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Babaheekmat:
This Rashduct4luv.. You have problem. Why this topic?

2nd thing, why must you listen to the idiot rants?

He's not a Muslim just like you are

And it's clear he's not ready to learn just like you.


See how the fool is using derogatory words on the prophet..



I have been telling you several times.. Copy and paste no good.. See where it led you..

Mumu boi

Are you embarrassed by the action of your prophet?

Rashduct4luv:
Firstly let us get the definition of the derogatory words you used:

Banditry is used to refer to acts of robbery and violence in areas where the rule of law has broken down.

Criminality is a behavior that is contrary to or forbidden by criminal law.

Summary
The settings was about 1400 years ago and for what Muhammad did to be classified as banditry or criminality then there should be a law that was breached. However the tribe of Qurayza were the one who breached the treaty and suffered the punishment of treason since they sided with those who invaded the Muslims at the battle of the trench.

The punishment for the breach of the treaty was not given by Muhammad.

Deuteronomy 20:12-14 New International Version (NIV)

12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies.

Firstly, in the norms of ancient tribal warfare, all able-bodied males were considered combatants. Fighting for one’s tribe was a collective duty for survival, and in ancient societies when life expectancy was not as high, the onset of puberty was often the mark that a young male was ready to be initiated into the tribe as a warrior (or for adulthood in general).

The Qurayza, a tribe who lived in Medina alongside the Muslims, had broken their treaty of non-hostility with the Muslims at the height of the Battle of the Trench, and intended to attack them from within, but before they could, the siege on Madina suddenly ended, leaving the Qurayza alone and caught red-handed. They quickly fortified themselves, and finally surrendered after a 25-day siege of their fort.

Those punished for treason were all who qualified as fighting men of the tribe, since they were the ones who would have taken part in the hostilities out of tribal obligation. Excluded were the pre-pubescent boys, and one elderly man (though he later chose punishment voluntarily).

Some of the Qurayza and their families had broken ranks with their tribe early on and left to seek protection from the Muslims, and they were granted it; others were afforded amnesty through the intercession of some Muslims, due to some good deed they had done in the past. The rest, even though those who now regretted and disagreed with the treason, chose to be judged with those guilty out of tribal loyalties.

The Mosaic Penalty is Pronounced After Arbitration

As for choosing the sentence, the Prophet (Allah’s peace and blessings be upon him) gave the Qurayza tribe the choice of whom from amongst the Muslims they desired to judge the punishment for their treason. They selected Sa’d ibn Mu’adh, the Ansari chief who was a former ally before Islam, but was now on his deathbed after being wounded during the Battle of the Trench, which the Qurayza helped provoke through their treason. [al-Salihi, Subul al-Huda wal-Rashad]

Sa’d swiftly pronounced that all fighters would be executed, and the women and children become captives. He claimed his decision was based on the Mosaic penalty for their crime; some say he was referring to the passages of Deuteronomy 20:12-14. As a hadith in Bukhari narrates, this was the second time the Qurayza intended hostilities towards their Muslim neighbors; after the first incident, they had been forgiven, while another affiliated tribe was expelled from Madina. The second violation, however, was an existential threat, as it was an act of treason in the thick of a siege by the Meccans.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/25203706?seq=1

https://islamqa.org/hanafi/seekersguidance-hanafi/31644

All these long epistle to justify a criminal and abnormal behaviiur from a supposedly perfect, greatest and the last prophet. There is abslutely no way you can justify the barbarity of mohammed against the people of khaibar; killing her entire family and fighting over the most beautiful daugher, safiyya. Dhiyya was not happy that mohammed was taking safiyya from him (a beautiful sex slave) but he was well compensated by the biggest mafia mohammed by getting 7 slaves (sunnah ibn majjah 2272). Mohammed even have to instruct his men to torture Khinana by placing a hot-iron on his chest for him to confess where he hid their (khinana's family) treasure. Read what Ibn Ishaq and al-tabari wrote below:

Kenana al-Rabi, who had the custody of the treasure of Banu Nadir, was brought to the apostle who asked him about it. He denied that he knew where it was. A Jew came (Tabari says "was brought", to the apostle and said that he had seen Kenana going round a certain ruin every morning early. When the apostle said to Kenana, "Do you know that if we find you have it I shall kill you?" He said "Yes". The apostle gave orders that the ruin was to be excavated and some of the treasure was found. When he asked him about the rest he refused to produce it, so the apostle gave orders to al-Zubayr Al-Awwam, "Torture him until you extract what he has." So he kindled a fire with flint and steel on his chest until he was nearly dead. Then the apostle delivered him to Muhammad b. Maslama and he struck off his head, in revenge for his brother Mahmud (sirah rasool Allah by ibn Ishaq)

The Prophet gave orders concerning Kenana to Zubayr, saying, ‘Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kenana’s chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kenana was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him. -- (Al-Tabari, Vol. 8, p. 122)

Read sahih bhukari (1:1:367) to get a better picture and stop behaving like a premier league referee.

Rashduct4luv:
All perfect praise be to Allaah, The Lord of the worlds. I testify that there is none worthy of worship except Allaah, and that Muhammad, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, is His slave and Messenger.

Every Muslim has to respect and hold the Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) in high esteem. Likewise, he has to honor all the Prophets and believe in their infallibility. One has to believe that they are chosen personalities; Allaah The Almighty protected them from every abominable act and deed. This is a generally accepted fact, no one disagrees with it except Jews who accuse the prophets of bad deeds and atheists who do not respect Allaah The Almighty and His prophets and who do not recognize their rights. After believing in this well-known and well-established fact, if one comes across any report that is contrary to the above fact, it should not make one doubtful, as either it is a fabricated story or it is to be interpreted in a way that befits the honorable status of the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ).

Know that Umm al-Mumineen Safiyyah daughter of Huyay may Allaah be pleased with her was married to Salaam bin Mushkam and then Kinanah bin Al-Rabee' bin Abu al-Haqaiqh married her. Her father Huyay had been killed in the Battle of Quraizah for breaching the covenant, he was not killed in the Battle of Khaibar. The Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) made peace with the people of Khaibar after besieging them. After that agreement, no one was killed except two persons: two sons of Abu al-Haqeeq for breaching the agreement. According to the agreement no one would hide their property, nevertheless the two sons of Abu al-Haqeeq hid the property of Huyay bin Akhtab. Thus, they were killed as a punishment.

The general rule is that the women of warriors become captives. Dihyah may Allaah be pleased with him a Companion of the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam (may Allaah exalt his mention ) asked the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam (may Allaah exalt his mention ) to give him a slave woman and he permitted him to take one of the captives. Thus, he chose Safiyyah may Allaah be pleased with her. Then, the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) was told that she was the first lady among Banu Quraythah and an-Nadheer (two Jewish tribes) and it was not suitable to make her marry anybody except him. Thereafter, the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) presented Islam to her, and she accepted it willingly. Then the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) manumitted her and married her and her Mahr (bridal dowry) was her manumission. She accepted Islam of her own free will, although it was possible for her to remain on her religion.

In fact, her manumission was an honor for her granted by the Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam (may Allaah exalt his mention ). Indeed, her marriage with the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam (may Allaah exalt his mention) was a blessing of Allaah The Almighty who honored her by this marriage; due to this marriage she became the Mother of all Believers. All Muslims seek Allaah's blessings for her until the Day of Judgment. Let's assume that the honor and dignity came to her after facing calamities and trials, many times favors come after a calamity as Allaah The Almighty Says (what means): {… and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you …}[Quran, 2: 216]

In addition, there are many narrations proving that the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam (may Allaah exalt his mention) brought peace and happiness to her and comforted her. He also clarified the reasons for what had happened to her people. Thereupon she said, "I did not get up from my place until he was the most beloved person to me". Another narration reads that she said, "I never saw anyone who has a better character than the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention )". She also said, "I saw him riding on his mount while I was feeling sleepy and my head was falling on the stick of the mount, then he would pat me with his hand saying: "Take it easy, O daughter of Huyay bin Akhtab" . When they reached Al-Sahabah he sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam (may Allaah exalt his mention) said to her: “O Safiyyah! I apologize for what I did to your people; certainly they accused me of such and such."

In fact, Allaah The Almighty honored His Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam (may Allaah exalt his mention) by protecting him from marrying any woman who hated or disliked him. On the other hand, Allaah The Almighty prepared her mentally for this marriage wherein she had seen in a dream that a full moon fell in her lap. When she narrated this dream to her husband Kinaanah, he slapped her saying, 'Do you like the king of Yathrib'? Afterwards, the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam (may Allaah exalt his mention) noticed the green discoloration around her eyes due to that slap. Very soon, she knew that Allaah The Almighty made her dream come true and honored her by her marriage with His beloved Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam (may Allaah exalt his mention ). She died during the caliphate of Mu'aawiyah may Allaah be pleased with him in 50 A.H. Indeed, she is the wife of the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam (may Allaah exalt his mention) in both this world and the Hereafter.

Allaah Knows best.

Source

How can you endorse and approve of banditory and crimininality because it was committed by your so-called perfect man? Mohammed and his men killed the entire family of Safiyya and one dhiyya took her as a sex slave, and only for another fellow bandit to to backbite dhiyya by telling mohammed that saffiya is too beautiful for Dhiyya. As a result, mohammed have to purchase safiyya from him in exchange for 7 slaves (sunnah ibn maggah hadith numner 2272).

And may I also tell you that khinana was killed by mohammed's men who tortured him by placing a hot iron on his chest for him to confess where they (khinana) hide their gold. Is this not stealing and looting? Let me get your opinion.

ZombieTERROR:
You that has never crossed the Niger bridge is talking about Aba... In your dreams though..

I just went through all the jargons you wrote about the reasons you voted Buhari
Lol.... Shame
You should be ashamed of yourself

We also have Aba-uno (Aba-tedo in Yoruba language) in Delta state. Travel and learn physical and human geography.

Janosky:
Maximum impact of FALSEHOOD,
where you copy that lie wey you no want give credit to the original poster?
Matt24:3-34, Jesus Christ said "this generation" will certainly not pass away until ALL these things have happened."
**Jesus means the generation that saw ALL THE EVENTS OF VERSES 3 to 34.
No generation at any time has seen the fulfilment of verses 14,27-31.
STOP LYING.

You can make your point without being abusive or tagging someone a negative name. This is too common among the JW.

Maximus69:
(1)The Watchtower have made it open to all members of the organization that "they are infallible so they can make mistakes in organizational directions". That means if you're a member of this organization, you should be alert to the changes so that when all the members globally get timely information regarding what we were taught initially that must be readjusted, all members switch to the new understanding.

That means that individual members has no opinion on what to be 'adjusted' but must get confirmation from the head office (in Brooklyn NY). Are individual opinions of the JW relevant when these adjustments are made?

Maximus69:
So it's none members that are complaining outside the camp NOT those inside the camp fully prepared to take instructions!

Non-members have to complain because you visit them in their houses to teach them 'what the Bible really teaches'. If the teachings changes they will naturally raise an eye-brow against what they were initially thought. If a teacher taught his pupil that 3 raise to powe 2 is 6, and tomorrow corrected himself that 3 raise to power 2 is 8. A brilliant student will be wary of that teacher and equllay doubt his competence.

Maximus69:
(2)Based on what i explained in the first response, the Watchtower needed not such because all members are aware that new instructions can come anytime to invalidate the old order.

Which also mean that the watchtower has no business convicing the public to join their group since watchtower never wanted them to be critical of the doctrinal changes happening in the organization. The business of the organization should have been better restricted to the group.

Maximus69:
So who are those demanding apology from the Watchtower, bonafide members fully prepared to welcome new developments or none members who never thought of obeying instructions given to members of the Watchtower?

Can you show me a time the watchtower offered apology to its member for adjusting an old teaching which were initially taught as the 'Bible truth'? Is offering apology anathema to the organization especially when some of their old teachings had misled many of her members?

maximunimpact:
The Watch Tower have a habit of stretching the scriptures to suite whatever plan they have, first they overstretched Nebuchadnezzar's dream to mean more than his 7yrs madness which landed the sect into the 1914 controversy, till date that has become their biggest error.

Secondly they read more into Jesus's words (Matthew 24:34 [King James Bible]
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.) to the Jews concerning the Roman invasion that ended the Jewish nation in the first century, every bible student understands that to mean the invasion will happen while the generation listening to the sermon are still alive.

The Siege of Jerusalem in 70 AD when the Romans destroyed much of the Temple in Jerusalem fulfilled Jesus's prophesy, but just like the Watch Tower read more into Nebuchadnezzar's dream, they also made same mistake twice by over stretching the scripture which always put them into thesame mess, which is: "the 1914 controversy"

Revelation 22:18 says: [King James Bible]
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: Clearly the over zealous men in your organisation have added to the scriptures more than once which means they'll receive their plague in due time.

The only defense most of JWs have to justify their doctrines is the fact they claim to be the only group going door to door to preach, but what good does it do for Christ to go house to house teaching errors?

The Watch Tower checks all the boxes of a false prophet which is: consistently lying and trying to cover up with another lie

Well stated.

Maximus69:
You're 100% correct about their confused state of mind and declaration back then Sir!

You're on point!

What i'm saying is that neither you nor i was present in 1914 or 1919, so whatever mistakes those taking the lead in Jehovah's Witnesses organization made back then is just history now.

What really matters is how far is the organization going today?

There has never been a time God's people grasp the instruction God gave them perfectly, it was only when Jesus was here on earth that he kept guiding them until he returns to heaven.
The first century Christians also committed blunders in the organizational directions as well, they even misquoted Jesus' saying for decades until the time God's holy spirit inspired John the Apostle to correct the wrong notion that thousands of Christians back then had taken to their grave!

The only evidence pointing to them as the one and only group worshiping God in the right sense is their performance as a group. Whoever concentrated on their blunders back then will never be saved because without them nobody can know what Jesus commanded people to do to gain salvation!

Today Jehovah's Witnesses have proved beyond all doubts that they are the one and only Christian group, i'll implore you Sir to weigh matters from both sides NOT just concentrating on their blunders, the first century Christians that we are all reading their writings today also committed blunders even costly ones!

It is very very disingenuous to use the Bible to explain away failed prophecies and wrong teachings of the watchtower society. The first century Christians, though very anticipatory for the second coming of the Messiah, never have any official date/year when the Messiah will come. The JW gave various dates (1914, 1925, 1975 and 1984) for the end of this 'system of things' and the coming 'Armageddon' which never happened. So blaming the first century Christians, the technical watchtower blackmailing style, in order to remove themselves from the hooks of false prophecies and teachings, is evil and very disingenuous on their part. What a responsible organization would have done is to apologize to the public for their mistakes and ensure that they don't peddle hypothesis as facts. But no, the watchtower cannot be wrong, they based their teachings on the Bible and their mistakes can equally be tied to other people's mistakes using Bible as a reference.

The Bible contains the good, the bad and the ugly, and one can get justification for any action he saw/learnt in the Bible. Moses killed an Egyptian to save a Hebrew from being killed by the Egyptian, does that justify murder? Does that mean that if an Igbo man sees his brother in danger of being mauled by a Yoruba man he should kill the Yoruba man to save his Igbo brother? This is the exact position the watchtower tried to take. Instead of taking responsibility for their doctrinal errors, they either blame their members (who are the victims of the false teachings) or look for a parallel (even unrelated) incident in the Bible, to justify their mistakes without taking or accepting responsibility for it.

My question is, if the watchtower had been known, and they have acknowledged it, to have changed so many doctrines over the years, what is the tendency that what they currently teach today as 'the one and only truth' will not be changed tomorrow, going by the past trend? Has the watchtower ever apologised for making mistakes in their past teachings?

Terenike:
Interesting

These is a lie and you are an unrepentant criminal. You scammed my friends and use their WhatsApp numbers to defraud people who are in their contact list.
May God punish you and your crew members. It won't be well with you.
Please Family, the offer below is a scam, DO NOT give him your WhatsApp mobile number or else he will steal it and personalize your WhatsApp number for different nefarious activities. If you check his numbers before, he has changed it for another one. He has over 30 monikers on Nairaland.

Be warned!

Saksreal:
Fourteen centuries ago, God sent
down the Qur'an to mankind as a
book of guidance. He called upon
people to be guided to the truth by adhering to this book. From the day
of its revelation to the day of
judgement, this last divine book will
remain the sole guide for humanity.
The matchless style of the Qur'an and the superior wisdom in it are definite evidence that it is the word of God. In addition, the Qur'an has many miraculous attributes proving that it is a revelation from God. One of these attributes is the fact that a number of scientific truths that we have only been able to uncover by the technology of the 20th century were stated in the Qur'an 1,400 years ago.
Of course the Qur'an is not a book of science. However, many scientific facts that are expressed in an extremely concise and profound manner in its verses have only been discovered by the technology of the 20th century.

These facts could not have been
known at the time of the Quran's
revelation, and this is still more proof
that the Qur'an is the word of God.


1. EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE
In the Quran, which was revealed 14 centuries ago at a time when the science of astronomy was still
primitive, the expansion of the
universe was described like this:

"And it is We who have constructed
the heaven with might, and verily,
it is We who are steadily expanding
it."
(The Quran, 51:47)

The word "heaven", as stated in this verse, is used in various places in the Quran with the meaning of space and universe. Here again, the word is
used with this meaning. In other
words, in the Qur'an it is revealed that the universe "expands". And this is the very conclusion that science has reached today.

Until the dawn of the 20th century, the
only view prevailing in the world of science was that "the universe has a constant nature and it has existed since infinite time". The research, observations, and calculations carried out by means of modern technology, however, have revealed that the universe in fact had a beginning, and that it constantly " expands".
At the beginning of the 20th century,
the Russian physicist Alexander
Friedmann and the Belgian cosmologist Georges Lemaitre
theoretically calculated that the
universe is in constant motion and
that it is expanding .
This fact was proved also by
observational data in 1929. While
observing the sky with a telescope,
Edwin Hubble, the American
astronomer, discovered that the stars and galaxies were constantly moving away from each other. A universe where everything constantly moves away from everything else implied a constantly expanding universe. The observations carried out in the following years verified that the universe is currently expanding.


2. ORBITS

While referring to the Sun and the Moon in the Qur'an, it is emphasized that each moves in a definite orbit.
"It is He Who created the night and
the day, and the sun and the moon.
They swim along, each in an orbit. "
(The Quran, 21:33)
It is mentioned in another verse, too, that the Sun is not static but moves in a definite orbit:
"And the sun runs to its resting place. That is the decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing. "
(The Qur'an, 37:38)

These facts communicated in the
Qur'an have been discovered by
astronomical observations in our age.
According to the calculations of
experts on astronomy, the Sun is
traveling at the enormous speed of 720,000 kilometers an hour in the direction of the star Vega in a
particular orbit called the Solar Apex.
This means that the sun travels
roughly 17,280,000 kilometers a day. Along with the Sun, and all planets and satellites within the gravitational system of the Sun also travel the same distance. In addition, all the stars in the universe are in a similar
planned motion. That the entire universe is full of paths and orbits such as this one, is written in

God didn't send down any quran. It was the idea of Omar ibn kathab to compile all what Mohammed allegedly said Allah told him as a single book. Mohammed was not even aware that a compiled book called the quran exist anywhere.

dexmond:
@Poster

Your prophet was asked to perform a miracle by the jews in quraish, he told that he could not do it. That he was just a warner. All these miracles were later inventions and deception used by him to keep people under his spell. Do you know he elevated himself to the position of a god, by saying "We" when referring to his revelations. Moreover, he said muslims should not answer a call if they are praying, but he called someone when the man was praying, the man did not answer only for mohammad to chide the man that it is only him that has the right to call muslims even if they are in the presence of "god". Go and think deeply about the man you are following. He used his religion to favour his course, I can prove it any day even from your hadiths and quran.

Nice point.

Maximus69:
Please Sir on behalf of all JWs globally, i'm pleading now for your patience.

Please let's forget about all the past arguments we've had in the past so that each of us can go our separate ways in PEACE.

We have heard you and you've heard us, so there is no reason for further pestering over who is right or wrong, for now our brother Mrshape who opened this thread has ordered all JWs here to desist from further debates or arguments with none JWs, and since you yourself have said that your God warned you to avoid us, i'll implore you to consider obeying your God at least for now.

Thanks Sir!

ok.

Maximus69:
That's why we are different from them, if they're not willing to agree that the Bible's author has always claim to be the ONE and ONLY true God who has NEVER at any time approved more than ONE single form of worship, then we as Jehovah's Witnesses won't agree that our own God will approve more than ONE form of worship no matter how kind, nice, good a person may be, God always order his own people to be under one organized setting!)

Thousands of JWs have said the same thing but eventually left after they see they have, all thier lives, been living in delusion. See your ex-JWs on link below, learn from their past mistakes and have sense:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/09/moment-changed-me-quitting-jehovahs-witnesses

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-28166192

Go read Raymond Franz's (a former memeber of the JW Governing Body) book: THE CRISIS OF CONSCIOUS. Read his expose and get sense.

I am sure you have been warned never to listen to the testmonoies of apostates or ex-JWs, please open the links above, read their views and have sense. Walahi, you will come back and thank me.

Janosky:
This is how evil you have can become with your LYING.
The 'home' in your brain that your delusion destroyed..
** 1Cor7:12-16 says you're a SHAMELESS LIAR.

Since you are this ignorant let me ask you a practical question. If two muslim couples suddenly become JWs. After 5 years the husband became tired of the organization and decide to opt out but thr wife remained in the religion. As an elder in JW, what will be your advise to the wife? Let me test you and know your level of dishonesty.

Janosky:
We already know your brain is wired to the machine of hypocrisy and FALSEHOOD.

* , true2god confession, that's his admittance of the violation of Rule 8 of NL forum.
Moderator,please take note.
true2god profile confirm he is a Muslim.
https://www.nairaland.com/true2god

CC: OAMAJ

You are a clown brother. So you cant handle a minor criticism hence seeking the attention of the MOD to ban me. I was a muslim, I am no a muslim. I was a JW but I am no more a JW because I am free to claim any religious identity (hope you understand the sarcasm). Should I help you google the phone number of the moderator? A brainwashed JW!

Maximus69:
You shouldn't have added this, because it reminds me of someone who is a nuisance!

If Paul asked you to AVOID SUCH as JWs and you're sound in mind, please what exactly brought you into this thread after seeing it clearly addressed to JWs ONLY?

Your stupidity knows no bound. Do you bother to read what necessitated that statement and why I made reference to Paul's instruction on that? As someone rightly said, you only read but never comprehend. Is this how your thinking faculty had been damaged by the watchtower brainwashing society? You will do far better if you had remained a Muslim.

Maximus69:
If he truthfully honour his parents, such question shouldn't have protruded from his mouth!

Because they born, bread and brought him up in that activity, so for him now to leave them at home only to start questioning a total stranger why such a thing is proper, shows lack of respect in fact it's dishonour for our good parents!

You claimed you were formerly a Muslim, right? Do you think you are dishonoring your parents if you question some teachings and beliefs in Islam? Do you believe that everyone is a separate individual whose thinking faculty is not linked to his parents? How are you different from the Talibans and the salafis who believe every man must think like them or be killed?

Oh, JWs don't kill but can provide emotional and psychological torture by shunning or disfellowshipping any member who questions some beliefs. He will be given new titles like 'apostate', 'mentally diseased', 'satanic instruments', 'misguided people', etc.

I won't even forget how the watchtower has destroyed many home. If for instances a couple, who were never JWs, embrace the faith and after 5 years the husband and wife decide to leave the organization. The watchtower will ask the woman (if she is still a JW) to seek divorce and seek custody of the children so that the husband will not be a bad influence on the children. The husband and the wife were happy before joining but if the husband sees the dillusionment in the organization and decides to leave, he will be surely given a JW malicious name and the watchtower will advice the woman to seek a divorce. This is how evil your organization can be.

Maximus69:
How do you handle a child born, bread and brought up in Islam, who now turned his back against the faith only to start asking a new convert in Islam "what is zaqat?"
Haba, he no learn am from him Papa and Mama wey train am for inside Islam?

Please that's an insult as in a big slap on the face of my daddy and mummy in JW organization! Deuteronomy 6:6-7

Making reference to someone's parent in a public discussion is an insult to any sane mind (I never doubt your sanity). It will be rational for you to stop this childish attitude unless you want to maintain the watchtower policy who said 'apostates have mental diseases'.

Maximus69:
JWs ONLY

Is the instruction Sir!

If you say Muslims only or Catholics only or Buddhist only, a JW will never trespass due to our high regard for ORDER!

Perhaps that's why you people can't grasp the meaning of ORDERLINESS!

What makes you think that Muslims blocking a public road for a friday prayer is rational? Nairaland is a public forum hence you can't create a person rule for yourself. If you dont want the public to comment on JW activities there are many sites and chatrooms exclusively created for JWs only. Nairaland is not a property of the watchtower brainwashing society.

Maximus69:
Walahi Talahi DEMO is really really CRAZY!

Please are you sure that (there is no God except Allah?)

Did the spirit reveal that to you or you read it from the Bible?

Because i really don't get the so called things of the spirit in what you did there!

You won't get the thing (not the so-called) of the spirit because they are foolishness you (1 cor 2:14). Paul surely has the JW in mind before writing that letter to the church in Corinth. And you know what, Paul also asked us to avoid such (the JW).

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmm,
Maximus with intelligence!

Most JWs often takes their young once along when going for the preaching and teaching work, an inquisitive and intelligent child must have asked his parents where it's written that they should be doing this since JWs always claim they are doing what the Bible teaches. And JWs don't just order their children to do anything for God without showing their children where the order is given in the Bible.
Well you're just getting our friend angrier as you keep INSULTING HIS INTELLIGENCE!

There is no intelligence in insulting people. Watchtower made it look cool and intelligent when you insults apostates and non-JWs. In one of your magazines, the watchtower said people that left the organization have 'mental disease'. Which organization will be so stupid an ill mannered calling apostates crazy people. See link below:


https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/quotes/apostates.php

https://www.agnostic-library.com/ma/2011/09/27/jehovahs-witnesses-declare-apostates-mentally-diseased/

I think you guys have seriously been infected with the 'WT' virus.

Maximus69:
Please ask my daddy and mummy, after all they're Jehovah's Witnesses as well and they also go to teach people at home Sir!

The same you repeat here. Is it part of watchtower training to insult whoever does not share the same opinion with you? I think you might be be mannered when you were Muslim.

achorladey:
Maximus69 did you read this at all before asking me to go and CONVERT true2god? If you have not done so please do read again.

I don't think they even read and digest a post before making a comment on it. They operate a template and script designed and handover over to them by the watchtower organization. If you say 'A', they will say 'B' as long as their organization's buzz words are accommodated in their response.

TATIME:
I just pity the boy, his obsession for HEARING of strange VOICES is his problem!

He claim he heard a VOICE just as Jesus, Muhammad and so many other founders of religions of ancient times beards VOICES.

But what baffles me is how come he was so fortunate to hear such VOICE yet he forgot to ask an important question!

Jesus claims to be the only begotten son of God, Muhammad who also claim he heard VOICES said God told him he had NO son.

At least by now everyone will listen to what the VOICE told him regarding the conflicting ideas.

Now he's hanging between both religion not been sure of which one he can solely vouch for!

No wonder you called him a confused dullard, it's obvious his a confirmed nuisance!

No wonder most JWs live in poverty carrying one back for 10 years from house to house. God has blessed me and there is nothing your GB can do about it. If God has blessed me based on his promises I am OK and may God forgive you for making mockery of what you don't understand.

No doubt I visit 'Islam for Muslim' section all the time and I have to accept the Islamic creed for me to be able to comment, that does not make me a Muslim. I am a Christian but not a type of a watchtower robot like you. I use my brain and my brainbox is never connected to the watchtower brainwashing machine.

Do not make mockery of the thing of the spirit so that you do not attract curse into your life.

Maximus69:
Congratulations brother, you've found your lost brother.

You neither relate through blood (family)
Neither through business (colleague)
Nor through belief (faith)

You relate through faceless social media on Nairaland!

You are a true JW, I only pity the ignorant good neighbours that permit you into their compound for your deceitful publishing work. You are a lost soul bro.

TATIME:
Is that not the abbreviation of brother in bolded?

Heeeeee JEHOVAH save me o!

When did i become a brother to a member of Babylon the Great tórí Olórun?

Please don't ever use that abbreviation for me again, i'm begging you in the name of your god!

All you're to me is a NEIGHBOR Sir, that's why i've been chatting with you!

I'm not your bro, i can't be your bro and i will never be your bro?

We are all brothers in humanity but we allow artificial forces to divide us, among which is the watchtower organization.

[quote author=Empiree post=84184260][/quote]Empire I can't understand, is the prophet, or any of the sahabas, a plumber?

TATIME:
After checking my dictionary for the meaning of "STUPOR" i agreed completely that there is no other better description for the Beating!

Mr true2god complained that Jehovah's Witnesses are tarnishing the image of the Catholic Church.
But Mr true2god is NOT a Catholic and he can't defend the religion, he just want Jehovah's Witnesses to stop talking about Catholics.

Mr true2god is NOT a Muslim but he is saying Muslims do claim to be the one and only religion having the TRUTH.

Mr true2god is NOT a Janist but he is saying Janists do claim to be the one and only group having the TRUTH.

OK, what about the group Mr true2god is associating with? Shame will not allow him to speak of that one because he knows that the worshipers meeting together in his place of worship don't really believe what his Church teaches, they just gather together to catch some fun and later dispass each one to his house living the teachings of their Church behind!

But if you ask Mr true2god "are all the religious groups claiming Christians practicing Christianity in the real sense?" Our friend will say "NO!"

OK if you know that it's not all that's calling him Lord Lord that are Christians, how come you can't specifically direct an interested person to the group practicing Christianity?

Of course the stupidity under packaging will not allow him to speak, because if he can stand against a group talking of the idolatry going on a religion that's popularly known for worship of images, certainly there is no religion that's false from his point of view!

You are boring me bro. Stop throwing jibes and debate. If you cant make any logical argument park one side.

Maximus69:
You can continue deceiving yourself, everyone knows that the one and only group known globally for oneness in thought is Jehovah's Witnesses.

You are parroting the same national anthem over and over again: one and only group known globally. It is getting too monotonous for my liking. Get another mission statement.

Maximus69:
Wherever you go under the heavens, you can confidently say this is what to expect from a typical JW and whenever you meet anyone claiming JW without such beliefs you will say "surely this is NOT one of them".

The same way you can easily identify a true deeperlife member, in apperance and conduct. Even a muslim tabliq is also identifiable in their alqada. What your point? Singing your own praise?

Maximus69:
ONENESS in thought and ORDERLINESS Sir, that's the one and only logic Jesus gave every honest hearted and sincere observer to look for! Matthew 5:14-16, John 17:20-23

The Japanese are the race with the most recongnize worldwide in ONENESS in thought and ORDERLINESS . Whats your point exactly?

Maximus69:
So if the religion missed out in this two qualities, they are NOT the real followers of that man from Nazareth! Luke 11:23

Ok, a subjctive opinion and being taught at the watchtower society.

Maximus69:
So you've suddenly regained the ENERGY you previously said you don't have!

It was never my plan to engage you intellectually. Do not wake a sleeping lion. I have wanted to reduce my engagement on NL but at times I have to clear your illusion and self-deceit.

Maximus69:
Well the attribute of a sheep is willingness to follow instructions from the Shepherd along WITH THE FOLD! John 10:16,27

That is true, I have no problem with that if the Shepherd is not intellectually dishonest. The watchtower is highly dishonest intellectually and they are not even ashamed of that.

Maximus69:
So we are not in search of individuals without that attribute, that's why we will quietly and peacefully walk away to the next door to continue in our search for the LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL! Matthew 10:6, 15:24

The lost sheep is an easy prey to a lion. Agreed, an average JW on the street is intellectually equiped, at the kingdom hall, to challenge other christian groups (not muslims) who they might come in contact it. And if this sheep (the nominal christian) is not biblically equipped, the lion (the JWs) can easily consume them biblically and logically. It takes knowledge of the scriptures and comtemporary history to wade off the intellectual attack of the lions (JWs).

Maximus69:
So how come you're the one telling me whereas Jehovah's Witnesses are KNOWN GLOBALLY?

The watchtower will never tell you anything about the Janist because it will not serve their propaganda interest. If it is a scandal in a catholic church they will include it in their print edition to blackmail them emotionally. You asked for a renowned religious group globally known for PEACEFULLY claiming EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO THE TRUTH and i told you about the Janist and for the fact that you never heard or read about them is not my fault. There are hundreds of millions of people who know nothing about the JW and who never know such a group existed.

Maximus69:
Can you describe how people in your neighborhood can IDENTIFY this group?

The same way the people in Saudi arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, etc cannot identify who a JW is. You are too intelligent to have this myopic view and way of reasoning. Religion worldwide is geo-specific and billions of humanity dont even know if JW exist.

Maximus69:
You just can't grasp simple logic!

You lack logic else you wont ask Can you describe how people in your neighborhood can IDENTIFY this group? Some faith, like Judaism, Janism, Hinduism and shintos are not proselyting faith and never seek converts. It is a religion that seek converts that seek exclusive right to the truth, even if they are peddling lies to themselves and their prospects.

Maximus69:
My grandpa once said
"if you hear one person say
'we had a fight'
whereas the other person said
'i beat him like a baby'
then know that the later must have dealt a heavy blow on the former"

How does this related to the discussion at hand? That the JW has beaten the rest 'like a baby'. This is pure delusion and a self-inflated ego. For over 120 years of the watchtower organization, their global population is still below 9million which means that they are not making impact and their effort does not appeal the masses.

Maximus69:
Jehovah's Witnesses organization is the one and only Christian group. Jesus foretold so many signals that will help sincere observers IDENTIFY his true followers amidst countless false ones impersonating Christianity.

Every cult make the same claim, [b]one and only. Any group with this mantra is surely a snake oil salesman organization who have nothing to offer except claming one and only to make them relevant and instill, pschologically, a false sense of purpose and truthfulness.

Maximus69:
All of you are from different religious groups claiming Christians and your forms of religion contradicts one another, yet despite that you can't single any out as your principal enemy religion because all of you are hypocritically complaining under G. While Jehovah's Witnesses are publicly declaring they are the only Christian group!

JW is a sub-set of christinity with an equally different belief. No any JW will visit a prospect in his house and say he is not a christian. It is even irrational to assume that the rest are false because of their doctrinal contradcitions while JW teachings also contributed to the contradictions. This is strawman argument which makes not sense but might be logical to a JW.

Maximus69:
So let's hear you mentioned the ONE and ONLY Christian group by name otherwise Jehovah's Witnesses have it Sir!

I have heard this mantra more than 1000 times. If a lie is told repeatedly 1million times it will never transform to a truth.