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nagoma: This guy is really ignorant. Never heard of the 30 year old sectarian war in the UK where even the whole UK cabinet got almost wiped out in one of the hundreds of attacks by the Catholics . Ministers and top government officials died . The prime minister ( Mrs. thatcher ) Was literally dug out of the hotel ruins that night in Brighton. Please go to school.
(By the way - your name guano - means bat excreta in Spanish , I am sure you know that.)

Never wanted to comment before until i got this response of urs. This ugly incidence happended in Ireland in particular where the catholics and the protestant xtains are always @ logger-head. But note that that the war between the shia and the sunni muslims had been existing for centuries and stil continue till date. And dont compare the frequency of the attacks and the intensity of destruction that do happen when the shia muslim attack sunni muslims.

The problem between the catholics and the protestants in ireland is a joke compare to that of sunni and shia muslims. But in all, this is a very unfortunate situation that we human-beings find ourselves, fighting in the name or religion.

I dnt think there is any organized religion in the life-after they way we human beings are practicing now cos i dnt think the father in heaven will sanction all these atrocities happening in the name of religion.

shymexx: The protests show the Chinese are still nationalists and they're down for the cause. China will annihilate Japan and the only thing USA would do, is just stand by and watch like it did when Russia was annihilating Georgia...

Japan is not Georgia and the chinese understand who they are dealin with. War is no longer on a one-on-one basis but based on strong alliance. If Japan were to be cambodia the chinese wuld hav invaded the island and occupy asap.

On the issue of Georgia, remember that great Joseph Stalin was the former chairman of old USSR and he is frm Georgia, a spliter state of the old soviet union. Take note of the importance of geography in time of war, there is no way the US can stop the Russian from defeatin Georgia cos Georgia is vry close to russia.

The buttomline remains dat the chinese cannot attempt any military action against the japs cos its suicidal. The worst dey can do is to sabotage the japs interest in china.

logica: You talk as if they willingly took that position of "neutrality". You forget that they were subjugated and neutralized by the Americans. America will never allow the "awakening" of a "sleeping" Japan. They will continue to administer enough dose of sleeping pills to keep them asleep forever.

My broda werrin japan do u now? Where did the americans get the drugs na?

frosbel: a non-denominational fellowship

Which church do u attend before u go non-denominational. If u cant ansa this simple question stop critsing all xtain denomination at wil. Or better still u can recommend one for all nairalanders dat u believ is perfect for dis world.

I never for once trust whoever is not confident enof to reveal his identity, i mean the church he attends especially wen a question is thrown at u in dis regard.

Dont be a hypocrite frosbel.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI]America and their disrespect for other ppl's religion, culture, etc.

Very crappy movie. More like a home video.[/quote]I stumbled into a copy of the koran one day and upon goin thru the pre-amble i was shocked. All the books of the bible from genesis to revelation was analysed, criticised and condemned, by the interpreters of another religion's holy book---koran. What amazed me most is the fact that i i expect the world council of churches, or @ least the xtain to take action on these but i hav not seen any. Maybe im not informed on this.

Another fact is jews and xtains are seen as enemies of islam, even in the koran. The koran specifically encourages the killing of xtains and jews wherever they r found and not to hav anytin to do wit them. Thats y islamic extremist can go any length at obeyin dis injucntion of the koran dat encourages hate.

Not uuntil the traditional muslim community come to learn the fact the world has evolved beyond mohammed period and some of his teachings or 'revelations' has no place in dis modern world, the problem will continue.

I condemn the movie and i equally condemn the killings thats happening: its uncalled for.

The fact is that if the muslims can have the gut to condenm other pples's holy book inside their own sacred book without a second tot, i tink this movie is only one of the reactions to their provocation.

The muslims have a lot of work to do to understand dat the the world is movin on and should drop all the mohammed\koranic teachings that encourages hate, destruction and blood-shed.

if any muslim deny the fact that islam encourages hate and destrruction i will giv him\her koranic injucntions dat encourages dat.

For peace to reign i think the boundary commission shold look into this matter cos some pple might be instigatin the kogi pple against the igbos. The whole world knws that orient petroleum is an igbo project and not a federal project, and all the while the igbos were toilin to make it work others ar busy doin somethin else. Now that the whole project has matured for fruition some wicked element try to come and reap where they never sow.

Orient petroleum is igbo version of nnpc, shell, chevron or mobil. All these multinational companies are directed by pple of other extraction and orient petroleum is the only way igbos can balance the equation a bit.
Pple of oda tribes should learn to use their brains vry well and stop actin as bed-bug and parasite to the igbos.

Can any tribe in Nigeria take the initiativ the igbos take here? The ansa is No. NNPC abuja should be enof for oda tribe to continue wit their draconian quota system and leave orient petroleum alone.

I doubt if it will be a wise decision for igbos to allow the kogites to be used by some evil elements to turn orient petroleum a federal project. That will be disastruos.

My advise here is dat if kogi state will not allow royalty for oil drilled from their marginal field, orient petroleum should abandon drillin any oil frm there to avoid any future complication. These pple have evil agenda but their plan wil fail cos you cant reap wher u dnt sow.

This incident is a learning point for whoever wants to learn frm the experince of life, especkally for our ladies who r bent on socialin wit whoever dey meet on 2go, facebook and oda social networkin site.

Our elders will say, 'na fly wey node hia word dey follow dead bodi enta grave'. A word is enof u d wise.

We hav to realiz that we r all human, and dat human tendency will always surface in evry area of human endeavour. If we want to criticise pple or structure it will all end in futility. Even the church in the 1st century hav its own problem, some say they r for paul, others say they r for Barnabas while some say they ar for Peter.

Comcerning some doctrinal issues there were variation, some preach against festivities, others see it a no issue. On the issue of circumcision, it is the same, and in this present dispensation it is still the same, variance in belief.

Of course any organization must hav a leadership structure in order to maintain law, order and discpilene and church is not an exception. Even in our homes some children call their father dad, others call daddy, popsy, papa etc its all the same. If a church calls their leader prophet, 'daddy', GO, PAPA, discreet and wise slave, it is not a crime, as long as the importance and essence of leadership is not eroded.

I think we need focus more on the impact the word of God is playin on pple's life dan talkin about frivolities.

frosbel: You do know that deeper life has included some of these falsehoods in their church , right ?

Frosbel im really shocked at ur personal attacks on deeper life church. I am an assemblies of God church member @ sabo yaba and i had opportunity to have some of dem as friend and school mates. You may not like dem but they r vry ok pple by all xtain standard. Ok i need u to recommend church for pple on dis forum. Tell me the church or organization pple shuld be attending with reasons.

ogoamaka99: @ Frosbel
Sorry, frosbel you are confused and you are writing to confuse others. What you are writing is an evidence that you are not a Christian as you have no relationship with the HOLY SPIRIT.. If not how can one who deny the HOLY SPIRIT claim to be a christian? Outside HOLY SPIRIT how can you know the BIBLE.
You may have been a christian but are now possessed with the spirit of error.So i advice you to go and read the following Scriptures- John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: [/b]but ye know him;[/b] for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you".
John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the[b] Spirit of truth,[/b] which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, [b]he will guide[/b] you into all truth: for he shall [/b]not speak of himself; but whatsoever [b]he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Acts 8:29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
Acts 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away [/b]Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
Acts 21:11 And when he was come unto us, he took Paul's girdle, and bound his own hands and feet, and said, [b][b]Thus saith the Holy Ghost, [/b]So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man that owneth this girdle, and shall deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.
Please answer me, can you use HE for someone that is not a person.?Can someone not a person give instruction? Can someone not a person say something? Please go and repent and stop deceiving people.

Frosbel pls can u assist in sheddin more light on Amaka's response, from your personal readin of the scriptures, without doin a copy and paste.

Tho' i initially hate this garri 'posting' yet i later have a re-think. A bit humour need to be added to the forum to make it more lively.

I dnt see it as an issue as long as a thread is not completely deriailed.

The southeastern part of Nigerian (both present geopolitical SE and SS) is richly blessed with both human and natural resources. This is a fact that the federal govt knows too well, even the whites know this. Its left for them to harness these potemtials for their good, the federal govt is always there to improvish the area in order to develop other parts of the country less endowed. May God help us

Maximus85: Satan is here on this thread to make the Jws here go against each other but it wont work. Truelight, you were the first poster to insult on this thread. At that point i doubt if you are a jw. And if you are, you should know better that no matter how angry they make us, we must remain respectful in our teachings/preaching.
I intentinaly left some issues unattended to because they'll only lead to more arguments. Lets not allow satan here. They know the truth but they dont want to accept it. The Bible said that in this situation, we should let them be and we should go in search for those that are ready to listen and accept the truth. Being a Jw is not easy but its a sacrifice we must make. Jesus gave his life, so why can't we endure the hatred and insults?

Maximus85 tankx for this. In as much as i dnt knw u but can see through ur heart. Opinion is bound to vary, even in the scince world there is no 100% agreement in theories postulated by two diffrent expert in any field. While there might minor diffrences in grey ares of our biblical interpretation, its necessary we understand dat dat bound to be. Dat does not make one better dan the oda. I think religion is about individual commitment to his spirituality, beyond this earthly realm i dnt think there is any organized religios setting. I stand to be correted. We can only be remeberd, after our earthly sourjourn, on the impact we make on pple's life (in a positiv way) and not on our religios affiliation. From time immemorial man had been disputing and arguing the supremacy of his God or religion over anoda without a winner or a loser but time were only wasted on it. I think we need to act more rationally. Im guilty of this as well and i think we need to make a u-turn and post more reasonably. Cheers!

MyJoe: You finally managed a couple of lines without lieing against me.

But your attempts at wittiness are as ghastly as your idiotic posts all over NL, all irrational and coarse.

And I notice you took your time to think - even read my old posts - before responding. It may be that you are starting to learn the matter of thinking.

**Edited**

Myjoe im surprised that u r still takin time exchanging post with someone that can never learn nor be corrected. The more u keep exchangin post with truthislight the more u become irritated. After couple of exchange i expected u to have knwn his level of rationality and simply quit this cat and mouse game, he enjoyed it a lot. There is no longer spirituality and morallity on the thread, so its better u use ur quality time on something or someone else.

BARRISTERS: @true2God




sorry-boy telling you to go back to school is not an insult! you cant comprehend matters well its showing everywhere over you!!! if you are told one is not helping you,

Im dying here with laughter when you mention agbero! the complete yoruba word is Agbero-omo-ita!!! you know that most jws do pamper you with sincerity you people dont deserve,but you turn it to their being stupid, and im very happy that you are angry now, no apology pls, i gave you a matured analysis up there,only for you to start proving smart calling the jws GB names, who gave you the autorithy to be saying what you dont know, that having more hours preaching,the jws cant feed their family? is it encouraging? or do you respect the dignity of others by saying that? is it not? what does it take you to comport yourself ask question respectfully and get a respect back in return.

I choose not to respond again since u need professional consellin on hw to relate well among public audience. Argument, disagreement, and variance in opinion are part of human social trait but when the limit of tolerance is stretched, its better silence is maintained.

I dnt knw u and u dnt knw me as well, this an anonymous forum, i think for our best interest, we shelve the discussion (bw us for now) and hope u see anoda time a more friendly atmosphere.

Gd nite.

BARRISTERS: @true2God



1914 stands no doubt about that,jws did not claim that there would be end in 1914, jws did not change on that,no apologies,it marks the last days!!! but the issue is that you said that the calculation is wrong! then give us the right calculation.

you dont have any? and you dont have proof on the day and hour?

i wonder how your illiteracy will help you to translate this one now!

I initially assumed that u were learned but i was completely wrong. Just exposin ur leve of stupidity to the whole wide world over the internet. I gav u a hint of wat an average Jw knows as a guide and u ended up writin garbage without any sense of decency.
An adult is meant to be analytical in reasonin but u r not. Anyway i belive u r just tryin to save face owing ignorance in spiritual matters. If u r a serios person u could hav wisely responded to my last post and act like a responsible person and not like an agbero.

So this is the sort of study u r undergoing. What a shame! I tot u r an 'intelligence officer' but a crook. Well may God have mercy on ur soul.

truthislight: meet JW that are busy teaching people the bible free of charg all over the world they will teach you.

Is your bible study schedule on the internet forum?

I dnt think u a familiar with e-learning otherwise u would have known that the world hav moved beyond classroom studies. My simple request remains that u shuld xplain to the whole world, via this medium, hw Jw arrived at 1914, or r u not sure of wat u r sayin, or not competent enof to handle this type of question. If u r sure of wat u r saying i ask again: expplain, in ur own term, hw Jw arrived at 1914, dats all.

Let me giv u an hint if u dnt knw hw to start.
1. Go through the book of daniel on the 'seventieth week' of the gentiles. Find out the through year, via secular history like encyclopedia brittanica, the actual year the babylonians invaded jerusalem.
2. Study the book of matthew on christ prediction of the destruction of the jewish holiest of holies by the roman empire.
3. And study medevial history on the conquest of Jerusalem on AD 72.
Use this hints, and do ur mathematics again, on which u rely on to arrive at years, on issue that are purely spiritual matters.

Since u guys try to use human wisdom to determine the years God have purpose in his infinite wisdom to determine the course of human history, do the calculation and research for ursef and arrive at 1914.

And u if cant do personal research to arrive at ur official 1914 stp goin frm house to house teachin pple wat u dnt knw and cant convincingly defend. That amount to lie and deceit. Ok?

BARRISTERS: @true2God



the question here is ''supply your evidence that jws fix a date'' against jesus forbidden 'nobody knows the day and hour, 1914 is 'a year' your claim that jws fix a date, must be proved, so are you afraid? or your friends are not responding as usual? maybe you have swallowed more than you can chew oga, supply us the fixed date, se-o-ti-gbo! meaning, you do hear?

Maybe u dnt understand my question here, lemme repeat it to u again: 'frm ur independent point of view, and not wat watchtower told u, wats the biblical proove of 1914 as the year of ur 'christ presence'. Pls dnt dabble into ur characristic 'olodo' abuse and simply xpalin thing to me.

BARRISTERS: @true2God



the question here is ''supply your evidence that jws fix a date'' against jesus forbidden 'nobody knows the day and hour, 1914 is 'a year' your claim that jws fix a date, must be proved, so are you afraid? or your friends are not responding as usual? maybe you have swallowed more than you can chew oga, supply us the fixed date, se-o-ti-gbo! meaning, you do hear?

Maybe u dnt understand my question here, lemme repeat it to u again: 'frm ur independent point of view, and not wat watchtower told u, wats the biblical proove of 1914 as the year of ur 'christ presence'

truthislight: disgusting liars.

Proove me wrong or test me.

truthislight: what is this?

Is this all you came online to post?

However,

police are not part of the military even though they are some times militarise like the mobile police, in some countries.

My issue was that JW dont kill one another in the war of the nations.

Eg

as in Nigeria fighting a war with say cameroon

you will not have JW in Nigeria fighting there fellow JW in cameroon or any other human for that matter, by being part of the armed forces. (love of neighbour and their self)

JW dont support wars and they dont get INVOLVED in wars of the nations.

You can meet them to show you there bible base reason for being such christians and In this fashion.
in the instance you dont know meet them they will show you from the bible.

So, you cant get JW in nigerian killing JW in another country.

I dont know what you have with police.

Damed! You are so desperate.

ok tell me if Jw carry any international passport or Id in time of conflict that reads: I AM A JW

BARRISTERS: @true2God



where did i say that jws fix date,quote that place inside my comment,and not your porous understanding, olodo-like-you, just go back to school, your understanding of english is poor.

I am not a Barrister so u might be far better than me in the use of English. But that doesnt stop me frm conveyin my thought as understandable as possible. For ur information i study Mathematics and Statistics and not English, so dnt mind my poor use of English language.

I would have expected u to respond to my last post, very constructively, instead of resortin to insults. Thats not a mark of civility at all.

Back to my question, is there any biblical basis for 1914, not what watchtower told u (frm ur indepednet point of view) ? Pls tell me so that we go back and dig into medieval history to see who is lyin to who. Gd nite.

free123: Barrister the way u rain insults on someone is not Christlike. and i wonder what u learn from JW u support

My broda by their fruit we shall knw dem. Running frm substance and shading shadows. He is truly a 'Proposed or remedial Jw' so im not surprised. I hav seen pple more insultive dan him so its not new to me.

BARRISTERS: @true2God


can you prove that? because you are guity of what you are accusing people of here, see that below;


this is not a tread for this discussion,there is a rule guiding the religion forum to always keep to topic, but briefly
lets see what truthslight said below;



compare to yours;


simple english language understanding is what you lack here! truthslight; ''there are no JW in the police''? many who are policemen/women before JW preached to them,such and individual accepts invitations to be attending their meeting regularly, and continue to grow, but such person will be told that he is not a jw until he change his job (1) finish the internal study(2) and trully manifest that he/she has changed (4) baptism, firearms and others are not allowed. but merely associating with jws if people ask, is this policeman a jw? it is proper to say that such one are 'proposed-JW' like myself, im still not allowed to be a witness, and i understand jws stand, but people think im one because they say that i surport them,while i have not gone through (1-4) processes above.
so the answer to your question, there are 'proposed jw' in the police,yes, but a ''full-baptised-jw'' (that have already gone through (1-4) processes above.) can not join the police. ok?

so if you like confuse 'proposed jw' to meam a half jw the way you have stated childishly before, na you sabi!.

again, on the issue of providing evidence of the alledged prediction, you seem to be mixing things up here, get me right pls;

you accused jws of 'fixing a date' of endtime!

definations of what constitutes 'a date' here, must be a particular day, in a particular month, but you did not answer that?

you definately fail to even know the date but still looking for someone to whisper it to you, what that means was that you have accused someone already only to realised that you dont have a proof.

if you dont know, 1918 is not a date! its a year,its not a month but a year, must one be spoonfeeding you as a nursery pupil here?

give me your evidence like this; that JWS said on so-so day/of-so-so-month/and so-so-year. i.e 26th of Aug.2012, is a date sir, but, you cant say 1918 is a date.can you?

jesus says no one knows 'the day and time' im not even saying that you provide time here, but a day that can be confirmed on the jws magazine. then i can work with that, instead of doing your homework well, you started sounding lazy, that i have admitted for jws, im i a jw in the first place?

provide your scanned evidence that includes the day of a month of a particular year that was predicted, so you can leave out 'time'. ok?








i gave

you accused jws of 'fixing a date' but come out with 'a particular year' as an evidence?

If i can get u right there are two types of Jw, proposed Jw and confirmed Jw. If i may ask u, is dis biblical or just ur way of expressin ur present spiritual relationship with God? My broda u cant sit on a fence, u r either inside or outside in spiritual matters. This is not a school where u spend four years as an undergraduate and awarded certificate after completion of courses.

If i can get u right a police man studyin with Jw cant be a full witmess until he drop the job, ok? But if a Jw have civil matters to settle he can run to the police or job he detaste for help. Thats pure hypocrisy. They should have gone to the kingdom hall to make complaints.

Is there any verse in the Bible that supports ur claim that a xtain cannot serve in the police or the armed forces. Is cornelius in the Bible a soldiers or a civillian? Isnt he a xtain? After conversion was he asked to drop his job and be carrin bags frm house to house? Thats ridiculous to say the least.

Thats y many homes are havin problems cos of the misintepretation of the bible. A man left a high paying job that he uses in supportin his family on the advise of an elder so that he can make more hrs on the field as a publisher only to discover that he can longer provide for his family and ended up takin up a security job wen things hav already gone bad.

I think we need to use wisdom and not bein foolish.

On the issue of fixin date u say i shuld do a scan copy and of the materials for u to believe and my response is for u to giv me time go get those materials u need. I dnt print the magazines in my house neither do i keep archive of those publications. But if u can go thru the first page of this thread all the reference are there for u to see.

U said Jw didnt fix 'date' but they fix year (1914), well said by u. Let me use ur Jw calculated chronology to quote ur Jw Jesus or Angel Michael, whichever one u choose (the Jesus i knw didnt say so) sayin, and let us hear hw it sounds to ur hearing: 'the time and hour of my comin no man knows, but it will be in 1914, but the particular time and hour in that year no man knws'.

Guy until u get a biblical proove of ur bogus 1914 handed down to u frm Brookly NY i wont take u serios.

BARRISTERS: @true2God,

just because i said that i work in the 'force intelligence' shows that im a jws? did i mention police? olodo-rabata-oju-eja-lomooje,tell someone to translate that, after i have just kindly explained things in simplicity here, you believed that merely surporting the jws automatically makes one a member?, you must be an illiterate,oloun-gbo!, sorry for that, jws have processes that makes you a member,if you dont know, you need to study,declare interest,assesed,and passed before baptism,and that makes you a member, i have not gone through those process,baba-olodo.

for your information, im not a jehovah's witnesses,but i surport them and love them,is it a crime?or does it stop you from bringing your evidence? from my reseach i can defend them, what do you know about force inteligence, who told you that its a police job? i work with a private international security with our base in the U.S, here in an oil company in nigeria.

Is it a crime to be simple, and down to earth?, why are average Nigerian arrogant with nothing on their head?.

give me the date and hour that you claimed that jws prophesied you are beating about the bush olodo!!!

U guys seems to derail the thread anytime a questins is being possed to u. I might get ur full profession wrong by assumin u might be a police officer but that does not in anyway belittle the substance of our discussion. This is an anymous forum so even if u call ursef a pilot, an Engineer, or anytin nobody cares. Maybe the question is not for u since u WORK in 'force intelligence' and not a 'policeman' nor a jw.

Maybe u dnt read between the lines, my question is this, as a 'force intelligence officer', whats the difference between the police and the armed forces? I asked u to assist here so u dnt need to rain insult pls. U hav been civil all this while and i respect u for dat. If u dnt knw the straight ansa u might choose to ignore, no insult.

Truthislight said police are peacemaker, so Jw can be police officers and by implication Navy, airfforce, soldiers, are troublemakers and so Jw cant join. With u as a 'force intelligence officer' or wise person, i need ur humble advise here, can police carry fire arms, just like the armed forces listed here?

truthislight: can you explain how what you have just pened down translate to JW killing JW in wars of the nations?

when u say Jw killing jw, is it the same thing like sayin Nigerians killing Nigerians? Do Jw carry anoda passport, another national Id or wat? R u not a human being irrespectiv of ur religios affiliation? I really dnt understand the basis for ur question. In time of war all pple are victim, men, women and children. Nobody pray for war.

I knw u r vry familiar with watchtower gospel propaganda of being the only pple that were persecuted by the Nazi during WW II because the Nazi lost the war, but failed to xplain there xperince on the allied forces sector. Dats y u see in many watchtower publication its always 'testimony' against the nazi but failed to tell their 'testimony' againt the allied forces. Thats double standard. But the whole world knew only the jewish holocaust and a single race that suffered so much, and not the jw.

So dnt bring up the few neutral jw in time of war as a mark of righteous. Many non jw didnt serve in the war yet no propaganda as we hav in a evry publication of watchtower. Mohammed Ali did not serve in vietnam war and that did not make him more or less human.

truthislight: @tru2god

are the police not called peace makers?

So, why is it when there is a mention of armed forces you are insinuating that there are no JW in the police?

Ur last question is misleading. Are there police pple who are Jw or not?

truthislight: @tru2god

are the police not called peace makers?

So, why is it when there is a mention of armed forces you are insinuating that there are no JW in the police?

Are the Police now part of the armed forces?
Army, Navy, air force, is the police one of these?

Deceit!

If a Jw join police today and they give him a riffle wont he take it? Wat is the use of riffle? To play golf or to kill?

Maybe Jw memebers has special police dept created where arm is outlawed and its their exclusive unit.

So wats the difference between an armed military personel and an armed policeman? Maybe their uniform is confussin u for their roles in national security.

truthislight ask the followin questions: 'So, why is it when there is a mention of armed forces you are insinuating that there are no JW in the police?

Are the Police now part of the armed forces?
Army, Navy, air force, is the police one of these?'


Gd morning Barrister, as a security intelligence personnel ur experince\advise is needed here. I tot the police force are armed personnel (use gun, tear gas, these are lethal material and are use daily). Maybe because they dnt use bomb, thats wat make the diference. I hav a Jw friend who told me they r not allowed to serve in the police force. Maybe the person that told me is misinformed.

So back to the topic, u made reference to Jonah's declaration\prophecy against the pple of Nineveh as a example that a prophecy dnt always come to pass. Does the warning\prophcy to the pple of Nineveh correlate with the prediction\prophecy of the second comin of christ in anyway? No! Is the situation\destruction of Nineveh avertable? Yes. Is the second coming or christ avertable\postpostnable? No. Maybe watchtower magazine used Nineveh as a referece for their failed prediction and u r typically usin it as a basis for argument. I wil rather let the spirit of God lead me, together with the bible, than watchtower magazines, in spiritual matters.

I like ur strong argument and conviction hence u want me to do a scan copies of all failed Jw prediction for u to beleive. U dnt need the date, the title, of the published articles but the physical material itself. Well for ur sake i will do dat. Just giv me time cos i will cconsult my Jw friends on dis, since u dnt want to do it as a Jw. Maybe u dnt want the elders to be suspicios, i will help u out here.

BARRISTERS: @true2God



Oh, you want to know, i have allowed my wife and children to join, but my job is the issue here, i knew that if i have to fully join and be able to participate, i need to change my job, i work in the force intelligence, and i have my company now, so that i can serve my God with the best group here the jehovahs witnesses,they are practically good,and when i see allegation against them,i investigate,and realised that apart from being sentimental,these people are still on track.and thats my opinion anyway, and you dont need to agree with that, but i want my decision to be respected.

for example, i gave definations of what constitutes 'a date' here,which must be a particular day, in a particular month, but you did not answer that?

you accused jws of 'fixing a date' but come out with 'a particular year' as an evidence? does that tally? on technical grounds, your case is knocked off!!!

your allegation is based on the fact that jesus said, nobody knows the 'day and hour', there was no mention of 'year' by jesus, at least there was a nissan callendar then of which jesus was aware about,and that he could also have included 'the year'.

and on the issue that can a fixed period of a prophecy change? yes is the answer, i quoted jonah chapt.3 and 4. expecially when jonah had already shouted throughout Ninneveh that ''just 40 days''
the city 'will be' destroyed, he gave no condition why the plan had to change, but the ninnevites on their own did what touch God,and God himself have to postpone that destruction.

You can see why jonah said in chapter 4:1-4 that he prefer to die rather than prophesied ind it did not come to pass,but that destruction never took place in jonahs lifetime.Now nobody knew how jonah was ridiculed by theologians then who must have being envying him! but that alone does not stop him,but he knows that God has the exclusive power to decide on matters.
Another prophet Nahum was called to prophecy destruction again when The same ninevites returned to their evil practice again.now one would ask that why will God pronounce another destruction on the same city that never happen in the first prophecy by jonah,and to them jonahs prophecy did not pass of failed, but then not even in Nahums lifetime was nineveh destroyed, but later when God feel that there are no good people there, it was destroyed tottally by the babylon.

So, the issue of endtime was blown out of proportion, when your see the claims people posted expecially t-med, was an amalgamation of sentences (join-join) 'in quote' as you can see all assertions there are in 'quotes' and was removed from a body of paragraphs,and you will agree with me that before you can understand a particular notion, it has to be understood first 'in its original context' before relating it to a secondary context.so, i cant work with join-join or coat of many feathers assertions.

and moreover, the emphasis for worshipping God is by doing Gods will or organisation that 'truly uphold values' and can control vices to a considerable way, i think the jws are trying in this.

I was first touched to be a jw in 1999, the day a dean of a faculty then in university of ibadan Proffessor ikpi, knocked on our gate at Adegbola ibadan, he was preaching from house to house, this is a man that ordinarily, you will need to pass through several protocols to see him in his office, after his brief witnessing on that day, i ask him why he is a jw?he said that he joined at age 41,and that i need to do my own study and make independent researches on my own, but we did not talk about it again we all moved on, and since then im taking my time to my research.and convinced to join after my company attain some stability, so talking of confusion here does not set in at all!!!.









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Thank u for ur xplanation. If i can get u right Jesus said the time and hour of his comin no man will knw (not even the angel will), but Jw unravelled that particular year, 1914. But within 1914, we hav some months, it was among the months he was enthroned as king in heaven, in a particular week in that month at a particular day in that week and at a particular hour which no man knws (dats new gospel accordin to jw or new light). U r sayin Jesus said time and hr no man knws, dat he did not say year but time and hour. So the year Jesus came\enthroned, accordin to Jw, is 1914, only dat u dnt knw the month, the week, the day or the hour it fell into. Even children at the kindergatten will disagree with this.

U r a force man, if im right, hece u r a part-time JW since ur religion do not allow u to do national duty or take community responsibilty, e.g vigilante. That ok by u as long as others are ready to do it for ur defense. U dnt like 'police-work' but if u hav issue with anybody u run to the police station to enter complaints. Thats ok.

On the issue of prophet jonah, Nahum and the pple of Nineveh u r gradually admmittin that Jw had made false prophecies before, usin prophets Jonah and Nahum as a legitimate excuse for ur failed predictions. But one thin u didnt realize is that there are varios callings in prophethood. Some prophets are meant be warning prophets (Jonah, Nahum, hezekiah etc), some are prediction prophets (daniel, isiah, Jeremiah etc), some are judgemental prophets (samuel, elijah etc). All these men are prophets but of different callings. So wat category do Jw belong to that sanctions failed prediction. Ok u use Prophet Jonah as an excuse for Jw failed predictions right? Warnin prophecy on impendin danger or destruction is an avertable situation if the person or pple invloved take the necesary spiritual measure. E.g if mr A sees mr B in a dream where mr B is in a coffin, mr A can share the dream with B so dat the spirit of death hoverin over mr B can be averted throgh prayer. That does not make Mr A a false prophet if he has the callin. I knw u r not meant to belive dis. Dis is where the picture of jonah come to bear.
Unlike daniel or isiah, the predictions of jw are all false. If u like u can ask for xhibit dats only the tactics of a deceptiv body. Enough resourcesful information had been shared earlier on this thread .

BARRISTERS: @t-med

i said that im not a jehovahs witnesses yet,

Hi my broda, so when when are u planning to become a Jw? R u still thinkin about it or somehw confused?

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