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Maamin:
Answer the OP my friend.

Where do you want him to get the response from? From the mosque? Never.

Islam and paganism are inseparable.

Demmzy15:
Old man respect ya self!

May you also grow old. Oya say 'amen' (even silently in your heart)

haftob:
U sound lyk an most atheists to me,it's nt dat u don't come in terms with Islam and it teachings it just dat u av a grudge with it.

Im not an atheist. I have experienced the power of God in my life twice.

Just that islam is fake and its sustenace lies on ignorance (by its adherants), lies, threats and propaganda.

haftob:
Ohk, tanx. About if his cramming was recited correctly; Angel gabriel used to come every night during the month of ramadan to come and revise it with him to make sure he dint forget anytin during his lifetime. And about if those who wrote it down actually wrote the correct things they heard; Muhammed was teaching them as he was being taught too in oral form and they memorise it also. The compilation(writing) started some yrs after his death and ppl dat already memorised the whole quran were called to recite it and it was being written down.

The Quran was actually revealed in piecemeal for 21 yrs as events occured, so each verse has a significance and reason why it was revealed. There was a man during the time of Muhammad named Ibn kathir, anytime Muhammad taught them a verse,he'll ask the reason behind the revelation and he would be told, so this man wrote a tafsir(commentary) book on the Quran.

Angel gabriel used to visit mohammed to revise a revelation with mohammed during the month of ramadan so that mohammed do not forget. After the revision mohammed will dictate it to his sahabas (fellow touts) who later composed the quran 'accurately' for muslims to be reciting too.

How does the explanation above sound to youe hearing? If someone open his common sense he will easily know that it is a pack of lies and usual brainwashing done in every mosque and madrasas.

I willl rather believe my yoruba teacher who told me that 'orunmila' fall from the sky and created the world (with egg) than believe all this angel gabriel verses mohammed bullshitt you just typed above.

mustymatic:
Abu Jafar Ar-Razi said that Ar-Rabi bin Anas said that Abu Al-Aliyah commented on what Allah said: (And fight in the way of Allah those who fight you), "This was the first Ayah about fighting that was revealed in Al-Madinah. Ever since it was revealed, Allah's Messenger used to fight only those who fought him and avoid non-combatants. Later, Surah Bara'h was revealed.'' Abdur-Rahman bin Zayd bin Aslam said similarly, then he said that; this was later abrogated by the Ayah: (then kill them wherever you find them), (9:5). However, this statement is not plausible, because Allah's statement: (...those who fight you) applies only to fighting the enemies who are engaged in fighting Islam and its people. So the Ayah means, `Fight those who fight you', just as Allah said in another Ayah: (...and fight against the Mushrikin collectively as they fight against you collectively), (9:36). This is why Allah said later in the Ayah: (And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out), meaning, `Your energy should be spent on fighting them, just as their energy is spent on fighting you, and on expelling them from the areas from which they have expelled you, as a law of equality in punishment.'

Al-Bukhari recorded that Nafi said that; two men came to Ibn Umar during the conflict of Ibn Az-Zubayr and said to him, "The people have fallen into shortcomings and you are the son of Umar and the Prophet's Companion. Hence, what prevents you from going out?'' He said, "What prevents me is that Allah has for bidden shedding the blood of my (Muslim) brother.'' They said, "Did not Allah say: (And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah)!'' He said, "We did fight until there was no more Fitnah and the religion became for Allah Alone. You want to fight until there is Fitnah and the religion becomes for other than Allah!''

Uthman bin Salih added that; a man came to Ibn Umar and asked him, "O Abu Abdur-Rahman! What made you perform Hajj one year and Umrah another year and abandon Jihad in the cause of Allah, although you know how much He has encouraged performing it!'' He said, "O my nephew! Islam is built on five (pillars): o believing in Allah and His Messenger, o the five daily prayers, o fasting Ramadan, o paying the Zakah and o performing Hajj (pilgrimage) to the House.'' They said, "O Abu Abdur-Rahman! Did you not hear what Allah said in His Book: And if two parties (or groups) among the believers fall to fighting, then make peace between them both. But if one of them outrages against the other, then fight you (all) against the one that which outrages till it complies with the command of Allah. (49:9) and, (And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief). He said, "That we did during the time of Allah's Messenger when Islam was still weak and (the Muslim) man used to face trials in his religion, such as killing or torture. When Islam became stronger (and apparent), there was no more Fitnah.''

Nansense as usual. So allahh\quran is so complex that you have to juxtapose different confusing and irrelevant verse to proove nothing. Absolute nansense.

Mohammed and allahh are not serios. Why dont u explain away Quran 2:256 (There shall be nocompulsion in [acceptance of] the religion.) the same way do vainly attempted to confuse us on quran 9:29 (fighting those who dont believe in allahh and mohammed).

Islam is a pack of lies and confusions and you are an accomplice in this arabian lies. Thank God for the internet.

mustymatic:
If there's any

Quran 2:256, There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing (when mohammed was normal).

Quran 9:29, Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled (after mohammed became a thief and a criminal).

Do you need more?

2 armed muslims shot dead while attempting to massacre contestants at Draw mohammed cartoon contest.
www.cnn.com/2015/05/03/us/mohammed-drawing-contest-shooting/

9 people sentenced to death, in nigeria, for insulting mohammed. www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-33283261

Saudi arabia sentence a man to death for renouncing islam and tearing the quran:
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/saudiarabia/11431509/Saudi-Arabia-court-gives-death-penalty-to-man-who-renounced-his-Muslim-faith.html

Presbulg:
Lol... Same old nonsense

You listed 5 reasons which to me are false and you couldn't state where they are stated in the Quran. I'm not surprised.

The usual is to go to google and pick verses from the Quran that suits your agenda.

FYI, pls don't stop deceiving yourself you know about Islam

Usual islamic denial and lying industry. Keep defending the evils of the arabs against humanity.

See few evidence below and stop lying for allahh (aka mohammed)

Presbulg:
Spewing rubbish as usual. You can't defend those question then you delve into giving out your own opinion which to me is rubbish.

Suddenly the old testament in the word of God authored by God himself has nothing to do with Christianity but history ?? Do you actually believe that ?

LOL and the songs of solomon was apparently written by God too ?

If you want to learn about the prophet(SAW)
You need to read the quran and not some book authored by people to suit their agenda.

The bible was written by men and contains historic accounts as well. The bible, unlike the quran, was written by forty men and it took over two millenia for it to be compiled together and called a bible. Hence you can never rule out human errors, though divinely inspired. It is human beings that God used in writing the bible.

Quran was written by one man who claim to get revelations from allahh and always abrogate\cancel out verses at will. The same one man plagarized some of the works of forty men (bible) and claim divine inspiration. Only a fool will believe that one-man mopol.

Presbulg:
Lol... You guys want answers but your hearts are not opened at all.

By' right' in that context it means you cannot just kill a person without a definite reason for doing so.

And some of the rights have been explained up there like when you are oppressed by an enemy which to me is self defense.

For example if you kill somebody who was trying to kill you , do you think God will punish you ??


If you want proper knowledge about Islam you can't be doing 'cut and paste' , just choosing a single verse to suit your agendas
You need to read the verses before and after those cut and paste.

Thank You

By 'right' is an open-ended word that can mean many things, especially with regards to current argument.

You non-arab muslims have little or no understanding of original (arab) muslims' beliefs and psychology hence always spending hours\days defending the evils of islam.

1) If a muslim leaves islam by 'right' he\she will be killed for the sins of apostasy.

2) If a non-muslim blasphem\insult mohammed, especially in muslim countries, he\she , by 'right' will be killed.

3) If a non-muslim stands against the way of allahh and his prophet mohammed, by 'right' he\she will be killed.

4) If anyone draws a carricature of mohammed, by 'right' he\she will be killed.

5) If anyone tear a copy of the quran mistakingly or deliberately, in a public place in an islamic country, by 'right' he\she will be killed.

So muslims have many 'rights' to kill for allahh and his beloved prophet. You can deny as usual but I will provide proove for all these afore-mentioned muslims right to kill for allahh. If you are black muslim, I am speechless cos 99% of black muslims are ignorant of islam.

Fya, I am an informed blackman about islam.

aminusanti:
Its almost impossible to make you guys understand as you solely depend on copy and paste approach without further reading and understanding, whats the essence of the argument if i have to give you proof upon proof but to no avail.. All the verses you quoted are out of context.. All the violent verses that i mentioned in the Bible if you are to read them you will for sure say it teaching terrorism but its not but you can only understand that by doing proper research and same goes to other books/research not just copy n paste pls. now a days seeking knowledge is at your finger tips (mobile phones), you can get all the necessary info you need without having to touch a book if you r lazy or find it time wasting.. it wont take you 10mins to get the correct understand of all these verses you mentioned above but no bcus you just bliv is a false teaching.

PLS seek proper knowledge

If you are analytical enough you will discovered that what I wrote are not copy and paste. I dont think I am too intelligent for you to assume I did a 'copy and paste', neither do I condemn anyone that copied and pasted anything, as long as it makes sense.

We understand the evil side of mohammed\islam bro and the hadith and quran text that justifies islamic evils. It is always a standard muslim argument to assume that there are violent passages in the bible hence it is also normal to have violent passages in the quran. This is one of the quack global islamic logic.

While violent passages in the bible are historical accounts of international violent occurences bw the Jews and her neighbours, the violent passages in the quran are instructions from allahh.

Ok, I want u to explain this verse of the quran in your own words.

Quran 9:29:Fight those who do not believe in allahh or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what allahh and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture (the Jews and the christians)- [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

aminusanti:
Mr True2god pls what religion are u into?
This is exactly what am saying about, assumptions and going with what you heard from people and media and making overall judgement
Talking about Conquering the world, does dat make any sense to you? so, if today few Hindu or Buddhist appear saying we most conquer the world then will have it in you all hindus and bhudist are having the same idea?...and please if you are sure of what you are saying point out where Qur'an order to kill without valid reason?

It is true that some Muslims manipulate these verses for their own goals such as boko haram. But this is not only with Islamic texts, it is also true with the texts of other religions. I can quote dozens of verses from the Bible which seem very violent, if taken out from their historical context. These Biblical texts have been used by many violent Jewish and Christian groups. Crusaders used them against Muslims and Jews. Nazis used them against Jews. Recently Serbian Christians used them against Bosnian Muslims. Zionists are using them regularly against Palestinians. Similarly, that how it goes to any religion if people failed to understand the meaning and it teachings

'If you say quran preach violence, the bible also have violent passages', this is the universal muslims response to infidels, especially christians, whenever they are accused of being a violent religion and that quran sanctioned violence against non-muslims.

The violence\war recorded in the old testament is a history and not a command. The Jews have hostile neighbours and always in conflict, till date, against their neighbours. All those past incidence are recorded in the torah (old testament) for historical purpose and not for a religious purpose.

The quranic verses that urged violence is rather an instruction to commit murder against non-muslims who do not accept allahh as god and mohammed as a prophet. The quran\mohammed even urged muslims not to take christians and jews as friends (quran 5:51) while Jesus asked us to love our neighbours. Mohammed\quran also urged muslims to fight christians and jews until they are humiliated and made to pay jizya (quran 9:29) while Jesus asked christians to return back whatsoever you might have taken from someone unlawfully.
While mohammed cursed the Jews and christians for associating partners with God (quran 9:30), Jesus urged his disciples to bless whoever is their perceived enemies.

In light of all this, how can a sane man call mohammed a prophet? Mohammed by any moral standard is never qualified to be a prophet cos he created current propblems bw the arab\muslim world against the non-muslim world. He is a man of violence, a warlord and a criminal, judging by current moral standard.

mustymatic:
Would you like me to show you some 50 contradiction from the Bible?
Quran has no contradiction, Muhammad was unlettered, if he were able to read and write you would say he read the Bible and changed some portion, but this was from his lord... An unlettered prophet with the most perfect Scripture revealed by only him and not edited by many

Do you want to see contraditions in the quran?

haftob:
Mohammed was unarguable an illiterate but I want u to go over the quran with an unbiased mind and ask urself, can an illiterate compose this?

I have read the quran. One thing I notice is that the order of arrangement is poor. You cant read a 20 successsive verse and make any meaning out of it cos it will make no sense (you can proove me wrong).

It has no any chapter that write history of whatever significance. Most of it short stories are lifted directly from the bible with minor modifications to suit islamic arguments.

aminusanti:
Apostasy is punishable by death

your photoshoped pic look good and fake i guess thats what is making islam the fastest growing religion in the world

pls provide me with the verse frm quran if psible

You cant deceive us again, the hadith help us in understanding the quran better. The sahih Bukhari is the most reliable islamic text after the quran. See the hadith below that sanction killing of apostates in islam.

Bukhari (52:260) – “…The Prophet said, ‘If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.’ ” Bukhari (83:37) – “Allah’s Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate.”

Bukhari (84:57) – [In the words of] “Allah’s Apostle, ‘Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'” Bukhari (89:271) – A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to “the verdict of Allah and his apostle.” Bukhari (84:64-65) – “Allah’s Apostle: ‘During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.'”

Abu Dawud (4346) – “Was not there a wise man among you who would stand up to him when he saw that I had withheld my hand from accepting his allegiance, and kill him?” Muhammad is chastising his companions for allowing an apostate to “repent” under duress. (The person in question was Muhammad’s former scribe who left him after doubting the authenticity of divine “revelations” upon finding out that he could suggest grammatical changes. He was brought back to Muhammad after having been captured in Medina).

Reliance of the Traveller (Islamic Law) o8.1 – “When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed.” (o8.4 affirms that there is no penalty for killing an apostate). The contemporary (i.e., 1991) Al-Azhar (Cairo) Islamic Research Academy endorsed manual of Islamic Law, Umdat al-Salik (pp. 595-96) states: “Leaving Islam is the ugliest form of unbelief (kufr) and the worst…. When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostasizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed. In such a case, it is obligatory…to ask him to repent and return to Islam. If he does it is accepted from him, but if he refuses, he is immediately killed.”

If you dont believe in these hadiths then you must stop praying 5 times a day, you must not visit mecca again, you must not believe in the 5 pillars of islam again, you must not wash yourself again before entering any mosques. Non of these practices can be found in the quran but are all in the hadith.

@ aminusanti, haven't you noticed that muslims are the only religious group worldwide that usually go on riots, lootings and killing spree immediately after their friday prayer? That is to tell you that most 'sermons' muslims hear in their mosques, especially in the arab world, are usually inciting them to violence.

Even here in nigeria I have heard many christian bashing preachings in their mosques and open air 'public lectures'.

No one is misunderstanding islam, non-arab muslims are the only ones misunderstanding islam. Arab muslims see islam and a religio-political ideology, sanctioned by allahh, that is bent on global conquest and expansion. That is why quran urged muslims to kill any infidel that stands on the way of islam\allahh.

And remember the islamic ellusive motto: ISLAM MUST CONQUER THE WORLD.

I have never heard any hindu man say 'hindu will conquer the world'. I have never heard any bhudist saying 'bdudda will conquer the world'. I have never heard any christian saying 'christianity will conquer the world'. It is only muslims that want to conquer the world.

Islamic world has multiple problems since the accursed book, quran, was released into the islamic world market.

ISLAM IN SUMMARY:
"While you are the stronger I ask of you my freedom since that is your principle; but when I am the stronger I will remove your freedom since that is my principle.” Louis Veuillot

Demmzy15:
Looks like you haven't taken your meds, please do!

We have to save your soul from the claw of allahh (satan in disguise).

Demmzy15:
Let's see how far this campaign would go, remember that the Quran is not the bible!

My friend this is not the first time the quran will be revised. What makes this one special is that syria is doing the revision in order to provoke the sunni world (Assad is an alawite, a branch of shia islam) instead of saudi arabia.

So the saudis and the sunnis should chill and let the shia have their quran which will further abrogate some of the anti-christian and anti-infidels violence hate-filled verses

quran 9:5 strike off or behead the heads of unbelivers after the holy months of ramadan.

“Satan has gained possession of The People of The Book (Jews and Christians) and caused them to forget Allah’s warnings. They are the confederates of Satan; Satan’s confederates shall assuredly be lost in hell. The Believers are the confederates of Allah (Hizbollah); and Allah’s confederates shall surely triumph”. Koran 58:19

“We will put terror into the hearts of the unbelievers (Jews and Christians). They serve other Gods for whom no sanction has been revealed. Hell shall be their home; dismal indeed is the dwelling place of the evil-doers”. Koran 3:149

“Do you fear the unbelievers (Jews and Christians)? Surely Allah is more worthy of your fear. If you are true believers make war on them; Allah will chastise them through you and humble them. He will grant you victory over them and heal the spirit of the faithful”. Koran 9:14

@ Demmzy15, the president of syria had ordered the revision of the quran so that 'misleading' verses could be removed. www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syrian-president-bashar-alassad-updates-koran-to-stop-distortion-or-misleading-information-10395565.html

Is he not going against the words of allahh? Is he going to revise the hadiths too? Will saudi wahabis and salafis be happy with this move? Will the sunni world get mad at him and direct more terrorist act against the syrian regime?

Remember, allahh's words cannot change(Surah 6:34; 6:115; 18:27)

My friend islam is a hoax. The quicker you leave this evil ideology the better.

Blackfire:
if god cant ve a son, then is a haram for him to ve slaves. Understand now?

Are you a christian or a muslim?