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truthislight: thisare your own opinion and you have your freedom of speech so use it, its your own opinion.

Can anybody control your speech for you? No.

So why should your own freedom become a compulsion for others?

However, the scriptural evidence are there though your opinion will not let you to see it.

How will you even be able to see it if you dont "accept" the truth that Jesus preexisted?

Its your life, live it as you please.

Peace.

My guy you are not presentin your opinion but wat JW made u to believe and accept as bible 'truth'. This same believe was not held by earlier JW members of Rutherford or Russel's era,

this same teaching by Jw can still change tomoorow on the person of Jesus. Do u knw dat JW once called Jesus the great appolyon? Ask your elders if this teachin was held before or not.

Is arch angel michael not an angel again? Or is he a special angel differnet from others? Yes he is still an angel. God said: 'let all the angels worship the son' (includin angel Michael), 'he is made better than the angels (includin arch angel michael)

At times i wonder if Hebrews chapters 1 is omited from NWT. Na waoooo!

Ubenedictus: so y does d bible say "to which of d angels"?

Nice and simple question.

Or maybe angel Michael was not among 'to which of the angels' being spoken of here. But thank God for the book of Hebrews dat removes any form of ambiguity here.

[quote author=But_one_day]Good news, thank God say no be yoruba or Ibo man dis one na hausa guy. Let dem carry on. (Mohammed Ahmed Ibrahim?)[/quote]Hw can a normal igbo man go to saudi for pilgrimage, unless na fake igbo.

An igbo man will rather invest the money into his bizness dan waste it with yeye and risky travel.

truthislight: who is doing the twisting hear?

Can you show from the bible were arrangel michael worship Jesus?

You misunderstand Jude completely and the message of respect and not to speak abusively of authority.

We should quote the bible for our stand.

My point is that archangel is a title for the leader of the angel and the leader of the angel is an only beggoten son of yahweh.

All amgels are also sons of yahweh = job 38:7

but Jesus is unique being the the "only" entity that yahweh personall created by himself while Jesus did the creation of all other things including the angels = col. 1:16,17

From ur post God created only arch angel Michael, then angel Michael created angel Gabriel and other angels. Angel Michael now created evry other things.

From your 'reasoning of the scriptures' God did not create anything but only angel Michael. Then angel Michael created the heaven and the earth, angel Michael created the other angels, created animals, created human beings. Just tell me if im makin sense here or not because within u, u should knw that the elders that made this 'research' are pure liars and u dare not question dem or else u wil be disfellowship. Just accept evrythin hook, line and sinker. It doesnt matter if they change the doctrine tomorrow and say Jesus is no more angel Michael. The light just got brighter.

Look my dear read the first chapter of hebrews and dat should be clear enough and stop being incessantly confused. Is the angel mchael in the book of daniel differnt frm the one in Jude. Even arcg angel Michael was among the angels dat worship the son. Read hebrew again my guy and stop depending on some lies from watchtower magazines.

chief batiatus: Democracy is too advanced for a society full of illiterates and savages like our's. The only problem with the military is that they might also get corrupted after getting there. I think the situation is just hopeless. The only way out is if all of us will agree and begin to call corrupt people thieves in the public, in the church, at mosque, at the market, on television and everywhere. That's the only way

Even churches nowadays are not helpin matters cos many 'MOG' are whining and dining with this thieves. Thays y its almost impossible for the pastors to criticize dem cos their share of the loot will be denied dem.

The solution still lies on the military who will wipe out all this day-light criminals at the NASS. The cost of maintaing dis pple is too high and really eating up the economy and our common wealth.

U can imagine the cost of maintaing the presidency and his ministers, special advisers, the senators and their countless body guards and tout, the rep members and their touts, the governors and their special advisers. Thats y all our money go on running cost wen there are so many pple on the corridor of power strugging to loot as much as possible.

Na only God go help us.

Martian: Brothers and Sisters repent before you have to meet this guy, THE GATE KEEPER who confirms your name in the Book of Death. Jebus loves you.

This picx might look fictitious to many but i hav once seen somethin like dis in my dream, looks scary but real.

So many things r happening/goin-on dat r quiet beyond human comprehension/imagination. Wat we experince here in the physical is just a miuute compared to activities goin on in the spirit realm.

All wat we need is to move closer to our creator, the days are really evil.

chukwudi44: Hebrews 1:4-8

New International Version (NIV)

4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.

The Son Superior to Angels

5 For to which of the angels did God ever say,

“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father”[a]?

Or again,

“I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son”[b]?

6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,

“Let all God’s angels worship him.”[c]

7 In speaking of the angels he says,

“He makes his angels spirits,
and his servants flames of fire.”[d]

8 But about the Son he says,

“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.

The above verses makes it explicitly clear Jesus is superior to angels.Heretics please repent before it is too late

The bible made it clear, Jesus christ is NOT angel Michael. Its unfortunate that some pple are comin up erroneous and unbiblical research like dis.

Let take two scenerios from the scriptures. First is the event that was recorded in Daniel 10:13. An angel was bringin an answer to a prayer but was delayed for 21days by 'the prince of persia' before angel michael came to the rescue.

The second scenario was recoreded in Jude verse 9 whereby the arch-angel michael was disputing/struglin with the devil for the body of moses. And finally the arch-angel michael told the devil, 'the lord rebuke u' b4 he was able to go with the body of moses.

The two analysis stated above highlited 5 things:
1) that angel michael was stronger than the 'prince of persia'
2) that angel michael struggles/disputed with the devil and had to invite the presence of the lord to have his way
3) that the prince of persia is different from the devil himself but both are evil spiritual forces workin against the work and pple of God.
4) that angel Michael cant be Jesus christ cos he cant be strong with 'the prince of persia' and disputed/struggled with the devil
5) that angel michael had to invite the presence of the lord (by sayin the lord rebuke u) before he could hav his way against the devil.

The book of Hebrews 1:6 said: let all the angels of God (arch-michael inclusive) worship him. The bible is clear on dis matter, even arch-angel michael worshopped him(Jesus, the son).

I think this is clear enof for any1 who is not ready to twist the scriptures in order to make a point.

[quote author=Sheriff©]Lol...Pathetic! Kindly read your post again dude. Or do I point out your errors for you? Okay let me help you. Pick from this statement: I wonder how HARD ( Yours-HAD) you manage to make your SSCE AT (Yours-IN) a sitting; evidently you sat for it more than two times. Be respectful to people both in conduct and conversation even if they're strangers because respect begets respect. Greenness dey worry you![/quote]I can c u r actually typing carefully to avoid makin gramatical or tense errors in order 2 prove a point. I tot u hav mastered some writing skills while sendin txt messages or postin in an informal public forum.

Anyway acept my apology n always learn wen from oda pple's contribuution. Its gud to argue but be always contructiv in it.

Hope u dey go church today sha.

Muslim boko haram has just attacked a church in kaduna. Killing many worshppers.

I believe our muslim nairaland friends will also condemn dis barbaric suicide bombin before criticin isreali actions. Anyway to dem killin xtains is a service to allah.
'allahuu akuba, the infidels have been kiiled again', i can hear some religios bigots shout.

davidylan: Over 37000 killed in Syria so far, over 15000 killed in Libya... yet my moooslim hoodlums are more worried about the 40 dead in Gaza? allah hu archedbar.

Dave long time. Tot u hav retired frm nairaland. Good to see u r back.

eggheaders: Mr davidlan thank you and the moderator for banning me.and hidding the post where I used fact and figures to disprove your lie.isreal get $3 billion dollar a year direct military assistance while Egypt get $1.6 billion for maintaining the treaty.

My broda this is the best deal any country can get, $1.6 billion per annum not to fight an American ally? Mehn thats good deal in all ramification and some pple come here sayin the US doesnt want peace in the middle east.

Na waooo!

eggheaders: self destruction to Germany how?? the biggest economy in Europe even Americans are jealous.while americans will forever be Zionist ass licker,is to cause discord in the middle east.and secondly the control of Jewish Americans on corporations and politics in the usa.but Obama and sarkosy now knows better.their sorry mitt nitwit Romney lost like a big fool.netayahu wan cry,when him hear say Obama win.

Do u understand history @ all or just pretendin ignorance.

anyway from your response above im sorry tryin to educate u for free but i wont. Google all information u need on the this issue and learn. And try be a better student pls.

[quote author=Sheriff©]This is so wordy but ever so SHALLOW... There is more to writing bro.[/quote]Dats y pple like u find it had to make ur SSCE in one sitting cos u guys no longer read. Tank God for NECO sha.

eggheaders: dumb dumber dumbest. sometimes how I wish hilter fulfils his heart desires. the guy saw what the world. is now knowing and seeing about the Jews.

I hope u knw the consequence of Hitler's failed ambition and the self destruct he brought upon himself and Germany as a whole. i dont tink u will like to follow dat foot step cos the Germans had already learnt their lesson.

Hav u ever wondered y the Americans make it a state policy never to tow the German line when handlin the Jewish question. Pls go back to ur history text book.

violent: My emotions? I think it's your emotions at play here. I'm a Christian too! I don't believe it's right for Israel to carry out targeted strikes in Palestine. I don't believe it's morally right for Israel to hold on to the lands of the people of Palestine. They are humans too! Their entry ports have been blocked by Israel's military, their economy suffers, their people too... their sovereignty violated time and over again,....that itself is morally wrong!

No one in their sound minds should be cheering Israel simply because the other side of the party are arabs. They are humans! They share the same heartbeat with you and I. Israel has got American's military hardware at their disposal. All the people of Gaza have is a couple of rocket and launchers. They know Israel can beat them in any battle....but they simply fight anyway, for their lands, for their people and for their honor! That itself is a sign of courage, the fact that people cheer on the bully makes me think less of humanity than i have ever done!

No thankx for showin a hypocritic solidarity for ur arab friends. If u knw the history of the arabs maybe u might change ur opinion. If u knw the arabian expansion into sub-sahara africa maybe ur opinion might change. If u knw the migration of malian tuareg/fulani/sub arabian migration/expansion into west african countries maybe ur opinion might change. If u knw hw wat the arabs are presently doin to the blacks in sudan maybe ur opinion will change. I hav countless reasons to say u r wrong wit ur post above.

Lets come to the local scene, go and read the history of the Nigeria/Biafran war and the pple pilottin the Nigeria fighters jets/russian MIG, they are all arabs, bombed and destoyed the entire Biafran territory.
The issue here is dat many of u r showin solidarity to the palestinains cos the israelis are protectin demselve by attackin dem with greater force. Thats ok and understandable cos we r all human and understand wat sufferin means in a situation like dis, but the arabs are no better just that they find demslves militarily at a disadvantaged point against the isrealis. An average arabian man is naturally heartless and wicked.

If the palestinian/arabs want peace they should stop firing rockets into israel. The iranians must not hav it as a state policy to wipe off israel from the face of the earth and should stop their cladestine uranuim enrichment for nuclear weapon development cos they will surely use it against israel, which is wat israel is seriosly afraid of cos an average arab is not afraid of mutual destruction.

ifeness: Firstly you think i am a muslim,you got that wrong! I am not that stupid to be involved in any blood sucking religion.

The so called jews are not the real jews anyway,so please go ge ur self a chilled beer

My guy dats ur opinion. Anyway i dey watch arsenal with ma small stout.

But u no ansa ma kwuesion. Anyhw enjoi yaself.

Amalaaba: Let me also add that the Israeli Election is coming in January, 2013 and note that with the way the terrorist Natanyawu behaved during the American Election and the weakness of his coalition, he was on his way to loosing the election, so with the way they invaded Gaza in 2009, this is an opportunity to gather support and rally his people behind him.

Anyway, if Israelis want peace they should allow the Palestinians have their independence. We need peace in the world!

Charity begins at home. Let the Nigerian govt give the Biafrans/igbos their independent first, that is on a local level den u can discus international affairs.

ifeness: Isreal have no right to occupy that land in the first place. Hey would get wiped out if they keep going this way.bloody racist bastaards!

Tell me who own Mecca and mediina. Ur answer will be the saudi arabians (arabs).

But if i ask you who owns Jerusalem u will go and check world map first and den ask ur imam or whoever before giving me a response.

Tell me who owns Jerussalem, tel aviv and the rest. The arab or the jews?

violent: Palestine have been humiliated for long. Their lands taken away from them, their people locked up in Israel prisons, economic life shutdown by the Gaza blockade....all these have gone on far too long whilst Israelis claim to be the victim and people of Palestine terrorists. This is a badge of shame for humanity.


I think many people here chanting support for Israel's aggression on the Palestine people ought to cower their heads in shame. Meet three year old Ranan Arafat: In the first picture on the left, she's a pretty little girl with green eyes, a green halter-neck top and green ribbons in her hair. After the Israeli bomb, she's a charred and shrunken figure. Her mouth is open. A medic lifts – for just a moment – her blue hospital shroud.

If your support for Israel is due to your religious beliefs, and the picture below is the sort that you will endorse for Israel because of your religious beliefs, then i would never want to be a part of that religion or serve the same God as you!

https://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdi332Y1Fv1qfkrx4o1_500.jpg

In every Arab country where the people rise up to demand their rights, they demand action on Palestinian rights as well. Tunis has just announced that its foreign minister is heading for Gaza. In Jordan today, hundreds of thousands were on the streets and, as well as demanding the fall of their own regime, they're also calling for justice for Palestine. Protesters are out in Libya. In Egypt, people are heading for Rafah.

Ur emotion wont change the fact that all man hav the right to exist and the arabs has no monopoly of violence. Wu told u dat the rocket they are firing into israel are not hittin innocent civilians. They should simply stop firing the rockets and the israelis wil stop using force on dem.
i just pray our northern brodas will not go on rampage by killin southerners as a show of solidarity to the palestinian pple.

SmoothLIFE: Ghanaian RULE is the only hope for Blacks!! Only Ghanaian RULE can SAVE West Africa!

If u dnt hav any contribution to make pls keep quiet. This topic seems beyond ur ability to make a sensible contribtion, pls sit down and read while others contribute. Enjoy ur weekend.

abbeycial: abeg tell dem,ol dis chicks who open dier shops for joysticks biz after which dey start searching for mr right who wld wait till wedding night b4 action nd wld obliviously pay outrageous pride price for ravaged utu. Pardon ma english,d mata dey pain ne.

Guy u r on point. Na God go help we guys for dis mata.

Eze Promoe: [size=32pt]Can a woman do this for her husband when he gets broke?[/size]

Do u want to go broke? I knw u wont like dat. So dnt pray to go broke so that u dnt see the true colour of women.

pro01: Who exactly does this power-drunk, delusional governor regard as "illegal immigrants"? Is he talking about Nigerian citizens or illegal aliens from other countries? If the latter is the case, is it the responsibility of the LASG to tackle illegal immigrants, or it is the responsibility of the Federal Government (through the Nigerian Immigration Service)?

On the other hand, if he regards bona-fide Nigerian citizens who have the constitutional RIGHT to live ANYWHERE within Nigeria as "illegal" residents of Lagos, then it is high time he is eliminated from the exalted office of governor - legally or illegally. He is clearly in dire need of psychiatric evaluation and treatment. It's an emergency! He gets more dangerous with each passing day he is allowed to occupy the position of governor.

God bless u. The guy needs someone to talk to him seriosly, that he is still human, he is not a spirit or demon.

[quote author=]Dont get me wrong, Kano is a great city, that's why it made the list but and it's diverse but you have to consider it's enormous population. It's diversity in %ages isn't comparable to Abuja Lagos and PH and it thus doesn't function on the same level as them
It's a regional melting pot, even the cultures you listed as being present have a culture almost identical to the native Hausa due to geography and religion and it's a culture that's not too friendly to enterprise and industriousness. The regional cities suffer from being too crippled by their tribe's nature. Onitcha is too igbo, Ibadan is too yoruba, Kano is too hausa and though their are advantages to each city, the disadvantages have nothing to combat them.

It seems that the things that make each tribe tick are in abundance in their regional cities but the regional cities are crippled by each tribes weakness as well, we need to mix to make things work because everyone strengths and weaknesses combine counter each other well but there's still some things that are fundamentally nigerian that would be best balanced out by an international mixture.


Of course these cities are helped by their various geographical locations to some extent but cities like Ibadan, Enugu and Kano hold no signficant geographic advantage over their neighbors other than being a melting pot. Ibadan and Onitsha suffer from to very different types of cultural problems that result in the same problem

the natives of Onitcha aren't the majority, most people are from elsewhere trying to do business and regard the place as a place to be used not cherished. They behave wrecklessly and the level of activity is so high that even responsible government (which anambra has historically lacked) has a hard time keeping track

Ibadan is very old and is almost 'too' cherished by it's natives. Every building is important to someone and the city has a hard time taking on a new face because it's too rooted in tradition. Too many businesses are traditional crafts as opposed to modern professions the jobless of Lagos eventually have to leave because it's a city of business not tradition, where as the jobless of ibadan are likely to be in their own village and just linger.


but Ibadan and yoruba land as a whole has the advantage that regionally yoruba can go anywhere and feel at home. unfortunately this means everyone just goes to Lagos if they can and activity is sapped out of surrounding cities. in the east your village is your nation everywhere else is foreign so it's harder for a 'regional melting pot' to arise. Everyone wants their village to be the regional power which is unrealistic[/quote]U r very ok.

Lovine: He should remove pastor W.F Kumuyi's name from that list!!! I have never met any pastor as upright as that man in Nigeria!!!

What about the doctrine of his church? Do you know that his clients (members are slaves? Don't do this and that, only church committee will choose wife or husband for you, etc. Kumuyi is a fake Pastor whether Jets or not, still the richest pastor

Sharaaaaaap, shataaaap, shuruuuuuup, before God go nack ur leg with spiritual kay-leg. If u dnt like his preachin why dnt u go to those 'men of God' that tickle ur ear with prosperity gospel. Recall this statement ASAP or ask the moderator to hide it frm public view before God giv u spiritual knock.

frosbel: I leave the Catholics to discuss their false teachings on the afterlife.

Mr Frosbel, no nobody cares y u left catholic church. Evry1 in a civilized world is protcted by UN chatter on freedom of association as far as it does not poss any security risk. Fyi i am not catholic and never will be.

As a vast and learned fellow, which i think you r, especially with issue dat has to do with xtainity, can u please take ur time to analyse the verses quoted by 'image123' with the aim of refuttin life after death. Not pickin up a single verse, especially in eclesiates (without readin thru the opinion of the writer) to nullified a simple bible truth.

Since we r all bible belivers, Xtains and followers of christ, wat is christ's view on the after-life? If Jesus is the connerstone of xtainity den his decision or dat of the apostles suffice in givin us ample idea of wat happens when we die.

I need ur own point of view pls and not a copy and paste response.

omosexy1: Farouk is not a senator - FYI

This does not alter the point the guy was making. U can correct him if he's wrong. I want to believe that u understand too well the point the guy was makin.

[quote author=frosbel][/quote]Evrybody is entitled to his opinion and belief system. That does not change anythin that had been eternally orderd to run a specific way.

I dnt tink i need to quote scriptures again cos there are so much references that attest to life after death, just dat u hav a programmed belief system that u tentativly hold unto. Thats ok.

Scripture apart, even our traditional african religion attest to life after death. Virtually all religions in world attest to dat. Tho' thats not the basis for validity.

But do me a favour: pick all the verses or reference quoted by 'image123' and refute all of dem, then i can take u serios. Once u can break down those references one by one and tell me ur personal understandin den i will be ok.

Redmosquito: Redmosquito: I am a Luth Student, I have seen uncountable cases of people who have fallen sick and at worse died because they used one agbo that could not be traced

I hav seen modern drugs kill as well. That is y there is prescription both for modern medicine and herbal.

The point is that u dnt abuse dem (drugs) and u keep it out of reach of children.

Above all its not ok to condemn our traditional medicine, its our culture and our heritage. Even the whites use herbs, some of dem dat go to india for treatment.

Redmosquito: Minion:Ur Painfulness! Is Agbo really that powerful?
Hades:Hmph! Something you cant trace?! Something without NAFDAC number?! I have even seen it in powdered form
Minion:Powdered form?!

Can u tell me wen NAFDAC was established and when our fore-fathers started using herbs?

If u dnt like agbo dnt use it, dnt bring NAFDAC into dis matter. Agbo is the natural remedy for diseases. God created agbo but man created NAFDAC to protect some conglomerate like smithkilme Beschamp, Glaxo, pfizer and other multinational pharmaceutical co.

The agbo my grand-mother has been using sine 1927 do not hav NAFDAC approval and she is hail and hearty dan most women in the city.

Agbo is the best remedy for any ailment if used as prescribed by the trado-medical doctors. It fits in with our (african) body system.

Image123: Found me some time at last! What can i say, it is a clearly difficult subject. Nonetheless, the OP has permitted me to share. Firstly, there is something called ETERNITY. Death is our thin line, our transit between time and eternity. Many men live in time, All men live in time. We are in time, counting centuries, decades, years, months, days, and even microseconds. Time is just a partition, a cloud, created in God's hand. Eternity surrounds time. It is before time and after time. God holds eternity, and lives in eternity. He is the Eternal God, that is why He is called the Beginning and the End. He has no beginning and has no end, and He has created us in that image. This is why it is important for every man to note where he would spend eternity. There is eternal life, and there is eternal damnation.
Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
i wish there was no eternal damnation. Well, i wish many things too. i wish nigeria was developed like america. And i wish my friend to be the president etc. If wishes were horses. Still the Word of God is Truth, and is Amen, and so shall it be. The Word of God teaches that there is eternity. Ther is a forever and ever, something everlasting, for EVERY man. Unfortunately, words alone cannot describe everything or aptly describe everything.

2Co 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
Many times, God uses pictures that we are familiar with to explain untold realities. So we should many times learn not to overdwell on the words or letter, but on the essence and the spirit of God's Word. Jesus perceived death in a different way to how we perceive it. He knows all things. He is an authority, knowing what happens in the after life. Jesus looked at death as SLEEP.
Joh 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
Joh 11:13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
Mat 9:24 He said unto them, Give place: for the maid is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn.
Mar 5:39 And when he was come in, he saith unto them, Why make ye this ado, and weep? the damsel is not dead, but sleepeth.
Luk 8:52 And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not; she is not dead, but sleepeth.

From the passages above, it is evident that Jesus had a different view to death than we have as humans. he saw death as a sleep phase. Some other scriptures also term death as sleep. Consider the below.
Act 13:36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:
1Co 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
Act 7:60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.
1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

These passages show us that when we die, we are actually sleeping. This is truth irrespective of our past experience and knowledge, for the Word of God is Truth. And i dare say, that if one can have a good and enjoyed sleep(night rest as we know it), or a bad and troubled sleep(night rest as we know it). On the same premise, all men may have a good sleep or a troubled sleep in the afterlife.

In the scriptures, right from the old testament, there was always the picture and the idea that there was a consciousness in the afterlife.
Gen 15:15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.
Here is God, telling Abraham, that when he died, He would go to his fathers. The expression is frequently used in the old testament. They had the idea of going to join some people when they died.

Gen 25:8 Then Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in a good old age, an old man, and full of years; and was gathered to his people.
It is either Abraham was gathered to his people, or he was not. God had told him that he would go, and chapter 25says he went when he died. this is the afterlife(or is it afterdeath). Similar expressions are severally used in the OT.

Gen 35:29 And Isaac gave up the ghost, and died, and was gathered unto his people, being old and full of days: and his sons Esau and Jacob buried him.

Gen 25:17 And these are the years of the life of Ishmael, a hundred and thirty and seven years: and he gave up the ghost and died; and was gathered unto his people.
Gen 49:33 And when Jacob had made an end of commanding his sons, he gathered up his feet into the bed, and yielded up the ghost, and was gathered unto his people.
Deu 32:50 And die in the mount whither thou goest up, and be gathered unto thy people; as Aaron thy brother died in mount Hor, and was gathered unto his people:
It is good that you move with the right people, because you will be gathered unto your people when you die. So folks, know your people, because you may have to spend the afterlife with them.
Gen 49:10 The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
Bible students know this passage to be referring to the Lord's Christ,and it is to him that the people will gather. When we die, that is, when believers die, they are gathered in Christ. Other scriptures also say this.
-1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
-1Co 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
-Phi 1:23 For I am in a strait between two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:
-2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

In the afterlife, something(s) definitely leaves the body, as seen in the last passage above "absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord". Some people argue that the body goes down to the grave and suffers corruption, therefore no feeling after death. But we have skipped the part that something(s) leaves the body in the afterlife. that thing(s) is what sleeps. In the afterlife, you either have a good sleep or a terrible sleep. Everybody sleeping will be awakened later on either for the first resurrection or for the white throne judgement.

Very insightful & well written. I cant agree anything more or less than this. Man is a spiritual being restricted by mortal body.

A friend of mine had tuberculosis some years back & was placed on drugs dat will last for some months. After fews weeks of using the drugs he started gettin better and later stopped takin the drugs without completing its usage over the prescribd months. His father dat had d died some yrs back appeared to him in a dream to warn him dat he will die if he stopped takin his drugs. My guy had to resumed with usin the drugs till he finally got fully better.

There are so much mystery in spiritual things, human logic can never comprehend it fully.

Ravenwolf: I am a bit of a Garri connoisseur, i grew up in Emene, a suburb of Enugu, we owned a farm and made most of our food including garri, although i do not intend to deflate the ego of all the Ijebu people here.... But the bitter truth is 'Ijebu garri is not an exclusive preserve of the Ijebu's' i remember those days whenever we made our garri, a large chunk of it would be marked out for eba and a smaller portion for snacking(as in soaking tinz after school) the one for eba after it has been ground into a fine paste at the mill would be taken to the press immediately and all the Juices taken out almost immediately by turning the steel press to the highest dial... After about twelve hours we would then go back to the mill and collect the caked bags of unfried garri, the hearth would then be superheated , and the cakes of garri sieved to remove particles and inedible cassava twigs, we would then fry the garri occasionally turning it, and adding some palm oil to it, which is what gives it its yellow lustre. Note that its the occasional stirring that allows it to lump, when the garri is dry you take it out of the frypot and air cool it before storing it in sacks.

Now for the Ijebu garri which we too out earlier, beginning at the mill, we let it rest on the ground for about two hours after it has been ground into a fine paste, this is to allow the juices penetrate the grains, thereafter its taken to the press where the pressure would be adjusted every two hours or so till the next day, this allows the garri paste to ferment... This is the most important thing for it gives the garri that wonderful tangy and bittersweet taste, and a certain milky taste.... How i love milk garri!!!! When frying it we adjust the heat very often for high heat would just spoil our efforts, we also stir like crazed people so the garri would be superfine.

I love those bygone days!!!!

This is pure garios scientololgy. Good analysis. It seems u did Gariumcology in school. What faculty r u?