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1ndidi2: I have this aunt that was made LG chairman! Meeen! Come and see her slapping grown up- pot bellied- dimkpa/agbalagba MEN anyhow! U even had to answer her as 'yes sir'

True most of us tend to overdue it.

'u even have to ansa her as ''yes sir'', dis really crack me up.

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BARRISTERS: i have adressed your response, but as a ysterday and paceless man, you only adressed truthislight, and jumped my response

even Boomark aknowledge it, see boldly on this page;

Boomark response;


do you ask yourself why someone that i adressed your post together is confirming this above, but you are lost, are you suffering from parkinsson's disease? if not you will not write these below;



again we are concerned about the topic 'jesus as archangel micheal or not' you were lost and using irrelevant to the topic issues as a cover up!

why are you snubbing your failed prophecy that i pasted, disprove it now! ole!

see you face below, Anofiaaaa!

Lol. Dats mr Bean. Just as find it difficult to reason properly dats also y u can hardly identify someone.

The six dogmas (lies) i highlited as u r being tot u believe as 'bible truth' u hav failed to address.

U better go back to seconddary school and learn ways of reasoning as an adult.

BARRISTERS: true2God failed predictions part 1(more parts are coming)


TRUE2GOD


true2God changing gear and making u turn, he agreed that some bible translations actually rendered malachi 3:1 as angels



what a doom prophet true2God!

I gave a full response, and if u r not mischievous in ur argument quote the full length of my response den u can do ur analysis.

Hope u saw my recent post and u choose to turn a blind eye. Disprove my post i did just before now.

Hypocrites and liars (barrister\falsehoodisdarkness).

truthislight: i pity for you really and what you stand for.

I hope you will not die of guilty conscience due to the lies you and your cohorts have posted/said on NL to defamed JW when there were no people to adequately defend the truth.

But see the same you st.pidly messing yourself up without an iota of bible truth/knowledge.

Your cry on this thread is a function of a troubled conscience and it will remained so until you start begging God for forgiveness for the lies you have stood for on this forum against the truth of God's word the bible.

Were there is light darkness cannot stand.

Your are a disgrace.

I just hope you will not have a heart problem the way you are going.

Ur choice of words always expose ur level of reasonin. So i dnt tink i hav anytin much to say about u. Dont really knw hw old u r.

truthislight: bearing in mind that you are not new on this forum am very surprise that you did not show your face one bit to defend this your "doctrine" while it was being trashed out in this forum which i believed an honest person will have done, but no, you did not show your face then, but see you here shamelessly posting doctrines That most regulars here have already upgraded upon and are moving on.

What is really happening to you?

Has your hatred for the JW blinded you this much that you are still being blinded up to this level?

I am really having pity for you.

Kettle callin pot black. I hav no hatred for JW or anybody but hatred for falsehood. I dnt even tink u read watchtower to see hw dey condemn christendom. Anyway dat apart. U called bible doctrines dogma and to u the following are not dogma:

1) Jesus christ starting his reign in 1914

2) Prophets of old will come down to earth in 1925 (berth serim).

3) the king of the north and the king of the south are both uunited states and nazi-germany before ww2 (reasonin frm the scriptures edition before 1945) and the king of the north and the king of the south were anglo-america and and the soviet union (reasoning frm the scriptures after 1945)

4) not all who witnessd world war 1 will die till Jehova make earth paradise (living forever in paradise on earth)

5) Blood transfussion is canibalis, but u can accept blood fraction (on medical issue)

6) Jesus christ is the mediator between God and only 144,000. Not all men. Etc

if any1 beleive on these pooo as truth being taught by JW, the person should hav his brain examined.

BARRISTERS: @true2God



with this statement above, you have lost your relevance on nairaland,infact you have lost relevance or being taken seriously since page (19) maybe you need bigger lenses or pretend,making forcefull denial in front of strong proofs below, see these bibles, some as old as your grandfathers (1899)

MALACHI 3:1

"Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and [size=14pt]the Lord[/size] whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, and the[size=16pt] Angel of the covenant,[/size] whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts". - DARBY

"Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, [size=16pt]and the Angel of the covenant[/size], whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts". - BBE - Bible in Basic English (modern english)

"BEHOLD, I send My messenger, and he shall prepare the way before Me. And the Lord the Messiah, Whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; the [size=16pt]Messenger or Angel of the covenant,[/size] Whom you desire, behold, He shall come, says the Lord of hosts". - Amplified Bible.

can you see now with your olodo-agbero-ome-ita small brain?

even[size=18pt] see how animals are laughing at you[/size],because they knew that your lies are obvious,

Heb 1:5 reads 'for unto which of the angels said he(God) at any time, ''u r my Son, today have i beggoten u? And again, ''i will be to him a father and he shall be to me a son''.

Compare this verse with hw it was rendered in malachi u will understand better (if at all u hav the power of simple comprehension).

The problem with u is that WTS has beclouded ur sense or reasoning and judgement and its quite unfortunate. (I used to think u were logical and comprehend well but u always proved me wrong). If u dnt understand, the verse is simply tellin us dat at no time had God tell any angel (whether angel michael or not) ' u (Jesus) r my Son today hav i beggottn u'.

Ur willful misinterpretation of this simple verse (written in a very simple and understandable language) made me doubt ur integrity and honesty as a person. To justify ur mischief u start quotin encyclopedia and dictionary to nullify a simple verse dat, even a nursry sch pupil will easily grasped. Really dnt knw dat such pple still still exist. Its quite unfortunate.

BARRISTERS: @true2God



with this statement above, you have lost your relevance on nairaland,infact you have lost relevance or being taken seriously since page (19) maybe you need bigger lenses or pretend,making forcefull denial in front of strong proofs below, see these bibles, some as old as your grandfathers (1899)

MALACHI 3:1

"Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and [size=14pt]the Lord[/size] whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, and the[size=16pt] Angel of the covenant,[/size] whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts". - DARBY

"Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, [size=16pt]and the Angel of the covenant[/size], whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts". - BBE - Bible in Basic English (modern english)

"BEHOLD, I send My messenger, and he shall prepare the way before Me. And the Lord the Messiah, Whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; the [size=16pt]Messenger or Angel of the covenant,[/size] Whom you desire, behold, He shall come, says the Lord of hosts". - Amplified Bible.

can you see now with your olodo-agbero-ome-ita small brain?

even[size=18pt] see how animals are laughing at you[/size],because they knew that your lies are obvious,

The problem u hav is dat virtually evry1 dat had had encounter wit u on nairaland has knwn u and ur level of reasoning. So im not shocked at any of ur post.

I still stand to be corrected, many authors rendered messengers as angels, even tho' they (the messangers are not partcularly angels) while others do not. Many bible translators never rendred this verse as angels 'of the covenant', most rendered it as 'messenger of the covenant'. John the baptist was also rendered (by some translations) as 'angel' as well in dis same verse and chapter of malachi. According ur ur reasoniing, John being rendered here as an angel is 'symbolic' or non literal but christ being renderec here as 'angel of the covenant' is literal. Take an instance, many guys call their wife\girl friend 'my angel', does dat make ladies\women\wives\girls angels? No.

U need to tink beyond d box most times; stop being irrational pls. The person of christ bears no ambiguity just dat the likes like u hav zeroed off ur mind to believ wishfully any doctrine passed acros to u without any sense of judgement or reasoning. Read the bible for ursef im sure ur opinion will be fine-tuned on dis subject matter.

The prophets of old renderd christ as mighty God (emphaticallly without ambiguity as broght in by watchtower org ), pslams quoted the father rendering the son thus:'your throne oh God is for ever and ever' . The father called the son 'God or mighty God' in some bible passages and not angel michael as u r being false made to believe.

Its unfortunate that foolishless and ignorance is no respect to any person or certificate.

BARRISTERS: furthermore;


bolded above, jesus christ (the name that fired him above every other name was not mentioned but concealed for a purpose)

jesus never elevate himself had it being he was the almighty God[size=14pt] but he was elevated [/size]by a 'superior father' who made him better than the angels only after he obtained 'the exelent name' (jesus);

heb 1:4;
4, Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name [/i]than they

what is contained in isiah 9:6 are mere fleet of titles,

[size=12pt]here is the real 'name' concealed from mere titles in OT especially isa 9:6;
[/size]
philipians 2:9-11

9 Wherefore [i]God also hath highly exalted him, and given him[b] a name which is above every name:[/b]

10 That at the name of [size=18pt]Jesus [/size]every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that [size=18pt]Jesus Christ is Lord[/size], to the glory of God the Father.

The title 'Mighty God' was used for jesus and ALMIGHTY GOD was for the father the creator, NOWHERE WAS ALMIGHTY GOD used for jesus!

Exudus 6:3;

3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of[size=16pt] God Almighty[/size], but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them

other gods

the title God or god originally were in vowels in hebrews, so the issue of uppercase and lowercase were subject to debate.see wikipedia 'Gods name' but depending on how we value our Creator,as christians we choose to use uppercase for our cherished God Almighty as in exod. 6:3 above. while we also distinguish between Almighty God and jesus using Uppercase LORD (Almighty) in OT and lowercase 'lord'(jesus) respectively;

so when God said;
Exodus 20:3 "You shall have [b]no other gods [/b]before me

or when paul was reffered to a 'god' in acts 28:6

it shows that there exist other gods apart from the Almighty creator, hence Mighty God/god,we are not denying jesus as a mighty God since words like mighty angels too were used in the bible, but the word or title ALMIGHTY was never used for jesus, and besides, they are mere titles.

So ur challenges here us dat Jesus was called mighty God and not almighty God so he is not God but an angel. An angel is called mighty God and u hav sense of reasoning to concur to dat. Dats bad of u cos im vry sure u neva study the bible independently but just quotin dogmas as taught u by WTS.

I doubt if ur barristership is not even questionable given ur style of reasonin. Anyway anyone can chose Bill Gate as his NL ID dat will not take away the fact that he might even hav a basic knowlegde of internet surfing.

ijawkid: And I asked you somÉtime ago what changes you've made ever since the witnesses have been singing into peoples ears that tithing,the trinity,the spurious hell fire dogma,the immortality of the soul,christians Éngaging in war and politics isn't for christians??...........

Have you stopped celebrating xmas even as it has been clearly proven as pagan times without number??.........have you??.................the witnesses come every time to your doors on dec 25 to debunk the folly of xmas,have you for once humbly made a little adjustment??..........

My brother Íf you were humble you should have been boldly giving rebuttals to those scriptures that were quoted rather you've been yapping about Watchtower..................

Ýou and your colleagues argued that the bible never ever called Jesus an ""angel"".......Lo and behold malachi came to the rescue...instead of trying to gulp in that truth,you rather resorted to adhominems.......

The difference between you and a JW is humility and a willingness to learn more from the scriptures rather than holding on to traditions that have no scriptural foundation..................

When you are ready to tackle the presented scriptures then I in person would be ready to discuss with you............

Malachi never called or interpreatwd Jesus as an angel, neither did any new testament apostle or teacher hold this view. Neither do 99% of oda xtain congregations held dis believe.

On ths issue of tithing, malachi 3:9 support dis doctrine. The same malachi u guys ar quotin ur bogus 'jesus=angel michael' (tho false) support tithing in the synagogue and yet u discard it wen u wanna discredit any organization dat holds contarry view to urs. Hw do expect the church to fund its varios activities in dis modern era? I believ u might be a financial expert and ur input in church financing will be welcome. Or do u prefare all churches printing and sellin magazines to finance their activities?

On the issue of trinity pls explain isiaiah 9:6, 1tim3:16, heb 1:8, John 1:1, den i will giv u my response.

On the issue of hell fire, did jesus warned of the dangers of hell fire? Did he give a story about the richman and lazarus to butres his point? Did mathew say anytin about hell fire and the final judgement? I need ur input?

On the immortality of the soul, i will giv u numeros bible verses dat talked about it soonest.

I knw u hav been taught in ur org. Dat bible doctrines are all dogmas, so im not surprised.

See my responses later.

TroGunn: The 24 elders are likely humans who will "reign with Christ" in heaven. - Rev 20: 4-6

Since begotten means to produce, originate or bring forth, Christ was begotten at his creation, obviously as a spirit being, being the sole direct creation of the Father. This firstborn Son was different from all other sons of God, because all the other sons were created or begotten by Yahweh through that firstborn Son. - Colossians 1:15-20.
Note that this does not make Christ the Creator, since he was carrying out his Father's instructions. His Father is the sole Creator or source of all things. Christ was the agent used for creation after being created himself.

Christ's elevation, after his successful mission as a human relates to the titles he then received as prophesied in Isa 9:6. Though he was already only begotten Son by virtue of his being created first and also an archangel being a leader of angels, after his death as a human and resurection, God elevated him even further. Christ is indeed very mighty - only his Father Yahweh is mightier than him in all the universe.

Pls quote the isaiah 9:6 in full. And interprete its meaning properly.

LesbianBoy: No weapon fashioned against messi's record shall prosper!.....where were all these people for the past 40years that muller was being celebrated.......SMH

Btw ronaldo might be behind all this we may never know

Im seriosly suspecting C Ronaldo and real madrid in all this drama. Anyway God pass dem all join together. Messi carry go joooor.

Ifilinwa: That house doesn't look enticing @all, nd d couch is dull.. Gene should do something in that house

Show us the pix of ur living room. Yeye!

Paxchal: The deathtraps on roads they refused to repair is haunting them in the sky...

Rip to dead.

Short and simple.

Boomark: WRONG!

This is where you and true2god are getting it wrong. If you should follow that then it means you must grab trinity with all thy heart and with all thy soul. This is what has blinded so many people: "majority carries the vote." Is it so with the way to the kingdom of God?

No body is talking about SDA, JW or watchtower. Put those things aside and start debunking any passage you feel is wrongly interpreted.

Who told u i dnt believe in the unity of the godhead, the father, the son and the holy spirit as one? Dats the matter for another thread sha.

Ubenedictus: u want marry am?

Lol.

ralfo85: Maybe we should go back to properly understanding the purpose of that statement by paul. It was not meant to prove that Jesus was not an Angel, but that he has surpassed the angels by decree of God and has attained a loftier position. YOU may read the same Hebrews 1 from verse 1, or better still just from verse 4.
The words in verse 5 are a quotation from Psalms 2:7 (Psalm 2:7 New International Version (NIV)7 I will proclaim the Lord’s decree:He said to me, “You are my son; today I have become your father.)
The tone of the passage suggests a change of status, like an adoption. Thus Paul could infer that Jesus attained a change of status and has now attained a position that is unique and makes him different from the angels. He is now God's son has be given the power and authority that only the "only begotten son of God" could have.

Paul was encouraging the hebrew christians through these arguments to show them that faith in Jesus vital for there salvation, and that all that he said about himself was sure to come true. Reading Hebrews 2:1,2 makes this fact clearer, where he states that if all the words God spoke through angels came true (facts that they the Hebrew Christians have evidence of since they were of jewish background), would the declarations of God through his only begotten son not come true? If they believed in the angels, it would be unreasonable to lose faith in Jesus given that he was (is)God's own son, not just a messanger (like the angels)

Pauls words don't prove that Jesus was not an angel.

I am sorry if u give this response in a comprehension passage (let assume dat the first chapters of hebrew comes out in waec) u will score F9 cos u already form or had a personal opinion on the passage and definitely not the author's opinion.

The book of Hebrew nullifies all ur attepmts to imposed a wrong interpretation to the person of christ. No offence.

'...for unto which of the ANGELS DID GOD EVER SAY' (by simple logic the verse is referring to all the angels). Any attempts to read another meaning to dis simple english\sentence is both biased and mischievous.

TroGunn: The conclusion is as clear as day.

Clearly Archangel is Jesus Christ - same voice, same specific actions is Jesus and Archangel . Other bible verses show Jesus being referred to as an Angel. Of course Christ is higher than other angels, and is subordinate only to God.

Of course, this won't stop people from believing what they want to believe whether it tallies with the Bible or not. The danger for such persons is that they imply they know more than God.

This is a rehearsed response from ur kingdom hall as u guys are usually drilled to response in ur assembly anytime a question or argument is possed to u guys.
This 'truth' can only be sold to the members of ur organization cos its a biased organizational interpretation working and perfectin proof against the 'trinitarians' or the 'christendom' as ur pple will always put it.

Ther is no specific verse in the bible where u can quote and close ur bible to tell a lay man the Jesus is an angel.

truthislight: my friend, it looks like you have stagnated because of this your "watchtower" complains?

Please have a life!

That is why it is not good for one to be fixated on "hurting" others.

Imagined your contribution on this thread?

You have been nothing more than a nuisance.

Please have "a life", so that you can move on on.
Peace

My question to u is not bible based u knw. Its just a honest man-to-man question and no offence. I still ask u, do u believe that all wat watchtower is teaching u as at now is true? If yes, dats ok. I am puttin it to u dat at least 7% of wat they r telling u today as bible truth will definitly be nuliffied as false in 15yrs time (wen the light becomes brighter).

And if u want to drag me into JW doctrinal changes over the yrs i will gladly give u many instances where they have changed their doctrine, or go back to doctrines\teachings the formally interprete in different ways.

I am not here talking about xmas, birthday, easter, or new yr celebrations.

Remeber that in the original JW teachin Jesus was not arch-angel michael as it is presently promoted by watchtower.

B4 xtainity in africa there were inter-tribal marriages and the pple were happy. I think pple are takin many things out of context and besides many parents want their daughters to 'settle-down' with a 'bigman'. That good by the way.

But my opinion is that if that prostestant is highly 'loaded' and vry successfull all those conditions will not count. Its all about what is stand to gain. Catholics are not always discriminatory wen it comes to the issue of marriage. This incident is a one-off thing.

I am not a catholic sha.

cr8v: Sorry I can't continue this discussionn I thought I was discussing with a mature person. Nairaland shd better start displaying peoples age close to their names so we know who to avoid. Somebody on Nairaland doesn't understand what it means to say that God is in need of resources both human and material to further His purpose on earth. Not that he lacks anything but looking for who He will release His blessings to and the person will still be mindful to collaborate with His family the church to defeat the enemy

The hospitals, schools and church buildings u see are not built with prayer alone. Billions went into it ⌣̊┈̥-̶̶̯̥͡·̵̭̌✽̤̥̈̊ơ̴̴̴͡k̤̥̈̊·̵̶̭̥̌-̶̯͡┈̥‎⌣!

Make ur point and allow others to make theirs. U r not the wisest person on earth.

truthislight: already too deep?

Lol. Lol. Lol.

My question to u is dis, do u accept all what watchtower is teaching u today as nothing but the truth? I guess your answer to this question is YES in the affirmative.

If watchtower comes tomorrow and teach a slightly different thing (if anoda light gets brighter), against what u hav been tradtionally taught as 'the bible truth', will u accept it without question?

I think it is high time all food hawkers, including purewater pple, get registerd so as to knw who and who sell food to the public. This is a vry serios crime dat must not be taken lightly. This guys r murderous.

My pple frm the east should do more of orientation to our pple dat making money at all cost is not the best way out of poverty. I am disapointed with some of my pple, especialy wen i read ugly stories like dis.

No ethnic bashin pls cos virtually all the tribes in naija have a tendency of doing such. Na God go help us for dis country.

truthislight: ^^^

good to know that you are well.

I pray u and i will be alive when watchtower will give u 'a new light' on dis matter. They hav done it before, they r doing it now and dey will do it again.

I hope u wont feel embarrasd wen they tell u dat Jesus is anoda person entirely with some new 'research' and inconsistent quotes frm the scriptures to bring more confusion to ur understanding of the scriptures. U had better do ur personal study of d scriptures and stop usin watchtower magazines as a guide to interpreting the sciptures.

It is highly misleading, i knw u wont take dat cos u r already too deep to see dem do wrong or misinterprete bible verses.

lastpage: She wants to be "Mrs Melaye" by hook or crook!
It is obvious that some women have lost all sense of shame.

Will it not have been more prudent that she clears the air FIRST, on the baby's paternity before this senseless lavish naming?
Imagine, in this age of Technology, when that child grows up and starts reading about her "conception"?
How she was "unwanted, indiscriminately attached to different "father-to-be", rejected at conception, e.t.c!

Even if DNA ended up proving that it was his (Melaye's) sperm that fertilized that egg, that resulted in this unwanted baby, the fact still remains that she was "UNDESIRABLE" (unwanted pregnancy!, forced on the Man) right from day 1.

Cant she just go for a "quiet abortion" when she realized she has missed her period ......... instead of trying to do "attachee" to BIG MAN

I guess it all boils down to who Melaye is. (if na one omo-yiibo selling Puff-puff now or Pure water, she will not even tell him she is pregnant before flushing it!)

The man said he does not want a baby by you (afterall, you confessed to payment in form of Nice Cell phones and change of wardrobe! ) you say na lie, you must produce baby for him...wetin sef?

Ashawo no suppose dey get pregnant now?

Oya, carry the man go court for Abuja(l mean London joor) and "FORCE HIM" to pay Maintenance and Child support!

Yeyee dey smell.

Lastpage

Wetin consain u inside dis tin sef with all dis long story? U and the lady dey quarel b4? Na wa 4 some pple oooo. Pple dey make mistake dat one no make u come crucify dem like dis nau.

U wan tell me say u holy pass?

ijawkid: Very good question.........just keep them questions coming and let true2GOD sweat profusely while trying to give a reply......

Im sorry i hav to start work for the week in earnest. Will respond to ur 'querried' by weekend. Man must start hussle for the week. See ya den.

ijawkid: Boomark you know true2God has not been sincere with this whole discussion....

All I want from y'all is sincerity...

1...It has been proven with the scriptures and renditions that Jesus was called an angel...

2...It has also been proven that the actions fortold by daniel of the arch angel MICHAEL parallels the exact same actions Jesus would carry out...
________________________

I have also asked a couple of questions that is yet to be answered....


Let's be sincere with ourselves here....the truth is right in front of us....

I stand nothing to gain here except using scriptures to interprete scriptures and establishing truths...

The singular reason why some here would rather die than accept Jesus was called an angel,is because of the trinity dogma......

Many have been dulled by this dogma that they deny clear written truths......boomark you know better....

I congratulate you,frosbel,plappville and a few others who have discarded the trinity dogma...that is even enough for me....

Nowhere it was not proven that Jesus was called an angel. He had been otherwise proven to be directly or indirectly called God:
Read Isaiah 9:6, 1timothy 3:16, Heb 1: 8, Rev 1:7-8, Rev 22:12-13, philipians 2:6-10, John 17:1-8, psalm 45: 6-7. Just read for now and compare and contrast to see if it alighed with ur angel michael dogma.

ijawkid: Oya sorry my brother...I apologize .......the bible teaches me to be humble and to be peacable with all men....so my brother true2God I apologize....

Thats good of u. U r learnig very fast. God bless u

Maryjanee: i have been following this thread, and i find it interesting. I am not a JW, but until today, i didnt know there was a scripture where Jesus is referred to as an angel..but Malachi quoted above makes it clear. Jesus is referred to as the "son of man" in d bible at least i have seen that before, dnt knw where. Is it ok to worship the "son of man"?

Jesus christ is many occassions regarded himself as the 'son of man'. He is right since he was in the flesh, in a human form, therefore he was regareded as a 'son of man'. All man born of a woman is a 'son of man'. But christ asked his disciples who he really was and Peter replied: 'u r the son of the living God'. Jesus is the 'son of the living God'. But as many as receive him he gave power, right, or privilege to become 'a son of God'. That is to say all human beings are 'sons of men' but not all human are 'sons of God'.

To put ur question right, let me say: is it right to worship the 'son of God'? My straight ansa is YES. This is because the father commanded it (Heb 1:. This is a topic for another thread but if my pple insist im wrong we will equally trash it out on dis thread. R u forbidden frm worshippin an angel? Yes.

Now the issue here is this, virtually most bible translation rendered Heb 1:8 as 'worship' except the NWT. The new word translation rendered the verse as 'obeisance'. There is a difference bw 'worship' and 'obeisance'. U worship a deity while pay obeisance (or pay homage as the case may be) to someone u respect or of a highly authority dan u, not necessarily a deity.

Now lets look at this scenario, during the 'cuba missile crisis of 1962', the americans imposed a naval blockade around cuba in order to avoid an in-flow of nuclear arms to cuba. Blockade in an international relation is an act of war. So in order for the american to remove any legal 'quabble' that might result as a result of their action, called 'blockade' Quarantine, so that their action would not be seen as a direct declaration of war against cuba.

Now back to the issue of 'worship' and 'obeisance', if the watchtower's NWT renderes Heb 1:8 as worship, the will be indirectly acceptin the didvinity of Christ, but if rendered obeisance it will read an entirely different meaning and provide a breathing space on their stance on the person of christ. But u can read the book of psalms 45: 6-7 and compare it with wat u hav in hebrew chapter one and draw ur independent concusion. Angels are not to be worshipd, not even angel michael. The 'son of God' can be worshipped.

Thank u.

ijawkid: You fÓrgot to add the trinity,tithing,immortality of the soul,Étc....

My brother you sound like someone who is hurt.............

I'll rather advice you to start discarding false doctrines right now instead of looking at the past of JW's..........

The JW's are light years ahead of you when It comes to propagating and adhering to sound bible doctrines...............

Start by discarding the greatest scam of christendom..."THE TRINITY"".........

If you get mind sha........

The four i mentioned above are the basic defense response u guys giv anytime u r accused for changin ur belief system and u knw they r not in the bible. I need to ask u a question, had there been anytime that Jw were asked to worship the son, together with the father? Let start frm there.

Freksy: Guy, I don't understand you again...oo. Do you mean BARRISTERS was the translator of DARBY, BBE (Bible in Basic English), Douay-Rheims Bible, Amplified Bible etc that all refer to Jesus as angel at Malachi 3:1?

Since he doesnt buy to ur falshood u cant understand him nau. If he had bought to ur fallacy u would hav been jumping and somersaulting and celebrating ur 'success'. Do u need anyman to validate ur point or the bible? U dnt need frosbal or any1 to accept ur lies.

BARRISTERS: @Boomark



just tell me that you are shocked to the brim when you saw jesus beign reffered to as an angel,

remember that when i fisrt qupted malachi 3;1 you denied seing angel there and could boast that no bible translation could use angel, but when you saw the last two translations, that rendered jesus as angel,havent i answerd your question? you switch to me to explain why a particular bible was written? anyway jesus was reffered to as an angel,mal 3:1. pls belly the shock, i can understand,ehn!

Nobody is shocked anywhere but only JW, dnt be myopic my guy. Nobody, cos nowhere in the Bible remotely or directly Jesus was called an angel. I heard this fallacy first in 2004 and i trashed it squrelly with the pedllers. Try ansa my questions i asked u earlier before spewing ur kingdom hall tailored 'shocked' cos that is one of the key words u r taught to use anytime u seem to bambooz ur ignorant prospect.