 'assasin' with us?