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Newnas:
All those your flimsy doubts are for gullible folks like you. Don't say it when erudite folks are around.

Mr Erudite, I have answered the question but I am yet to see your feedback. Hope you are back from friday prayer.

Rashduct4luv:
You have an extreme affinity for falsehood and foolish jokes.

You have to apologize for lying against me bro.

Rashduct4luv:
Can you quote a fabricated hadith from Sahih Bukhari? If you can't find any then may God punish you for the lies on the Imam. You just keep behaving like a dingbat!

Cool down bro, I am not a lazy student. See the hadith below and confirm which is true and which is fabricated.

DennisEche:
YOUR INTELLIGENCE IS TOO MUCH FOR THEM

Thanks bro, we will keep educating our Muslim brothers.

Rashduct4luv:
Can you quote a fabricated hadith from Sahih Bukhari? If you can't find any then may God punish you for the lies on the Imam. You just keep behaving like a dingbat!

Calm down bro. Everyday 'nobe' fight.

Rashduct4luv:
The mistaken concept of "freedom" that arose as a result of being fed on the resentment and revolution against the corrupt social system that ruled European society, resulted in the emergence of the concept of "personal freedom" which is raised by those who call for women's liberation in Islamic countries. They believe freedom to be a release from every kind of restriction, becoming free from every regulation and getting rid of any type of supervision -- even if it springs from the innate sound nature of the person and his own conscience. The advocates of women's liberation would happily demolish all moral curbs and even the conscience if necessary.

Quest for freedom is inate in human nature and any system/culture that stands to remove such often leads to tyranny, and if against women becomes an institutionalized misogyny. In as much I don't subscribe to the unrestricted freedom, as we almost have in the west (for women), the level of misogyny in the Arab and Islamic world is criminally high. An average Arab women will chose to live in the west than in the muslim world; at least in the west there is 'right to chose'.

Rashduct4luv:
In this way, nothing stands in the face of one’s enjoyment of life or spoils the ecstasy of his temporary enjoyment. This means that everyone should be left to do whatever they wish without any restrictions, regulations or supervision. They advocates of "freedom" strive hard so that society acknowledges this right and the government protects it. This is their concept of "freedom".

There is no any society that provide unrestricted freedom. There is law and order and there are consequnces for actions. Laws are made to, in a way, restrict freedom. The issue here is that women, in the west, are granted more right (or freedom) day by day while muslim women are not. As I said earlier, there are more advantages in 'freedom' than 'institutionalized misogyny' against women. Remember what happened in Iran recently, an Iranian woman committed suicide because her freedom was denied and she was arrested for watching a football match. The resulting international backlash led to Iran changed the policy and women, this month ,were allowed to enter a stadium and watch a football match.

Rashduct4luv:
The West believes that there should be no religion to regulate the lives of people and restrict their excesses; no morals to refine their behavior, awaken the feelings and stir the spirit of chivalry and sense of honor; no ideals or virtues to be a criterion for knowing the difference between good or bad deeds; and no modesty to prevent people from committing excesses or what is openly evil. All these matters should no longer exist because they are considered history. Everything that belongs to the past is considered "an obstacle in the way of progress" and should be demolished.

The multicultural west wants to accomodate all culture hence do not want to based their laws on religion. This policy is what leads to the growth of Islam, in the west, for the last 20 years. If the Judeo-christian principles is to be enforced, as was done before, Islam will not have a space in the west. I will however agree with you that this 'inclusiveness' has also led to moral decadance in the western world, because there seem to be a thin line between 'freedom' and 'responsibility'. Excessive freedom can make one irressponsible and reckless, this is where moderation, and not total restriction, needs to be placed on freedom.

Rashduct4luv:
This was the slogan of those who advocate freedom in the West and the East. Even if the latter could not explicitly say this, their concept of freedom reveals this; its characteristics are diffused from their slogans under the name of freedom. If the current application of freedom in Islamic countries continues in this way, it would definitely lead to the same social and moral chaos that has engulfed the West.

I agree with you here but your argument would have made more sense if the religious card is not played. However this should not be the basis for oppression of women which is prevalanet in most muslim countries. As I said earlier, freedom is good but uncontrolled freedom is dangerous to any society. In Saudi arabia women are not allowed to drive (oppression) because they (the saudis) believed that giving women right to drive is a kind of freedom which can affect the social interraction between men and women in the society.

Rashduct4luv:
Since the liberation of women is the chief measure and an important element in the overall concept of freedom according to these people, they have directed most of their attention to them and worked on adapting women to the role that they wanted her to play. They encouraged her to leave her home in the name of freedom and liberation. They drove her to various fields of work that contradict her nature. Consequently, they destroyed her femininity, the family and home in the name of "freedom" and "liberation".

The writter here still have the mindset that women are meant to be second class in any society. Modern societies are evolving hence roles are shifting which make women more economically viable in the society. We now have female engineers, doctors, architects and even combatants, and of course this shift in role is good for a modern technoogy-driven society. These are the things muslim countries are afraid of and one of the reason they are lacking behind in human capital index.

Rashduct4luv:
They urged and coerced her to forsake her Hijab (Islamic covering) and display her beauty to quench their sexual desires in the name of "freedom" and "liberation". They took her from her protector and maintainer, her husband, by inciting her to rebel against his right of being in charge so that it becomes easy for them to deceive her and fulfill their goals.

This is why muslim countries are deemed very oppresive against women because they do not try to create a balance between morality and human right. A woman on a hijab can be a prostitute while a woman on Jeans and Polo shirt can be modest, I have seen many instances like that. In Iran and saudi arabia, many women have been killed while thousands are jailed for failing to wear the hijab and the region with the highets rate of unreported domestic violence is the muslim world. I am sorry to say this, going by this statementm, protector and maintainer, it is clear that women are regarded as property of men in the muslim world.

Rashduct4luv:
They let her—rather forced her to— mix with non-Mahram (marriageable) men and be in seclusion with them. Consequently, they destroyed her chastity, dignity and modesty in the name of "freedom" and "liberation". They took everything from her in the name of freedom and only gave her very little in return.

This is rather emotionally blackmailing the west than saying the fact. The freedom the west provides makes individual responsible for his/her action and punishable if it goes against the law. Only an immature mind will blame a system for all his problems and failures. If one choses to do drugs or prostitution, the government are not to blame but the individual. Muslims should learn to accept responsibility for their mistakes and weaknesses instead of blaming the system or external forces.

Rashduct4luv:
Is this real freedom? Does freedom mean giving one’s self full rein without any restrictions? Does freedom mean rebelling against religion, ideals and virtues? Does life, in this concept, become a sublime human life that conforms to the status accorded to man on earth by Allah The Almighty, which is inhabiting the earth and being a successor to authority on it?

Learn from the Japanese and see how they organize their perseonal lives and society. Japan offers freedom to her citizens and yet one of the most pious, honest and organized society of earth. Islamic culture lives in fear and laws hence all actions are viewed with a negative lense especially if they are not from an arabian or islamic culture.

Rashduct4luv:
Freedom in the correct sense is being free of these heinous concepts. A sublime human life does not accept this concept. Rather, true freedom is to be free from everything that the advocates of debauchery erroneously tout as "freedom".

Your definition of freedom is subjective and defined with respect to your religion. Freedom also means a woman should marry who she loves and not who the father likes, which is very common in a conservative muslim country.

Lukgaf:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/Scorpion_Photograph_By_Shantanu_Kuveskar.jpg

...and the Prophet said:

May the curse of Allah be upon the scorpion ,it doesn't leave either the praying person or otherwise, then he called for water and salt,and he rubs it [on the affected place], while reading

Qul yaa ayuhal kaafiruun,
Qul 'aundhu bi Rabbil Falaq and
Qul 'aundhu bi Rabbin Naas

N.B: In the report of 'AbduLlahi bn Mas'uud, Qul yaa ayuhal Kaafiruun was not mentioned.

As Saheehah vol.2 p.89 no.548

Translated by:Abuu Sahl Al Atharee



Maa Sha Allah, what a beautiful religion!

Culled from Prophetic Medicine WhatsApp Group

Please get a first AID and go see doctor ASAP if you experince a scorpion attack.

Rashduct4luv:
You are simply a clown. We don't toy with our religion this way.

You can call this a weak hadith (to me it is a strong hadith), the same way sahih Bukhari has weak and fabricated hadith as well.

sulasa07:
Story story,when Nigerians travel to USA or India or China,who is the benefitting from them, Nigeria or the country they are

Unrelated argument.

sulasa07:
Who cares where they are from?Is it not UAE that is paying them or are they working for free.All the techs are recognised as that of UAE and not theire host countries.
My question is that is UAE a Muslim country or not

If a very rich Fulani man can afford to buy Lamborghini and afford Julius Berger to build him a mansion, that does not mean that the Fulani man has suddenly become advanced automobile engineer or a good architect. Money can buy you many good things of life but won't automatically make you a tectonically developed man. UAE is also a case of a Fulani man who can afford to buy technology products from the kafir.

sulasa07:
Did you know the one of country the world with most tech is UAE,is it a Christian country

95% of engineers working and building the UAE are non-muslims.

sulasa07:
So you know not all Arabs are Muslim.Without Muslims,I dont know if we will still be using the Roman Numerals that is long and useless

It is called Arabic numerals and not Islamic numerals. Before Islam the Arabs were already good in art, mathematics and science, just like the old Roman empire. The Japanese are great in technology, not because they are Shintos, because they worked hard as a people. It is a sign of failure and inferiority complex for Muslims to use the term 'Muslim scientists', no other religion do that. If truly we have 'Muslim scientist', we will we cars, phones, TVs, planes, etc that are made in Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Oman, Kuwait, etc but they don't produce nothing.

sulasa07:
Google is there for you,now that they are Muslim,you cannot call them Muslim Scientists but you call them Arab,you are funny

Not all Arabs are Muslims and not all Muslims are Arabs. We have Arabs who are Christians and atheist and some Arabs who follow Judaism, although most Arabs are Muslims. As a matter of fact the Quran call the Christians and the Jews (who are also Arabs) 'the people of the book'. Why are they called 'the people of the book'? This is because they are known to be very educated among the illiterate Arabs. Most of what Muhammed learnt was from 'the people of the book'.

sulasa07:
Google is there for you,now that they are Muslim,you cannot call them Muslim Scientists but you call them Arab,you are funny

I am telling you that nothing like a Christian or a Muslim scientist. Science has no religion; every race and tribe have their own scientists and philosophers. The only people that use the mantra 'Muslim scientists' are Muslims because Muslims, especially in this modern age and time, are not good in science and technology. Look around and you will see that none of the gadgets, electronics or cloths are made by any Muslim country. Even your bicycle, fan, generator, etc are ALL made by non-muslims. Nothing like Muslim scientist bro, stop making yourself feel good with an nonexisting 'Muslim scientists'.

Rashduct4luv:
Get your facts write and stop using excreta as stew to eat rice! The definition of a Sahabah/ companion is someone who met Muhammad, believed in him and died as a Muslim.
His wife is not one of his companions! You made a mistake.

Which of the criteria did Aisha not meet? Aisha met Mohammed (later became his wife), believed in him as Allah's messenger and also died as a Muslim. If you say women cannot be sahaba, well I get your point. You will agree with me that all the people that were quoted in the hadith (ibn masood, Abu hurraira, Omar ibn kathab, uthman ibn affan, zaid ibn thabit, Aisha, etc) are all his companions. There is no way a narration from a non-campanion can be allowed to get into an authentic hadith. So if Aisha is not one of rasool's companions, why was her testimony acceptable in all the hadith?

sulasa07:
Its both, Science keeps changing from time to time.They've used science to lock people's brain and the early scientists/mathematicians were Muslim

How do you mean by 'science keep changing from time to time'? Bro, your prophet goofed big time, accept this as a fact and move on.

Nothing like Muslim, Christian or Hindu mathematicians. What we have are Arab, Jewish, European, Indian, Chinese or Japanese scientist or mathematicians. Science has no religion.

Demmzy15:
Did you read what I wrote? Why are you jumpy? I said White Ethnic British Muslims stand at around 320,000 while Black British Muslims is 370,000. The majority are Asians.



You people are very good are pouring out statistics anyhow, just as how y'all were beating your empty chests that there were no Igbo Muslims. Once the facts were glaring and undeniable, you resorted to say they converted for money and weren't genuine. Don't worry, you'll soon see how we'll take over your lands Sweden is projected to have 30% Muslims by 2050

Read this article about German converts

https://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/muslim-converts-in-germany-angst-ridden-germans-look-for-answers-and-find-them-in-the-koran-a-460364.html

As I told you, the Jizyah you're running from, you'll eventually pay it after you've been subdued and humbled

I am not saying that there are no Muslim converts who are British but the phrase 'ethnic British Muslim' is an Islamic propaganda English because Islam is NEVER a traditional religion to any ethnic German or British. What I expected you to say is 'British or German converts' to Islam. Use of English, at times, is very important when making a truth statement. As at 30-40 years ago British who claim to be Muslims are less than 1000 people and it is surprising when Muslims start using the term 'ethnic British Muslims' as is Islam is NEVER alien to British culture. And as I said earlier, British natives who are Muslims are less than 0.5% of the general population and are very very insignificant. I know that Islam love numbers and population for a further demographic and political take-over which is 99.9% impossible in western Europe.

As for Igbo Muslims, I never say they never existed just as I can never say there are no Saudi Christians who are natives but the issue is that most of the Igbo Muslims you know are through google.

As per your jizya, it is easier for MOPOL and LASTMA to collect bribe from me than the ummah to charge me jizya.

sulasa07:
Fellow Muslims still doesn't apply to all Muslims

That fact still remains that all the rightly guided khalifa, except Abu Bakr, were killed by Muslims and not the Jews or the Christians.

sulasa07:
Check the way you wrote your sentence,I didn't say they did not fight for position but it did not start from the number one caliph,the fight escalated from during Ali

I said the killing was from the 2nd to the 5th khalifa. Abu Bakr, the 1st rightly guided khalifa, was not murdered while he was in power. Omar ibn kathab, Uthman Ibn affan, Ali Mutalib were all murdered by fellow muslims while they were the khalifa.

Demmzy15:
According to Berkeley Center for Religion, it's 63.2% that are of Turkish descent. There are thousands of ethnic German Muslims, problem for you guys is that Christianity is going down everyday. Look at the Britain, can you imagine that ethnic White British Muslims are around 320,000 while British Blacks are 370,000. This should give you serious concern mate

Why will it give me a concern after the old British empire took over Australia, New Zealand, Fiji Island, Faulkland Island, part of Canada and the US, etc and turn them to their private estate? It is normal for the blacks and the Pakistanis to also take over the UK.

Bros, there are no thousands of ethnic German Muslims. They have a very insignifant converts, especially among the native German women married to the Turkish muslims. German natives who claim Islam is less than 1% bro. An average native German hate Islam.

sulasa07:
You've started confusing yourself,Aisha became Khalifa,for your house?There were 4 rightly guided Khalifas and Prophet Muhammad had predicted how they would assigned b4 his death

I never said Aisha became a khalifa; i said she is one of the sahabas and the wife of your prophet. You guys are always looking for faults in order to avoid the major issue.

Rashduct4luv:
What nonsense are you typing?Aisha bint Abee Bakr is the wife of the Prophet and not a Sahabah. Is the Prophet's wife not among his family/household? Correct yourself!

I cant get you bro. Are you saying that mohammed's wife can never be called a sahaba because she is a woman and a wife? What about the other guys I mentioned, why pick only 1 to make issue out of it without addressing the major issue?

sulasa07:
With the way you are saying Sahabas,it's like you are listing all of them as if no one among the Sahabas supported Ali and his family.

I am not talking about the unknown sahabas but the influential ones some of who later became the 'rightly guided' khalifas. They are Aisha bint Abu Bakr, Omar ibn kathab, Uthman Ibn Affan, etc. All these guys were sahabas who later become sworn enemies of the household of your prophet. If they can become enemies to mohammed's household, what does that tell you of their loyalty to your prophet? That means that, while mohammed was alive, they were not actually true sahabas but power hungry guys who couldn't even wait for mohammed to die before they unleash terror on his family. Unfortunately the 2nd to the 5th rightly guided khalifa killed each other to get into power.

sulasa07:
1400yrs,are you sure or you are just exaggerating

The apostasy law had been in force since the time of rasool; it is not a new development.

sulasa07:
How did the Sahabas betray him?

The sahabas betrayed mohammed by ganging up to fight his son-in-law, Ali Mutalib, and his daughter (Fatimah bint mohammed). This crisis also led to the death of mohammed's grandchildren, Hassan and Hussein.

Demmzy15:
There are German Muslims and they're in their thousands increasing everyday. This wasn't possible 100-200 years ago when Germany was the leader of Protestantism

88% of German Muslims are of Turkish origin but are German citizens. An average German natives, the Bavarians, don't have any business with Islam.

sulasa07:
Muhammad never claimed Sunni or Shia neither did the Sahabas or Tabiuns

Yes, but the sahabas betrayed him which led to the split.

sulasa07:
Very soon,those Apostasy law will be changed.Only Qur'an can't be changed.

When exactly? This law had been in force for over 1400 years.

sulasa07:
Maybe you've forgotten these schools classified themselves as Sunni,but thankfully I'm a Muslim as said by the Qur'an:Die not unless as a Muslim.

No, Jafari school are shia. The remaining 4 school of thought are sunni. I am already a Muslim but I dont believe in mohammed.

sulasa07:
As much as I know,no one asked you to believe in the Qur'an and Hadith,since you do not believe it,why are you questioning me?

People always tell me to believe in the quran and the hadith so that I can go to heaven. So I have to question what I see in your quran and your hadith for sake of clarity.

Rashduct4luv:
This shows you never read the previous comment i wrote . You just said you didn't understand it.

I dont it is too hard for you to show me where you good that biblical quote so that I can also check for myself.

sulasa07:
When did it become 5,they put forth their Apostasy law as treason,so they all follow it.It doesn't mean they know more than ALLAH himself,the same Muslim that stopped being a Muslim today could become a Muslim in the future again and Had the Prophet truly killed all non-muslims,then I'm wondering who would have become Muslims today.

The five schools of Islamic jurisprudence are:
Hanafi,
Hanbali,
Ja'fari,
Maliki,
Shafi'i.

All these 5 schools agreed that the penalty for apostasy is death. You can't be a Muslim if you don't belong to one of these schools of thought.