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Rashduct4luv:
Stop shifting goal post. Anwer the questions you were asked. Does your God know the future?

Is your question from a religious or philosophical point of view.

Rashduct4luv:
Why save people from Homosexuality only for them to commit incest?

I have provided an answer to this question before.

true2god:
This is a very bad thing but that does not mean it never happened. Besides, Lot is not a prophet, at least going by the Jewish and christian beliefs and theology. How did it happen that Lot's daughter commited incest with their father? Was the affair consensual? It was never a consensual relationship; the daughters, desperate to have children (because the lost their husbands in Sodom), got their father drunk, had sex with him, got pregnant and bore children.

What is the consequnence of their action?

1) The seed they produced were cursed and they multiply to become the Moabites.

2) The spiritual link between Abraham and Lot was broken. While Abraham's seed was blessed, the seed of Lot was in contant sufferings war and hostility.

3) The land of Moab was cursed and it became barren and a desert that was unproductive.

The lessons learnt:

1) Incentious relationship is bad no matter the reason.

2) Lot's daughters were desperate instead of praying to God to help them with another husbands.

3) Short-cut is never the answer to a man's problem; the future for the 'short-cut' is always fraught with disappointments, despair and regrets.

Can you please provide the quranic narrative to this event?

true2god:
Man is a freewill agent. If God saves one from a terrible accident that does not mean that if he enters a lions den he wont be eaten by a lion. Human are not robot that are programmed to act in a certain way; man have will and emotion and you cant blame God for the foolishness of man. This is exaxtly what you attempt to do in order to condemn the biblical account of a recorded event. And FYA, the Bible contains the good, the bad and the ugly and it is all for us to learn and never repeat mistakes of the past.

You really need to seek forgiveness.

Rashduct4luv:
You will only drag yourself back. How many time will i explain this same story to you? If Muhammad lifted Bible storys that was compiled for 1000s of years in just 23 years then he is a superman. However we know he is unlettered.

An unlettered man is not blind, deaf and dump. We have some unlettered men who are very wise and intelligent. We have unlettered men who listen carefully and can remember things. So mohammed, being unlettered as you claim, can hear what christians and Jews claim to belief (quran 9:30). And he also has secetaries like zain ibn thabit and abdullah ibn saad who assist him write things down. Having a secretary who help you write down junks does not make you superhuman.

Mohammed at a time was even inflicted with madness, is that one of the characteristics of a 'superhuman'?

Rashduct4luv:
We have discussed this previously, if you have forgotten.....

Yes, mohammed asked you guys to validate Islam from the people of the book. That's a fact!

Rashduct4luv:
The Qur'an made sense to the best generations of Muslims when the Bible was not in existence as it is now and it will keep making sense to us without the Bible. How will something you passionately hate make sense to you? You only need complete events in story books, movies and similar works of literature. What is contained in our Books is sufficient for us. Once again we disbelieve in your Books and we believe whatever our Books affirm.

No, the quran did not make sense to best generation of muslims. One of the sahabas, Abdullah ibn Sa'ad ibn Abi Saar actually left Islam when he discovered that quran was the work of mohammed and was marked for execution when mohammed reconquered (ibn Ishaq page 550, tabaqat page 174, sunnah abu dawood 14:2677, sunnah abu dawood 38:4345). Abu Jahl and Abu Sufiyan also saw mohammed as a charlatan. And one of the companions, who later became a khalifa, uthman ibn affan burnt some copies of the quran he deemed irrelevant. I am only condemning your quran because the OP condemned the narratives in the Bible as false.

Rashduct4luv:
The Qur'an is not competing with your Bible. And the theme of the OP is to strengthen the belief in our Books and the disbelief in other irrelevances. You do not believe in our Book but you are here fighting tooth and nail for us to believe in your Book.
The Qur'an is the the word of Allah. The Hadith is the tradition of the Prophet. The Seerah are narrations which may be true or not. The Bible contains words of God, word of servants of God, words of incest, words of drunkard, words of murderer, words of foolish people all mixed together.

The quran is competing with the Bible because muslims scholars will never be comfortable without condemning the Bible. It is their trademark unless you want to lie.

Rashduct4luv:
There is sanity and authenticity in Islamic Books. The Qur'an is written in Arabic. So you need the knowledge of the language to fully grasp its details, settings and context. If it's giving you headache then use Paracetamol, Acetaminophen, Diclofenac or Ibuprofen depending how mild or strong the headache is....

There is no sanity in Islamic books else we will not have strong, weak and fabricated hadith all in one volume of book. If there is sanity in the quran, we will not need a tafsir and the hadith to rationalize it. The quran is never a stand alone book because it contents will never make sense independetly.

Rashduct4luv:
I asked i can you read about Lot's daughter's incestuous rape, Noah being naked drunk, David being a wife coveter, murderer to your six year old daughter? No, the only thing those kids would be taught will be Noah saved the people from the flood, David killed Goliath and Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed, Lot and his daughters were saved while the wife looked back and turned to pillar of salt FULL STOP.

Hope you have not forgotten that no Imam will teach young child quran 4:24 and it supporting hadith which highlight mohammed's and his companion's rape and atrocities. And again, no muslim teacher will teach his pupils quran 66:1 where mohammed was caught, by Hafsa, sleeping with a slave girl, Maria the copt, and allah enouraged him to continue and wondered why the prophet 'will make unlawful what he (allah) had made lawful (sex slavery) to him.

Rashduct4luv:
The Ark and the flood was highlighted in the Qur'an. Those who heed to the voice of the Prophet Noah and entered in to the ark were saved. And the disobedient ones perished. The Qur'an does not portray drunkenness. How can someone inspired by God to build an ark and save the believers now resort to drinking wine till he was drunk and became naked....

This story was lifted from the Torah by mohammed when he was in exile in medina. Mohammed can never claim originality to the story because the event was recorded over 3000 years before mohammed was born. Now let me ask you, how can a man inspired by allah lust after his adopted son's wife, Zainab (quran 33:37. You can also get the full story from altabari) and allah encouraged Zaid ibn mohammed (his adopted son) to divorce zainab so that mohammed can marry her? Where have you ever seen this sort of a thing happen except with mohammed?

Rashduct4luv:
We don't believe such stories.

You do not need to believe, however mohammed asked muslims to consult the people of the book for clarification in any religious matter.

Rashduct4luv:
Qur'an doesn't narrate lust, murder, adultery and covetousness of a Prophet. All Prophets as stated earlier are humans capable of making mistakes but not as grave as these. Prophet David was free from all these. He was a messenger inspired with the Zabur. How can someone God inspired be capable of making many grave mistakes like this? Will you say God made a mistake in appointing David? Even Jesus was called the son of David, the murderer of Uriah, Adulterer and Coveter of Uriah's wife.

The prophets of God are not angels or superhuman. The Bible was not written to filter their grave mistakes but to learn from it and avoid similar mistakes. The christian God is against covering and protecting evil and does not give his prophets special privilege, unlike allah who gave mohammed immunity to do what he likes and sleep with any woman she likes (quran 33:50-53)

Rashduct4luv:
The Islamic narration is honorable. David was inspired to kill Goliath. It has been transmitted by Ibn 'Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, that the Prophet Muhammad, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said:

"The prayer which Allah loves most is the prayer of Da'wud. The fast which Allah loves most is that of Da'wud. He used to sleep for half of the night, stand up in prayer for a third and sleep for a sixth. He would fast every other day. He wore wool and slept on hair. He ate barley bread with salt and ashes. He mixed his drink with tears. He was never seen to laugh after his error nor to look directly at the sky because of his shyness before his Lord and he continued to weep for the rest of his life. It is said that he wept until plants sprang up from his tears and until tears formed ridges in his cheeks. It is said that he went out in disguise to learn what people thought of him, and hearing himself praised only made him more humble."
Al-Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn Hanbal, Abu Da'wud, An-Nasa'i, and Ibn Majah. From Ash-Shifa' of Qadhi 'Iyad 1:2:24

The Islamic narrative is an hadith which can be called rumours and gossips. How can I trust the sabahas who the shia (your fellow muslims) do not view as honourable and whose narrations in the hadith had been deemed either weak or fabricated? The bible was not written to patrnonize the prophets but to learn from them and avoid making the same errors they made.

Rashduct4luv:
The first born child was sacrificed and the second born. That's our belief and we are not here to state your belief.

As I said earlier, this is subjective.

Rashduct4luv:
Sorry, The Qur'an does promote incest.Can you read this incestuous rape to your girl child as the word of God? Probably she too may out of desperation rape her father with wine when she is unable to get boyfriend.

The Bible completely condemn incetiuous relationship. See details below,

Leviticus 20:17:
If a man marries his sister, the daughter of either his father or his mother, and they have sexual relations, it is a disgrace. They are to be publicly removed from their people. He has dishonored his sister and will be held responsible.

Read Leviticus 18:8–18 and Deuteronomy 27:22-25, you will get full reading where God condemned incest and placed curse on whoever engaged in such. However allah in quran 33:50-53 approves such for mohammed.

Rashduct4luv:
The Qur'an narrated about the destruction of the People of Lot who were homosexuals. Disobedient and rebellious people perished after several warnings from the Prophet Lot. Morals highlighted. Case closed.

Mohammed lifted the story from the Bible and replicated it in the quran. It was not a strange or new story during the time of mohammed; he heard it from the Jews and the Christians around Medina during his lifetime. I can actually say that Allah revealed to me that in 1999 Olusegun Obasanjo was Nigeria's head of state. How can you call an already recorded event a revelation from allah and recorded in the quran while the Jews have been aware of it for over 3000 years before mohammed?

Rashduct4luv:
Why did God save Lot and his daughters from Homosexualism only for them to pollute the earth with incest or God is unaware of their future actions?

Man is a freewill agent. If God saves one from a terrible accident that does not mean that if he enters a lions den he wont be eaten by a lion. Human are not robot that are programmed to act in a certain way; man have will and emotion and you cant blame God for the foolishness of man. This is exaxtly what you attempt to do in order to condemn the biblical account of a recorded event. And FYA, the Bible contains the good, the bad and the ugly and it is all for us to learn and never repeat mistakes of the past.

Rashduct4luv:
Astagfirullaha wa atubu ilahi

You really need to seek forgiveness.

Rashduct4luv:
Taking one verse and dropping another related verse is called cherry picking.

“And because of their saying (in boast), ‘We killed the Messiah ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allaah,’ — but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared so to them the resemblance of ‘Eesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man)], and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)]:
But Allaah raised him [‘Eesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allaah is Ever All Powerful, All Wise”[al-Nisaa’ 4:157-158]

So Eesa (peace be upon him) did not die, rather Allaah raised him up to Himself, and he will descend before the Day of Resurrection and will follow Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He will prove the Jews to be wrong in their claim to have killed ‘Eesa and crucified him. And he will prove the Christians to be wrong who exaggerated about him and said that he was God, or the son of God, or the third of three. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “By the One in Whose hand is my soul, the son of Maryam will descend among you as a just judge. He will break the cross, kill the pigs and abolish the jizyah (tax paid my non-Muslims in an Islamic state), and money will become so widespread that there will be no one who will accept it.” (Agreed upon; narrated by Muslim, no. 155).

Jesus is alledged, in the quran, to have made this statement:

So peace is on me (Jesus) the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life!(quran 19:33, Yusuf Ali). So who do I believe? Jesus that came 600 years ealier and allegedly said and I quote again:

So peace is on me (Jesus) the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life,

Or mohammed who came 600 years later and said:

And because of their saying (in boast), ‘We killed the Messiah ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allaah,’ — but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared so to them the resemblance of ‘Eesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man)], and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)

And if you take a critical look at the verse above you will agree with me that allah DECEIVE the people to think that Jesus was crucified while he replaced Jesus christ with another person. This means that allah deceived the present-day Jews and christian into believing a delusion that Jesus actually dies while he did not. Who is to blame for christians believing Jesus was crucified? Allah of course because he deceived over 2.5billion christians to belive in an event that never took place. I am actually going by your Islamic narrative of allah substution method in this particular scenario.

Rashduct4luv:
Not all Christians believe in the trinity We have the Unitarian Christians. So don't act as if you are unaware. I think you are the confused one here. Which verse of the Qur'an states that Christians trinity composes of God , Jesus and Mary?

Yes not all christians believed in the Trinity, like the Jehovah's witnesses. The Jehovah's witnesses did not also believe in heaven or hell. They are heretical christians and are fringe minority, not up to 1%.

As for the verse where mohammed got the doctrine of the Trinity wrong, see the ayah below:

And when Allah said, "O Isa, son (of) Maryam! Did you say to the people, "Take me (Jesus) and my mother (Mary) two gods besides Allah?" He said, "Glory be to You! Not was for me that I say what not I (had) right. If I had said it, then surely You would have known it. You know what (is) in myself, and not I know what (is) in Yourself. Indeed, You, You (are) All-Knower (of) the unseen.(quran 5:116)

No christian denomination teach or believe in what mohammed claimed in the ayah above. Mohammed misunderstood the christian concept of Trinity which is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit (and not Mary). Mohammed goofed big time here.

najib632:
the gosple of Barnabas one of the desciples (peace be upon them) wrote something different from paul. I'd rather believe Barnabas than paul. Read the gospel of Barnabas and the gospel of saint Thomas.

Can you send a screenshot of a single page of the so-called 'gosple of Barnabas'? Do you, or any muslim, have the copy? Have you seen the 'gosple of Barnabas' with your own eyes?

Rashduct4luv:
The Qur'an is not a story book. It is a template model for our life. Of what benefit are all these your stories to human kind? Can you even read that place where David was admiring Bathsheba as she was bathing from the balcony window to your young girl? There are useful narratives on some of the Prophets in the Qur'an and we don't need the details as we are sufficient with what Allah gave us. The Claim that there is no single narrative on any of the Prophet is a mistake from you.

Can you please provide any 'useful' narrative on ANY prophet using the quran. Kindly give me the surah and the ayah. I listed the life lesson each biblica; event taught us but you choosed to ignore. The bible is not a story book like 'tales by moonlight' but a recorded event to serve as a guide for the future generation. While muslims condemn the bible, they however have no other source to go to in order to have a complete narrative of how some events took place. Many ayah and surah in the quran does not make sense without muslims using the Bible to get a better picture of the event.

Rashduct4luv:
You last statement is illogical and irrational. A later book can be better edited than a previous book and vice versa.

How was the quran edited to give a better narrative of how some events happened in the bible. Mention a single biblical events that the quran threw a comprehensive and a brighter light on? As I said ealier, reading (not reciting) the quran alone without reference to other materials (like the Torah and the injil, the hadith and the seerah) will give one a serious headache because it is poorly arranged and in most cases does not make sense, even to a six year old child.

Rashduct4luv:
5. Crucifixion of Jesus and his claim of divinity or being God. (The Qur'an says Prophet "Eesa was not Cruxified. He was a man strengthened with the Spirit. Follow this link to see what Muslims believe about Jesus https://www.nairaland.com/4064473/what-muslims-belief-concerning-jesus

The crucifixtion of Jesus christ is both recorded as a historical and theological facts. Through the new testaemnt gospel, Jesus spoke about his death. The quran also talked about this in quran 19:33:

And peace be upon me the day I was born, the day I die, and the day I get resurrected..

The Islamic John the baptist also echoed same sentiment:

And peace be on him, the day he was born, the day he dies, and the day he will be raised up to life again! (quran 19:15).

While muslims agreed that John the Baptist died, how will they reconcile the fact that both made the same pronouncemnt but with diferent theological results in Islam?

As for the deitiship of christ, christians believed in the Trinity as the father (God), the son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit (the comforter). Mohammed's concept of the trinity is God, Jesus and Mary, a belief not held by any christian. Mohammed got the doctrine of the Trinity wrong, in the quran, hence his confusion.

Rashduct4luv:
4. After the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah Lot's two daughters made their father drunk and then slept with him in turns over two consecutive nights! (Prophet Lut can not be involved in incestuous rape. This could not have happened as it would defeat the reason why they were saved from the destruction)

This is a very bad thing but that does not mean it never happened. Besides, Lot is not a prophet, at least going by the Jewish and christian beliefs and theology. How did it happen that Lot's daughter commited incest with their father? Was the affair consensual? It was never a consensual relationship; the daughters, desperate to have children (because the lost their husbands in Sodom), got their father drunk, had sex with him, got pregnant and bore children.

What is the consequnence of their action?

1) The seed they produced were cursed and they multiply to become the Moabites.

2) The spiritual link between Abraham and Lot was broken. While Abraham's seed was blessed, the seed of Lot was in contant sufferings war and hostility.

3) The land of Moab was cursed and it became barren and a desert that was unproductive.

The lessons learnt:

1) Incentious relationship is bad no matter the reason.

2) Lot's daughters were desperate instead of praying to God to help them with another husbands.

3) Short-cut is never the answer to a man's problem; the future for the 'short-cut' is always fraught with disappointments, despair and regrets.

Can you please provide the quranic narrative to this event?

Rashduct4luv:
3. Abraham wanted to sacrifice Isaac. (In Islam, it was Ishmael his first son he wanted to sacrifice

This is subjective and the narrative is dependent on your religious affiliation. The Jews and the christians believed it was Isaac while mohammed believed it was Ishmeal that was to be sacrificed. However going by quranic injuctions, the quran is to be validated by what is written in the Torah and the Injil and not the other way round.

Rashduct4luv:
2. David saw beautiful Bathsheba while bathing. He then brought her to himself and laid with her. He later killed her husband(Uriah) so that he can marry her. ( A Prophet can not commit adultery, murder or covet other's wife. These are grave sins. Prophet Dawud used to fast one day and eat the next.)

The Bible recorded that David saw the nakeddness of Bathsheba, while she was bathing, and lusted after her. This is a true event according to the bible and the bible didnt try to hide the sins of men, no matter how highly placed they are because God is not a respecter of man. David commited sin by his action, against Bathsheba and her husband, and God punished him for that. God is not allah who gave mohammed a special privilege (quran 33:50-53). David was punished for his action and the son that was born from the ilicit relationship was killed by God.

So what are the consequences of David's actions?

1) God killed the son that was born from that illicit relationship.

2) God cursed David that sword will not depart from his house, that is conflicts.

3) David has to write Psalm 51 because of this incident.

What lesson do we learn from here?

1) Do not covet your neighbour's wife.

2) Do no kill your fellow man because of a woman

3) Do not bath outside such that men will be enticed because of your beauty.

4) Always ask for forgiveness and repent from it whenever you commit sin (psalm 51).

Can we get the Islamic narrative of these event?

Rashduct4luv:
1. Noah became drunk with wine. ( A Prophet can not drink wine or behave in this way. This happened after the flood)

Yes the Bible recorded that Noah became drunk and lost all rationality. He became nakedd, unknowingly, because he was drunk, and one of his sons saw his nakeddness and instead of covering his father's nakeddness, he laughed and made scorn of his father. What's the consequence? Noah placed a curse on him that his descendants will forever be a slave to the descendants of his siblings.

Whats the lesson to learn here.

1) Never get drunk such that you lose all sense of rationality.

2) Never make mockery of your father no matther what the case or situtation might be. Honour your father and your mother so that you (or your descendants) won't be a slave to your siblings. Personally, my mother was born poor but she was the most respectful and honorable among all her siblings towards my grand parents. What's the result? The children my mother gave birth are the most educated and successful in my maternal family tree.

3) The quran never gave her own version of the 'Noah incidence' but muslims, typically, condemned this biblical account without giving an alternative narration of events.

So it will be fair enough if you can provide a detailed Islamic account of the aforementioned event for a logical reconciliation of event.

Rashduct4luv:
There's no way tables won't shake anyways whether glass or wood. The Qur'an verses never says Prophets commit grave mistakes. However they are prone to minor mistakes. Grave mistakes including idol worshiping, Adultery, Incest, Murder, stealing, drunkenness, covetousness,etc.

The issue the quran has is that every Dick and Harry in the Jewish and Christian scripture is a prophet. Islam called Adam a prophet without him making a single prophecy. The quran called Lot a prophet without Lot giving a single prophesy, etc. For the fact that a name appears in the Bible does not make him/her a prophet.

You muslims condemned biblical detailed narratives concerning Lot, Noah, Solomon, Abraham, Moses, Jesus etc but the quran has no single narrative on any of these people. If a writer writes about how his father was born, where he was born, who have birth to his father, where his father grew up, the job his father did in his youthful age, how he good drunk at a time, and how he later beat and divorced his wife. And another writer, 70 years later, came and disregard all what he wrote by simply saying 'the man never drink for once', does that makes sense to you? This is the exact position the quran takes when it comes to the bible. The Bible gives a detailed analysis of events while the quran, poorly written and disorganized, will simply say 'the never killed him, it was meant to appear so' (FULL STOP). This is a nonsensical and illogical way of making a logical argument which the quran is notorious for.

I will analyse the points you made one by one when I am free.

Rashduct4luv:
It is one of the pillar of Islam for a Muslim must to believe in the Prophets. This Prophets includes Adam, Nuh (Noah), Ibrahim (Abraham), Musa (Moses), Isma'eel (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Yaqoob (Jacob), Ayyob (Job), Yoonus (Jonah), Haroon (Aaron), Sulaiman (Solomon), Dawud (David), Idrees (Enoch), Dhul Kifl (Isaiah), Lut (Lot), Zakariyya (Zachariah), Ilyaas (Elijah), Al-Yasa (Elisha), Yahya (John), 'Eesa (Jesus) and Muhammad (Peace be upon them all). And the knowledge of their numbers belongs only to Allah! We believe all of them were sent by Allah to certain set of people or community. Some were given Inspired Books like Torah (Musa), Zabur (Dawud) Injeel ('Eesa), Qur'an (Muhammad), etc.

We believe whatever had been narrated concerning the Prophets in our Books.
Anything outside these:

i. will be true if confirmed by the Qur'an or Sunnah,
ii. will be False if rejected by the Qur'an or Sunnah.
iii. may be doubtful and should be disregarded.

Muslims should not believe all the narrations about previous Prophets they hear/read except it is in line with the Qur'an and Sunnah.

Examples of these narrations includes:

1. Noah became drunk with wine. ( A Prophet can not drink wine or behave in this way. This happened after the flood)

2. David saw beautiful Bathsheba while bathing. He then brought her to himself and laid with her. He later killed her husband(Uriah) so that he can marry her. ( A Prophet can not commit adultery, murder or covet other's wife. These are grave sins. Prophet Dawud used to fast one day and eat the next.)

3. Abraham wanted to sacrifice Isaac. (In Islam, it was Ishmael his first son he wanted to sacrifice)

4. After the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah Lot's two daughters made their father drunk and then slept with him in turns over two consecutive nights! (Prophet Lut can not be involved in incestuous rape. This could not have happened as it would defeat the reason why they were saved from the destruction)

5. Crucifixion of Jesus and his claim of divinity or being God. (The Qur'an says Prophet "Eesa was not Cruxified. He was a man strengthened with the Spirit. Follow this link to see what Muslims believe about Jesus https://www.nairaland.com/4064473/what-muslims-belief-concerning-jesus

Prophets are honorable people who are to be role models for people sometimes even beyond their times. Hence they are protected from some grave mistakes as highlighted above.

To be continued...

Stop shaking a table made of glass; it might hurt you. Can you provide a complete quranic narrative of the events you highlighted?

engrchykae:
I was initially thinking the French were better devils until I realized the wickedness in France policy of assimilation which intended to make a hybrid of the African,they robbed the francophone African of his identity. They carried cultural imperialism alongside politico economic imperialism. Didn't you see the chadian woman who was saying on Facebook how francophone countries deposit 85 percent of their foreign reserve in the French stock exchange? Until we team up both the so called francophone and Anglo phone against these two evil and lazy France and Britain, nothing for Africa

I think the real twin evil the black world is facing is the Franco-British economic exploitation and the Arab cultural imperialism. They created the Africa's artifical borders at the Berlin conference of 1884 where the destiny of African was sealed. The French and the British specifically set African tribes up by lumping different tribes together and imposed the most trusted and loyal tribe to be used for internal colonization and exploitation, especially after the second world war. The second world war brought the collapse of colonialism but the British never want to let go so they put up a post-'independent' structure that will forever allow them complete control of their colonies, even after the so-called independent.

In Nigeria's case, they actually see the Fulanis as very loyal and dependable tool to be used for this evil 'project'. The Fulanis actually made the colonialists'indirect rule successful in the northern part of nigeria and hence 'tested and trusted' by the Brits to be used in the post-independent Nigeria. Since the Fulanis have no any economic resources to depend on for survival in modern economy, they are a perfect tool to be used to preserve a post-independent Nigeria, afterall the North has nothing to lose if grannted political leadership while the Brits, using their Fulani puppets, controls the natural resources and the large part of the proceeds taken back to London while the rest are used to maintain the already improverished Nigerians.

This is the exact situation Nigerian find itself through this evil force called Britain. Unless something drastic is done, the situtation will remain so in the next 1000 years.

engrchykae:
what about the lazy,wicked and coward French.
Or the war mongering and terror funding Americans

The Brits and the French are almost the same wicked souls but France still have a bit of humanity in them. The so-called America is just an extension of British, French, Poles, Italian and German people who come together to occupy the present-day US, after eliminating the natives. They are all the same people.

engrchykae:
you sure knew nothing about what is happening.
They do not just stay and wait for African corrupt leaders to bring their looted funds over to Europe,they rather ensure the enthronement of corrupt dictators all over Africa.
They support dictators to kill ethnic groups that are perceived as dangerous to the interests of the colonialists.
Ask yourself the reason the west are more interested in Nigeria election than their own.
It's simple,they need to install puppets.
They support coups to upstage erring dictators as in the case of ironsi,murtala,and 1985 coup that removed buhari because of buhari's strong man stance of standing up to the British so they encouraged babangida to topple the government and he accepted to implement the imf policies buhari rejected which devalued our pride,the naira which was very valuable then.
Then gej started talking tough and they supported buhari over gej.
Then buhari started talking tough, asking for the British to return our looted funds,then he travelled for the treatment of his ear infection and came back younger.

Mature and reasonable post. You said my mind 100%. Never wanted to post but I couldn't resist it. The British created Nigeria for eternal exploitation and any tribe (like the Igbos) that think they can disrupt the order will be wiped out. They created the cabal and the structure that enabled corruption so that over 50% of our commonwealth will still go back to Britain. They don't even consider blacks as full human and never care what's going on here as long as your money is flowing into their economy and as long as they have unrestricted access, using the Fulanis, to the oil and gas wealth in the Niger Delta. The Brits are the worst evil on earth.

The hustle continues. Aluta continu; victoria assertia. looking for the biggest fish in the Atlantic ocean.

May God bless her hustle.

FFK is an IPOB youth; he should be disregarded.

Babaheekmat:
Through their lectures, through their actions.


Before you defend them.. Call anyone of them to confirm.


I know fodil, sarumi, rasheedi, amubieya, alaro, isa akindele, yusuf comparative bible well well.. Everything said about him is true

I think you should let them be and never be a judge over your fellow man because God has not designated you for that.

And I shall not worship that which ye worship. Nor will ye worship that which I worship. Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion. Quran 109:1-6 ...

Babaheekmat:
If any of those allegations leveled against them is wrong Prove it

Did you visit all of them to confirm or do you base your judgment on hearsay?

Babaheekmat:
Here are the Names of some Misguided Scholars and acclaimed Students of Knowledge in Nigeria:*


O ALLAH !

Save the ummah of Muhammad (SAW) from the fitnah of those people mention.

*Beware of them*

1. Shaykh S. Najimudeen (LAGOS): Jaahil Murokkab, Democrat, Hizbiy, kaafir.
2. Dr. Foodil (OSOGBO): Murjia, Mumayyi'u, La walaa wala Baraa.
3. Dr. Sharaf Raaji (OGBOMOSHO). Hizbiy, Leader of Egbe Aje, Twister of Hadeeth, Madhhabiyyu, Murjia.
4. Dr. Luqman Idrees (Akure): Majhool Haal.
5. Ustaadh Suleiman Amubieya (IBADAN): Goowiy Agba, Olomi Ero, Hizbiy, Murjia Kaafir
6. Ustaadh Abdurrauf Ballo (LAGOS): Mummayyi, Murjia.
7. Ustaadh Aboo Naasir (OSOGBO). Murjia, Muqollid.
8. Ustaadh A. Jumu'ah (LAGOS): Murjia, Hizbiy Dajjaal.
9. Ustaadh 'Umar Paiko (NIGER): Majhool haal.
10. Ustaadh S. Hamzah (IBADAN): Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal.

11. Ustaadh Murtadho A. (LAGOS): Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal
12. Ustaadh U. Sa'ad (LAGOS): Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa
13. Ustaadh Tajudeen Uthmaan (LAGOS): Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa
14. Ustaadh F. Sarumi (ILORIN): Dajjaal, Kadhaab, Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa, Modernized Suufi, Kaafir
15.Ustadh Sharof (Ede) Al-Edewy: Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa
16. Ali Bawa (Ilorin) Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa
17. Ibrahim OSI (Ilorin) Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa
18. Ustaadh Aboo Fawzaan Ajikobi (ILORIN): Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa
19. Ustaadh 'Abdullaah Jabata (LAGOS): Mssn Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa
20. Jawhari (Ilorin) Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa

21. Ustaadh 'Abdulwaasi' Eleyinke (ISEYIN) Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa
22..... Abubakri (Shaaki) Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa
23. Ustaadh abdurRazaq. Ejigbo (ILN): Hizbiy, Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa, Who lie to marry a Sister then, with Just #2000, No Job No work,
24. Ustaadh abdulGaffaar. Oniwiridi (ILN): Sufi, Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa
25. Ustaadh I. Oganija (LAGOS): Hizbiy, Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa
26. Ustaadh Sa'eed Hamzah (IBADAN): Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa
27. Ustaadh Qomardeen Yunus (OGUN). Majhool Haal
28.Ustaadh M.S. Assuudaanee (Ibadan): Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa
29.Ustaadh Ajalasa (Oyo town): Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa
30.Ust. Abd. Rouf (Kisi): Izaala, Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa, Hizbiy

31.Ust. Qoseem Bakoja(Saki): Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa. Hizbiy
32.Ust. Sheriff Bn Surooqoh(Ijebu): Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa
33.Ust. Tanimola(Lag): Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa
34.Ust Aderogba(Saki): Hizbiy, Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa
35.Ust Daaud Dudu(ILN): Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa
36.Ust Ibroheem Dasuki(ILN): Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa
37.Ust. Lasoju(LASOJU) Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa
38.Ustadh Lanre Mahmuud: Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa
39.Ustadh Ismaheel Ibn Roji(Osi): Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa
40.Ustadh Kamaldeen Abu Yasir(Lag): Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa

41.Ustadh Aboo Abdul Witr Alase(Oyo): Mekondoro, Oloogun, Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa, suufi
42.Ust. Abd. Somad(Ogun): Majhool haal
43.Ustadh Daud Pupa(ILN): Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa
44.Imam Qomardeen(ILN): Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa
45.Aboo Fatimoh(Offa): Ruqiya Herbalist, Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa, Hizbiy,
46.Ustadh Naasirudeen Jabata(ILN): Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa. Hizbiy
47.Ustadh Abdl Akeem(Idiroko): Majhool Haal
48.Ustadh Rosheed Bn MustophaIbadan) Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa, Oniro Agbaye, Aparo, Hizbiy
49. Ustaadh Abuu 'Abdillaah Omolola (Muali) (IBADAN) - Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa
50. Ustaadh 'Abdullaah Okanlawon (SHAKI) - Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa

51. Ustaadh Ali Sa'eed - Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa.
52. Eedris omotutu (Ilorin) Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa, sufi
53. Yusuph Adepoju , Comparative, Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa
54. Jamiu Adegunwa (Lagos) Comparative, Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa, He accepted the eating of Dog, Prophet Eesa won't come again
55. Baba Adama Baba agbako (Ilorin) Suufi, Ashariyyu
56. Habeeb mudilu omotutu (Ilorin) Suufi, Ashariyyu
57. Jamiu Bulala (offa) Suufi, dajjaal
58. Buhari omomusa (Ilorin), Sufi Dajjaal
59 Suliman onikijpa (Ilorin) Suufi Dajjaal
60. Abdul Rozaq Abdul majeed Alaro (Ilorin) Democrats, Lawyer, Hizbiy Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa

61. Dhikrullahi shafi (Lagos) TMC, Hizbiy, Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa
62. Abu Roheemah (Ibadan) Murjia Kaafir Dajjaal, La walaa wala Baraa





All of them are kuffaar no al walau wal barau, twisting the Qur'an verse, twisting hadith ,going against sunni scholars, lying on sheikh jabata.


Both of them mixing with sects such as mssn and host of sects, no reaction with mufasiqoh people, no kafir except some part of shiah and physical mushrik that is taking ipese on orita meta all other that kneeling, doing demokufr, forming a sect and some part like suffi are Muslim when prophet had already said kulluha fin naar illa waahidah.
Beware of them.


*TO BE UPDATED, IN-SHAAA-ALLAAH.*

Blackmail! Who made you the judge over them?

Respect the ancestors or you join them very quickly.

Rashduct4luv:
You started with "Sharaap bro". That's an insult. Let me be brainwashed. Is it your brain that is washed? Stop trying to determine how we live our life.

My saying 'Sharaap bro' was an unfortunate response to you earlier insults. I regretted it but I am not Jesus christ. And please don't let your brain be washed with excessive Islamic junks.

Rashduct4luv:
It is true i have minimal scholarship in Islamic theology but i still have the ability to compare and contrast the words of our scholars.

For Example, on the case of Wudhu (Ablution):

The scholars are unanimously agreed that what is obligatory in wudoo’ is to wash each part once, although washing each part two or three times is Sunnah. That is because of the report narrated by al-Bukhaari (157) from Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) who said: The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did wudoo’ washing each part once.

Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The Muslims are unanimously agreed that what is obligatory is to wash each part once, and that washing each part three times is Sunnah. There are saheeh ahaadeeth which mention washing each part once, and each part three times, and washing some parts three times, some two times and some once. The scholars said: the difference indicates that all of these are permissible, and that washing each part three times is most perfect and washing each part once is sufficient. This is how the variations in the ahaadeeth are to be interpreted. End quote.

Al-Shawkaani (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The saheeh ahaadeeth speak of washing each part once, twice or three times, or washing some parts three times and some twice. The differences indicate that all of these are permissible, and that washing three times is most perfect and washing once is sufficient. End quote from Nayl al-Awtaar, 1/188.

Is there anything contrary to what i said before?

Ok, so there is no uniformity in the number of times one can 'wash' doing ablution. I dont want to argue much about this because I have already read it somewhere where scholars condemned 2 of the hadiths with respect to doing ablution.

Rashduct4luv:
If Shia pray three times daily, that one doesn't concern me. You may direct the question to them. Check the Bukhari you are using and see how many times the Prophet prayed. The Prophet commanded us "pray as you have seen me praying" in Sahih Bukhari.

I dont use Bukhari; I only reference him when the need arises. Do you mean that 3times shia daily prayer is still acceptable to allah?

Rashduct4luv:
As for the Bible interpretations i give you, the explanations of the Bible verses exist online like Barnes notes, Benson's commentary, Clarke's , Ellicott's, etc.

OK.

Newnas:
Oh, this is what you're calling a contradiction? Firstly, you're ignorant of the meaning of "contradiction" in English.

According to my dictionary, a contradiction is:

For example if someone asks me: "what are you doing?" I'll reply that I'm typing on my phone.

If another person asks me the same question, I'll say "I'm sitting"

You called me 'ignorant' but you are using an example to explain a simple and common english word. I forgive you because you are a muslim.

Newnas:
To an ignorant person like you, who doesn't understand the meaning of contradiction, my two answers are contradictory. But to a wise person, there's no contradiction in my two answers.

Why? Because, my two answers can be reconciled. I'm sitting and typing on my phone.

When someone has nothing to say he turns to insults and threat, a hallmark of Islamic psychology where the rule of the mob applies.

Newnas:
Of you learnt further maths in school you must have been taught independent and mutually exclusive events.

I did this almost 15 years ago and I dont think your mathemarical logic is applicable here. The events are indepedent and not mutually exclusive and it is ony 1 possible outcome that is true.

Newnas:
Now that I've enlightened you on the meaning of contradiction and you're now aware of your reckless side of vocabulary, let's show you that the Hadith you quoted are not contradictory.

You only talk nonsense; you never explain anything meaniful or logical.

Newnas:
Imam Bukhaaree himself explained at the beginning of the chapter:

Meaning: So, those hadiths are not in anyway contradictory, at all. Each one is establishing a different point to explain the above statement of Imam Bukhaaree.

What's the benefit of the above? It means that if a person forgets to wash a part the second or third time, then his ablution is valid because it's only the first washing that is obligatory. However, if he forgets to wash it once, i.e. he omits that part, then his ablution isn't valid.

How do you know if the summary was by Imam Bukhari? Is Imam Bukhari one of the sahabas?

Newnas:
You see, ideally we shouldn't be responding to you. Your arguments are baseless and weaker than powder in the wind. But there's too much ignorance these days so folks like you say crap and think they're talking.

Your childish tantrum wont deter me from making an objective points on Islam.

Newnas:
Innaa lillaahi wa innaa ilayhi raaji'oon

You are free to return to allah anytime you like but as for me, I have no business with allah. My obeisance is to the true God and not an obscure arab deity.

Rashduct4luv:
You are uncouth and ill-bred!

You have, at many times, insulted me but I have tried not to insult you back. I only criticise Islam and mohammed objectivley using the quran and the hadith and I am very sure you are not rerlated to mohammed in any way except being brainwashed to believe in him.

Rashduct4luv:
You quoted hadith and i explained it but because it didn't go your way then you explode.

You ex[lanation is filled with dishonesty; muslim scholars have tried to rationalised that 3 hadith I provided by giving a conflicting interpretation to it. Why do you want me to accept your explanation since you have zero scholarship in Islamic theology.

Rashduct4luv:
I did one-one ablution before i left for work in the morning. And i did 3-3 ablution before prayer and at other times i do 2-2 ablution. All is Sunnah but 3-3 is most common.

The shia pray 3times in a day while the sunnis pray 5times. Now tell, who between them is following the sunnah? You asked for fabrications in the hadith and I showed you inconsistencies and the only thing you tried to is to rationalize the differences but meanwhile you will also reject that intepretation if a chriustian wanted to ratioanalise an inconsistency in their books.

Rashduct4luv:
You can do it 50-times if you see that in Sahih Bukhari. Look for your fabrication in your frontal lobe.

OK.

Demmzy15:
^^^True2god, you can see why I say you're super ignorant?

I have no time for you guys yet; I am very busy trying to make some cash.

Rashduct4luv:
So dumb! See how dumb you are. Ablution can be 1, 2 or 3! None is fabricated except your frontal lobe. Lazy Student. Search more. Islam is not like Christianity where one church can do whatever the pastors says.

Sharap bro! This is pure contradiction and fabrication in your hadith. One of the hadith said your prophet washed only 1 time, another said 2 and another said 3. So there is no more standard in Islam on how to do ablution and the number of times in must be done? I can as well do it 50times.

Rashduct4luv:
Stop the unnecessary argument. There are companions that are women (Sahabiyah). 'Aaisha is a wife as well as others wives are better referred to as Mothers of the believers.

The same 'mother of believers' who was responsible for the death of the household of your prophet. Motigbo Sir!