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Demmzy15:
Yes you're entitled but you have no right to lie and spread falsehood.



What brought Wahabis into this issue now? Can't you be reasonable for once, at lest just once!



So they aren't free to go to where they want to again?

[color=#000050]Turkey hosts 1,758,092 refugees, Lebanon hosts 1,196,560, Jordan hosts 628,427, Iraq Kurdistan hosts 247,861, Egypt hosts 133,862, Algeria hosts 25,000, Bahrain hosts 5,000, Besieged Gaza Strip hosts 1000, etc [/color]

These are the ones we know, but you're lamenting and opening your brown teeth just because a few thousand entered into Europe. What is amazing is that this countries you criticise contribute humanitarian aids to Palestinians in which many are Christians, but your primitive brain doesn't know that. You prefer to play religion about everything thing!



So according to your indomie brain this are people collecting Jizyah (?!)
https://www.unhcr.org/thumb1/542149cf6.jpg https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/imagecache/mbdxxlarge/mritems/Images/2015/3/27/9f6210a2446542798a062c94d662805c_18.jpg
https://blogs.worldbank.org/arabvoices/files/arabvoices/syria_turkey_refugees_unhcr.jpg

From all observations you're nothing but tyrant, oppressor. So you want them to suffer an unjust war just because they're Muslims?!



You have no sense!!! I'm coming to the nonsense you wrote in which I stroked earlier!

Keep deceiving yourself, most of the fake 'refugees' are morrocans, sudanese, eritreans, tunisians, afgans, somalis and some other muslim countries without crisis. They are all running away from an islamically-induced poverty, and autocratic govt, ravaging their islamic hell-holes. Without oil and gas, all muslim countries are poor because of their heavy investment in the promotion of arab culture, religion and superstitutions instead of investing in western education, research and developmemt (like japan, china, south korea).

Until muslims countries come to realize that they have been scammed for over 1400 by the arabs\saudis, they will remain in poverty and will keep running to europe and american (built by infidels). Memorizing the quran will make muslims poorer and will continue staying at the buttom of human capital development index.

Truth is bitter, muslims are the first victims of islamic filths.

proo212:
I noticed you tell a lot falsehood on this forum or perhaps you're being deliberately provocative. I have taken the liberty of quoting from the more liberal websites to show that OLAADEGBU is correct. The muslims threw the christians overboard and these included fellow Nigerians

Shame on you Demmzy15

Lying is normative islam, no shame in islamic lying industry. The pedophille prophet even approve of telling lies.

Demmzy15:
What has church in Saudi Arabia got to do with innocent asylum seekers? Must everything be about religion? You being an old man should at lest caution your boys to watch their mouths, especially that coward true2god!!

True2god is entitled to his opinion. If you dont like that you can migrate to saudi arabia where muslims are perfectly free to practice their religion in an orthodox wahabi fashion. Muslims should rather be migrating to iran, saudi arabia, sudan, yemen, kuwait, qatar, uae and other oil rich arab countries.

It is amazing that muslims hate muslim countries but prefer kafir countries where they will be entitled to jizya (free medical, free house, good food, good whether, nice infrasctructure and beautiful kafir girls to rape).

Of course allahh\mohammed are all-knowing.

truthman2013:
Quran 2:191 – “And kill them wherever you find
them…"


Critics as usual apply ‘cut and choose’ approach with regards to this passage (Quran 2:191). They only quote, “And kill them wherever you find them…(2:191). However, when we read the passage in its context (2:190-195) it says opposite what they portray of the verse.

Quran 2:190 – 195
2:190 Fight in the way of God those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. God does not like transgressors.

2:191 And kill them wherever you find them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you , and fitnah [Persecution] is worse than killing . And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there . But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

2:192 And if they cease, then indeed, God is Forgiving and Merciful.
2:193 Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah [Persecution] and [until] worship is for God. But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.
2:194 [Fighting in] the sacred month is for [aggression committed in] the sacred month, and for [all] violations is legal retribution. So whoever has assaulted you, thenassault him in the same way that he has assaulted you. And fear God and know that God is with those who fearHim.
2:195 And spend in the way of God and do not throw [yourselves] with your [own] hands into destruction [by refraining]. And do good; indeed, God loves the doers.of good.

It’s important whenever one reads a Quranic verse, to read it in its context. As you have read, critics only quote the part which suites them, they isolate previous verses and the ones after. When the passage is examined in context, it is clear that nowhere does it sanction the killing of innocent people. From verse 2:190 to 2:195, when read, Allah makes it evident to fight those only who fight them, fighting in self-defence.

Another thing critics love to do with the passage is, change the Arabic word’s meaning. Example, the Arabic word ‘Fitna’ used in 2:191 and 2:193, Islamophobes have translated the word as ‘disbelief’. So, when it’s read in that perspective, the passage is implying to fight to those who are disbelievers, just because of their religion. This again when we examine it, it will turn out to be a lie. The Arabic word ‘Fitnah’ means ‘persecution’,‘corruption’, ‘sedition’. But when the word ‘Fitnah’ is used in verse 2:191 and 2:193 it means ‘persecution’

Non-Muslim Translation

Arthur John Arberry

2:191 And slay them wherever you come upon them, and expel them from where they expelled you; persecution is more grievous than slaying . But fight them not by the Holy Mosque until they should fight you there; then, if they fight you, slay them — such is the recompense of unbelievers.

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The Arabic word for disbelief is ‘kufr’. The following Definition(s) on the Arabic word ‘Fitna’.

Alex Strick van Linschoten and Felix Kuehn, commenting on the Arabic word ‘Fitna’,

Fitna: An Arabic-language term that literally translates as
‘sedition’ or ‘temptation,’ but with various consequences also implied (e.g. disorder/chaos). It is often used as the antonym to a state of peace. As such, it takes on an Islam context with the suggestion that dissent or conflict (e.g. within the Ummah)… [1]

Associate Professor of Arabic and Islamic Studies Hayrettin Yücesoy writes

“One of the most frequently mentioned portents of the end of time in Muslim prophecies is civil disorder, fitna. Yet contrary to what one might expect, in none of the many instances in which the term fitna (civil disorder) is mentioned in the Quran is it connected to end of time events. In the Qur’anic text, fitna refers to a sort of trial: “And know that your wealth and your children are a trial [fitna], and that with God is a mighty wage.” In other verses, the term connotes discord, controversy,and dissension: “As for those in whose hearts is swerving, they follow the ambiguous part, desiring dissension [fitna], and seeking to explain it; and none knows its meaning, save only God.” Fitna may also mean seduction: “Children of Adan! Let not satan tempt, [v. yaftatin], you as he brought your parents out of the Garden, stripping them of their garments to show them their shameful parts.” On other occasions, it describes! chaos and civil disorder: “As for the unbelievers, they are friends one of another. Unless you do this, there will be strife [fitna] in the land and great corruption.” Finally it refers to plotting and acts of conspiracy: “Had they gone forth among you, they would only have increased you in trouble, and run to and fro in your midst, seeking to stir up sedition [fitna] between you; and some of you would listen to them; and God knows the evildoers.” A similar meaning is given in the following verses, where conspiracy against the community and its social and religious status quo is condemned: Persecution [fitna] is more grievous than slaying. But fight them not by the Holy Mosque until they should fight you there; then if they fight you, slay them- such is the recompose of unbelievers.” Even the ban on fighting during the holy months is lifted in cases of the greater danger of persecution: “Fighting in it is a heinous thing, but to bar from God’s way, and disbelief in him, and the Holy Mosque, and to expel its people from it- that is more heinous in God’s sight; and persecution [fitna] is more heinous than slaying.” [2]

Professor Roxanne L. Euben

“Fitna- Civil strife, temptation, disorder, chaos, sedition dissension.” [3]

Ibn Kathir, Tafsir Ibn Kathir,

“Concerning the verse “If two groups of believers fall to fighting” Q. 49.9) and “fight against them until there is no ‘fitnah’” (Q.2:193), he answered: “We done all this in the time of Prophet. At that time, we came minority so that a Moslem was be faced by fitnah in his religion, either he would be killed or would be the victim of oppression. When the Moslem community grows as powerful adherents, killing oppression has gone.” Based on this argument, we can conclude that ‘fitnah’ should be defined as any oppression or forcing Moslem to do or not to do something against his rights as human being ; all this being ratio legis or cause to proclaim fight against oppressor or those who want to kill them.” [4]

Arabic-English Dictionary of Qur’anic Usage. Elsaid M. Badawi and Muhammad Abdel Haleem,

“f-t-n to purify gold and silver by smelting them; to burn; to put to the test, to afflict (in particular as a means of testing someone’s endurance); to disrupt the peace of a community; to tempt, to seduce, to allure, to infatuate. Of this root, six forms occur 60 times in the Qur’an fatana 17 times futina six times; futun once; maftun once and fitnatun 34 times.
fitnatun [n.] 1 test (8:28) your possessions and your children are only a test 2 affliction, trial (22:11) but if a trial befalls him, he reverts to his old ways [lit. falls flat on his face, turns back to front] 3 persecution (2:191) and drive them out from where they drove you out, for persecution is more serious than killing 4 dissension, discord, civil unrest, infighting, mutiny (9:47) they would have scurried around in your midst, trying to sow discord among you 5 temptation, allurement (2:102) yet they [both] never taught anyone until they first said, ‘we are but a temptation-do not [fall for us and] reject the faith’ 6 treachery, defection, desertion (33:14) but if it [the city] had been entered from [all] its sides, with them in it, and they were asked to commit treachery, they would have committed it.” [5]

Arabic-English Lexicon,Edward William Lane commenting on the Arabic word ‘Fitna’,

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In conclusion, as we have examined the Arabic word ‘fitna’, and the context of passage, the verse does not promote killing of innocent people. As shown, the passage shows that Muslims were allowed to fight those who were persecuting the Muslims. In other words, the passage sanctions fighting in self-defence.

So you have to consult encyclopedia and wikipedia just to prove to us infidels that unholy qurann actually asked Muslims to kiss whoever doesnt believe in allahh, aka Mohammed, nor the last days, qurann 9:29. I see. You can only fooll those brainwashed madrasas students who Mohammed asked not question his lies, according to the unholy Quran 5:101.

BABAAGBALABA:
I wonder what would have happened if it was a Muslim country that chased Christians out

Don't get it twisted, no Muslim nation will accept over 500,000 non Muslim immigrants, or even Muslim migrants, into their country. That is suicidal. No Muslim was chased out from any christian country, what Slovakia said is that they won't accept Muslim IMMIGRANTS. Any sane nation will not put her unborn generations at risk. Arab/Muslims are usually security risk to their host. This is well known global facts.

Take Nigeria as a case study, the plateau crisis. The Muslim/Hausa/Fulani settlers want an emir in a land where they are settlers. This normative Islam, Muslims are not meant to be loyal to infidels. In Asia, especially Indonesia and Malaysia, they already have an established emirate systems, despite the fact that those people are traditionally Bhudist.

Muslims/Arabs easily over run weak people to establish an arab supremacist culture on the local population, driven via Islam. So any sane and responsibible govt will do everything necessary to prevent a future Islamic threat.

If one understands the religious significance of hijra, to Muslims, one will condemn Muslim migration to their country. Muslim immigrants are threat to their host communities.

Lets take a historic look at Islamic prophet, mohammed. Momammed was weak in mecca hence migrated to Medina where he became powerful, overthrow the local authority and declare himself a prophet of allaah, anyone whose opposed his primacy is killed and properties taken as war booty. In Nigeria, the Fulani jihadist migrated from Sudan, declared jihad on the local Hausa popuilatioon, defeated them and declare the sokoto caliphate. In borno, the story is similar.

In Europe, the turks and the morrocans migrated to corboda in span , declardd war on the Spaniard, defeated them and established a calipahe, before they, Muslims, were later expelled from Spain. Muslim invaded India, defeated the Hindus which eventually led to the creation of Pakistan out of the continental India.

Muslims/Arabs can never be trusted and their migration is a risk to the future generations of their host nations. Why are Arabs/muslims not migrating to Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, Iran, uae and other oil rich Muslim countries? Why are the going to the infidel christian Europe? To collect jizya, of course and to eventually outbreed the local population with the view of future hostile takeover, the normative islam doctrine and the sunnah sanction islamic /muslim migrations to the land of we infidels. But they will fail in their greed for allahh.

truthman2012:
Quran 9:29 is one of the clearest verses in the quran, which no amount of twisting can change the meaning.

Surah 9:29: Fight those who
believe
not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor
hold forbidden which hath been
forbidden by Allah and His
Messenger, nor acknowledge the
religion of Truth, EVEN IF THEY
ARE THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK ,
until they pay
the Jizya with willing submission
and feel themselves subdued.

The Romans are also the people of the Book, right?

The phrase ''EVEN IF THEY ARE THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK'' in that verse shows the Romans were under a secondary attack. They were not the first target. If the story cooked-up by fake truthman2013 is true, why was Muhammad's attack on Romans (the people of the Book) secondary? I mean if the Romans initiated the fight according to the OP, why was the islamic attack on them secondary and not primary? '' EVEN IF''.

Besides, Rilwayne01 aka fake truthman2013 had on many occassions on this forum claimed and supported his claim with unrelated islamic sources that Quran 9:29 was revealed following pagans breaking the treaty they had with the Muhammadans. Now it is no more pagans who broke the treaty but Romans who raised war against the muslims. New day new lies. It is a pity that the Devil can go to this extent to deceive some muslims. Don't you have conscience? You indeed need to lie so much to defend al-liar (allahh). Since al-liar said he is the best of deceivers, it is no surprise you are so gifted with lying spirit. FAKE truthman2013. What truth do you have in you?

Coming back to the verse 9:29, the reason for the attack on the people of the Book is already stated in the verse - the pagans, the Jews and the Christians who ''FORBADE NOT WHAT ALLAH HATH FORBIDEN BY HIS MESSENGER, AND FOR NOT ACCEPTING THE RELIGION OF THE SO-CALLED TRUTH''. Period. What has this got to do with Romans raising war?

Allah is truly the best of deceivers and that shows in the way he revealed the quran. The quran has no context and therefore you need other writters to formulate the context, which allows for various lies. Why is the quran not self-explanatory in most of its verses? The simple answer is ''TO DECEIVE by the best of DECEIVERS.

May the true God deliver the ignorant and innocent muslims.

Truthman2012, I seriously admire your courage and consistency in the face of blatant Islamic lies going on on a global scale. telling lies to defend Islamic honour at all cost seems to be the most lucrative industry in this information age.

Saudi Arabia commits millions of dollars on a yearly basis to polish Islam world wide while demonizing christianity in their national media using Arabic languaguge. So it is a battle of information and Muslims are using lies and clears deceit in defending the evil instruction s mohammed gave in qurann 9:5, 29_30, qurann 5:51, all in direct attack against the Christians and the jews .

Annunaki:
^^^
Their allah is obviously a very confused character.

This is because Mohammed and allahh is the same person. Mohammed invokes allahh anytime he wanted to scam the sahabas. Aisha, his child bride, once wondered why allahh is always there to approve of Mohammed's greed and sensuality. I will provide the hadith later.

INTROVERT:
why is it in blood red

because Islam/Muslims like blood.

lexiconkabir:
@true2god very funny, you are again quoting john, cuz that discussion was narrated by john. isn't it funny that the bible was written over 300years after the departure of jesus? paul from nowhere who never saw jesus started writing the gospel.

Islamic liar, so if I write a biography of Obasanjo and I quoted his statements 'verbatically', it wasnt obasanjo that made that the statement I quoted but me. Can you see how you reason, from the anus? When was the quran compiled, when mohammed was alive or when he was long gone?

allahh knew that John wrote part of the injil which he asked you muslims to consult for direction, so alllahh is now deceiving you? Ok na.

Annunaki:
As it occurred to you that your so called religion also insults the religious beliefs of others The koran is filled with insults to christianity and Christ so why shouldn't we return the favour?

It is the highest state of hypocrisy that muslims will be whinning of islam\muslim bashing while the quran and the hadith is filled with Jews and the christian bashings, and even threats (quran 5:51, quran 9:29-30). And in a traditional muslim society like sudan, saudi arabia, pakistan, etc, christian is a normative islam. I wont remind muslims that islam is so bad that even the christians and jews are regarded as dirty not worth entering mecca and yathrib (medina).

Islam is the only religion in the world that forbid non-muslims from stepping foot on their 'special' soil, mecca and yathrib where thousands lost their lives when the wahabbis (in 1933) purge the cities of activities not deemed 'islamic' enough, including music and dances.

lexiconkabir:
bro i said statement made by jesus, you are quoting john for me.

I dont knw between you and Dr naik zakir who is a better liar. See what is in John 3:1-20. Read and stop lying to yourself, ok!

John 3:1, Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council.

2 He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”

3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.[a]” 4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”

5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit[b] gives birth to spirit.

7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You[c] must be born again.’

8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you
cannot tell where it comes from or where
it is going. So it is with everyone born of
the Spirit.”[d]

9 “How can this be?” Nicodemus asked.

10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things?

11 Very truly I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have
seen, but still you people do not accept
our testimony.

12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how
then will you believe if I speak of
heavenly things?

13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came
from heaven—the Son of Man.[e]

14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the
wilderness, so the Son of Man must be
lifted up,[f]

15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.

”[g] 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever
believes in him shall not perish but have
eternal life.

17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world,
but to save the world through him.

18 Whoever believes in him is not
condemned, but whoever does not believe
stands condemned already because they
have not believed in the name of God’s
one and only Son.

19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people
loved darkness instead of light because
their deeds were evil.

20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not
come into the light for fear that their
deeds will be exposed.

21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so
that it may be seen plainly that what they
have done has been done in the sight of
God.

Jesus was having a discussion with Nicodemus, a pharisee. Dont allow mohammed keep deceiving you.

lexiconkabir:
@true2god didnt i and some other muslims refute your wrong understanding of those hadiths in the past? dont bother to ask me where. your explanation still proves what we have been saying that the bible contradicts itself. torah is the law of moses which the christians believe jesus cancelled due to some verses yet jesus said he did not come to cancel(a contradiction on its own), the quran came to buttress the injil and torah, mind you injil is the gospel of what jesus said himself not what they(paul, peter, mattew, luke etc) said about him. if you follow what jesus said himself, it is 100% islamic.

For God so loved the world that he gave his only beggotten son, that whoso-ever believ in him shall not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16). Do you believe this statement by Jesus or a usual lying altaqiyyaric muslim who said they believe in Jesus more that christians but deny most of his word?

Jesus said, 'God sent his only begotten son', do you belief in this Jesus' statement?

raheemarh:
You are a stupid mad man in all areas you open that ur foolish mouth to insult other people belief. i know u will feel the madness very soon

God give you brain to use and not to follow a 7th century pedophille who told muslims that he saw satan eating with a left hand. God give you a brain to use and not to believe a man who told you that satan reside in your nose while you are sleeping hence you must wash your nose immediately when you wake up and when you want to 'pray'. If your nasal cavity is blocked while you are asleep (obviosly a medical issue) you take a drug to clear your nose so that you can breath properly.

Any person believing a mad man telling him that he saw satan eating with a left hand and that satan resides in his nose while he was asleep makes me wonder if his education is never a waste. No wonder muslims countries are the least developed in the entire world, because of their beliefs in arab superstitutions which had been integrated into the quran and the hadith and are daily taught in mosque and madrasas.

Use your brain bro, you are more humane and intelligent than mohammed. We are in the 21st century, muslims should stop taking us back to the mohammedan 6th century AD. We now have cars, computers, electronics, satellites, aeroplane, etc being manufactured by 'kafir'. Muslims should start using their God-given brains.

Rilwayne001:
You didn't get the point I tried to raise in my last post. I'll implore you to read it again.

You claimed that christianity is a confused religion and I told you that yes, there are slight doctrinal differences in chritian denominations yet they dont fight or kill each other because of that. A non-catholic can preach against catholic doctrine in rome and go scot-free. If a person, who claim to follow ahmadiyya teachings, is found is mecca, he will be killed.

Can you see the difference?

lexiconkabir:

christianity shouldnt be called christianity, it should have been paulinity, all the confusions are caused by paul the liar, no wonder jeremiah 8:8 is telling us that the bible has been changed by men, since they've lost the truth. if men wrote the book, then it is bound to contradict itself, hence the confusion of christians, smh.

You are wrong, scribes are not prophets, but secrtaries that keep records in the jewish sysnagogues. It is expected that scribes keep clean records of all activities and instructions of the prophets which they are not doing properly. You have to separate the official duty of jewish scribes from the totality of the Judeo-christian scriptures. And for your information, Jeremiah 8:8 had been written long before mohammed\islam came to be, yet allahh asked muslims to consult the 'torah' and the 'injil' on matters that are not cleared to muslims. So if allahh, knowing fully well that jeremiah 8:8 existed and yet ask muslims to consult the bible, then allahh is all-knwing (according to muslims).

Read jeremiah 8:4-22 to have a clearer understanding of the entire context and the jugement of God on lying scribes. Mohammed is the one that encouraged muslims to lie. See hadith below:

Bukhari Volume 3, Book 49, Number 857: Narrated Um Kulthum bint Uqba: That she heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “He who makes peace between the people by INVENTING good information or saying good things, is not a liar.”

Muslim Book 032, Number 6303: Humaid b. ‘Abd al-Rahman b. ‘Auf reported that his mother Umm Kulthum daughter of ‘Uqba b. Abu Mu’ait, and she was one amongst the first emigrants who pledged allegiance to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him), as saying that she heard Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: A liar is not one who tries to bring reconciliation amongst people and speaks good (in order to avert dispute), or he conveys good.

Is the hadith above weak or fabricated?

Jozzy4:
And who told you Jesus is not created ?

Proverb 8:22 " The LORD Made me (Jesus) as the beginning of his way, the earliest of HIS ACHIEVEMENT"

so jesus dwell in unapprochable light when he was on earth, abi? tell me when he start dwelling in unaprochable light, lets see if its not after his ascension to heaven ?

The entire book of proverbs chapter 8 talked about wisdom of God, especially in the area of creation. 'Wisdom', as the writer highlited here, is never symbolic or representative of any physical person as the JW want to make us believe. Read the entire chapter to get a better understading and not lifting a verse and use it as an over-aching verse that nullifies the rest of the over 20 verse.

And if you say 'wisdom' is made or created you are equally wrong, as being peddled in the Jw New world translation. Wisdom is part and parcel of the nature of God. Wisdom (if you want to personalize it as a person of Jesus) have been with God from the beginning.

Can you tell me the time God was without 'Wisdom'?

Rilwayne001:
We call it, 'Delusion grandeur'

I think the problem is not even what they believe. The problems stems from the bible. Those who believe that Jesus is YAHWEH (e.g. bingbagbo, an2elect) will try to uphold their believe by quoting some verses of the BIBLE that support their erroneous delusion. Those who believe he is God's son on the other hand are mostly trinitarians. They would as well prove their believe with the BIBLE, the OP is an example of a deluded trinitarian. And lastly, those that believe he (Jesus) isn't God almighty, that he had a God are mostly the Unitarians and the JW (that the OP is calling out for arguement). They also provide prove for their believe from the BIBLE.

In the pithy aphorithm; the bible is the book of confusion. The many thousands of the christian sects we have today is enough to show this confusion.

Yes, you are right. Christians have many sects and denominations. You will also agree with me that islam also have different sects and denominations. Tradtion even had it that mohammed predicted that islam with fragment into 72 (or 73) sects but only one sect will be the true one. Is that not confusion is islam?

You also failed to mention that, inspite of the varition of doctrines among the christian churches, you can never hear or see any church physically bombing or attacking each other. In islam, the shia are being killed by the sunnis in their mosque in saudi arabia, pakistan, afghanistan, sudan, etc while the iranians are oppressing the sunnis. The sunnis are equally killing the ahmadiyyas in pakistan in the name of 'blasphemy' against the islamic pedophille prophet.

So when you look at it in a proper perspective, devoid of islamic altaqiyya, christians have rights to disagree in matter of christian theology, without any risk while muslims see anyone that disagree with their own form of islam as a potential target for islamic teorrist killings.

parisbookaddict:
LoooooooooooooooL. Indeed cults are powerful.

So shaytan lives under ur nostrils, the dude must be tiny. How Can u, an adult believe that nonsense.

Muslims are strange being whose brains have been seriosly brainwashed by the arabs. How can a sane adult believe that satan used to be on his nose all night long and have to wash the devil from the nose evry morning? If im right, satan is always on the nose of all muslims all night 365days a year. The friendly relationship between the muslims and satan must be so strong.

@ lexiconkabir must have been brainwashed without visible repair, by the mohammedan yemeni arabs, to have believed that he need to wash the satan from his nose before 'prayer'. How did the arab-muslims manage to destroy the brains of we black african? Lexiconkabir is a symbol of backwardness that is going on in africa.

Demmzy15:
Olodo go to page one, why did angels have sex in your Bible?!

Dont shift the goal post, create a thread on that. We are discussing mohammed's hallucinations that muslims are foollishly following as a spiritual advise.

basilico:
The left hand is evil because there was no tissue paper.
Or Muhammad actually saw Shaytan having a meal and drinking maybe water in the hell fire.
Amazing.

The left hand is not part of muslims' body parts, it is evil (as long as mohammed said so). All people that eat with their left hands are the children of shaitan (islamic satan). Obama eats with left hand, so he is a child of satan. Lionel messi eats with left hand, so he is a child of satan (according to islamic and mohammedic standard).

allahh must be crazy for all these crazy 'revelation' he gives his apostle, mohammed.

lexiconkabir:
did u read rilwayne's post which you quoted, to full comprehension in comparison to the hadith? that rilwayne's post still answers your question about the hadith you quoted, the satan in this context does not refer to the being itself but impurity(evil), evil is ofcourse perpetrated by satan, and in islam impurity is a barrier to getting close to Allah(s.w.t), so it is required to get pure through what we call wudu(ablution).

You make no sense to sensible people. The hadith said mohammed SAW (i mean mohammed SAW) satan eating with left hand, why are you guys trying twist away what is written in your hadith? The most i expected from you guys is to lie again that that hadith is 'fabricated'. You cant open your hadith to endless interpretation anytime kafir discover some unreasonable contents in your hadith.

In one Igbo folklore, it was taught that ogbomma was scrashed at the back by 'arusi' (an igbo god) hence all human started having a curvely back on the spinal chord region. We believed the story when we were growing up but no longer belief it now that we are adult. We have come to realize that it is all 'tales by moonlight' stories.

Why\how adult muslims believe many 'tales by moonlight' stories that filled the hadith, as taught by mohammed, as a fact always baffle my imagination. Is it that most muslims are conditioned be perpetually dumb?

lexiconkabir:
honestly i can cope with your dumb level of reasoning. lol.

I am shocked that you called someone dumb even with your belief that mohammed saw islamic satan eat with left hand. Your blind allegiance to a liar and pedophilee mohammed makes you and your type the dumbest set of people on earth.

Free yourself from this arabian criminal and liar, mohammed.

Anyone that takes mohammed serios is, himself, not a serios or normal person. How can mohammed say he saw satan eating with a left hand? Have mohammed seen satan before? Does satan get hungry? Does he eat? The next question is, does satan use the rest-room or toilet?

Like I have said before, mohammad is really a mad man for cooking up lies and superstititions for muslims to be 'digesting' into their brain. Anyone that accept mohammed as a normal person should go for a psychological examinations. I have not also forgotten that mohammed told muslims to enter the bathroon with right foot first and must wash their nose when the woke up cos satan would have poo there over the night.

Teekrayne:
............................................................................. NB: ALLAH is INFALLIBLE but the MUHAMMAD(SAW) is FALLIBLE because he was/is a human...... Now, to answer you sir. The question now is why the epithet “O SISTER OF AARON”? Well, Upon seeing Mary with a child, and having no knowledge of her having married anyone or being unchaste, her people exclaimed using the epithet yā ukhta harūn or “O sister of Aaron”. From the immediate context it is obvious this epithet was used to draw Mary's attention, which could mean the following things.

Firstly, it was to remind her of her similarity to Aaron in her piety and worship of God. Thus the statement becomes a reprimand to her having borne a child without being married, a shocking sin given her piety and the known righteousness of her immediate family and her ancestors................... Secondly, the epithet yā ukhta harūn or "O sister of Aaron" was also to remind Mary of her pious ancestor MIRIAM, the sister of Aaron (and Moses), who was given the title "prophetess" (EXODUS 15:20) and is highly regarded in the Hebrew Bible and rabbinical literature. She is mentioned in (MICAH 6:4) with Moses and Aaron as one of the three who led Israel out of Egypt. The rabbinical literature elaborates the biblical account where MIRIAM is portrayed as a person for whom God intervened. God honoured her by Himself officiating as the cohen to declare her definitely a leper and subsequently to declare her cleansed. Because she had waited for Moses by the river, the Israelites waited for her to recover. A miraculous well, created during the twilight on the eve of the first Sabbath, accompanied the Children of Israel in the desert due to her merits. Like Moses and Aaron, she too died by the kiss of God since the angel of death had no power over her.

Both these explanations have a support from a ḥadīth of Prophet Muḥammad(SAW). The Christians of Najran during the time of the Prophet raised a similar objection and it was answered by the Prophet(SAW). In Ṣaḥiḥ Muslim, a ḥadīth related by Mughirah ibn Shu‘bah [5326] says:

Mughirab. Shu‘ba reported: When I came to Najran, they (the Christians of Najran) asked me: You read "O sister of Harun(Aaron)" in the Qur'an, whereas Moses was born much before Jesus. When I came back to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) I asked him about that, whereupon he said: "The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the NAMES OF APOSTLES AND PIOUS PERSON§ WHO HAD GONE BEFORE THEM."

It is clear from this ḥadīth that the Prophet did not "CONFUSE" between the two Marys. He pointed out that people from earlier times gave names after the pious people who had gone before them.......... Furthermore, the Muslim exegetes have already disproved the alleged confusion of the two Marys using the above ḥadīth and the Qur'an itself.......... For example, BARBARA FREYER STOWASSER points out:

Mary's designation as "sister of Aaron" (and also "daughter of Amram" has led some non-Muslims to allege a Qur'anic "confusion" of Miriam (Maryam) the sister of Aaron and Moses with Mary (Maryam) the mother of Jesus. THIS CONTROVERSY IS VERY OLD..., AND REFUTATION OF THE ALLEGATION BY MUSLIM AUTHORITIES IS WELL- DOCUMENTED. According to the tafsir, Mary was addressed as "sister of Aaron" because the Qur'an is drawing a comparison, or because she did have a brother by that name.............................................................. Furthermore, Elsewhere, concerning the alleged contradiction of the two Marys, STOWASSER, quoting Ibn Kathir says:

......"This controversy is as old as the Muslim-Christian dialogue. The Prophet is said to have refuted similar arguments made by the Christians of Najran during his lifetime; "to confuse Mary the mother of Jesus with Mary the sister of Moses and Aaron in Torah is COMPLETELY WRONG and in contradiction to the sound Hadith and the Qur'anic text as we have established it in the Tafsir" (Isma'il ibn Umar Abu l-Fida Ibn Kathir, Qisas al-anbiya', ed. Mustafa Abd al-Wahid, vol. II [Dar al-kutub al-haditha, 1968] pp. 393-394.

Therefore, the epithet "O sister of Aaron" used by Mary's people when they saw a baby in her arms, was simply a reminder to her of the people like her who had gone before and were pious and chaste. Furthermore, the Qur'an, just like the New Testament, associates Mary, mother of Jesus, during the time of Zakariyya. This makes the case for "confusion" between the two Marys untenable.

....... Except you are indolent, bias or one-sided in the way you make your research, The Qur'an is devoid of mistakes; watch your tongue!!!..... God bless us all.

Muslims are mathematicians who can work-out any equation in the bible to validate quranic fallacies\lies. Well, al-taqiyya is permitted in both political and spiritual islam, as long as it is for the benefit of allahh and his lieutenant, mohammed (piss be on him)

exco90:
Mheeen.. Its going to pain OP to the marrow.. For them not even making a single comment on ur topic. Eeeeeya sowie. The number u have dail is not available please try again later

Muslims are gradually tired of defending their criminal of a prophet. We are giving muslims free islamic education they can never get in their mosques or madrasas.

It is only desperate muslims that are making weak attempts at defending their paedophile of a 'profit' mohammed.

exco90:
Hope u haven't started dancing.. And please don't deviate from the topic wen they start refuting u. Its minor issue to them.. I mean the NL muslim E-apologist



NOTE: am not sure they are gonna answer u.. If it was a recycled topic

We are waiting for the regular islamic response.

adullam210:
give us vivid examples of Jewish child brides. Note that muhamad was a prophet of alahh; 'best of mankind', not a mere Arab man. Comparing him (best of mankind) with ordinary people shouldn't even be contemplated by any sane Muslims, but as market com be na, una just dey try look for excuses to make d evil prophet look acceptable to people sha!

Lol. Mohammed's allahh called him 'best of mankind'. Nothing person nogo hear for this world. If a man (of 54) slept with a girl of 9 in europe, america or even nigeria, such a man will be cooling of in prison for a crime of pedophiliaa, but the 'best of mankind' slept with a 9yr old girl and his mumu followers are frantically searching the bible to justify the evil of mohammed (the muslims' best of mankind).

The 'best of mankind' urged muslims to kill whoever does not accept allahh and mohammed (quran 9:29), urged muslims not to take christians and jews as friends (quran 5:51), and asked muslims to collect jizya from christians and jews and humiliate them (quran 9:29b).

The 'best of mankind' called Jews descendants of 'ape and pig' (in the quran) while he described black people as 'RAISIN HEAD' (in the hadith). The islamic best of mankind is also entitled to 20% of his war booties while the sahabas distribute the rest among themselves (a bloody set of war criminals)

May God punish mohammed, muslims' best of mankind, for all his atrocities againt humanity. Anyone that take an armed robber, a pedophille and a hate-monger as a prophet need get his head examined.

Islam was formed by some set of arab criminals and warriors.

Nadheer15:
Terrorist evangelists, better join your brothers and wage holy war against peaceful Muslims in the mosque. Pick up a gun and kill them if you hate. You Christian jihadists are damn annoying!

Christians dont do that, we dont bomb mosques and muslims for not accepting christ. It is muslims that destroy lives and property in obedience to the commandment of mohammed (quran 9:29-30). So take a chill pill and do not follow the way of mohammed, he is evil.

However, you have not contributed to the topic at hand, I need you opinion.

@ truthman2012, dont engage Nadheer15 on a childish rant: he must be ashamed of his prophet mohammed.

proo212:
@Truthman2012, Malvisguy and True2god, i'm sure you know the owner of answering-christianity.com is Osama Abdullah. Just listen to any of his debates and you can see the exact mindset of someone who would use his website as material for rebuttal.

Keep on the good work guys and God will continue to use you. I know its very laborious but the harvest is plenty. This is the only motivating factor.

Osama Abdullah is an arab racial supremacist who sees no wrong in the atrociticies of mohammed. He, in most cases, also lied that mohammed never did any wrong. But when you point out mohammed's deeds\instructions in the quran and the hadiths, he will quickly shout 'out of context' without giving any alternative meaning. If you accused mohammed of marrying a 6-yr old baby (when he was 51), he will say it was acceptable then but not now.

Muslims are funny people who hardly apply logic to see that mohammed can never be a prophet. In one hadith mohammed described one of his black slaves (cos he was also into slave trading) 'RAISIN HEAD'. That means mohammed is a pure rascist with that sort of 'stereotype' description of fellow human. Mohammed is the only known religiosly global figure that legitimately enslaved black with approval of his coran.

Shame on any black who defends the evil of mohammed against we blacks.

truthman2012:
Or else what?

What can you say that you have not said before?

Do you think am moved by your abuses? Afterall your prophet called the Jews monkies and apes. You have a prophet you take after.

Dont also forget that their stupid profet mohammed also called the blacks 'raisin heads'. It is a big shame for a blackman to be defending a psychotic man who called their amcestors 'raisin heads' and equally enslaved them.

Shame on black muslims who refused to see that mohammed is pure evil.