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Demmzy15:
Pained for what?! Now you're being emotional, click up the link and refute Mr man.



Can you allow God to impregnate your daughter at 12?! Can you allow a 90years old man marry your 12year old daughter?!



Is that why you want to cry?! Ever since I've been active on Nairaland Religion Section none of you have proved any of the above assertion. You just keep cursing and lamenting and you expect to convert Muslims from this?! I think you must be high on Holy Spirit's sh't!



There's no Quranic evidence that Aisha was 9years during marriage, but it's in the hadeeth. The same applies to Christianity, Mary's age is not in the Bible(if it was then we would accept) so we're free to use other documents. Click up that link mor'on!

Sorry, I know I am spoiling your mood, but you are no longer making sense nor arguing rationally. Why are you denying your hadith which clearly shows that your prophet was a pedofile for marrying a 6 year old girl? And note that Aisha was engaged to jubair before your prophet jelously initiated the cancellation of the engagement so that he can have her (the same thing he did to zaid so that he can marry zainab). Dont you believ in your hadith again? Is sahih bukhari no longer part and parcel of islamic source material? Walahi you will be publicly beheaded in saudi arabia if you openly deny these hadiths. Do you understand islam more than the saudis?

I am not forcing any muslim to leave islam but just pointing out the fact that islamic prophet is not a decent man, using the quran and the hadith. Am I the one that wrote the quran and the hadith? No. Original muslims (the arabs) do not deny the hadith which exposed the criminalities of your prophet, they rather view mohammed deeds as a noble thing but you fake nigerian muslims (who arabs see as fake and arab slaves) would rather spend all your time and energy emotionally defending the arabain baddest man and slave trader, Mohammed ibn Abdullah (slave of allahh).

If you dont accept the hadith on mohammed marriage to aisha (at 6) and mohammed snatching zainab from zaid, why do you accept that hadith that asked you to pray five time a day (you can as well show me where it was written in your quran to pray 5 times a day)?

Demmzy15:
Looks like you don't hear word, nevertheless your nonsense has been refuted long long ago. https://www.nairaland.com/2509652/pure-description-islam

Go through the thread, the above assertion was treated and no Christian was able to refute the 12year old to 90year old Mary and Joseph scandal. Feel free to punch!

I know you are pained that your prophet is not an ok person at all. Can you give your 6-year old daughter to a man of 51 years? I know you wont. Why do you think mohammed is a decent man with all the evident in the quran and the hadith that signified that he is a psycopath and a criminal? Do muslims think at all?

No any biblical evidence that mary was 12 when she married. You can provide one if you have any.

Demmzy15:
Look here animal, if you want me to reply your nonsense refrain from using the above words. It's a warning you know, I'm not a Quranist. Just as you try and "expose" me with the hadiths, I will too with other Christian documents like the bible, apocryphal and words of Christian saints.

I won't reply posts that have been answered by me or other Muslims here. Oya start!

SAHIH AL-BUKHARI

Narrated Aisha: The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Sahih Al- Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234).

Your islamic perfect man, mohammed (shiit be upon him), started sleeping with aisha when she was nine while he was 54 years (shameless old man).

Dont tell me that the above hadith is weak or fabricated, standard islamic excuse, because the quran supports pedofillia and marriage to girls who never experience mensuration (quran 65:4).

Demmzy15:
No one slept with a six year old girl, you're presenting it as its the case of Mary and Joseph(12 years ==90years)



Prophet Muhammad never had an adopted son!



Didn't the camel urine cure the aliment?! Or you want me to show you how your Bible told us to cure leprosy?!



Apostates killed are the belligerent ones, the guy the op talked is not going to be executed because he's still a Muslim. They misinterpreted him and every human makes mistakes.



In the Creed of Ahl Sunnah Wa Jam'aah, we don't do takkiyah. So try someone else, Paul and Peter are perfect takkiyah experts.



Christians are known to have killed the highest amount of Jews in the world, the Jews consider their golden age to be under Islamic States. In fact the Zionist Jews are the ones killing the Palestinian Muslims.



What's the point?! @stroked. Can't you make reasonable points without being vulgar? It's now you know Yorubas, you want to include us in your nonsense Biafra struggle abi? OK continue! Yorubas are becoming more firm in Islam, they're not nonchalant and "I don't care" about Islam like they used to be. They're now upholding the Sunnah, I've seen many of them. Even here in school(Ekiti), we're firm on the sunnah!

I can see that u r islamically ignorant of your evil hadiths, but before I respond to you, are you a quranist only or do you also believe in the hadith and the sunnah (as narrated by ibn ishaq and al-tabari) of your pedofile and criminal prophet (shitt be upon him)?

Demmzy15:
Yoruba Muslims?!! I can see the Biafran struggle is really affecting your biscuit bone brain! Yorubas are returning to the Sunnah and they're increasing everyday.

Lol. The sunnahh of sleeping with a 6 year old girl (aisha). The sunnah of snatching his adopted son's wife (zainab.. The sunnah of recommending camel peace for the cure of disease. The sunnah of killing apostates. The sunnah of altaqiyya for muslims for the propagation of islam. The sunnah of killing Jews worldwide, especially in arab land.

The yorubas I know are more godly, decent and responsible than your pedofile and criminal prophet (shitt be upon him), together with his fellow arab sahaba criminals..

gimakon:
Al -taqiyya alert! Loading 15mb/s

The guy will consume all his data on altaqiyya, islamic holy lies to deceive 'infidels'. How will a christian convert cause chaos in saudi arabia? Thousands of yoruba muslims are turning to christ and there is no single chaos.

Muslims are never tired of deceptions.

Pyrrho:
I used to be surprised at people being extremely stvpid.
But now I'm sure it is by choice. I get less infuriated by comments like this.

I guess every person is lost in this reality, and would do anything (in the name of God) to make sense out of their miserable existence.

Unfortunately...

Saudi arabia is following the sunnah of the islamic prophet (shitt be upon him), to the fullest.

daretodiffer:
I am sorry I made a mistake. I should have mentioned that death of an apostate is onlynin the Hadith. Thee is no mention of that punishment in the Qur'an itself. It has in several verses affirmed that there is no compulsion in religion.

He could disrupt the peace by protesting, instigating people etc which could indirectly cause chaos.

Altaqiyya alert! Loading @ 25kb/s.

yazach:
I have not seen a place where Muslim will abuse Jesus(Peace and Mercy of Allah be on Him), but to you, it is very easy to abuse those we hold in high esteem.

Peace be upon the righteous people

Why must you hold a criminal in high esteem? Between Jesus and mohammed who is a criminal?

parisbookaddict:
The rule of social media. .. never post what you dont want to share with others. ..

i actually compared him with his prophet ..he should be happy. .

Ok, just learnt that now.

parisbookaddict:
Huh??



The problem with u is english and science...u just dont understand simple english and academic research. .

Do u know anything about data collection using a representative sample size..? apparently u dont and that is why u have a problem with the number of muslims used to determine the percentage of muslims with extremists views...i guess u havent done ur masters / phd research or 1st degree thesis ..its a common practise used in academic research to draw conclusions from a target demographic based on a carefully considered sample size..which pew did..

And again from your persistent comments accusing me of saying that the 10% represents muslims in terrorist organisations ..it seems u missed the simple and clearly stated fact i posted saying the 10% represent muslims with extremist views or extremists cum fundamentalists... that u are an extremist does not mean u are out there beheading nonmuslims..tartar9 supports paedophilia, killing gays , stoning adulterers, the destruction of israel and america and violent jihad... he is an extremist , isis twitter warriors are extremists. ..are they killing people ..no... the problem is that u are too arrogant to think outside the box u have shut urself in..




Apparently u dont know what that pew research religion growth forecast is...

Let me define forecast for u

fore·cast - /ˈfôrˌkast/
verb
1. predict or estimate (a future event or trend).
noun
1. a prediction or estimate of future events, especially coming weather or a financial trend.



The west predicted according to several trends that nigeria will likely implode by 2015 ... it didnt...

Forecast is pseudoscience. .. but pew has a point.. the bigamist muslim men will ensure the growth of islam by their rabidly high reproduction rates...

But know this, islam has gone to the west to die..

Everyday more ex muslims are coming out to criticize islam... its inevitable, isis bh taliban and European homegrown islamists etc have ensured the end of islam

Dude am busy stop bugging me..

I dont think it is ok attaching a nairaland's pics, especially without his\her express permission. You can edit your post by removing the pix.

@ rilwayne, your blind defense of the evil of your prophet is legendary.

allahh and mohammed (shitt be upon him) had laid a foundation for sexx with kids. Aisha was engaged to Jubair but the prophet of islam lied that he saw aisha in his dream, wrapped in a cloth (like a sweet) and presented to him to marry. What an old liar.

He (mohammed) collected\snatched his adopted son's (zaid) wife (zainab) claiming that he received a revelation from allahh to marry her. What a greedy old man, a pervert! Muslims call him 'the best of mankind' or 'mercy to mankind'. I dont knw how to describe mohammed of a character sef.

allahh and mohammed (shitt be upon him) had laid a foundation for sexx with kids. Aisha was engaged to Jubair but the prophet of islam lied that he saw aisha in his dream, wrapped in a cloth (like a sweet) and presented to him to marry. What an old liar.

He (mohammed) collected\snatched his adopted son's (zaid) wife (zainab). What a greedy old man, a pervert! Muslims call him 'the best of mankind' or 'mercy to mankind'. I dont knw how to describe mohammed of a character sef.

islam1001:
On Wife Beating in Islam:

The Glorious Quran commands the beating of the NASHIZ (loose, flirty, unjustly defiant) wife after the 2nd warning was given to her. After that, they must sit with elderlies from her side and his to decide on whether the marriage should continue or not. By the way, the Arabic word DARABA also means to "leave". It doesn't just mean to "beat", and I've provided several Noble Verses where the word DARABA was used for leaving and traveling abroad from the Glorious Quran.

For normal women who fear Allah Almighty and aren't loose or flirty or unjustly defiant, Allah Almighty and Prophet Muhammad commanded the husbands to:

1- Never beat their wives.
2- Never mistreat or bully their wives.
3- Always speak kind words to their wives.
4- To provide for their wives peace, love and harmony.

This is a very long topic to discuss here. I've provided ample Noble Verses and Hadiths in the following link: http://www.answering-christianity.com/beating.htm. I've also proven from David Wood's Bible that wife-beating is allowed to evil wives.

For all of the points that I discussed earlier, there are many more Noble Verses that I could provide for all of the points that I discussed above. The Noble Verses that I displayed in this video were only a select few that I chose.

Action speaks louder than altaqiyya.

carinmom:
@Op, Jazakallah khayran and may Allah guide us unto the right path.

The right path to fight the people of the book (the Jews and the christians), for not accepting allahh and his apostle (quran 9:29)?

DabELLs:
the frenzy of Islamophobia in Western countries, an understanding of the original tenets of Islam is extremely important.In spite of the escalating prejudice against Islam and Muslims, very few people have actually read a verse in the Quran or delved into the Islamic teachings to have a thorough idea of what true Islam is before passing judgments on such a divine religion.This article will highlight some common misconceptions about Islam that are often based on misinterpreted or taken-out-of-context Islamic texts, and provide clear-cut evidence from the Quran and Hadith (Prophet Muhammad's sayings) that refute them completely.Islam is a Violent ReligionIn fact, Islam is a religion of peace, love and forgiveness. The Quran and Hadith prohibit the unjustified use of violence and force against any human being.“You shall not take life, which God has made sacred, except by way of justice and law.” (Quran 6:151). Muslims are forbidden from killing others unless it is for a legal and just cause.Another verse that forbids unjust killing of others says: “Nor take life, which Allah has made sacred, except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, We have given his heir authority (to demand Qisas [retribution] orto forgive): but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the law).” (Quran 17: 33). Human life is sacred in Islam and should never be taken wrongfully by anyone.Islam Condones Attacking non-Muslims and DisbelieversIslam strictly outlaws killing or causing harm to innocent people - regardless of their religion and beliefs. Manipulating certain verses in the Quran as well as quoting them out of their historical and textual context, by both Muslim extremists and anti-Muslims, are the major causes behind the ongoing controversy in understanding some Islamic principles.Killing innocent people is a grave sin in Islam. Allah and the Prophet (PBUH)* warn Muslims who commit heinous killings of severe punishment.“Whosoever kills an innocent human being, it shall be as if he has killed all mankind, and whosoever saves the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind.” (Quran 5:32). The sin of killing one human being in Islam is considered equal to killing all mankind.Prophet (PBUH) prohibited killing innocent non-Muslims and emphasised the grave consequence of such action. “Anyone who kills a non-Muslim will not smell the fragranceof the Paradise, even though its fragrance can be experienced at a distance of forty years.” (Al Bukhari).The prophet also warned Muslims of hurting or offending non-Muslims in Muslim states. “He who hurts a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state, I am his adversary, and I shall behis adversary on the Day of Judgement." (Al Bukhari). According to Islamic teachings,non-Muslims should feel safe and secure in Muslim countries and should not be hurt or threatened by any means.Moreover, a true Muslim is not the one who terrorises people and spreads fear and insecurity among them."By God, he is not a true believer, from whose mischief his neighbours do not feel secure."Prophet Muhammad (Al Bukhari, Muslim).Even in his last sermon, the Prophet (PBUH) ordered Muslims not to hurt others."Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you. Remember that you will indeed meet your Lord, and that He will indeed reckon your deeds." Islam prohibits causing any kind of harm to other people whatever their religion or beliefs are.Muslims are Required to Fight Non-MuslimsAccording to Quran, Muslims can only resort to war in order to defend themselves against oppression, or fight back against transgressors if their lands and property are attacked and they are driven out of their homes.“Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors. And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and persecution is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.” (Quran 2:190-191).Waging a war is decreed in Islam for self-defence so as to ward off aggression, but not to initiate hostilities and violate others' rights.“Permission [to fight] has been given to those who are being fought, because they were wronged. And indeed, Allah is competentto give them victory.” (Quran 22:39)Jihad Means Declaring a Holy War Against Non-MuslimsJihad, falsely translated as Holy War in Western media, is the most common misunderstood term nowadays.Jihadis an Arabic word that means striving hard. The physical jihad refers to combat waged in defending Muslim communities against oppression and transgression by their enemies.However, jihad is not merely confinedto the warfare.Contrary to the widespread belief, the highest form of jihad in Islam is not the physical jihad. It is jihad al nafs ( jihad against one's self), which requires the Muslim to struggle against immoral worldly temptations, purify his soul ofevil desires and refrain from the wrongdoings.Moreover, war in Islam is restricted to the battlefield, as it should never reach non-combatants. In his article entitled "Islam and Ethics of War and Peace,"Dr. Abdul Jalil Sajid presents a comprehensive overview of the issue of war and the rules of conduct in the battlefield from the perspective of Islam. Islam has set strict guidelines for Islamic conduct during war. These rules can be summed up in the following instructions givenby Abu Bakr; Islam’s first Caliph after the Prophet (PBUH):"Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviatefrom the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those whichare fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy's flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone".The stereotype of Muslims being violent and aggressive is not based on the objective interpretation of the true Islamic teachings. Unfortunately, it tars all Muslims with the same brush by simply judging a whole divine religion according to the actions of a handful of people who commit atrocious terrorist acts under the name of Islam. Such actions are totally forbidden by Allah and the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).*Muslims are required to recite a blessing whenever the Prophet Muhammad's name is mentioned..


http://ifoundislam.net/revert-supports/articles-by-subject/125-misconceptions-about-islam/535-misconceptions-about-islam-terrorism-violence-and-jihad.html

Lies made in saudi barbarian. Christians, hindus, Jews, etc are not always misunderstood, only muslims are always misunderstood. Why? All islamic terrorist are following the sunnah of mohammed (death be upon him).

And the western countries are still importing millions of muzlims into their countries, when will they learn that izlam is never compatible with judeo-christian values. They will permanently be at war, be it a cold war or a hot one.

Demmzy15:
This I can't ignore! That's a lie, please proof me wrong!



Another lie, prove me wrong!



Another lie, without Muslims work in Medicine I don't think the West would be able to survive. This a fact I'm willing to argue, I'm challenging you! Hospitals and medicine were Muslims initiatives, the brought it to you!



The world would have been a place of tyranny and sham if not for Muslims who fought against your evils. Remember Dracula, Crusaders, Byzantine Empire, etc! No doubt some Muslim rulers transgressed beyond limits, but they can't be compared with Christians.

Muslim historian and revisionist, well done. Crusade and inquisitions were response to islamic armies attempt to conquer the entire continental europe. The muslim jihadist had already defeated italy, france and spain but were stopped at the gate of vienna. Without Jihad, there will be no crusade and without crusade the entire world would have be islam. This is because after the defeat of islam and the expulsion of muslims from europe, christian missionaries started spreading christianity all over the world, partly in response to Jesus' command and also to neutralise islamic\arab drive for global cultural hegemony.

Without the europeans in sub-sahara and southern africa regions, the islamic invaders would have conqured the entire african continent for demonic allahh. Remember that tuareg jihadist from sudan and mali were already conquering west africa countries for allahh (looting and taking booties for allahh), uthman dan fodio jihadist in sokoto (northern nigeria) and and kanem of borno (northern nigeria).

I dont knw if you schoolled in Nigeria and used macmillam primary english course (for primary school pupils, primary 5 to be precise). You will remember Gandoki and his jihadist, even in the primary school, and how the nigerian education authorities allow jihadist and assasin story be taught in our primary schools (as if it is a good thing). No wonder we have, up north, current jihadist who might have also read about the good and islamic life of Gandoki who killed infidels for refusing to accept allahh and his apostle (death be upon him).

I will check if the Gandoki story is still in our school book and write the ministry of education to remove this islamic poison from it. Islam breeds evil and insanity.

parisbookaddict:
Yeah i agree... i learn new stuff every day that convinces me he was a fraud..
By the way
Mohammed being an illiterate is most likely a lie invented by muslims who wanted to give credibility to the fraud mohammed.... they claim how can an illiterate present such a book, the quran.

Mohammed was a psychopath, very clever, a master manipulator and skilled warrior. . Its very hard to sell him as an illiterate but the muslims have tried it with some hadiths..

Islamic liars have forgotten than Khadija (later mohammed's wife) employed mohammed, as her salesman and a book-keeper, during the caravan trade period along the desert route. How can someone employ a stark illiterate as a salesman and a book-keeper? I have forgetten that lying is perfectly islamic, as long as it is for the promotion of islam.

nurex01:
because I could remember a pastor that once one 2 burn it, he tried 4 d third time and d fire burn him wholly, if u like urself u had better Don't say dt rubbish again

I will burn the koran and send the copy to you. Check out your youtube videos, many people are burning the koran, including arabs. Stop deceiving yourself.

We need muslims to shed more light on this.

The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam....Prez Barrack Hussain Obama (US).

I have been make victorious through terror...Mohammed (Islamic perfect man).

Islam is a religion of peace...Prez George W. Bush (US)

Islam is dangerous to a man, just as rabbis is dangerous in a dog...Winston Churchill (former British prime minister).

Mattkent:
Are you sure we are on the same page here?

No one is smearing the image of islam, we only discuss some unacceptable deeds\instructions of mohammed.

Annunaki:
@true2god

The movie trailer of 'innocence of muslims' is back on youtube I just watched it again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJBWCLeOEaM&client=mv-google&layout=mobile&skipcontrinter=1

Apparently I watched it when it was released in 2012. I wonder why muslims find it offensive since everything in the film is 100% based on the true life of mohamed. This all goes to show that deep down inside, muslims are ashamed of their prophet.

Thanks man, I will download and watch later. I encourage my muslim friends to watch it as well and compare all what was acted with what we have in the quran and the hadith, if the producers are truthful or bias.

Mattkent:
I can't help but marvel at the way u guys think...especially d OP. This is the reason y I don't visit this religion page.

I am a Muslim and let me say this. No matter what they do Islam won't fall. They might try and smear the image of Islam with lies and propagandas but their lies can't belie the supremacy Of God and the miracle of the Quran.

Because a certain group smear our image doesn't mean that's how we all r.

Because other countries think most Nigerians are fraudsters doesn't mean all Nigerians r fraudsters...

May God increase our knowledge and put to shame those with evil motives.

You have no need being emotional about the fact that certain truth are being told about your religion and your prophet which are recorded in your religious book. Are you saying we should not discuss it? We are not in saudi arabia bro.

AlBaqir:
Truly it is an age long intellectual slavery. However we do not say ALL the documentation of Bukhari and Muslim were fabricated. What we say is ALL of them are not 100% as being propagated donkey years till date.Only the Quran is believed by us (the Muslims) to be absolutely free of error. And it is in its light that other books are being judged and cross examined.



Can you provide evidence from the Quran or documented saying of the Prophet of Islam that Sahih Bukhari is second to the Quran? You only follow conjecture and what is being politically propagated by the Abbasid Empire. As fake as Bible is, Christians built their entire faith and practices round it. So its a mental slavery.



First, I don't know what you meant by today's moral standard. Moral is moral since time immemorial. Moral never change.

Second, Quran opined that its the ONLY book free of error. And it is called "al-Furqan (the criterion)". This suggest that other books are prone to errors and Quran will always expose and correct their errors.

In view of this, Quran says about prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him and his progeny): {Indeed you have the most exalted of character}[surah al-Qalam]. Therefore should any narration from any book [unauthorized by Allah or Prophet Muhammad] report anything different from "exalted character" in the life of the Prophet, such report is nothing but gibberish.

Sahih Bukhari and others are exposed in the light of Quran and Aql (faith-based common sense). For example, hadith reported that Prophet introduced Camel's urine to be drink for human well-being. Quran emphatically declared the Prophet as he who only enjoin at-Tayyib (pure) things and forbid al-Khaba'is (impure) things. Urine is Impure by any standard and even if you are to use any component in it for medicine, it need to be extracted which is a form of purification.

Thanks for your time and observations. Peace

You said 'as fake as bible is'. Please can you, or any muslim, provide the original copy of the bible, since muslims, in order to give credibility to the quran, claimed that the current bible had been 'corrupted'? However, allahh in his own word in the quran said his word can never be altered or corrupted. Who am I to believe, allahh or muslims? Is it that allahh cannot protect that torah, the gospel or the psalms (he gave the Jews and the christians before the quran was allegedly revealed) from corruption, as against his words.

On today's moral standard, I mean to say that muslim apologist usually make excuses for mohammed that he cant be judged based on what happened 1400 years ago, especially his marriage to 6-yr old baby aisha (quran 65:4 supports prepubuscent or child marriage), as also recorded in the hadith. If it is morally wrong for a man of 51 to marry a girl of 6 now, it is also bad for a man of 51 to marry a girl of 6 then.

How can you call mohammed 'an exalted character' with all his bad characters recorded in the quran and the hadith, like sleeping with sexx slaves, sharing of war booties, killing of apostates and political enemies, approving child marriage and askin muslims to fight the Jews and christians because of ideological difference? Are you reading different quran and hadith made in pluto?

Annunaki:
@true2god kindly draw my attention to it when the part two video comes out. I really found the first one very amusing.

No wahala, I will keep you informed.

AlBaqir:
Truly it is an age long intellectual slavery. However we do not say ALL the documentation of Bukhari and Muslim were fabricated. What we say is ALL of them are not 100% as being propagated donkey years till date.Only the Quran is believed by us (the Muslims) to be absolutely free of error. And it is in its light that other books are being judged and cross examined.



Can you provide evidence from the Quran or documented saying of the Prophet of Islam that Sahih Bukhari is second to the Quran? You only follow conjecture and what is being politically propagated by the Abbasid Empire. As fake as Bible is, Christians built their entire faith and practices round it. So its a mental slavery.



First, I don't know what you meant by today's moral standard. Moral is moral since time immemorial. Moral never change.

Second, Quran opined that its the ONLY book free of error. And it is called "al-Furqan (the criterion)". This suggest that other books are prone to errors and Quran will always expose and correct their errors.

In view of this, Quran says about prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him and his progeny): {Indeed you have the most exalted of character}[surah al-Qalam]. Therefore should any narration from any book [unauthorized by Allah or Prophet Muhammad] report anything different from "exalted character" in the life of the Prophet, such report is nothing but gibberish.

Sahih Bukhari and others are exposed in the light of Quran and Aql (faith-based common sense). For example, hadith reported that Prophet introduced Camel's urine to be drink for human well-being. Quran emphatically declared the Prophet as he who only enjoin at-Tayyib (pure) things and forbid al-Khaba'is (impure) things. Urine is Impure by any standard and even if you are to use any component in it for medicine, it need to be extracted which is a form of purification.

Thanks for your time and observations. Peace

So you mean hadith is not completely reliable as an islamic source document but the quran is 100% scientifically reliable, historically dependable and morally acceptable for guidance. Well I wont agree with you because the quran is filled with scientific errors and inconsistencies. Lets see the quranic verses below.

How many days did it take to create Heavens and Earth ?

Quran 7: 54 Your gurdian-Lord is Allah who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

Quran 10: 3 Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

Quran 11:7 He it is Who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

Quran-25:29: He Who created the heavens and earth and all that is between, in Six Days
The above verses clearly state that God created the heaven and Allah created the heaven and the Earth in 6 days. But the verses below stated-

Quran 41: 9 Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ?

Quran 41: 10 He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYS…

Quran 41: 12 So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days and …

Is it historic errors? Lets see the verses below:

Quran 19:28, "Oh, sister of Aaron (the prophet). And she was an offspring of some of those who were with him who belonged to the same class of brotherhood. It was also said that she (mary) was one of Aaron's descendants though there were a thousand years between them. It was said too, that he (Aaron) was a righteous or a wicked man who lived during their time (time of Mary). They likened her to him to ridicule her or to insult her'' and compare it with quran 3:35. Mohammed confused mary (mother of Jesus) for Miriam (sister of Aaron). If a supposed prophet can make this fundamental error, right in the quran, how can qurran be historically reliable and credible?

On the issue of morality, quran 9:29 asked muslims to fight the christians and the Jews for not accepting allahh and mohammed (as a prophet), nor forbid what allahh and mohammed forbid. That muslims should collect jizya from christians and Jews and shame. Morally speaking, how can one give such an instruction and claim to represent God? And fya, the othoman empire was still collecting jizya from christians and Jews as late as the 19th century before it was stopped by the european colonial powers.

AlBaqir:
May Allah bless you for this piece. If it is Albaqir making those remarks, some fanatic will shout "he's a Shia". May Allah open our inner heart. I opened a thread titled: "How authentic are the narrations in Sahih Bukhari and Muslim?".

But for over 1000 years, till date, these hadiths have been in islamic libraries and collections, why is it that it is now that muslims suddenly realized that they are fake and that both Bukhari and Muslim cannot be trusted in their hadith collections? And fya, Sahih Bukhari is only second to the quran and formed the nucleus of 90% of islamic laws and jurispundence. This means that in the day-to-day of muslim life and conduct, sahih bukhari provided the guide and also explained the quran better (you cannot explain most verses of the quran without the hadith).

So for you guys trying to deny some hadiths by bukhari and muslim, especially when it does not speak well of mohammed on today's moral standard. That is hypocrisy because the quran didn't speak well of him either, especially his evil instructions that terrorist use as inspirations. Are you also going to discard those 'verses of sword'?

If you condemn some hadiths, as being fabricated, will you also condemn some quranic verses as being fabricated?

Annunaki:
@true2god
Is there any video on the thieving 'prrophet's caravan raids? I searched through youtube but couldn't find any.

There was one before but the members of the 'religion of peace' protested and rioted which lead to the death of thousands of people around the world. The name of the film is 'innocence of muslims'. It is no more of youtube, only the fast and lucky ones were able to download permanently.

Dont worry I will always update you on new mohammed videos based completely on allahh's fake and selfish 'revelations', sahih bukhari and the sunnah (from sources like ibn kathir and ibn ishaq).

The part two of the current video is still under production and should be out in a month's time. Be on a look-out, it is more interesting and revealing. No more hiding place for mohammed and his lies in this information age.

allahuu arc-bar.