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Demmzy15:
[size=18pt]Reasonable human beings, who has watched "San Andreas 2015" starring Dwayne Johnson(D Rock)?? [/size]

Is the film about islamic terrorism or what?

Altaqiyya is part of islamic iran shia doctrine and even their pedophilee profit mohamMAD said and I quote, 'war is deceit'. So what iran did is islamically ok.

bookceleb:
sources and references:
each verse of the Quran has causes of revelations.
this can all be found in the Tafsir of the Quran.
you can get Tafsir of the Quran by ibn kathir and read that verse.ul get your explanation there.

So you mean i cant understand the quran without reading the tasfir by ibn kathir? So quran is so complex? I taught muslims say quran is so easy to read and understand, then im wrong.

No muslim will answer that. Surely satan lives in mina\mecca hence the need to stone him. That is the folly of ignorant muslims.

The bible says 'the weapon of our warfare are not carnal (like stoning the devil physically) but mighty throught God to the pulling down of strongthholds (islamic deceit), casting down imaginations and bringing into subjections all thoughts to the obedience of christ'.

So muslims symbolic stoning of satan is both an idolaterous and carnal practice without any spiritual value.

omonnakoda:
Your mother is frustrated she will die frustrated

Be mature please, if you can't handle pressure and arguments on nairaland you can choose to be an observer or mere reader.

Obama scammed the US people big time. How can someone who frequently bash christianity and praise islam be a true christian? Ben Carson only said what an average american know and thinks but couldnt say it out because of political correctness. An openly confessing muslim can never be an American president. Obama played a smart one and it worked, but another fake christian might not play the Americans for the second time.

Annunaki:
I trust you as you are a well trained al taquiya expert

Altaqiyya is the 6th pillar of islam. Mohammed used and advocated it. See hadith below and see for yourself:

Bukhari Volume 3, Book 49, Number 857: Narrated Um Kulthum bint Uqba: That she heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “He who makes peace between the people by INVENTING good information or saying good things, is not a liar.”

Muslim Book 032, Number 6303: Humaid b. ‘Abd al-Rahman b. ‘Auf reported that his mother Umm Kulthum daughter of ‘Uqba b. Abu Mu’ait, and she was one amongst the first emigrants who pledged allegiance to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him), as saying that she heard Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: A liar is not one who tries to bring reconciliation amongst people and speaks good (in order to avert dispute), or he conveys good.

So lying is a normative islam, it is not a sin (as long as it is for the promotion of islam and the defense of uncle mohammed and allahh).

Just as the Europeans and the Americans use their multinational companies to control the third and developing world, the Saudis use Islam to promote Arab culture and exploit most part of the third and developing world, in africa and southeast Asia, via hajj and some other cultural destruction means. The Saudis shamelessly blamed Africans for the hajj death while Iran blamed the Saudis for the death. Can you imagine the Saudis telling lies to the entire global media in order to paint Africans bad? Africans, most of who sold all what they have in order to serve Arabian idol in mecca still have to be humiliated by their Saudi masters.

The Europeans and the Americans might be very greedy in that they exploit the resources if the poor countries for the gains of their multinational companies, but the European still built our bridges, railway lines, telecommunications system, avionics, modern health systems etc. Meanwhile the only Arabian multinational company, the mosques and Arabian cultural centres, produce more misery, violence and poverty. The expulsion of Arabs from our daily life is long over due. The rejection of mohammed and his sharia is good for the wellbeing of humanity, and africans in particular.

hahn:
What if it is the truth?

What if it is a lie.

To butress on parissadict's points, Islam is an extremely racist cult -declaring the Arabs to be the finest people on earth - and sanctioning slavery of the inferior non-Arabs.

From sacred Islamic text, the biography of Muhammad, these words inspire racism and consequent slavery (Ishaq, p. 243): "I heard the Apostle say: 'Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal!' He was a black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks...Allah sent down concerning him: 'To those who annoy the Prophet there is a painful doom." [9:61] "Jibril came to Muhammad and said, 'If a black man comes to you his heart is more gross than a donkey's.'"

Some 120 million blacks perished in the Islamic slavery holocaust. 75% of blacks died on the way to market and thos black men who survived were castrated by the Muslim overlords "based on the assumption that the blacks had an ungovernable sexual appetite."

www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/25/iran-blames-saudi-government-hajj-disaster-investigation

Iran now blame saudi arabia for the death of pilgrims after saudi barbarians have blamed africans for the death. Can you see how Islam is playing on collective human intelligence? Who is right? Saudi or Iran?

truthman2012:
Huumh!!

Very serious.

Clearly, the god of islam hates the black. Then, why do black muslims love Muhammad so much in return for his hate? Smh!

It is illiteracy and sometimes stupidity. How can our ancestors be enslaved by mohammed and some africans still spend money visiting his idol in the arabia and lose their lives in the process? Sane people will never do that. The arabs will keep laughing at the stupidity of some africans.

Acjohn:
You can say that again. But unfortunately they will call you the bad egg. I watched a movie with the title Fico Dafur, where the persecuted blacks say the oppression they suffer is racial. Those in the other northern African countries will say the same. But I wonder why they won't wake up. They hate themselves in the east and treat those from Africa as slaves. no wonder it is the west that is embracing their brothers because they don't like each other.

They are using africans as scape goats again for their inadeqacies. Most africans in mecca for hajj might have saved for several months\years in order to make the trip and only for them to be blamed for tradegies caused by the saudi authorities (bad security arrangement and not prepared for so much crowd).

This reminds me on the hadith by mohammed:
Bukhari (Book #87, Hadith #161) Narrated ‘Abdullah: The Prophet said, “I saw (in a dream) a black woman with unkempt hair going out of Medina and settling at Mahai’a, i.e., Al-Juhfa. I interpreted that as a symbol of epidemic of Medina being transferred to that place (Al-Juhfa).”

Any bad thing that happen in medina must be caused by africans, so say the islamic prophet.

The head of the Central Hajj Committee, Prince Khaled al-Faisal, blamed the stampede on "some pilgrims from African nationalities," Saudi-owned al-Arabiya TV channel reported. Source:
www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/09/pilgrims-killed-hajj-stampede-mina-mecca-150924082302232.html

What? The stampede was not caused by the saudi's poor security arrangement, it was not caused by muslims. It was not caused by saudi greed for more pilgrims and more money. The stampede was not caused by uncontrollable crowd trying to stone the elusive devil.

The stampede was caused by 'african pilgrims'. What an insult to the black race who are wasting their money, energy, time and resources on the saudi govt and their arabian god, allahh. It is time africans, i means black, boycot this purely racist and supremacist arab imprelialist religion.

For the fact that mohammed take many blacks as slaves make black muslims the most ignorant people on earth, to say the least (I am also a blackman).

Islam have no regard for black people with this official statement from the saudi authorities.

Demmzy15:
Due to your ignorance and stronghead to the truth, you can never learn. Some posts I didn't reply to you would be in due time, I just felt this ignorance you've displayed here can't be ignored. The pictures shows Christians doing the act of Self-Flagellation you accuse the Shias of:

https://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/218972/slide_218972_845635_free.jpg

https://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/218972/slide_218972_845310_free.jpg

https://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/218972/slide_218972_845372_free.jpg

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They're Filipino Christians http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1405551

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This act was carried out by Christians for many years until it was banned recently. But still Christians today still do it, looks like the Shias emulate Christians. The Christians taught them this!

Yes, catholics do this and it is against biblical teachings. Christians are not commanded to inflict damage on themselves for the remembrance of the death of christ. The shia are here emulating the massacre mohammed's grandchildren faced in the hand of soldiers loyal to aisha, mohammed's child-bride.

dalaman:
Muslims have been stoning this elusive satan for over 1000 years but he has refused to die or be bothered. Religion really turns people into robots.

The devil must be residing in kabba\saudi arabia but refused to leave, even after over 1400 years of islamic stonning. The satan must be so strong to remain in mecca after receiving billions of stonings.

How can a normal human being spend thousands of naira only to go stoning an elusive devil and die in the process?

The shia/sunni conflict always remind me of the game of throne movie where 7 families were fighting on who will destroy the lanisters so that they can take over the leadership of the 7 kingdoms. Here the Sunnis (the saudis) defeated the shia (Iraq and Iran) to assume leadership of the Muslim world.

If someone can inflict such a harm on oneself, in remembrance of the killings of Mohammed's grandchildren (in the battle of Karbala), what else can we say the Muslims can't do?

Killings and bodily harms is a normative islam. The half brother of the religion of peace, the shia, holding the ashura festival in remembrance sunni massacres of Mohammed's family.

Satan symbolically lives in kabba, mecca, hence muslim pilgrims have to keep stoning satan. But you know what, satan refused to leave kabba.

This is the second episode of the 'special' father-daughter relationship between 'prophet' mohammed and his lovely daugher, fathima. Except otherwise stated, all information is gotten from authentic islamic source, sahih bhukhari (the most reliable hadith).


This incident of Muhammad’s entering Fatima’s house at midnight to discuss some useless matter was not a rare or one-off incident. Many hadiths report occasions of Muhammad entering Fatima’s house quite often at the dead of night and I created a thread where mohammed entered fathimah's house (at midnight) and saw fathima and Ali on the bed and he joined them on their matrimonial bed to give them a special advise. See the link below:

www.nairaland.com/2612622/mohammed-fathima-special-father-daughter/1#38256856

This episode is the concluding part of the story and I wish all and assundry will give logic a chance while we analyse this special kind of a father-daughter relationship. This is another hadith on mohammed's visit of his married daughter at the dead of the night:

Narrated ‘Ali: That one night Allah’s Apostle came to him and Fatima and said, “Don’t you (both offer the (Tahajjud) (Mid-night) prayer?” Ali said, ‘When Allah wishes us to get up, we get up.” The Prophet then recited: ‘But man is more quarrelsome than anything.’ (Sahih Al- Bukhari 2:21:227,6:60:248; Sahih Muslim 4:1701)

Just wonder: Why the prophet had to enter Fatima’s bedroom at the dead of night just to ask such questions. Why cant he wait and pass his message during the day?

HASSAN RESEMBLED GRANDFATHER MUHAMMAD, NOT FATHER ALI! Narrated ‘Uqba bin Al-Harith: I saw Abu Bakr (Aisha's father) carrying Al-Hasan and saying, “Let my father be sacrificed for you; you resemble the Prophet and not Ali,” while Ali was laughing at this. (Sahih Al-Bukhari 5:57:93) Narrated Isma’il bin Abi Khalid: I heard Abii Juhaifa saying, “I saw the Prophet, and Al-Hasan bin ‘Ali resembled him….” (Sahih Al-Bukhari 4:56:744).

If we join 2 plus 2 we might have a clue of what the result could be. We all know, from the hadith, that mohammed usually visit his daughter at night and when fathima gave birth, the grand-son resembled the grandfather. Besides, hassan is highly revered by the 'prophet' than any other child. In fact among the shia muslims, hassan came second only after 'prophet' mohammed and a special shrine was built for him after he was slaughterd in the battle of karbala. And shia pilgrims visit his grave in the yearly ashura festival just as sunni muslims also revered mohammed's grave.

My question is this, does hassan's resemblance of mohammed has anything to do with mohammed's frequent nightly visit of fathima? Could it be a mere genetical make-up of fathima that was passed down to hassan (I am not good at biological science)? I am short of questions and people can add more because I need this resemblance to be debated.

People might say it is impossible for the prophet to do something silly. Well the prophet is still human, even in the bible something happened between Lot and his two daughters. In Nigeria, we read, almost on a monthly basis, fathers havin a carnal knowledge of their daughter. While this act is detestable and condemnable, it does happen.

So let set the ball rolling and I dont think that there should be a sacred cow, irrespective of who or highly placed the person might be, either in our religion, tribe or race.

Oya na, lets 'goes there'.

Al-taqiyya muslim is already an american president, President Mubarrak Hussein Obama. So Oladegbu it is possibe once a muslim can effectively deceive infidel americans that he goes to church, gullible americans will vote him.

Myde4naija:
If your thought is deep those statement goes beyond ur actual translation, every hadith and every Quran verse have reasons and events beneath them? Is not intelligent enough for u to pick up a verse of Quran and conclude on it that the beloved prophet of God is evil or command evil........

Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whetherman or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB) is it right for me to rely on this verse of the bible and say bible cammand evil too

Yes you have every right to criticise any aspect of the bible that you dont like while i have right to criticise any action of mohammed\quran\hadith that seem bad and unreasonable. But allahh never condemn the bible in anyway, he even asked muslims to inquire from the 'people of the book' (jews and christians) in matter not clear to them.

You can condemn part of the bible but allahh never did that.

parisbookaddict:
mohammed was a pervert. His deeds in the quran have clearly established that.

He left his child bride to go step on his son inlaw's and daughters chest on their matrimonial bed on such an ungodly hour.

Mohammed is the lunatics prophet.

Yes, mohammed is a lunatic. I perfectly agree. How can a sane father visit a daugher at 12midnite and sit\sleep on their matromial bed while the couple are on the same bed? Meanwhile no muslim had said that the hadith was fabricated or weak, a usual islamic defense, which means that all schools of islamic jurispudence agree with this hadith.

The lame excuse one of them give is that 'it is because of the love he has for his daughter'. A yoruba proverbs says 'there is no love a father can have for his daughter that he will take her for a wife'. And going by mohammed's insatiable lust for women, i would not want to offend the sensiblity of nairaland muslims by not saying what i have on my mind.

The fact remains, mohammed's conduct here is not an example to follow. It is fraught with irresponsibility for a man who called himself a 'prophet'.

Myde4naija:
Everything muhammed said about you xtians has been established, and a typical example is this article, xtians have a movement to make Islam evil and that's all you do now.

You asked for a proove and I showed you. What I expected you to do is to tell me that those verses are not in the quran or the hadiths are fabricated but you did not. Is it the christians that wrote the quran and the hadith? Nawa for you ooo.

Myde4naija:
Please proof to me Muhammed preaches hatred. Cos I know u r consume by ur fellow Islamophobes junks and likes

The following can be of help to you, they are mohammed's instructions:

Qur’an 5:51—O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

Quran 9:29-Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

Qur’an 9:30—And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away.

Qur’an 98:6—Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein. They (the christians and the Jews) are the worst of creatures.

Sahih Muslim 4366—Muhammad said: “I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.”

Al-Bukhari, Al-Adab al-Mufrad 1103 —Muhammad said: “Do not give the People of the Book the greeting first. Force them to the narrowest part of the road.”

vooks:
Apart from being a pedophile, was there something going on, like |ncest between the two?

That aside,
I have in mind 2 adults sleeping on the same bed and a third one joining them and somewhat wriggling between the couple so much that his feet touched the man's chest. What sitting or sleeping position was that?

Or.....did Mohammed hop onto the bed and stood between them?

But he was seated



Did he seat somewhere off the bed and then stretched his legs between them?

So happy that muslims never say the hadith was fabricated, a normative islamic deflection strategy.

How can a father-in-law stretch his length leg such that the son-in-law felt it on his chest, on his daughter's matrimonial bed?

You will agree with me that in those days there is no electricity and perharp the only visible sign of light could be a dim candle in the house, that is if there is any. Can't mohammed wait till the following morning before the visit? Is the room so small that mohammed must share the same bed with his daughter and son-in-law? Is it a single room apartment? Is there no unmarried neighbour that mohammed can pass the night in his house without inconvenienting the couple? So many questions can be raised from this single questionable scene.

Myde4naija:
Your rational thought get you blind from reality, moreover tell me the sharia country you know is underdeveloped.

I can see you level of insecurity. I wont derail this thread with your question, that is a typical islamic deflection. Face the OP or create a thread on your question, I will be the first person to respond.

Can your father-in-law be unreasonable enough to visit you by 12midnite, even when the life of his daughter is never in danger, and sit on your matrimonial bed where you and your wife are sleeping?

Myde4naija:
The Islamophobes will not think in ur direction, no matter what they think Muhammed is the greatest of all time.

Islamophobes are more rational and logical in reasoning, and that is why most Islamophobes countries are more developed and wealthy than sharia complaint countries.

Can your father-in-law be unreasonable enough to visit you by 12midnite, even when the life of his daughter is never in danger, and sit on your matrimonial bed where you and your wife are sleeping?

Anas09:
Muhammed was indeed very close to his daughter. I think he ever saw her as his little girl. And besides, her husband was present nah, if her husband walked in on them, I would ve raised one eyebrow, but I think Muhammed treated both of them as his children, so I don't really count his actions as wrong. My thought though.

There are boundaries that should never be crossed even if you love your daughter so much. A daughter that had married need privacy with her husband and the father has no right to visit at 12midnite let alone sit\sleep on their matrimonial bed. A father's love for her daughter should be discretional in many cases that has to do with her marital life and matrimony.

On this issue, mohammed was wrong to have done such a nocturnal visit. If the life of her danger was in danger it will be a different issue. Mohammed should have waited till morning before his visit and shouldn't have sit\sleep on the same bed Ali and fathima share.

johnydon22:
I believe my post was clear enough but since you want me to say it again.…I know you only want to be mischievous and rub it on the face of muslims how fvcked up their prophet was, but i will oblige you because we share the same sentiment on that


Hell yes he was, real real stupiiiiiiiiiid, deserving confirm slap...

I think I share your view. It is only a stupid father-in-law that will visit his daughter around 12am and sit in their matrimonial bed. And since mohammed is a perfect example for muslims, this dastardly act must be very acceptable in islam and to muslims.

johnydon22:
Asin front and back slap... My father in-law surely wouldn't be that stupi_d

Are you insinuating that the islamic prophet must be stupidd for acting like that?