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daretodiffer:
Islam has been in the US before that nonsense was written

The american bill of right and the first amendment is far better, humane and moral than your discriminatory sharia law that openly make provisions for the subjugation of non-muslims under islamic rule. Tell me where islam was before american passgage of the first amendment.
The first encounter the US had with muslims\islam was under Thomas Jefferson when arab muslim pirates were attacking american shippings (in the mediteranean), took american prisoners and demanded for ransom, just because they (the americans) were kafir.

AishyWemsy:
Willfully ignorant? They say if u r right, u don't have to fight (talking to both of us) See hypocrites everywhere o, at least u accept there are non Muslims in Saudi, because even Muslim here in Nigeria give their children Muslim names so I guess u must be talking about non muslims,and ur claim is wrong. Islam is here to stay. Read between the line true2god and check the link, there u will see the response given to someone like u.

Are non-muslims allowed to pray openly in saudi arabia? Are Jews allowed in saudi arabia without being killed? Can saudi arabia give me a resident visa if my passport reads a christian name?

Get your fact right, no single non-muslim is allowed in mecca and medina and almost all non-muslims in saudi arabia are white expatriate oil workers and american marines.

Islam is the elephant in the house, it must be tolerated with caution but not loved.

HaneefahRN:
what applies to that tiny city applies to that Country. If a city can reserve the right to just one religion, then a Country made up of many tiny Cities can also av that right. Saudi unlike US is not a secular Country, US has no religion. Anyone going to Saudi already knows there is no church there, It's an open secret, so why not go to a secular nation or predominantly Christian nations?
Besides Saudi isn't the only Muslim nation, why not talk abt the Muslim nations housing churches and even synagogues?

The US has a religion but not an officially sanctined religion. There is a separation of the church and state. When the american bill of right was written, the american founding father had the church and the state at heart because islam was not in american then. They dont want the church to interfer in governance. Religion is to be made private. Muslims, in their cunny way, are also using the same religious freedom, in america and europe, to their advantage but are persecuting non-muslims in their territories.

As at now most americans profess christianity and religion goes a long way in american politics. And with the current islamic terror worldwide, an average american has no trust in a muslim. In fact an open muslim can never be elected a governor or president in the US becuase american ideology is a complete opposite of islamic ideology. Oil and water are no good mixture.

On emphasizing on saudi arabia, this is because it is the cradle and the headquater of islam worldwide. Islamic political ideologies are designed and saudi arabia.

I want to ask you, why do millions of muslims want to move to the US instead of saudi arabia, iran, afghanistan or sudan?

AishyWemsy:
We believe Jesus (alay salam) in our holy book, there is a whole chapter for Anabi Isa (Jesus) and his mum (Maryam). Angola is a christian country which has banned Islam and any form of its practice. Am sure u don't know that. There are a lot Josephs and Johns in Saudi. Though public churches are not allowed. Which is normal, because it is our most sacred land and it can be compared to Vatican, And why did American government find ur recent hero's comment disqualifying if he was so right. And u guys said CNN is our friend now, this made me laff in Swahili. Google is is ur friend, get ur facts straight before complaining. Check this site out http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/10/politifact-most-muslim-countries-allow-churches-synagogues/

Action is louder than altaqiyya. Recently, saudi arabia banned all their citizens from giving their kids christian or western names but they want the entire world to be answering mohammed, abdulazeez, usman, aisha, zainab and other arab\islamic names. I am surprised that you can sanction arab cultural supremacy whose modus operandi is a quasi-religion now jokingly called 'the religion of peace'. The same islam that spread by military invasion and subjugation of other cultures and replacing same with arab culture. Ask the indo-pakistans if you are confused and ignorant of these facts.

Since you choose to be wilfully ignorant, muslims pray in the vatican almost on a yearly basis and quran is also read in the vatican, though i completely disagree with this 'tolerance' by the catholic church. Can the bible be openly read in saudi arabia? No. Can a christian openly pray in saudi arabia? No. Have muslims condemn saudi arabia for oppressing religious minorities? No. Are shia muslims oppressed in saudi arabia? Yes.

So your moral equivalence of comparing saudi and vatican is a standard muslim response to protect saudi atrocities against non-muslims, the shia and the ahmadiyyas. Can saudi arabian govt condemn Donald Trump? No. Why? They are guity of the same.

Muslims\arab cannot dictate what they feel is favourable to them only to the entire world. The world is fully aware of islamic history and tyranny, the old othoman empire is long gone and cannot revive.

Muslim hypocrites, and their CNN friend (who easily promote homosexuality, lesbianism, transgender, wars, lies and high scale propaganda) can shout, condemn and hit their head on a wall. I ask muslims, can saudi arabia give a resident visa to anyone who bears a christian or jewish name on his international passport? Can saudi arabia allow ordinary the wearing of a t-shirt with a JESUS written on it, in the public? Can saudi arabia allow a single church built in their land?

Demmzy15:
This is why I have problems with Yeebhoe people you people lie too much!!! Here's what Imam Ibn Kathir has mentioned that some scholars say that this verse (Qu'ran 5:51) was revealed after the Battle of Uhud when Muslims had a set back. At that time, a Muslim from Madinah said, "I am going to live with Jews so I shall be safe in case another attack comes on Madinah." And another person said, "I am going to live with Christians so I shall be safe in case another attack comes on Madinah." So Allah revealed this verse reminding the believers that they should not seek the protection from others, but should protect each other. (See Ibn Kathir, Al-Tafsir, vol. 2, p. 68)

Everything Imam ibn kathir referred to was in the time of warfare, i seriously dont know you gain in lying!!!

Every conspiracy theory is acceptable to muslims, as long as it white-washes the evils of islam\mohammed. So everything ibn kathir said was all about wars between muslims and non-muslims? Who was fightin mohammed when he asked muslims to fight christians and Jews for just having a contrary religious view from mohammed (quran 9:29)? Mohammed asked his fellow criminals for fight the jews and the christians for not believin in allahh and mohammed. Is that tolerance? So I forgot, the islamic concept of tolerance is when muslims tolerate fellow muslims.

Islam\allahh\mohammed is bad bro. On ibn kathir approval of hostility against christians and Jews, I will share with you.

Saudi arabia, as a matter of international policy, does not allow non-muslims into their country and no one is complaining about that. As a matter of fact if your passport read a christian name saudi wont offer you visa, except you are a company's rep.

The world is so much a complicated place where people are judged with different moral standards. Can any muslim tell us why saudi arabia have a complete ban of non-muslims entering their country?

abduljabbar4:
Fool i went to Zaria to mourn the death of my grandfather. I stayed for 2 weeks and the electricity there is quite bad so i had to utilize it.

May the soul of your grandfather rest in peace. What do you think of mohammed's night journey night journey to heaven?

While I do not support Trump on this, the islamic prophet mohammed said (about 1400years ago) the same thing about the christians and Jews hence there is no single trace of Jews and christians in saudi arabia today. Mohammed's statement goes thus:

Sahih Muslim: It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al- Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.

So Trump and mohammed are in the category here. While muslims will condemn Donald Trump, they wont condemn mohammed. َ

Saudi arabia does not issue visa to anybody whose names are Joseph, Peter, David, elizabeth, Emmanuel, Benjamin, Timothy, and other christian related names, unless you are a diplomat or a white oil worker (like an expatriate).

So if the US stop issuing visas to people whose names are mohammed, aisha, abdulkareem, usman, muttalib, zainab, and other islamic\arab names, it is ok. Security first.

prevention is better than injury.

nurex01:
Jesus (pbuh) has said dt their is a prophet dt will come after me named prophet muhammad (solalohu alehi wasalam) and he said follow his path and all what he comes with.

Can you support this claim with your ha-death or quran?

quickly:
In modern day only islamic beleifs lead ppl to kill others to please their god.

How do u think islam was spread in the north --thru killing of hausa and terrorising them to dump their culture.

today hausa have no culture persay all they have is religion of arab.


However arab culture remains

in nigeria christainity was spread through missionaries and education
Eg mary slessor

talk about nigeria

Uthman dan fodio, the tuareg islamic terrorist that declared jihad against the hausas hence led to the establishment of current sokoto caliphate comes to my mind now.

Islam is the religion of peace (trade mark).

allahh and mohammed were surely unaware that Paul existed hence no mention of him either in the quran or the ha-death. Mohammed and allahh surely had limited understanding of christianity because the new testament epistles were mostly written by paul and serve as bedrock of modern christian theology.

Muslims blame Paul anytime they want to bash christianity without supporting their bashing with islamic source documents to back-up their accusations, because non existed. If allahh is all-knowing, I expected allahh to have told mohammed something about Paul and to counter Paul's teaching but allahh did not. Muslims are only doing what allahh\mohammed should have done, that is blaming Paul for everything unislamic in christianity, as if christians\Jesus christ were expected to follow\obey allahh (an arabian moon deity worshipped by abdullah ibn muttalib, mohammed's biological father).

bashbabe2:
Yet they leave thier Bible filled with more hatred and violence to criticise the Quran,. They quote the verses literally without knowing the reasons for revelation. You can't read and understand most verses of Quran without reading the tafsir that goes with it. this is what all the terrorist organisations do, they quote out of context and claim to be following the book that preached against that which they do.

"A Messenger, reciting allahh's clear Verses to you to bring those who believe and do right actions out of the darkness into the Light. Whoever believes in allahh and acts rightly, We will admit him into Gardens..." (Qur'an 65:11)

"We (how many people?)have made the Qur'an easy in your language so that they may take heed it." (Qur'an 44:58)

"We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur'an so you people may understand / reason" (Qur'an 12:2). Here allahh is a rascist as well, giving recognition to arabic over yoruba language and said he made his words clear.

The above few verses shows that allahh said that his quran is very clear to understand, so why do I need a tasfir to understand the quran? Who is telling the truth, you or allahh?

keishablack:
Muslims keep saying Islam is a religion of peace and I ask "What kind of peace exactly?".

Peace in the grave-yard.

This 'islamic reasoning' picture reminds me of biology's hydrogen cycle, just that the biologist hydrogen cycle makes 100% sense than the muslim's 'mohammed-defense cycle'.

Annunaki:
Calling it twisted is an understatement, it actually borders on insanity.

I call this 'islamic response cycle'. Islamic argument is always without common sense, rationale and proove, just believe what mohammed said, whether truth or lie, or...

Demmzy15:
Thunder fire you there!!! Hope you heard thunder fire you!!! I'm challenging you to show me any credible Muslim scholar that condemns Tafsir of Ibn Kathir. This commentary is 100times better than your bible, guy you dey vex me gan wallahi!!!

Sorry, pele oremi. Is it the same ibn kathir's tasfir that interpreted quran 5:51 as 'though we smile with christians and Jews on the surface, but in our heart (the heart of muslims) we curse them? So according to islamic twisted brain and ideology, this poisonous statement\commentary, by your most trusted muslim 'scholar', is better that the Bible's Jesus' command to 'love your enemies and do good to them that hate you (matthew 5:44)'?

I see why islam\mohammed is a curse to humanity.

According to the op, a re-mixed song (which islam is) is the original while the real song (Judaism) was copied from the remixed song. Islamic psychology is a twisted one.

Why no close all the mosk? Hundred mosk closed and 200 new ones built. Saudi arabia muslim be laughing at the stupidity of the western governments.

Islam, a global arab rascism and imperial movement, is being currently defended by black muslims whose ancestors were enslaved by the same islamic rascist arabs. This is a shame.

Of all people, blacks are the least people that should be muslims because, long before the european corporate trans-atlantic slave trade, the muslim arabs had enslave millions of blacks, from ethiopia to sudan to somalia, as slave labourers (for allahh, mohammed and his sahadas). When will blacks wake up to this ugly reality that is still even going on now?

On the issue at hand, it is unfortunate that mohammed had to instil it the psyche of muslims that there is no god but allahh and he is his prophet. Who was arguing with him that he was not a prophet? Its like me saying 'there is no handsome guy but me', which show that I have not confidence in myself and have a very low self esteem. Mohammed must have had a very low self esteem by making the statement 'there is no go but allahh and mohammed is his apostle'. He shouldn't have called himself allahh's apostle rather people should have called him so, having seen his examplary character.

The character we know of mohammed is that of a warlord, a slave trader, a raider of 'infidels', sharing of war booties,, having multiple sex partners (so-called wives) and other characters that portray him as a criminal. He, as an evil genius, has to devise a standard official declaration thus: There is no god but allahh and mohammed is his messenger.

Only an insecure person will make such a declaration.

Annunaki:
Oya al taquiya experts and islamic spin doctors, the floor is open for you to come and once again make fools of yourselves.

It takes no logic for someone to know that islam is evil and against non-muslims. Is there golden rule in islam?

Quran 9:29; Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the JIZYAH willingly while they are humbled.

The points here are:

1) Arab muslims (I used arabs because muslims then were purely arabs) were asked to fight anyone who do not believe in allahh or the last day.

2) Arab muslims were asked to fight whoever does not belive what mohammed believe (no freedom of taught or believe)

3) Arab muslims were asked, for reasons 1 and 2, to fight christians and Jews and force them to pay JIZYAH, purposely to disgrace and subdue them.

From the hadith:

Sahih Muslim (19:4294) - There are many places in the hadith where Muhammad tells his followers to demand the jizya of non- believers. Here he lays down the rule that it is to be extorted by force: "If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them"

Sahih Bukhari (53:386) - The command for Muslims to spread Islamic rule by force, subjugating others until they either convert to Islam or pay money, is eternal: Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, has ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah Alone or give Jizya (i.e. tribute); and our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says:-- "Whoever amongst us is killed (i.e. martyred), shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever amongst us remain alive, shall become your master." This is being recounted during the reign of Umar, Muhammad's companion and the second caliph, who sent conquering armies into non-Muslim Persian and Christian lands (after Muhammad's death).

Ibn Ishaq 956 & 962 - "He who withholds the Jizya is an enemy of Allah and His apostle." The words of Muhammad.

Many muslims will say 'you quote out of context'. Below is a tasfir by Ibn kathir, a renowned islamic scholar, on this matter:

Allah, most high, ordered the believers to prohibit the disbelievers from entering or coming near the sacred mosque. On that, [Muhammad's home tribe of] Quraysh thought that this would reduce their profits from trade. Therefore, Allah most high compensated them and ordered them to fight the people of the Book until the embrace Islam or pay the jizya. (Ibn Kathir, The Battles of the Prophet, p. 183-184').

So many islamic sources and authorities fully accept the collection of jizya from christians and Jews, in order to subdue them.

How will muslims in Europe and america feel if christians asked them to pay a form of 'jizya' because they are muslims? How will muslims feel if they are humbled and humiliated for being muslims in non-muslim lands? By nature muslims will not be happy with that discriminatory policy but that same policy was fully sanctioned in the quran (quran 9:29) by allahh and mohammed.

How can allahh be a true God by asking muslims to collect jizya from christians and shame them at the same time? It is either allahh is a devil or mohammed made things up by himself and sanctioned it by invoking allahh.

Demmzy15:
Study the Qur'an with an unbiased mind, there are reasons why some verses were revealed. Don't take everything out of context, get the Tafsir of Ibn Kathir and read. I believe you're open for the truth.

The same ibn kathir many muslims have denied his commentaries, especially the ones that put mohammed on a bad light. You must be a complete hypocrite.

Demmzy15:
The rate at which women graduate in Saudi Arabia and the Islamic States is very high now. The illiteracy rate in Saudi Arabia is 3.21%, which is very encouraging. This dispels the myth that Islam prevents women from education.

Female literacy in south east nigeria is still higher that saudi arabia. A fact that even the UN can testify. 97% of 'graduates' from that school will still end up as unemployed 4th wife to one sheik abdullazeez ibn abdulterror.

Anas09:
. maybe after straffing the LovePeddler, he slept off to heaven.

O wait!!!!, that's when he saw the virgins and was told what to do to get them.

Another thing that suprises me is, Muhammed said he dreamed flying on a white winged Horse to Jerusalem, while there, he tied his horse on a pillar in the Temple which was already existing there. Later his follower, Omar, based on that dream went to Jerusalem to claim the portion of Land, build a Mosque on that Land. Muhammed tied his horse on a certain pillar in the Jewish ruined Temple, in HIS DREAM. Abeg wetin dey even happen here sef? And the whole world is saying the Jews shd give that land to the Muslims. What's going on?

Yes thats normative islam, conquer foreign land and claim ownership forever. Morrocan and turkish invaders whose fore-fathers were expelled in spain are now claiming compensation in a land that were never theirs in the first place. As far as muslims\islam is concerned, your land and property belongs to allahh and his apostle, except you become a muslim. This is what makes islam a criminal and dangerous religion.

tartar9:
their husbands turned reverend fathers,that's how they became widows.

Do you mean mohammed tolerated a reverend father in mecca and medina? This this strange to me, I read somewhere in an hadith where mohammed promised to expelled the christians and the Jews from the arabian peninsula, do you mean your prophet lied?

Meanwhile you never give any reason your prophet asked Jabir bin 'Abdullah to marry a virgin.

tartar9:
he have changed the topic again
keep saying nonsense

You said most of your apostles wives are widows. Can you explain how they all become widows? Is it cholera outbreak that killed their husband?

Annunaki:
It's so glaringly clear that mohamed was caught with his pants down and he had to cook up a story to deceive his gullible followers. The more annoying thing is that based on this lie mohamedians have built a monument to satan in the true holy land(jerusalem) and they claim this Land as their own killing innocents and wrecking havoc for centuries just because one philanderer told a stoopid lie to cover up his tracks.

Thats a mystery that its hard to understand. Mohammed lied that he went to heaven but was discovered to sleep in a woman's house, his disciples left him for lying while modern muslims believe the lies.

It's like any story sells, to muslim, as long as it inflates the ego of mohammed, even if the story is openly false.

tartar9:
yet most of His(SAW) wives were widows

Yes, because he married most women whom he either killed their husbands or their husbands died while fighting in the cause of allahh. He is the highest beneficiary of people's (muslims and non-muslims) misery.

Though I am not against sexual purity, it is obvious that mohammed's later preference for virgin had nothin to do with sexual purity but to attain maximum sexual pleasure. One hadith said that three things mohammed loved most are: perfume (the reason muslims are the highest users of perfumes), prayer and women. How can someone who called himself a prophet find it hard to live a decent and sex-free life, even for a short period?