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paulGrundy:
going by your assumption endless more rules can be conjured. For example:

Dogs are mentioned in the Bible 40 times, and in every mention they are described disparagingly. They are said to be lowly and unclean, used as an allegory for sodomites (Deut 23:17,18), and said to be no part of the New System (Rev 22:15). Yet, the Watchtower does not conclude dogs are not for Christians.

Eye paint is mentioned twice, once in reference to wicked queen Jezebel (2 Kings 9:30) and secondly to apostate Israel (Jer 4:30), yet the Watchtower does not forbid eye makeup.

Jw and their loyalty to the watchtower is their greatest mistakes. Most JWs do not read their bible indepedently, but rely on 'reasoning with the scripture' and 'what the bible really teaches' booklets for guidance. That makes an average JW whole dependent on the governing body in their day-to-day spiritual activities.

What goes wrong on a birthday could have equally gone wrong on a wedding day. I have heard of people poisoned with food on a wedding day. I have heard of people had accident on their way to a funeral. Does that make wedding ceremony or funeral procession bad? No.

For the fact that many events were not recorded in the bible does not mean they never happened. Even in the old days of biblical events many things such as deaths during wedding could have occured without the bible scribes including them in the bible.

So using isolated events to standardize a doctrines, just as JWs do, is wrong. As someone earlier said, Paul said if eating meat will make people sin he will not eat meat. That is his personal conviction and not a law.

If JW believe that celebrating birthdays will make them sinners hence refuse to celebrate it, that is good. However it will be wrong to canonize such laws in an organized setting as a religious or spiritual law that must not be violated.

vedaxcool:
Not making coherent statement as usual.

Do you lack simple comprehension skill? I simply put it to you that saudi arabia had always criminalized the building of church in their country but is spending billions of dollars building mega mosques (islamic terrorists' command and control centres) in non-muslim countries.

Is that not hypocrisy?

vedaxcool:
They will fail in their evil bid at cleansing Islam from the heart of Muslims.

But saudi had already suceeded in cleansing their country from other rival religions, especially christianity and islam.

mustymatic:
FOX NEWS? HAAHAA

Give your counter-source. Saudi arabian is the worst country for non-muslims in terms of freedom of religion.

Officially, no non-muslim is even expected to step his\her foot in mecca and medina while any Jew in saudi arabia will be killed instantly. Pets such as dogs and cats are not even allowed in both places. The saudis place place non-muslims, cat and dogs in the same basket here.

Islam is evil and disgusting.

mustymatic:
You are a liar my friend, there are churches in saudi arabia, islam allows other faiths to practice their religion, no Muslim country ban christns frm goin to church or smtin like that... but Christian countries.. hmm.
Islam is peace

www.foxnews.com/world/2014/09/14/saudi-anti-christian-sweep-prompts-calls-for-us-involvement/

Altaqiyya master read the link above. It is a criminal offense to openly profess christianity in saudi arabia or hold a christian prayer meeting.

You are either ignorant of this fact or deliberately deceptive. Dont render your fasting to arabian idol, allahh, null and void through lies.

feedthenation:
Another question should be, are christians and other religions allowed to practise their faith in Saudi Arabia?

Yes, muslims' persecution of non-muslims is perfectly sanctioned by allahh. While muslims shout 'rascism' for not being allowed to practice their religion fully, saudi govt has a complete ban on other religion. This what is called islamic hypocrisy.

OREMUSSANCTUS:
A great news
If u want to prosper, do away wif I s l a m
I s l a m negates prosperity

Seconded. Islam and poverty are co-joined twins. Aside oil-rich arab countries (paid for by rich 'infidel' nations) like qatat, saudi arabi, kuwait etc, Islamic countries are very poor.

crusadistic:
the bastards were executed for their evil even after they were pardoned before unlike one mad dog god.

You must be a good muslim following the sunnah of the islamic prophet. Where the islamic prophet's followers live or rule, there are always anarchy and killing of infidels.

Hope you are preparing for your hypocritic ramadan when all islamic terrorist will go on a temporary cease-fire.

9jaforlife:
Ifeann aka parisbookaddict aka hypocrite, that hole in your face is 'specially designed' to lie. Whatever nonsense you spew doesn't make any difference

Do you actually say that 20% of mohammed's war booty was meant for the propagation of Islam? You are actually right, going by the history of Islam. Aside from some part of the booty mohammed usually keep for himself, he sold some stolen items (what you muslims technically call war booty) and FULLY engage in slave trade and the collection of zakat and jizya.

The money made from these criminal activities (by mohammed) is usually invested in buying spears, horses and other war materials, to fight the 'infiidels' and collect another round of war booties. Mohammed must be a good businessman for allahh.

In this modern age and time, mohammed will be serving a life sentence for all these criminal activities.

smartesboys:
When you want to qoete from qur'an, you must write the whole verse.

'The underlined says "One-fifth of the booty belongs to Allah", meaning that a fifth should be set aside for the propagation of Islam'.

What? Am I seeing double? One-fifth of stolen materials, war booty, are used for the propagation of Islam. Whaoooo!

Mohammed is surely an arab criminal.

Demmzy15:
You never seems to amaze me, your problem is that you never learn!
Smh!

You mean I never seem to learn that your criminal mohammed is a prophet? Kindly explain.

Anas09:
Isis is reliving the life of their prophet. What are they doing that mohammed didn't do? They are the good Muslims. The muslims who seemingly condemn the isis acts, are Ugly Muslims. They are the worst, because, they create the impression that the Isis, bh and the rest are not doing the will of Allah, when we know that there's nothing they r doing now that Mohammed did do tripple.Mujihad is a good muslim. Given the chance, he will kill every infidel in NL. Ask him.

Over 85% of muslims are not following the foot-steps of mohammed. So if ISIS are trying to follow the example of the islamic perfect man, that is mohammed, why are the majority of muslims complaining?

No wonder the ISIS called most muslims apostates for not emulating the islamic prophet and not followin the sunnah.

truthman2012:
But you guys say the quran is complete and both man and jinns cannot produce the like of it. If so, why is it that you need all the information about Hajar and Ishmael from the bible? Why didn't the quran talk about them? Is it still complete? In fact, the quran is incomplete without the words of man, Muhammad, which you call hadith.

True, the kingdom of God was taken away from the Pharisees and Saducees who were incharge of priesthood of Judaism and was handed over to the Christian Nation, not the Arab nation.

"But you (i.e the Christians) are a chosen
generation, a royal
PRIESTHOOD, a holy
NATION, His own special
people, that you may
proclaim the praises of
Him who called you out
of darkness into His
marvelous light; who
once were not a people
but are now the people
of God, who had not
obtained mercy but now
have obtained mercy" ( II
Peter 2:9-10 ).

There is no trace of Muhammad in the bible because he was not from the God of the bible. Quran 109:1-6 makes us to know the God Muhammad and muslims serve is not Yahweh, the true God known in the bible.

Besides, the following verses from the bible prove Muhammad was not and could not have been prophesised in the bible:

Philip findeth Nathanael and
saith unto him, We have found
him, of whom MOSES in the law
and the prophets did write, Jesus
of Nazareth, the son of Joseph
(John 1:45).

That is talking about Moses prophecy in the Book of Deuteronomy.

And he (Jesus) said unto them,
These are the words which I
spake unto you while I was yet
with you, that all things must be
fulfilled, which were written in
the law of MOSES and in the
PROPHETS and in PSALMS,
concerning ME (Luke 24:44).
The above passages are a
pointer to the fact that all bible
prophecies by MOSES and other
PROPHETS are referring to Jesus.

Muhammad has no record in the
bible.
Islam is not in God's plan as
Jesus Gospel is God's final
message to the world:

And this GOSPEL of the kingdom
shall be preached in ALL the
WORLD for a witness unto ALL
NATIONS and then SHALL THE
END COME (Mat. 24:14).

God's plan is that it is the
GOSPEL that will be preached till
the end of the world, then who
sent Muhammad to bring islam?

Thanks thruthman2012.

KellamLeTorneau:
Think of it as a partly recoverable corrupt file. Parts that agree with the Quran are legit. Rubbish like the original sin and isaac etc, that's what corruption entails.

'For God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son, and anyone that believes in him will not perish but has everlasting life'....statement by Jesus (John 3:16)

Is the above also part of the 'corrupted' part of the bible?

KellamLeTorneau:
Jealous of the Arabs. Their rivalry started out a long time ago. And I'm quite sure the bible spoke of how the kingdom of God will be taken away from the JEWS. And spoke of how it will be given to someone, not one of them, not from amongst them but from their brethren. Of course the promise has been fulfilled, Muhammad is the promise. It was indeed Hajar that was sent away, but that is not of importance, Sarah was the first wife and therefore deserved the utmost respect, the fact that hajar was sent away doesn't mean Abraham doesn't love them or that he abandoned the, as according to you, that is not where the story ends.

Now the story of Isaac and Ishmael in the bible has contradictions, You called Ishmael the son of a bond woman and that he was cast out. Is that anyway to speak of a wife of a prophet?

let us look at Genesis 16:3, “So after Abram had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian maidservant Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife. (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 16:3)” Clearly this tells us Abraham (PBUH) Married Hagar.

You blatantly reject this but yet you can't defend it, like I said, JEWS, jealous.

The Bible Genesis 22:2

"Take now your son, your only son, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah; and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains".

The Bible Genesis 22:12

"Since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from me."

Ishmael the eldest son or Isaac the second son? Christians have placed the name of Isaac in the blank space above. Muslims believe Ishmael was around thirteen years old when Abraham was asked to sacrifice him. In both the above quotations the Lord uses the word your only son. Obviously, the logical answer is that the incident must have taken place before the birth of Isaac, the second son of Abraham. So, what could be the reason that the name of Isaac appears in the blank space, as the only son of Abraham?

So, is it out of tribal rivalry that the descendants of Isaac (Jews) are concealing these facts and depriving the preeminence due to the descendants of Ishmael (Arabs)? In Encyclopaedia Judaica Jerusalem, volume 9, under the heading Ishmael it is written:

"It is related that a renowned traditionalist of Jewish origin, from Qurayza tribe and another Jewish scholar who converted to Islam, told Caliph Omar ibn Abd al-Aziz (717-20) that the Jews were well informed that Ismail (Ishmael) was the one who was bound (sacrificed), but they concealed this out of jealousy.

Is the bible still 'corrupt' or no longer 'corrupt'?

These are the real muslims, who speak, read and understand arabic and are well vast in the hadith.

The saudi clerics understand that female driving causes reproductive problem amond women and often results in having defective babies.

The iranian sheiks understands that females putting on jeans cause earthquakes.

Saudi clerics claim that the earth is flat and do not rotate.

Who says muslims are not great in science and geography? Only Nigerian muslims understand Islam more than the arabs.

shahydbinaliyu:
STUPID FOOLS (CHRISTIANS SUPPORTING BANNING OF HIJAB) WHEN YOU IDIOTS WON'T READ YOUR BIBLE.. BIBLE SUPPORTS HIJAB, MARY MOTHER OF JESUS SUPPORT HIJAB, THE ROOT OF CHRISTIANITY (ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH) SUPPORTS HIJAB... FOOLISH IDIOTS WHO KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BIBLE NOR JESUS.... I PITY UNA LIFE

Hair covering is only advised in the church or synagogue and not at school, hospital, post office, bank, parks or any public place as muslims want to make to accept.

We are not in saudi arabia, iran, pakistan etc where it is a criminal offense not to wear hijab.

Each culture has their distinct ways on how women cover their hair. Hijabi pattern is a symbol of arab supremacy which sane society much reject. Most western european countries have banned hijab and not ordinary hair covering.

Understand this simple fact dear islamic apologist.

tintingz:
Amid the chaos that has laid siege to all people of the Middle-East and North Africa since the Arab Spring uprisings against dictatorship paved the way for militancy and civil war in region, the Christian world is increasingly expressing its concern over the condition of Christians living in the region.

Despite being an overall minority, there is a significant Christian population living in countries like Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine and Egypt.

In this context, it may benefit both Muslims and Christians to recall the words of the Prophet Muhammad regarding how Christians should be treated by Muslims in the following translation of a letter he sent to the Christian monks at St. Catherines, Mount Sinai (Egypt) in 628 AD:

“This is a message from Muhammad son of Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them.

Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them.

No compulsion is to be on them.

Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries.

No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims’ houses.

Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God’s covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate.

No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight. The Muslims are to fight for them.

If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray.

Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants.

No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world).”

https://media.worldbulletin.net/news/2014/04/26/prophets-letter.jpg

http://www.worldbulletin.net/haber/134784/prophet-muhammads-letter-about-how-muslims-should-treat-christians

The original letter is now in the Topkapi Museum in Instanbul

Keep deceiving yourself. Al-taqiyya mode activated.......loading (45% remaining).

crusadistic:
what's this dunce saying

Anyone that takes mohammed as a prophet need go for a psychiatric test. I will personally sponsor your psychiatric test.

Hijab is a symbol of arab\islamic cultural supremacy. Its approval will indirectly alter the social order in terms of the belief system, and definitely lead to further islamic demands (as we have seen it happen in several countries).

Hijab is just the beginning of islamic demands if unchecked by the authorities and its often lead to civil disobedience\disorder, in the long run. That is why hijab had been banned in many european countries: they understand the long term social-cultural effect on their traditional society.

The call for hijab is a new demand being made by salafi muslims world wide. Its an attempt by the arabs, using religion as a cover, to sow the seed of islam in every culture hence destroyin such cultures and replacing them with arabia culture
\supersitutions, aka islam. Hijab is both a religious identity (to muslims) and a mark of arab cultural supremacy.

May God bless seun for nairaland.

Never wanted to comment but I cant control myself. The hausa and the yorubas are the most ungrateful people on earth. The money T Y Danjuma is making from his ill-gotten oil well is far more than the money the federal govt is paying the umemployed youths of the niger-delta.

Aside Lagos, no single state in the southwest can survive without oil allocations from the niger-delta. And most of the people drumming for the cancellation of this program on nairaland are yorubas. Thats pure wickedness and inhuman. The oil in nigeria belong to the niger-deltans first, before nigeria.

The fiscal commission in charge of revenue allocation in nigeria, between 1960-1967, gave the regions 50% or revenue accrued from their region and not 13% as we have now. Morally the people of the niger-delta are one of the most cheated people on earth going by how their oil well are allocated and how their oil monies are shared.

A time will come when the owners of this oil will rise is ferrocios anger and once the international community listen to them, the yorubas and the hausa wil be the worst losers.

I am not from the niger-delta, I only believe in justice and equity which is alien to nigeria.

The fat-wah or slim-wah is only applicable in their islamic kingdom where oppression of the weak is sanctioned by allahh.

Harjibode:
It should be emphasised that Islam does not permit killing as Quran rightly give a similitude of a murderer of one soul that."Whoever kills a person unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land,it is as though he had killed all men" (Q 5:32). On this the prophet warned: "Beware, do not become unbelievers after me, so that some of you should strike off the neck of others ". In a related Hadith, the prophet also said: "whoever kill a Mu'ahad ( a non Muslim living under the protection of a Muslim state ) he shall not perceive the odour of paradise and its odour is perceivable from distance of forty years journey"


Finally, it is my opinion that those who harbour these misconceptions about Islam and Muslims like the one above me are either ignorant or mischievous of the true teaching of Islam and it adherents. To the former a little tolerance of others' religion is necessary and to the latter, a little time off to search for truth should suffice...




Thanks.

What you wrote is a type of al-taqiyya response. See what is instructed on your hadith.

Bukhari Volume 3, Book 49, Number 857: Narrated Um Kulthum bint Uqba: That she heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “He who makes peace between the people by INVENTING good information or saying good things, is not a liar.”

Muslim Book 032, Number 6303: Humaid b. ‘Abd al-Rahman b. ‘Auf reported that his mother Umm Kulthum daughter of ‘Uqba b. Abu Mu’ait, and she was one amongst the first emigrants who pledged allegiance to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him), as saying that she heard Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: A liar is not one who tries to bring reconciliation amongst people and speaks good (in order to avert dispute), or he conveys good.

Stop lying to us.

Harjibode:
It should be emphasised that Islam does not permit killing as Quran rightly give a similitude of a murderer of one soul that."Whoever kills a person unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land,it is as though he had killed all men" (Q 5:32). On this the prophet warned: "Beware, do not become unbelievers after me, so that some of you should strike off the neck of others ". In a related Hadith, the prophet also said: "whoever kill a Mu'ahad ( a non Muslim living under the protection of a Muslim state ) he shall not perceive the odour of paradise and its odour is perceivable from distance of forty years journey"


Finally, it is my opinion that those who harbour these misconceptions about Islam and Muslims like the one above me are either ignorant or mischievous of the true teaching of Islam and it adherents. To the former a little tolerance of others' religion is necessary and to the latter, a little time off to search for truth should suffice...




Thanks.

Sahih Muslim Book 019, Number 4366: “It has been narrated by ‘Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: “I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.”

Ibn Ishaq, Life of Muhammad (Karachi) p.553: …the Apostle of Allah said, “Kill any Jew that falls into your power.”

Bukhari Vol.4 Bk.52 No.176 Narrated ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar: Allah’s Apostle said,“You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, ‘O ‘Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)!There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.”

Quran-5.60 “…[the Jews] whom Allah has cursed and brought His wrath upon, and of whom He made apes and swine, and who served the Shaitan…”

Quran-5:72 “Surely, they have disbelieved who say: “Allah is the Messiah … and the Fire will be his abode and for the Zalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers) there are no helpers.” [Not only does this verse say Christians burn in hell, it also equates them to “polytheists”, thus negating their “special status” as “people of the book”.]

Quran-9.29 “Fight against those who … acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and know themselves subdued.”

The civilized world is gradually waking up to the reality of the old arab expansionist and culturally conquering philosophy which is under revival using saudi oil money and islam as its formidable vehicle. The world need education on the contents of the quran, the hadith and the sunnah of the islamic prophet. These three evil books are enough to grasped with evil tendencies in islam.

Harjibode:
In the past and especially today,reference to Islam as a religious dispensation that was founded through the use of force is a common occurrence,Equally common are the unsavoury epithets with which the Muslims (Islam adherents) are usually ascribed. "To an average non Muslim,a devoted Muslim is either a fundamentalist, an extremist or a fanatic who would stop at nothing to declare Jihad (another misconception) on any non Muslim at the slightest provocation. With the Holy Quran and Apostolic traditions as points of reference, I attempt to lay bare in brief what Islam is all about. Also an attempts shall be made to define "Muslim" and to analyse in detail; the concept of Jihad.


Islam literally means peace. Technically defined it as the total submission and obedience to the will of Allah (SWT). From wider spectrum, it is a dispensation that combines the two worlds;the world spiritual and the world temporal. While the former entails faith,worship and charity, the latter includes all the mundane activities that make life worthy of living. In a nutshell, Islam is a total way of life. if obedience and total submission to Allah's will could form the bedrock by which Islam could be defined, it would be contradictory, at least scripturally to claim that Islam was spread through force. It would amount to a great disobedience to Allah who warns that! "Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth stand out clear from error (Q 2:256). In his commentary. Muhammad Yusuf Ali stressed the incompatibility of compulsion with religion based on the following reasons:
(a) that religion depends upon faith and will and this would be meaningless, if induced by force.
(b) that truth and error have been so clearly shown up by the mercy of God that there should be no doubt in the minds of any person of goodwill as to the fundamentals of faith.

By these definition and Allah's commandment therefore,Islam cannot be said to be religion spread by force.

Islam does not mean peace but submission (to allahh). The terminology and re-definition you attempt to create is deceitful, and you know it.

Your attempt at white-washing the image of islam had failed upon arrival. Many people are no longer completely ignorant of islam. There is compulsion in religion in a muslim dominated country. You can't be a non-muslim and step your feet in saudi arabia, you will be jailed. If a Jew is found is saudi arabia he will be killed. So why are you deceiving us?

If I wear a t-shirt with the drawing of mohammed in the US state like minessota, I will be 100% safe (because of non-existence of muslims\islam there) but if i wear a t-shirt with mohammed drawn on it in a place like saudi arabia I will be killed.

I am very sure you are not an arab-muslim, so you may not have a full understanding of the complete hate islam has for non-muslim, especially jews and christians (whom the quran, in many cases, called the enemies of muslims).

So you are either ignorant of islam or deliberately deceitful.

Ifeann:
I would call them trouble finders, very silly folks holding the event outside a mosque when they can draw the fellow elsewhere. However, I see no problem if they want to Draw a certain dead 7th century bearded paedophile. Its their right, relax and drink some warm tea.

This is officially one of the most hypocritical things I have read on nairaland. Surprise surprise it was posted by a muslim.

What about the minority of Christian in Iraq, Iran, turkey, Egypt, Pakistan, etc who are murdered routinely by Muslims. Who aren't allowed to practise their religion freely. Hindu mothers whose children are taken away from them and given to their muslim fathers because the mothers refuse to convert etc. Hypocrisy is a Muslims life.

So drawing mohammed by a small group of people outside a mosque is worse than ISIS, BH. ?? U are quite a doorknob Aint you.



No killing is worse than oppression.
Ofcourse to a muslim life is cheap so I understand why u would say oppression is worse than killing


Drawing mohammed isn't going to wake people up about Islam. Discussing Islam and exposing mohammed in videos, articles, blogs, debates, forums etc will.



Define sicko and wacko.


By the way clap for yourself, u can actually type in small letters. Be a good girl, no more all caps.

Nice response Ifeann.

Rilwayne001:
Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,

For you were made from dust, and to dust you will return."

For then the dust will return to the earth, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.



Oya, bring it on

Riliwanu are you quoting from the quran or the Bible?

Rilwayne001:





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Can you mention any single thing in this modern age that Islam\contribute to its development? Is it computer, electronics, aeronautics, printing machine, or even tissue paper? What is the benefit of muslims\islam to mankind aside from bringing blood and sorrow?