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Matthew 22:30, For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

Luke 20:34-36 And Jesus said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage, but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and to the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage, for they cannot die anymore, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

Mark 12:22-25, And the seven left no offspring. Last of all the woman also died. In the resurrection, when they rise again, whose wife will she be? For the seven had her as wife.”Jesus said to them, “Is this not the reason you are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God? For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

The above verses confirmed that there is no marriage in heaven but the Islamic paradise is all about se.x which runs contrary to what Jesus preach and taught.

bimp08:
truth2god d words of ur mouth and d character u just portrayed shows who u really are. you are d least insulted here n even riklwayne handled d conversations in a matured manner. RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE INDEED.

Please take time and go through the threads created by Rilwayne so that your concern will be germane. I expected you to also disprove my observations\points, whether they are true or false, because you call me 'an intolerance'.

Rilwayne001:
<<<<<<<Go to the left please....thats where you belong

Do you mean your pedophile and psychopath prophet who discouraged adoption (cos he married zainab his adopted son's wife), sanctioned global discriminations (quran 9:29), encouraged inbreeding (marrying aisha, his first cousin), asked me to pay jizya (owo omo-onile) for not accepting his discriminatory 'gospel', belongs to the left?

Only a psychopath or ignoramus will accept mohammed (a warlord and serial murderer) as a prophet.

Rilwayne001:
This was instructed during a war time, the begining of the chapter and its historical context makes it clear that the chapter was not an eternal instruction.

To prove my point lets read this:

Surah Al-Mumtahina, Verse 8:
Allah does not [size=15pt] forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. [/size] Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity.

If you read carefully this^^ compared to the 9:29, you will see this is one is eternal instruction, while the other is mainly for that time. You don't continue americans to continue killing vietnamese anywhere they find them just because the president ordered them to kill vietnamese during the american/vietnam war, now that the war is over, we can't hold his word against him any longer.

For at the end of the surah 9 that you provided, it was stated that:

Surah At-Taubah, Verse 129:
[size=13pt] But if those [who are bent on denying the truth] turn away, say: "God is enough for me! There is no- deity save Him. In Him have I placed my trust, for He is the Sustainer, in awesome almightiness enthroned." [/size]

Do you get my point?

Quran 9:29-30: Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight]
until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?

Rilwayne, the quran is so clear, muslims are asked to FIGHT those who do not believe in the last day nor hate what alllah and mohammed hate nor believe mohammed believe.

As a christian (pple of the scripture) who do not accept mohammed as a prophet, mohammed commanded I pay jizya (protection tax) and that I must willingly feel subdued.

Lastly (in quran 9:30) mohammed asked\prayed alllah to destroy me because of my belief in trinity.

Can you see why we christians believe your prophet is false and a mafia boss who preach war, oppressions, injustice, intolerence of other faith and beliefs.

These verses are open-ended instructions being currently used by the saudi, sudan, Iran, afghanistan, pakistans, yemen etc against all the 'infidels', like me, in muslim world.

Stop defending the evils of pedophilic mohammed (peace be upon me)

He is an agent of darkness zealously seeking e-disciples.

BERNIMOORE:
you have NOT denied that your church(Assemblies of God also ADVOCATE such trademake lies either; the issue is relating to the topic, and will be discussed right here so that the forum will understand the position of the jw. thanks for joining issues with the 1914 issue

i repeat again that;

1, your church(True2God's church; The Assemblies of God church Actually predicted armageddon in 1914, and changes to 1919 and 1945, among numerous other expectations, true or false

what scares you to deny my claim? your silence to either admit or deny could be termed as 'you consented'


2, Excomunication issue, Assasination attempt on your church's Gen Sup. shall be for another thread

so shall we fire on? on (1) above

The BARRISTER of JW will always live on lies and deflections. There is no any official prophesy from Assemblies of God, be it 1914 or any other date, when armageddon will happen. Create a thread where Assemblies of God made a false prophesy (like your watchtower), so that we can discuss it.The only organization still holding unto this indefensive and unsensible lies (1914 christ 'presense') is the watchtower which you are defending.

Go and read 1984 edition of 'FOREVER YOU CAN LIVE IN PARADISE EARTH'.

I wonder how honest you could be in real life when you defend lies with all your time\energy. If watchtower GB is reading NL, they will be impress with your gullibility and pseudo-knowledge, and this will do you no good.

BERNIMOORE:
see who is talking about 1914 and armagedon, i cant laugh

1, your church Assemblies of God church predicted armageddon in 1914, and changes to 1919 and 1945, true or false, goolgle that now
2, your church doctrine do not include ''excomunication of members'' but hypocritically, you have embraced it through the back door as your light is getting better


Reverend Emeka was reported to have been excommunicated by the AGC after allegations of misappropriation of funds and several misconducts were levelled against him
ist it a shame that assasination attempt is made by members of your church to the General Superintendent of Assemblies Of God Church Reverend Emeka

[size=14pt]'Some Pastors Plan To Assassinate Me' - General Superintendent Cries Out[/size]
http://pulse.ng/religion/assemblies-of-god-church-some-pastors-plan-to-assassinate-me-general-superintendent-cries-out-id3252230.html

lets start with that one too, i want to engage you!

Dont deflect the argument as usual, stick to the topic bro. You can as well open a thread on Assemblies of God 'prophesies' or scandals in Assemblies of God church, whichever topic you might want to use.

This thread is all about the trademake lies JW is telling, concerning 1914, which they do not want to stop till now, but are fine-tuning it.

Dont be a BARRISTER for lies and confusions.

The genesis of all this argument is the 1914 JW trademark false prophesy which they (Jehovah witness) still hold as 'bible truth' till date, despite the fact that this 1914 falsehood had been debuked severally as a lie.

While other dates prophesied (1918, 1925, 1975, 1984) had been jetisoned (by the same watchtower as 'mistakes'), the 1914 was retained because so much time, money, energy, public info had been invested on the year 1914 as a bedrock of modern JW doctrine and any attempt at debukin the year, as another mistake, could have a significant effect on the watchtower movement as a whole.

So to keep the JW organization functioning and retain membership loyalty, the 1914 fallasy must remain as an officially sanctioned doctrine that must not be questioned by any JW member (or else he\she will be disfellowshipped).

However, the doctrine of 'the generation that witnessed\saw 1914' must be consistently tailored to always meet current scriptural needs (as the light gets brighter) because the JW doctrines are prone to changes (as deemed necessary by the governing body, the discreet slaves at Brooklyn office of the watchtower organization).

frosbel:
you make yourself a liar by calling me an atheist and then refuse to help me understand the inconsistencies of the virgin birth.

Are you not another blind follower of religion ??

You are getting very predictable and also irredeemable. I have no time to explain anything, cos I knw that your next question\thread would be, 'How do you proove that God really exist?'.

I can't exert my energy\brain\time on you because you are on NL, as an atheist, attempting to draw people from God and to equally seek undue attention.

I pray God to forgive you.

Frosbel is an attention seeking atheist on NL who need to be ignored. Engaging him in a long argumnent is a futile exercise.

I made my first obeservation concerning his atheistic leaning in 2012, he is gradually opening up on his REAL belief.

Emusan:
Guten Abend und wie geht's?

Which language is this?

frosbel:
of course and we should move on to perfection, but can you honestly say that in the last 48 hours you have not made ONE mistake ? If you say yes, then you are a hypocrite.

By the way, do you know that deeper life pride themselves in being a holy church, holier than most other churches ? In fact they boast about it quite a lot.

Is pride not a sin ? Is boasting not a sin ? Or is it by our own power or works that we overcome sin ?

smh at churchianity followers.

Do you have problem with deeperlife or the bible? Are you a christian or an atheist parading yourself a chritian on NL? Ok, which assembly\organization\church do you fellowship with?

How can I call myself a christian and at the same time fornicating, stealing, lying, cheating etc? You case (or your bad teachings) is getting irredeemable.

It is better for a pastor to preach righteousness, to preach that christians work towards perfection which pastor kumuyi emphasizes so much. Once attended a church where a pastor said fornication is not a sin. Which of the two churches would you prefer?

@ op, don't listen to enemies of christ and godliness who are on NL to deceive many. The apostle paul asked 'shall we continue is sin that grace may abound?' The answer is NO.

PastorKun:
This aptly describes oyakhilome and other charlatans parading themselves as men of God.

I am not an oyakhilome worshipper\follower, neither am I in the capacity to judge his activities.

Preach\follow christ and let God be the judge, remove the clog in your eyes first so that you can see clearly before you post.

Yooguyz:
It is even possible that Frosbel is an athiest in reality, parading as a christain in nairaland, in order to mock christians?

The bible warned us to beware of wolf in sheep clothing. He is a dangerous human being whose doctrines\beliefs is filled with lies, and aggressively, and also cunningly, trying to draw people away from God.

I know their type and how to handle them.

frosbel:
First off, it is difficult to educate brainwashed religious adherents like you because your faith is not specifically in Christ but in your church's doctrines about Christ. Therefore you cannot leave your cult or should we say church because to do so would be akin to admitting that you have been wrong all this time, something which is very scary as it was also to me.

You see, there is no trick you can try on me that I have not witnessed or been a part of for over 20 years in the prison of pentecostal insanity. My deliverance came after very bad experiences and eye openers into the decay and rot that exist in these so call churches. Indeed they are "like whitewashed tombs--beautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead people's bones and all sorts of impurity. ...".

I am now enjoying my liberty in Christ, free from the tyranny and dominion of men, men such as Chris who are really wolves, charlatans and usurpers of the place of Christ in his own body. Their judgement does not linger.

You guys continue to adore and worship a man who has no respect for his wife and is meanwhile parading as a man of God, lol. Continue in your delusion while I continue to free the deluded.

I fellowship with assemblies of God church and I am not ashamed of that. While I may not like some unbiblical practices in some churches and by some so-called men of God, that does not give me the right to condemn all churches and all men of God or place them in the same basket as you are fruitlessly doing on nairaland. You are only exposing the evil person you are, by your attempt to 'pull down', even the true body of christ (which you cannot).

Since you are not a christian and\or ashame of identifying with any body of christ, you are free to choose atheism (cos islam may not even accept u).

frosbel:
what else is new ? Sheople defending their idols and idolatrous pagan doctrines under the guise of following Christ.

You do not know Christ, period !

Bro you don't knw what christianity entails and you don't have any relationship with christ. Go and ask God to lead you aright and repent from your incessant blasphemy.

In every endeavour we have wheats and chaffs, real and fakes, original and conterfeits. For the fact that there are fake currency notes everywhere does not mean that the origin currently notes are no longer valid for transactions.

Go and teach your new age gospel to the gullible. For the last time, which church\organization\assembly do you worship? Hw many pple have you led to christ recently?

Are you ashame of answering these questions even in an anonymous forum?

Yooguyz:
You you've ran away, after saying that you will prove that TB joshua is fake, you quickly abandoned the thread now you are openlng a new thread on pastor Chris!

How long did it take you to pixmix the video. Mtcheeeeew

Don't mind him, he thrives in controversy and will usually run away if his thread doesnt come the way he expected. He is the only nairalander who is not stable in his bible belief.

frosbel:
we have one master the Lord Jesus
we have one church in which the true Spirit dwells, it is not a building or location.
we have one gospel, the gospel of the kingdom of God and it's imminent physical manifestation.
the gospel is free for freely you have received so freely give it to others.
the church was never about attendance at a physical location or listening to one man every sunday
the church's main purpose is to showcase God and his kingdom principles by the way we interact with each other and the wider community. These God principles include but are not limited to love, kindness, alleviating the plight of the poor and oppressed, forgiveness, tolerance, patience, contentment etc.

the rest are fakes.........

I have not gotten your point. I asked you if you have preached christ to anyone lately, I asked you the place you worship, I asked you who your living mentor is (aside from christ, paul said 'follow me as i follow christ' and live a clean life), I asked you the assembly or church you fellowship with (cos the bible asked us not to forsake the assembly together of the pple of God). All these simple questions you cannot answer.

So bros, stop pulling down the gospel on the internet, which had been your trademark for about 2yrs now. Even a thousand 'frosbels' cannot stop the gospel of christ from flourishing.

There are human factors affecting the preachers of the gospel (they are human and not spirits or angels) that makes them imperfect and some might be tempted with earthly needs and pleassures, that does not mean that God's word won't still make impact in pple's lives through the preachers of the gospel.

Are you a preachers of the gospel or are you being held by 'anti-christ' spirit?

frosbel:
With mugus lining up to support false prophets and false doctrines , why are we surprised to see so much confusion and madness being practised in the name of Christianity in Nigeria especially.

Gurus, charlatans, pimps and desperados have hijacked the gospel for their own agenda and destroyed many lives in the process. The congregations of these self-apointed MOG are packed with itching ear, pleasure loving , money chasing and illiterate 'believers' who instead of studying to show themselves approved of God, rely on the whims, caprices and evil plans of these usurpers.

This is no joke. These men are anti-christ because they have overthrown the position of Christ in his people, they have become the christs that mediate between men and god, they have brought eastern spiritual practices to fake the real thing and deceive the sheople . Most of the Nigerian sheople who are chasing after fame, wealth etc have fallen into this diabolical trap.

You guys don't even know what the gospel is about , talk less of preaching it, thats why the Nigerian church is producing thousands of atheists and disillusioned believers on a yearly basis.

until you go back to Christ for spiritual norishment and revival , you are doomed.

According to frosbel:

1) All churches are fake.

2) All preachers are fake

3) Don't attend any church, stay at home on sundays.

4) Don't spend your money\resources for the gospel, the pastors are thieves that are after your money.

5) Except frosbel, any other person cannot understand the bible or correct him where he errs.

6) Nigerian christians\churches (except frosbel) are charllatans who have no knowledge of the bible and are being deceived, etc.

If however I may ask you once again, how many people have you positively impacted their lives? How many people have you preached the gospel of christ to in your neighbourhood? Who is your living spiritual mentor\role model? Which church\organization\assembly to you fellowship?

Since you cannot answer any of these questions, I think you should keep quiet (from making e-noices) and start preachings christ to the world. You are not better than the people you are condemning and a negetive influence rather.

You can choose atheism but don't draw people away from God through your 'serpentile' gospel.

Aside from criticizing christians\pastors\churches on NL, it will be good for Mr 'solomon' frobel to share with us the contribution he is making lately for the propagation of the gospel.

How many people has he preached christ to in his neighbourhood? When last did he go to church and which church does he attend? Which pastor, by frosbel's standard, is preaching\doing the right thing?

I'm no pastor chris fan or follower, but frosbel's attack on all pastors\christians\denominations made be conclude he is a satanic agent bent on subtly fighting the people with the pretext of 'exposing' them.

Instead of channelling all your energy fighting christ and the church, why dont you spend the same time preach repentance and righteousness.

The common denominator is that ALL the terrorist organizations listed are islamic in nature.

Abuamam:
Sunnis do not practice taqiyya. Lying is prohibited in Islam even in worldly affairs, how much more lying about our Creator and His Laws.

I am just tired of answering the same set of questions worded in ten different ways.

Do you accept hadith as a good source of Islamic doctrines If you do, i will give you some hadith where taqiyya is sanctioned in Islam.

It is not news that in saudi arabia, you will be arrested if a bible is found in your hoouse. You will be arrested, even if you hold a private christian prayer without the neighbours being aware. In saudi arabia, one can be executed for leaving Islam (after being given the opportunity to 'repent').

So Abuamam, stop 'al-taquyying'. There is no religios freedom in islamic countries, as we have it in europe and america.

No pakistani muslim, tunisian muslim, morrocan, somali, sudanese, Iranian, Iraqi, sudaneses, Indonesian (or any islamic nation muslims) that can seek citizenship in another muslim country. All muslims will always seek american or european citizenship (the land of the 'infidel' christians). Why?? Muslim nations are too harsh for normal human beings to stay. They constantly live in fear and their women cannot persue academic or professional career.

Mohammed (peace be upon me) is not a good example to follow. It is only a man of 51, without concience, that can lust after a girl of 6. It is only a man, without concience, that can lust after her adopted son's wife (zainab). It is only a man without concience that will authorize sex with slaves.

The consequence of mohammed's action with respect to marrying zainab, his adopted son's wife, is that adoption is no longer permissible in Islam. This is in order not to hold mohammed responsible for any wrong action.

Aisha, ironically, was mohammed's cousin whom he took as a wife. So first cousin marriage is perfect in Islam (or among arabs) which is totally against our African culture.

dolphinheart:
Questions
1) can I go to saudi Arabia if inserted to my passport or other documents are titles such as bishop or pastor? Will I be giving visa if the saudi authority know I'm a Christian reliflgious leader?

2)can I publicly read my bible in saudi Arabia?

3) can non Muslims gather to pratise their religion in saudi Arabia?
4) what is the punishment for leaving Islam in saudi Arabia?

5)what is oppression in islam

Dont mind Abuaman, he is an al-taqiyya artist.

Dominiquez:
Hitting the nail at the head.
Take it or leave it.
Islam is the worst virus that has infected the world.

I agree with you, it is the worst virus.

It is shocking that immigrants who fled their arabian Islamic hell-hole to have a better life in Europe and America are always trying to undermine constituted authority in the name of religion. It is high time those countries tried deporting them en-mass anytime they come up with their obnoxios 'sharia-compliant' demands.

If Islamic way of life is the best, why struggle to come to the west en-mass.

Mike Ghouse is a Indian-american great al-taqiyya artist and a great defender of the muslim faith.

This book, 'Quran is not for muslims', is one of his al-taqiyya material designed to fool the gullible infidels (especially the Jewish and christian americans).

Quran 5:51, Quran 9:5, Quran 9:29-30 etc had already nullified this book.

It is possible the sultan is taking his time before writing his letter to boko-haram. Or maybe he is looking for the right grammar and tenses that will suit the letter.

Pastor Ayo should cool down, he may write the letter before March 2015.

In summary, charity begins at home.

If they match towards Jerusalem, they will be crushed like ant.