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Empiree:
shaking my head. This is Quran, a REVELATION for God's sake not Hadith. Hadith is where Arab culture crept in. Since Quran is UNIVERSAL for ALL MANKIND AND JINN, Commands therein are for all people who embrace it regardless of tribe, race, color, ethnicity, nationality. Some cultures or traditions may bend the rules to fit their culture. Nothing wrong with this because Islam recognizes cultures as long as it doesn't stand in conflict to it. This is not supremacists but religious fact. Talking about supremacists, didn't your CHRISTIAN colonial masters force their ways on Africans?. Now they wanted to try it again but were busted. Watch this few minutes British attempt to invade Africa again

You are a very funny guy that can only hoodwink ignorant people and not me.I have studied Islam and you can't deceive me bro. Quran is universal among the Arabs and the Pakistanis (enslaved and conqured Hindus). 80% of humanity knows nothing about the quran and do not believe in it. Over 50% of muslims have not read and studied (not reciting it like a nursery rythm) the quran by themselves. Over 81% of muslims worldwide do not understand Arabic, the official language of Islam, and most have not even seen the hadith and the seerah with their eyes. And back to your main point, the quran cannot make a single logical sense without the hadith. One need the hadith to make sense of a supposedly clear word of Allah. Who compiled the hadith, especially sahih Bhukari? It was compiled by a man from Uzbekistan 250 years after the death of mohammed. The compiler of the hadith never met mohammed, or any of his companions,but was going from place to place to gather rumours and gossips which he compiled as a book of authority in sunni Islam. It is this same rumours and gossips that muslims used in interpreting the quran, the 'divine' words of Allah. Imam Bhukari collected about 600,000 hadith before he died but the so-called 'scholar' filtered it into about 7000 hadith narrations, that is over 92% of the entire hadith of Bhukari was deemed as complete falsehood. Can't you see that Islam is a big joke?

Empiree:
No way. Not again. This is 21st century not stone age. I remembered growing up in primary school. They would distribute that little terrorist manual called new testament Bible in schools. They tried their efforts to no avail. They would make us sing those silly Christian terrorist hymns every morning assembly. They would tell us at lunchtime to pray to muhammad and Allah for food. After praying for 5-10 mins and no food, they would tell us to close our eyes and pray in Jesus name and said to open our eyes.

By the time we opened our eyes, these crazy people already put plates of food on our desks. After we opened our eyes, they said Jesus answered our prayers but Muhammad and Allah don't. This fraud. This fraud is what gave birth to modern CHRISTIAN stupidity in churches today by faking miracles. Our eyes are open now. All these frauds they committed against us Muslims were painful but had little to no effect on many of us. Guess who funded this madness?. The so called Abrahamic faith aka Judeo/Christian from international community. They failed woefully with all their devilish plans.





Do I need to teach you this all over again?. That Islam was the first and only religion that came with the first creation, Adam?. Therefore, these religions you mentioned were fabricated to corrupt message (Islam) sent to them. The least you could have said was that Quran came after these religions.

You are a highly brainwashed dude to think that Islam is the first religion to be practiced by man. You cannot lift existing stories from the Jews, christians and Zoroastrian scriptures and claim yours is the truth. The Zoroastrian have been praying 5 times in a day (and the also believe in the concept of one God), thousands of years before mohammed and Islam came into the picture, where did you think mohammed got this idea from? The issue is that you don't want to do an independent research on your religion hence you still hold unto the lies being told you by your scholars. There is no excuse for ignorance in this modern age and time unless you willfully wanna dwell in ignorance. You made a claim that non-muslims want to hijack Islam, how? Can you, using the quran, give us the genealogy of mohammed right from the time of Abraham? I am always shocked whenever you claim a claim without anything to back it up except what your so-called 'scholar' tell you.

Empiree:
Aponle ni tapa... Hausa ni Hausa nje we dey respect you for saying "Abrahamic faith". There is no such thing. If you say there was such a thing called "Abrahamic faith", abeg, which of the two religions did Abraham practice?. Don't tell me both religions because that would be hypocrisy but Abraham was not hypocrite. His religion was Hanif (pure Islamic monotheism). Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian but a true muslim.

The nonsense called Abrahamic faith was nothing but bogus attempt to hijack Islam. As for other nonsense you talked about on immigration, I am glad you said Western nations are CHRISTIAN Nations which make them guilty of slavery following their Bible. Maybe you should ask yourself why they "migrated" to Africa in the first place to steal their resources?. History tells us that 30% of Africans on slave ship were muslims and forced to convert to CHRISTIANITY.

Maybe you need educational course on forced conversions of muslims.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBQelGvwkhE

After CHRISTIAN West stole their resources and ran off, they built their nations on stolen Muslim goods and they are still doing it in the middle East and Africa in 21st century. These CHRISTIAN terrorist Nations can't stand on their own the moment Africa and middle East countries get their act together. They would collapse like remote demolition. They always hide behind 'terrorism'. This is camouflage. This is what France did under Nicolas Sarkozy by sending military to secure his country interest in Mali few years ago yet, it is telling the world that the locals who were trying to take control of their land are terrorists.

It is clear that Judeo CHRISTIAN world is a terrorist ideology that is driving mankind to destruction. Abeg, me no get time for argument or debate. It is Ramadan

On the issue of muslim hijra into the land of the kafir, accept the fact and move on. Islamic countries are shitholes no sane mind would like to settle. With the exception of Dubia (for vacation only) no any sane mind would like to relocate to any Islamic shithole with no organized economy and government system. Your attempt to divert the current issue by bringing up slavery, which Islam started against the blacks even during the time of mohammed, will not help your weak argument. In the thread 'ISLAM AND RACISM' you deliberatley avoided it because it opened and exposed Islamic oppression and slavery against the non-muslims and paved the way for the white European christians to start their own transatlantic slave trade.

Open you mind to current reality bro.

lanrexlan:
Then many Christians on NL are Pyschopaths!! Their "happiness" at their deaths of selfless muslims speaks volume.
Do more in what sense?! Force pristine Islam into people's heads?! Many notable scholars of Islam speak out against terrorism almost every time and when there's a strike by these idiots, they condemn them outrightly. Then how will the Muslim world do more in addressing terrorism?!

At last paragraph, please who's feeding you with that statistics?!

When you put into perspective religion-related violence and killings in the muslim world, you do not need any data science to tell you that Islam is the most violent creed in the whole world. Even here in Nigeria, how many times have you heard of religious violence and killings in the south compared to the core north?

Empiree:
Whatever you say, pal. For as long as hijab made its way to Quran, it becomes part of the religion whether it is wajib, fard or mustahab it doesnt matter. What you mentioned about Japanese even Hindus, Sikh etc means they retained that part of religion of Abraham(as). Since Islam has always been religion of God from day 1 mean hijab was always worn prior to advent of nabi Muhammad(SAW).

Interestingly, 'mother of your god' had hers on. So modern christianity deviated from modest ways of dressing. They are the most indecent people on earth today bcus even traditional people across the globe still honor hijab. They can call it different names it doesn't matter. The only two forms of christianity that i respect are orthodox christianity and Amish in the sense of mode of dressing. But this modern christianity(which is majority, which you and many nigerian christians belong) is driving mankind to their total destruction. BUt you are all still guilty of shirk whether protestant, orthodox, Mennonites, catholic etc.

It is like anything that conform to Islamic culture and religion automatically retain 'part of religion of Abraham'. Meaning that Islam is, to Muslims, a standard for all other cultures and religion. This is a supremacist mindset which fuel extremist views and often leads to terror.

The Japanese' Shintos, the Chinese Buddhist and the Indian Hindus have nothing to do with the Abrahamic faith and their religion has been in force thousands of years before Islam, Judaism and Christianity. How can these religions retain the religions of Abraham when they existing long before the Abrahamic religions?

The Abrahamic faith is the exclusive belief and views of the Judaeo-christian world; the Muslims just attached themselves to 'The Abrahamic faith' for legitimacy in the west. You said the christian world is the most indecent part of the world but you have forgotten that the Muslim world is the most bloodletting, intolerant and oppressive part of the world. The christian world, according to Muslims, is bad but Muslims are hustling to relocate to the so-called christian world in their millions and over 60 million Muslim immigrants are in western Europe now and more are still coming. The US, being geographically lucky, has fewer Muslims bcause of the distance from the Arab/Muslim world and yet Muslims want the US to open, and relax their immigration policy, their border for easy entry. If the Muslim world is so good, Muslims wont be rushing to relocate to the society they so much despise. What an irony!

Khaleell001:
May Allāh's curse be upon every liar until they repent.

Have you read your rasool Allah by Ibn Ishaq? This story was recorded in pages 512 to 514. You can also find this in sahih Bukahri 1:8:367 on safiyya.

Empiree:
no. You are now panelbeating your statement because I mentioned Bible. I am not a fool. Na today I know you?

Edited for peace:

Hijab is an Arab word which also confirm the the people and race from which the fashion emanates. The Japanese women, till date, still put on their traditional dress called Kimono which covers women from head to tow (no face covering though) and they never make a noise about it or try to forcefully culturally export it to other part of the world as an instruction from their Shinto God.

Every race, from time immemorial, have a peculiar dress pattern that appeal to their environment and culture. Arabian land is sandy and windy and nature makes it compulsory for their men and women to cover their hair so that winds don't carry sands into their hair and at times eyes. And this has always been the practice hundreds of years before Islam; it is part of Arabian culture among the pagans, Jews and Christian women in the Arabia.

The issue we now have is the appropriation of Arabic culture into Islamic culture which makes it look as if hijab is an Islamic dressing. Go and study the origin of the 'hijab fashion'. The problem the modern world has with hijab is its use for identity politics among the Muslim ummah all over the world. This identity politics, using the hijab, was not available as at 10years ago; it is a new trend which seems to have been agreed upon my modern Muslim. Hence all over the world it is always the official dress codes against the Islamic hijab. Here in Nigeria, it is the school uniform against the Islamic hijab. In France and Germany, it is the Islamic hijab against the schools and the larger society.

The modern hijab has nothing to do with religion but identity politics for easy identification of Muslims women from the kafir women. In Iran and Saudi Arabia many women are now in jail for failing to put on their hijab. Hijab in these countries are not by choice but by force.

Empiree:
I need not read further. Abeg, if they are medieval products, i wonder what Bible is.

You are very delusional. This is 'Mary' drawn by christians. Keep living in denial. You need to decide which side you on. Those who drew rhe picture understood definition of Hijab. Tell us now, Mr true2god false2god that you dont believe in mother of your god. This way we know where you stand.

Or if Mary was here today he would dress in bikini or skirt to church?. smh..you watch 'God' and sinning right before him. Fantastic

The Torah and the Injil are also products of medieval Jewish society. If I say medieval, I don't mean to say the books are bad because it seems you have already conditioned your mind to stereotype anything the word 'medivial' is attached to, and you see it as an insult to use the words 'medieval' and 'quran' in the same sentence. I believe you are mature and equally have a good grasp of what I mean but chose to play into Islamic gallery. We sometimes hate hearing or telling ourselves the truth.

Empiree:
Since Hijab or covering is addressed in the Quran, and Quran is universal Book, then it is not Arab culture but muslims regardless of race. Quran is not for Arabs.

Just like you addressed the issue of homosexual been detested 50yrs ago in the West, Western civilization themselves were modest and had some sort of scarfs on until they became ungodly. Orthodox christianity still largely maintain the standard. So, op can post anything he likes. So hijab is no politics nor is it Arab culture.

The Quran, the hadith and the seerah are products of medieval Arab society. Over 90% of laws and customs in the Quran are pre-islamic Arab cultural laws while the rest can be said to be a conglomerate of Jewish law, Zoroastrian law and others. Hijab is an Arab word which also confirm the the people and race from which the fashion emanates. The Japanese women, till date, still put on their traditional dress called Kimono which covers women from head to tow (no face covering though) and they never make a noise about it or try to forcefully culturally export it to other part of the world as an instruction from their Shinto God.

Every race, from time immemorial, have a peculiar dress pattern that appeal to their environment and culture. Arabian land is sandy and windy and nature makes it compulsory for their men and women to cover their hair so that winds don't carry sands into their hair and at times eyes. And this has always been the practice hundreds of years before Islam; it is part of Arabian culture among the pagans, Jews and Christian women in the Arabia.

The issue we now have is the appropriation of Arabic culture into Islamic culture which makes it look as if hijab is an Islamic dressing. Go and study the origin of the 'hijab fashion'. The problem the modern world has with hijab is its use for identity politics among the Muslim ummah all over the world. This identity politics, using the hijab, was not available as at 10years ago; it is a new trend which seems to have been agreed upon my modern Muslim. Hence all over the world it is always the official dress codes against the Islamic hijab. Here in Nigeria, it is the school uniform against the Islamic hijab. In France and Germany, it is the Islamic hijab against the schools and the larger society.

The modern hijab has nothing to do with religion but identity politics for easy identification of Muslims women from the kafir women. In Iran and Saudi Arabia many women are now in jail for failing to put on their hijab. Hijab in these countries are not by choice but by force.

I think this hijab 'politics' is nothing but Arab's cultural invasion of non-arab (or non-muslim) lands. The political/religious acceptance of hijabs often come with Islamic, and Arab cultural, package.

Question01:
It is unfortunate I cannot post the rest of my critique of anti-gay rhetorics. Anti-spam bot keeps banning me.

What I'll state from what I gathered is that homosexuality could be natural. People are born with all kinds of anormalies; down syndrome, autism, ADHD, diabetes mellitus, intersex etc. There is chance that homosexuality is just another one of inborn anomalies.

So, I disagree especially with religious people that just want to scream 'evil' when homosexuality is mentioned.

If you are pushing for a lesser punishment for homosexuals, based on their so-called genetic make-up (no global scholarly research had proved that), then we can equally advocate for a lesser punishment for serial killers. I have watched a documentary where the narrator claimed that, based on genetics, some people are born as psychopath who grow up having a high tendency of becoming serial killers in their adulthood. Fortunately, I have actually seen one myself. The dude, right from our childhood, will never show remorse for whatsoever bad he did. I saw him, when I was like 11 and he was like 15, beat a heavily pregnant woman with an intent of killing her. I was shocked and I told mum about it and she WARNED me never in my life have anything to do with him again. Two years ago I learnt that he had been shot dead for armed robbery and murder.

If this dude were to be in the US he would probably be in a prison serving 15yrs for murder and armed robbery but thank God this is Nigeria where the law is different. And now back to the homosexual issue, it is better to remove a virus from the body while it is still manageable than to let it grow to a point that the entire body has to be destroyed. Homosexuality is a virus that MUST never be allowed to take root in any society.

usermane:
Homosexuality

Some comments have surfaced so far addressing the list, supporting execution or punishing homosexuals. Here is where these comments err.

1. However immoral homosexuality may be, killing homosexuals is more immoral. Death sentence is justifiable only for murder, an homosexual has not even hurt anyone.

2. Common logic dictates a lesser crime like homosexuality befit a penalty lesser than the penalty for a greater crime like murder. A homosexual under a system founded on justice shouldn't face the same penalty as a murderer.

I don't think homosexuality should be a lesser crime in any society. Homosexuality is the beginning of the destruction of the family structure in any society, and a healthy family unit determines how far a society can evolve into a prosperous and happy one. I support any punishment for homosexuals; it is a practice completely against the law of human reproductive nature and must never be allowed to take root any any society. Some 50years back homosexuals in Europe and the US had to hide to avoid being lynch or killed by a random person or mob but today the evil global media (CNN, BBC, NYT, MSNBC, Facebook, etc), in conjunction with the liberals and the progressive, are pushing its acceptance into the mainstream society. Schools, and even some churches, in the US are encouraging and promoting this evil and anyone that speaks against it is called a 'bigot', 'homophobic' and it has become a 'hate-crime' to condemn it. I do respect any society that frown at it with a very stiff punishment.

Nbote:
Everyone knows Messi is on anoda level whether he's winning trophies or not... He's d creator in chief and still ends up as chief scorer as well and even wen he doesn't score he's making a difference on d pitch.. Every attack right from d midfield goes thru him and ends with him in most cases... He doesn't need to prove anything to anyone but only to himself... Dey said he only performs becos of Xavi and Iniesta dey both left and he's still performing. Dey said Neymar was doing all d work for him and he wouldn't perform without him, Neymar left for PSG and he's being carrying d load.. Now d new excuse is dat he can't perform in d Premier league but he's d second highest scorer behind Aguero against d Premier League's top 6 sides and he doesn't even play in d Premier league!!!

U get bad mouth ooo. Tell them.

Lukgaf:
Asalam Alaekum WaramotuLah Wabarakatuh,

As Ramadan approaches, I am happy to remind you that one of the good deeds that can earn you a great reward during Ramadan is by reading and listening to comprehensive meaning of Quran (Tafseer) during the period. Hence, this thread serves to collate the list of reliable Tafseer classes available in our areas.

Kindly supply this information for the benefit of any Muslims who is new to your environment or those that have been living but not aware if there is any that is/are available.

Kindly follow this format:

Name of the Scholar:
Venue (full address, to include the name of the mosque/venue):
Time:
Days: (if not daily)

May Allah reward us all and accept it as an act of Ibadah (Ameen).

This is for your attention respected brothers; Sissie, Mukina2, AbuUbayy1, Rashduct4luv and AbuTwins.

I thought Allah said his words in the quran are very clear, why do we need the tasfir again to interpret a clear word of Allah?

tohyorsih2:
I'm more concerned about his handsome face and his nice stature

Correct girl; but remember, not all that glitters is gold.

Demmzy15:
"Weak ego" "run out of idea"? Where are these bollocks coming from? Hope you're okay Sha?

Far more brighter than you bro.

Demmzy15:
Nothing tangible just your usual emotional outbursts, your usual missionary tantrums you've been pouring out for years. So I'll pass.

You have comprehension problem hence you couldn't have a grasp of my points.

Demmzy15:
Do you know the meaning of freeing a slave? Lemme explain it better to you, people of the old used to buy birds locked up in cages, they could have simply taken it home to be under lock and key but they set it by letting it fly away. That's how it's similar when slaves are freed, you buy them and let them loose from their masters since you can't take them by force from their former masters.

Its unfortunate that human lives can now be compared to animals that can be bought and sold. Anyway, the sunnah/hadith where mohammed sold 2 of his black slaves to buy one 1 slaves was titled: Animal transactions. In Islamic slave trade, human transaction is equivalent to animal transaction. The same transaction rules for the sale of cattle also applied for the sale of human.

Demmzy15:
@underlined, we need explicit evidence for these assertions from either the Hadith or history of Islam, if you can't remain shut. What you brought earlier has been trashed.

This is reason I believed you don't have a critical thinking skill. Read the hadith narration below and open your brain wide:

Bilal said to Abu Bakr, "If you have bought me for yourself then keep me (for yourself), but if you have bought me for Allah's Sake, then leave me for Allah's Work." https://sunnah.com/bukhari/62/102

Demmzy15:
You're not bright at all, I mentioned names for you so as you can look it up for yourself. You can check it out yourself and prove to the world that I'm a Liar, that's the least you could do. If I just made a blatant claim without mentioning anything to back up, then you can make demands but I mentioned names and they're verifiable. These people are known in Islamic history, every Muslim must have heard about them, so if you who has spent your miserable unfruitful life haven't heard about them, then I'm sorry. Now be intelligent and look up the names.

'Olodo rabata, oju eja lo mo o je'. I asked for evidence of black people who came in contact with Mohammad and were not his slaves, but you provided random names without reference. You asked me to go and find out by myself with the random names your wrote, don't you know you sound stupid here? You should also included Olamide Badoo in your fictitious list.

Demmzy15:
I've given names, check them and prove me wrong. Why are you scared to do this?

See my immediate response.

Demmzy15:
Your argument crumbled @underlined, Prophet Muhammad wasn't a rich man, he suffered hunger like every other man. His mission in this world wasn't to acquire riches, your Jesus cursed a tree because it didn't bear fruits. So being rich isn't a characteristics of men of God. So next!?

Mohammed early life was filled with poverty, misery and misfortune (during his childhood) until his adulthood when he came in contact with his Boss, Khadijah, who latter bacame his wife. Khadija was a very wealthy widow who was engaged in multi-million dollar business (by today's langauge). Mohammed, after his marriage to Khadija, lived a comfortable and rich life until the death of his wife Khadija. Khadija's wealth dried up after her death because of mismanagement and Mohammed's deep involvement in religion instead of business. And to make up for the loss, the early Muslim community survived on war booty, zakat and jizya and Mohammed, being the leader, was responsible for how war booty and other income are shared (quran 8:1). You cannot tell me that the man who was responsible for how war booty, zakat and jizya should be allocated is a poor man unless you want to tell me that modern president/finance ministers are poor people.

Demmzy15:
You didn't respond to anything. So your Jesus is a good example abi? A man that ordered Moses and his back of savage dogs to kill, rape and butcher innocent men, women and children is a good example to you right? A God that requested for virgins, till today no Christian has mentioned to us what Jesus did to those virgins he asked Moses for.

Yes, Jesus is a good example if you compare both Jesus and Mohammed 'head-to-head'.

Demmzy15:
Every civilization on the surface of this Earth engaged in slavery, Islam did and provided solution, so I'm not ashamed of that. However, it's an established fact that the European Christians were the ones that enslaved people based on their skin color, this is something you can't deny.

What solution did Islam provide for slavery? The last time I check, Saudi Arabia was forced to abolish slavery in 1962 by the Americans. The kafir forced the leader of the ummah to stop slavery.
https://www.unodc.org/documents/human-trafficking/UNODC_Trafficking_and_Islamic_Law.pdf
http://www.artsrn.ualberta.ca/amcdouga/Hist494/Team%201/enslavement%20manumission%201926-38.pdf
https://twitter.com/diasporicblues/status/962038799491461122?lang=en

Don't be ashamed to open this links above and get educated; it will help you bro. It is a shame for a blackman for still take Mohammed as a prophet.

Demmzy15:
Dummy, no one can abolish slavery. Slavery still happens in one way or the other, Islam acknowledged this and this why manumission of slaves was encouraged. Something Christianity and Jesus didn't acknowledge and solve, if slavery was bad why didn't Jesus abolish outrightly? Because last time I checked, Christian empires after Jesus also traded slaves. Till today, people in Nigeria who are largely Muslims and Christians still engage in slavery, if you go to the East, you'll find many house maids who are like modern slaves. And all of you are largely Christians, but you come here and open your disgusting mouth to lambast Islam. You're a fool!!!

See my immediate response.

Demmzy15:
Okay, if that makes you feel better. But I know for a fact that you aren't white, so if you visit Lebanon, your Lebanese Christians wouldn't hesitate to call you"Abd". And you haven't met any Saudi Arabia, of course there are Arab nationalists and tribalists amongst Saudis but they don't call blacks "Abd", I challenge you to disprove this fact. You can visit Saudi to prove me wrong, Oops, I've forgotten that if you get to Saudi you can lose your filthy head because you're surely a drug carrier. Better save your head, don't go there if not you'll lose your head. That's my advice to you.

the last time I check almost all the Nigerians arrested in Saudi Arabia are all Muslims and are either Yorubas or Hausas. Abeg dont make me laugh. Why will I visit Saudi Arabia of all place? Is it for umra or hajj?

Demmzy15:
Ok History showed that Ethiopians enslaved others during wars, so your opinion doesn't matter. So I'll pass.

You never provided any proof. At no time had any black people enslave white (Arabs inclusive). Stop lying for Allah and his messenger.

Demmzy15:
Just as how Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon and other great Prophets of God were slave merchants. Nothing to be ashamed of bro

Mohammed, according to Islam is 'a perfect man', 'mercy to mankind', best man ever' and the 'last and final prophet' which means that his moral standard should be higher than all other human being on earth. It is unfortunate that the opposite is true. The fact remains that he put many freed slaves back to slavery, a moral crime which no else has committed in the history of man.

Demmzy15:
See this guy? You see why you don't have sense, I've mentioned companions close to the Prophet. Some the prophet considered to be grandson, another he considered to be his mother but you want an Hadith Narrator? Believe me, talking to a fool reduces one's intellect, you're seriously dragging me down. Hadith Narrators that we're centuries after Prophet Muhammad? Anyways, lemme mention one and let's see what you'll say after this one. His name is Ataa Ibn Abi Rabah, who was also the Imam of Makkah.

Hope you notice the emphasis? Next time read my posts clearly, now go home and do the assignment. Don't come and say I should give you Hadith that he's black, you should research that to prove me wrong after I've give you a name.

'Olodo rabata'. You never showed me any single black person who is a narrator of the hadith.

Demmzy15:
Are you confused or what? I mentioned a fact and you asked for prove and I gave you and you're talking rubbish. Here's what I stated initially:

Just as how your God allowed 90 year old Joseph to marry 12 year old Mary and even went as far having sex with her to give birth to other children

Show us prove as per the bolded and stop lying for allah and his messenger.

Demmzy15:
And you replied:

Show us your proof or stop all these Islamic propaganda.

To which I then replied by giving proof slowpoke!

https://www.nairaland.com/2509652/pure-description-islam

Go through the thread from beginning to the end



Go through the thread and see your failures, checkout how all your arguments are being demolished.

I am being demolished by you sheer ignorance and stupidity. You dont make a point without evidence, that stupidity and intellectual dishonesty on your part.

Demmzy15:
You're a confused dummy, you said Ilorin people are now Arabs. This was the bone of contention, you claimed they're Arabs because of some few influences and I said they're not as they never claimed to be and don't speak the language, this your post should be directed to your confused self not me because I never claimed Ilorin people were Arabs. You were the one making the claim, remember when you said: So the Yorubas in Ilorin, kwara state Nigeria, are now Arabs (since they have subtituted their local culture with that of the arabs)? I see your intellectual depravity.

My reply to you then was that ilorin people are still Yorubas as they've never claimed to be Arabs, they didn't adopt the Arab culture and anything close to that. Majority of them them don't even understand the language, so what on Earth are you talking about?

I never said the Ilorin people are now Arabs. What I said is that, based on your inverse logic, any group pf people that speak Arabic and are culturally 'conquered' by Arabs can chose to be identified as Arabs. According to your logic, people can claim to be Arabs as long as they meet some cultural and linguistic criteria which the people of Ilorin, many of them, have met.

Demmzy15:
Gosh, this guy is super dumb!!! Dang it!!! You must be a disappointment to your family, Oluwo of Iwo does understand Arabic but he never adopted the Arab culture, you only become an Arab linguistically if you adopt the culture. This is what the sudanes people did and that's why they're called Arabs today, why is this fact hard to enter your impervious brain? Speaking Arabic doesn't make you an Arab as there many White Caucasians who speak Arabic fluently but they aren't Arabs because they neither adopted the culture not claimed to be one. I've given you several references and even an answer from an Arab user on Quora but your dumb flatheead refuses to take heed, I won't repeat myself again, I'll just be cancelling your post. Olodo!

The African Americans have attained mastery in English language and they have equally adopted English culture and way of life and by your Islamic logic, the African Americans are now English people. Can you see how stupid you sound? The real Arabs (semitic people) are classified as white in the US while all the sudanese are classified as negroid in the US. DO NOT BE SILLY.

Demmzy15:
You were the one that derailed not me, I never derailed. You mentioned South East being better than all 20 Northern states in education, something which doesn't relate at all to the post. So stop lying, here's what you said: Even here in Nigeria, the south east states are permanently ranked academically superior to all 20 northern states. That's the effect of certain religion, like Islam, in any society.
You were the one who started it, I then referred you back to history where Igbos were savages who couldn't even translate a Bible to their own language until a Yoruba man did it for them. Blame yourself not me!

You dont deserve any of the rational responses here again. Mention the name(s) of the Yoruba man(men) that translated the English Bible to Igbo language, the year it was translated and the publishing house that produced the work. I won't be surprised to hear from they lying Muslim that the Yorubas translated the Bible into Japanese language. And as a take away, it is on record, here in Nigeria, that the people with the highest rate of ritual killings, human sacrifices and mining of human skulls (at the grave yards) are Yoruba Muslims.

lanrexlan:
See how he was busy twisting what's clear as broad daylight.

It is sad that some Christians on NL are "happy" when catastrophic suicide bombings take place. Why? They would have the opportunity to bash Islam! Outwardly they might seem to be sorrowful but deeply, they are happy cos they have seen an avenue to bash Islam. Even if you tell these folks these bombers are misguided and they are misrepresenting Islam, they would argue that you are wrong and you don't know Islam. Wallah it is sickening. People have given priority to silly avenues to bash others over the sanctity of lives.

To them, the bombers are the real muslims while others who condemn them are fake. I don't know how people can be supporting suicide bombing indirectly with such mentality. If all muslims are to be how these bombers portray, then every soul on earth should be dead!

Can we just condemn terrorism as a whole and just playing blame games?! We are humans first faah (NB: There are some rightly-thinking Christians though but rare on NL)

A Yoruba adage says: 'Eni kan lomo'. Meaning, it is a victim that knows the pain of a tragedy. No sane mind will be happy over an unfortunate situation, except a psychopath. The Muslim world need to do more to address the common incidence of terror among its adherents. The most violent and intolerant religion today is ISLAM.

Empiree:
Now I have every reason to believe this whole attack was orchestrated by non muslims. They continue to prove time and again their agenda.

I have seen this pattern over and over again; anytime there is Muslim terror attack, blame the Jews and enemies of Islam and not the Muslims who carry out the attack. The Muslims are, by default, innocent (no matter the type of crime they commit) and must never take responsibility and must be the fault of the kafir. This is a siege mentality.

Empiree:
What's banning Tv program had to do with security and killing of innocent lives?. Just to achieve their evil plot they had to suck innocent bloods.

Peace TV has already been banned in India after the India terror attack last 2 years and Zakir Naik was wanted for India for questioning after the Indian terror attack. Why was his 'crime'? The Indian Muslim terrorist said he was inspired by the sermons of Zakir Naik to carry out the attack. The Sri lankan government did the right thing by banning any person or activity that can be a catalyst for another terror.

Empiree:
It is clear now.

It is clear that Muslims don't take responsibility for the action of their people against the kafir; it must be the fault of the Jews or the Americans.

Empiree:
As I said before, you guys want no peace. It doesn't matter what you say again. I got the picture. Is it not written in your Bible that worshipping other than God or associating partners with Him is not acceptable to God?. Does that mean disturbing other people of faith or place of worship?. You are very insecure and insensitive. The sheikh gave his sermons but you twisted to suit you. You made me sad this morning. How come CHRISTIANs condemn atheists, buddists, Hindus and even Muslims of worshipping false God?. According to your Bible, to ascribe partners with God is punishable offense even in this world by death.

So because they are 'worshipping 3 god' they deserve to die in the hands of Muslim terrorist? Every man have right to his belief. A psychologist once said: 'if you like worship stone I don't have problem with that as long as you don't throw it at me'. You posted the video to tell us than an Imam condemned the terror attack against Christians in Sri lanka but at the same time attacking/mocking the beliefs of the victims. If you don't see the stupidity in his sermon then you have to watch it over and over again. I don't have any issue with any sheik or Imam preaching against shirk, however you have to be a bit sensitive when giving your sermon especially after an unfortunate event had occurred so that you don't sound hypocritical in your so-called 'peace sermon'.

Empiree:
this is one of the many reasons I think you don't understand sheik. Can you tell us where Iran and Saudi blew up Churches and synagogues?. The letter says to protect CHRISTIANs and their Churches. Which means if there is one it should be protected. And they are churches in Saudi and Iran. Where do you think CHRISTIANs in Saudi pray? Where do you think non muslim ambassadors, consulates pray? They have embassies their which means there are nonmuslims in Saudi and they have their houses of worship. You may not see them on the big screen. That's irrelevant. This is major islamic country. Just like in Vatican, there is no mosque there. So why is this your problem?. And since nonMuslims live in Saudi and Iran have you ever heard that Saudi or Iran disturbed them or destroyed their houses of worship like Chinese buddists are currently doing to muslims in China by destroying their mosques and placing muslims in camps https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2118020461586762&id=490858150969676&anchor_composer=false

Saudi Arabia will not blow up any church or synagogue because there is none in Saudi Arabia, but they are the highest sponsor of Islamic terror worldwide. The export their aggressive wahabi Islam worldwide which is fraught with violence, murder and bloodshed against the non-Muslims. They spend billions of dollars on madrasses in Pakistan who in turn produce killer machines in the name of Islam. Iran on their part are more civilized muslims and somehow peace loving but are still heavily involved the in persecution of religious minorities in their country.

Empiree:
See also attachments.

How about Western Christians blew up mosques in iraq but many of these video are taken off YouTube now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt_YAz5U_mQ

This is Islamic propaganda

Empiree:
and on their guns they wrote Bible verse John 3:16. Is there Islamic govt around the world doing these violent crimes on nonmuslims houses of worship?. I am not talking about terrorists that you created whom you called "islamists". I am talking about islamic govt. None. But we seen CHRISTIAN govt blew up mosques. Their bullets were laced with pork to kill muslims.

This is Islamic propaganda

Empiree:
you are the one playing hate game. You started off twisting innocent sermon to suit you. Even if a layman watched the video he would say the sheikh wants peace. Clearly you don't want peace. Sheikh clearly stated that muslims should identity with victims but you somehow interpreted his message to suit you. The world is seeing what you guys are doing.

I asked you a simple question which you have failed to answer. If after the New Zealand attack, a pastor go to his pulpit to condemn the attack but at the same time tell his congregation that Jesus is the only son of God and that Mohammed is a false prophet, how will Muslims react?

Empiree:
It is you CHRISTIANs that brought evils into the modern world. Homosexual, children insulting their parents is their right. They do what they want is their right. Feminism is their right. Walking around naked is your right. Talk nonsense is your right. But when a Muslim woman dresses modestly she's uneducated slave. And the list goes on. We wouldn't be having this discussion if you were truthful after you watched the video.

The liberals and the leftists are the ones promoting vices around the western world. The Christian in the US and Europe as still being regarded as 'conservatives and evangelicals' because of their view which are often against the so-called liberal progressive views. Over 80% of leftist and 'progressives' identified as atheist and they are sympathetic to anything that goes against the Judaeo-christian values such as pornography, LGBT, feminism and their so-called 'human and animal right'. The leftist and the atheist are also the greatest supporters of Islam in the US and Europe. See links below:
https://askdrbrown.org/library/liberals-misguided-love-affair-islam
https://unherd.com/2018/04/many-left-wing-progressives-protest-pope-silent-islams-totalitarian-tendencies-victims-cowardice-overwhelmingly-women/
https://www.quora.com/Why-are-liberals-called-leftists-when-liberals-love-Islam-while-communists-hate-all-religions
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/10091/muslims-liberals-leftists

The same leftist who hate Christianity, promotes vices around the world, are 100% sympathetic to Islam. The question begs, what is the plans of the US atheist and liberals? Why are they siding with Islam and are against Christianity? And FYA, the US academic, politics, sports and entertainment are controlling controlled by the liberals and the atheist and not the CHURCH.

Empiree:
Fact remains that all these terrorists around the world are created directly or indirectly by Judeo CHRISTIAN leaders and I have provided proof in the past. John McCain (may his soul burn in hell) was one of them. Because hes no longer around was the reason his boys lost the battle. He was the one that lobbied for terrorists. And that Jerry Falwell a Christian terrorist(may he rot in hell) was one of the instigators of war in Iraq on false premise.
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/indepth/opinion/bush-war-iraq-190318150236739.html

I don't buy that. You guys should take responsibility for your actions and stop the blame games. The Judaeo-christian world was not the responsible for the battle of karbala which resulted into the split of Islam into the Sunni and the shia. The Judaeo-christian world was not the responsible for the apostate war immediately after the death of Mohammed. The Judaeo-christian world was not the responsible for killing the grandson of the prophet who dies in the hands of the Sunnis Muslims. The Judaeo-christian world is not the responsible for the current persecution of Christians in the middle east. The Judaeo-christian world is not the responsible with the current diplomatic stand-off between Iran and Saudi Arabia. Even in some occasions whereby the CIA trained Muslim militia to fight fellow Muslims, why are Muslims so naive to fall for that trap? Why cant muslims put their house in order for more than 1400 years?

Empiree:
So you know that you have been deceiving yourself in your faith?. You know that you perpetrated worst evil by associating partners with God and yet, you claimed to worship one God. Sometimes we learn the truth by way of deception which you put on display here.

It is clear you guys want no peace. You deliberately chose to misinterpret his sermons to suit you. What else can Muslims say or do to please you guys?. His message is as clear as daylight. He extended peace gestures but you guys still complain. Why in the world you think #1 actually referred to CHRISTIANS?

It is true that the worst form of oppression is ascribing partners with God but this oppression is against one's soul bcuz in the grave and on the Day of judgement it is not gonna be funny.

I swear the way you reason here makes me sad. Why did you choose to distort his message?. As for the letter he talked about, it would have been better if you said you would research it rather than arriving at the conclusion.

I now believe that CHRISTIAN world don't want peace. Example was recent release of the lady arrested in Saudi Arabia. CAN already played religious card which prompted a Muslim covert to write this note:









I am now convinced that CHRISTIANs don't want peace. No wonder media would still portray a white CHRISTIAN nationalist as "Islamic terrorists". This is truly deep hatred. So sad man that you Mr. True2god could stooped so low. The sheikh even said that evil perpetrated against Sri Lankan CHRISTIANs killing over 200 worshippers was oppression and Muslim must identified with the oppressed (the victims).

What you just did here is the same trait throughout Christian history. In 1930s, the italian general Graziani did the same. He claimed he wanted peace. He summoned Umar Mukhtar to peace talks under a tent. While peace talks were ongoing, his troops were sending armoured tanks to Kufa to attack Umar's army. Yet he's "negotiating peace talks".

George Bush did the same when pressure mounted to leave Iraq, he said no problem. We would move our troops from Iraq and exist from Iran (that's, invade iran on our way out). Yet, he was "negotiating peace talks" with Iraq. When white CHRISTIAN nationalist killed 50 people in NZ, a Christian apologist based in Abuja published article that the CHRISTIAN terrorist guy was linked to islamist terrorists. Ncow you too did the same thing. You guys want no peace.

I am pointing out the errors in that 'sermon' and you are here blaming me. If a terrorist attacks a mosque and kill 100 people and a pastor, in his church, condemned the attack but at the same time told his congregation that Mohammed is a false prophet and a great sin to believe he is a prophet, what will you say? When you are condemning such a horrendous crime you have no reason to attack/mock the faith of the victims which is what the sheik did. It is better for one to keep quiet when a bad incident occur than to open his mouth to make a provocative statement.

On the alleged letter Mohammed wrote to ensure the security of Christians which the imam spoke about in the 14th minute into the video, why are Saudi and Iranian authorities not adhering to the instruction to the so-called 'prophet's letter'? Why are they still arresting Christians and apostates in Saudi Arabia and Iran?

There are over 10 major religions on earth, why are virtually all the other religions living peacefully with other except Islam? Why are we always having conflict between Islam and other religions? You guys should do a soul searching and stop playing 'they hate us' game.

Empiree:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT84Uj_hROE

I have watched the video and its a complete mixture of truth, lies and Islamic propaganda.

At 1:35mins, the sheik asked the Muslims to fight against oppression and evil. This is OK, if he stops there but he listed 7 main sources of evil and oppression. The list are:

1) Associating partner with Allah.

2) Magic and sorcery.

3) Killing of innocent people.

4) Time will draw close.

5) Knowledge will decrease

6) Fitna will increase

7) Murder and genocide will appear.

The fist point he made obviously talked about the Christians. The Christian call Jesus 'the son of God' and this is ranked as the greatest evil in Islam; associating partner with Allah. This Christian belief has been in force over 500yrs before Muhammed was born and over 2000 yrs by now. So when a sheikh, in a mosque, keep parroting the same old Islamic narrative against a core christian belief, is he trying to make peace or create more disunity among people of different faith? I will leave you to be the judge. Remember, he was meant to sound conciliatory immediately after Sri Lanka attack by some Muslim terrorist but he is busy castigating the beliefs of the victims. Imagine a pastor, after the new Zealand attack, holding a church service condemning the attack but at the same time saying that Mohammed is a fake prophet, how do you see that?

At 7:45mins, he talked about similarly attacks where Muslims and Jews were victims of terror attacks in their mosques and synagogue. I have no issue with this because all forms of violence must be condemned. The only area I seem to disagree is the fact that most Islamic attacks are religiously motivated against the kafir. Remember, the sheik said the greatest 'evil and oppression' is 'associating partner with Allah'. This is a coded message to some Islamic terror group who cannot stand the 'insult' of 'associating partner with Allah'.

In the 14th minute, the full propaganda was in display using the alleged letter the prophet write to the Muslim leaders in Najaran. The purported letter was written by Mohammed, but cannot be found in any authentic hadith, to ensure the security of Christians. Some of the content the letter is allowing Christian and Jews to worship even in a mosque, if no church or synagogue is available. Allowing Christians a place of worship without any form of intimidation and harassment, etc. Of course we all know that no single Muslim country implements this policy because it was concocted by faceless Muslims to con the west.

The truth still remain that Saudi Arabia and Iran, leaders of both sunni and shia Islam, are doing the exact opposite of what the alleged letter said. Are you saying that these two countries have not read the letter?

Demmzy15:
LoL I know what you're trying to do, you have nothing tangible again but you keep replying me so as those viewing the thread can think you're intelligent and proving a point whereas your replies are weak and gibberish. I'll be ending the conversation slowly by eliminating rubbish and referring back to my old posts for regurgitated stuffs you present. I don't like repeating myself.

Don't give room for 'inferiority complex' because I can see you have a weak ego. Have you run out of idea?

Demmzy15:
Nothing tangible, just usual Christian flatheead emotional outbursts.

This is not an intelligent response from a supposedly bright mind.

Demmzy15:
Your intellect is flawed, there was contention between Bilal and Abubakr. And Bilal replied him when Abubakr wanted to hinder Bilal, here's the full Hadith:

Bilal said to Abu Bakr, "If you have bought me for yourself then keep me (for yourself), but if you have bought me for Allah's Sake, then leave me for Allah's Work." https://sunnah.com/bukhari/62/102

And there's no evidence whatsoever that Bilal was under the servitude of Abubakr, in case you didn't know Bilal wasn't the only the slave Abubakr bought and freed. They were other slaves he bought and freed the same way he did with respect to Bilal but all your flatheead could think about is Bilal because he's black. I'm sorry, you're a fool!!!

Slaves are bought for servitude and not for leisure. Bilal was Abu Bakr's slave but Mohammed was equally using him for his new religious. He complained that he was being used, first by his primary master (Abu Bakr) and then his secondary master (Mohammed). He only cried out for his work-load to be reduced. This is commonsense if you have the skill to look at the bigger picture.

Demmzy15:
I should provide what references? Anybody that knows Islamic History would know that Umm Ayman Barakah was a black woman, no one disputes this. Her son Usamah Ibn Zayd was the youngest Muslim general and he was black. And how on Earth with your "I too know" won't know the man that killed Hamza the uncle of the Prophet? Even if you don't know anything about Islam, you ought to know it was a black man that killed him. This is common sense guy Please I'm not repeating myself, if you want to know about them, a simple Google search is available. You can search for: Umm Ayman Barakah, Usamah Ibn Zayd, Summayyah, Ammar Ibn Yassir, Ataa Ibn Abi Rabah, Wahshi Ibn Harb, Ayman.

Giving random names, without providing references, does not make sense. I asked you to give me names of black people who came in contact with Mohammed that we never his slaves, with reference from authentic hadith and you have failed to provide any.

Demmzy15:
I challenge you to search for these individuals and prove me wrong.

You made a claim and it your responsibility to provide valid references.

Demmzy15:
Narrated Jabir: A man manumitted a slave and he had no other property than that, so the Prophet cancelled the manumission (and sold the slave for him). No'aim bin Al-Nahham bought the slave from him.

What's wrong here? The guy was bankrupt and the slave he freed was then resold for him to have something to take of himself and his family. Hope you're not running mad like this?

Your richer prophet should have helped the poor man in another way instead of auctioning his slave to raise money for him. The man was nice enough to free his slave since he was bankrupt but your prophet re-sold him into slavery in order to raise money for the poor man. Who is morally just, the man that freed his slave or your prophet that place the man back into slavery?

Demmzy15:
Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah:

A man decided that a slave of his would be manumitted after his death and later on he was in need of money, so the Prophet took the slave and said, "Who will buy this slave from me?" Nu'aim bin 'Abdullah bought him for such and such price and the Prophet gave him the slave.

Are you a goat? What's wrong here? Didn't I tell your flatheead the Prophet engaged in slavery? That was the norm then, Jesus even engaged in slavery. Till today some of the girls given to Jesus, we still don't know what he did with them and you're here talking rubbish.



Here's the Hadith:

Narrated Jabir:

The Prophet came to know that one of his companions had given the promise of freeing his slave after his death, but as he had no other property than that slave, the Prophet sold that slave for 800 dirhams and sent the price to him.

This scenario is similar to the one I responded to earlier. Your prophet was a bad example; re-selling freed slaves is evil.

Demmzy15:
Firstly, there's no mention of Coptic here and secondly, what's wrong here? I hope you're Okay Sha?

Quote the full source, you can visit sunnah.com for a more detailed explanation.

Demmzy15:
And as for Libyans, they're following the footsteps of Christian Europeans who enslaved and killed millions of black and native peoples.

From all what you posted above you still blame 'Christian Europeans' instead of your prophet? Try accept responsibility for once; slavery is evil and your prophet was deeply involved in it.

Demmzy15:
Dummy, no one can abolish slavery. Slavery still happens in one way or the other, Islam acknowledged this and this why manumission of slaves was encouraged. Something Christianity and Jesus didn't acknowledge and solve, if slavery was bad why didn't Jesus abolish outrightly? Because last time I checked, Christian empires after Jesus also traded slaves. Till today, people in Nigeria who are largely Muslims and Christians still engage in slavery, if you go to the East, you'll find many house maids who are like modern slaves. And all of you are largely Christians, but you come here and open your disgusting mouth to lambast Islam. You're a fool!!!

From your own post all the manumitted slaves were placed back into slavery. Are you sure you are ok? Ordinary citizen freed their slaves but you prophet sold them back into perpetual slavery. Don't transfer your anger to me but to your prophet.

Demmzy15:
Blacks are 'Abd' by "Arab Pheonican Nationalists" who are mostly found in Lebanon. Accept it if you want, but I won't repeat myself again. If you like repeat, I'll just cancel your post. Dummy!!!

Thank God you are gradually accepting the fact that blacks are callerd 'Abd'. And FYA, they also call you blacks 'Abd' in Saudi Arabia, deal with it bro.

Demmzy15:
To burst your bubble, I had 6B's and 2C's in my WAEC. Black Ethiopians enslaved Arabs after they defeated them in wars, this happened. This was the norm over 1500 years ago, deny all you want I've given evidences of slavery in Axum Empire and how slavery was one of the drivers of the economy.

Clap for yourself; you have achieved a lot academically. I will 'Bluetooth-slap' you if you repeat this lie again: 'Black Ethiopians enslaved Arabs'. You are a shame to the black race (if you are not an Arab) for believing this lie.

Demmzy15:
What response exactly? You didn't address anything my friend, your notion on Bilal has been destroyed. You're just hanging on and you'll surely fall

Islamic super-ego on display; my notion on Bilal has been destroyed. Read my post above.

Demmzy15:
The only one having emotional and psychological issues is you who has refused to use his head. Guy, think straight and things would be clear to you. When you're emotional, you can't think straight, believe me, you can't. So get help mehn!!!

Curse and shout to shut down an intellectual discussion. I have engaged your type times without number.

Demmzy15:
Prophet Muhammad engage in slavery I never denied that, it's you that can't fathom lifestyles of thousands of years ago. Abraham engaged in slavery, Moses engaged in slavery (in fact his case was worse), slavery was rampant in the Roman empire by the Roman and Jewish people but Jesus didn't say a word about it. Jesus in his god form even got slaves from Moses and you ignorant monkey come and criticize Islam which encouraged ending of slavery? You're not Okay!!!

God boy! At least you have admitted that Mohammed was a slave merchant just that you have to include other people to provide a moral justification for his evil. Deal with Mohammed and stop dragging other people into his dirty lifestyle.

Demmzy15:
See this guy You see why you don't have sense, I've mentioned companions close to the Prophet. Some the prophet considered to be grandson, another he considered to be his mother but you want an Hadith Narrator? Believe me, talking to a fool reduces one's intellect, you're seriously dragging me down. Hadith Narrators that we're centuries after Prophet Muhammad? Anyways, lemme mention one and let's see what you'll say after this one. His name is Ataa Ibn Abi Rabah, who was also the Imam of Makkah.

I asked you to give me the name of a single narrator of the hadith who is black and you are here talking nonsense. You cant provide one because they never existed. Slaves are not allowed to pay allegiance to the prophet hence their testimony cannot be allowed in the hadith.

Demmzy15:
Coward!!!

https://www.nairaland.com/2509652/pure-description-islam

Go through the thread from beginning to the end

Discuss the issue at hand; don't deflect like a Jehovah's witness.

Demmzy15:
Are you honestly asking me this question?

If you don't have an answer you skip to the next issue.

Demmzy15:
You can't handle the heat ba?

Heat or abuse? Clarify.

Demmzy15:
Go and reread my description in my last post, this time slowly. Tauregs in Mali dress similarly to nomadic Arabs and they're not Arabs because they don't speak the language. People in Ilorin still converse in Yoruba language, so why would they call themselves Arabs? They never made this claim, you're the one who's making the claim because they dress like northerners. And if you think wearing turbans is peculiar to Arabs, then you're wrong. Muslims since the early times have always work turbans especially West African Muslim.

From you analogy the African Americans in the US are English people since 99.9% speak English as their mother-tongue and first language. Use your brain and not your anus. Racial classification, except the Islamic standard, has nothing to do with the language you speak but your physiological make-up (including the tone of your skin). Don't spend all your time to be brainwashed at the madrassas.

Demmzy15:
I attached a picture of of Oluwo of Iwo in Osun State during the 19th century wearing a turbans because he's Muslim and that didn't in anyway signify he's an Arab. Also the picture of Muhammad Shitta Bey, both of them are fully blooded Yoruba Muslims.

Of course, by your own stupid logic if the Oluwo of Iwo, and his subjects, speak Arabic as their mother-tongue, they will no longer be Yoruba people but arabs. Go back to school and write your 'carry-over'.

Demmzy15:
Your double standards ehn, you were the same person asking me to stick to the topic and not on race despite the fact that my explanation correlates with the topic of discussion but at the same time you want us to discuss igbo people performance in WAEC, something that doesn't even relates to the topic. You see the Igbo sense I'm talking about?

You brought in the Igbo people and I need to clear your doubt; I didn't even dwell much on it to avoid derailment.

Demmzy15:
So you haven't heard of "Collyridianism"? So you don't know of many Christian sects with obscure beliefs existed? Do you that we had Unitarian christians that believed Jesus wasn't crucified at all? As a Christian, you need to research more because the existence of such Christian sects means you're likely wrong to believe in 3 gods.

Topic: Islam and racism. Next!!!

Demmzy15:
I didn't mention anything related to that that warrants this rubbish reply, you failed in your quest to link conquest as the tool of Arabization and Islamization of Sudan. Guy admit, and if it comes to war, it's better you stick to what you know because if I start with atrocities of Christians and Jews over the centuries against themselves, pagans and Muslims you might not be able to eat o

Open a thread and let's discuss it.

usermane:
What else is WRONG with Sharia

Apart from breaching human rights, there is another problem with sharia. And that is it hinder human progress and cause stagnation. For instance;



But alcohol has medicinal properties whether alone or in combination with other chemicals.



This is an hindrance to postmortem examination. Also, this leaves no room for the study of human cadaver which we can all admit serve(d) well for Anatomy, Physiology and Medicine.

IN SHORT
Sharia is archaic and backward, it is what condemned the Muslim world to backwardness for the past 500 years. The only thing keeping the Muslim world still relevant in the global sphere is oil. You don't need to be non-Muslim to see this.

Since contributors of this thread have rather deviated from the bone of contention- a critical view of sharia, I'll create another thread in future concerning sharia and human progress.

No one denies the fact that sharia law is archaic and grossly violates the human right of non-Muslims (in Muslim lands), and even Muslims themselves. I have spoken with several Muslims who told me that no country on earth implements sharia law fully because they understood the medieval natures of most of the laws. If however to take a holistic view of 'sharia law' and the chain effect it has globally, both on Muslims and non-Muslims, you will appreciate the engagement I have been having with 'Empire', especially in the area of what Muslims define as 'hate speech' (speech critical to Islamic beliefs and many aspects of sharia) and 'free-speech'.

Empiree:
I need to respond this this quickly before I return for the rest because this caught my attention.

Bro, you are misinformed or you deliberately distorted fact behind for her suspension. Yes, suspension not fired.

The reason was not what you said here at all. Jeannie was suspended for her comment on Omar's hijab. You made this up

CNN sees Ilham Omar as a poster girl in their fight against president Trump while Judge Jeannie is a staunch supporter of Donald Trump. There is no way CNN will present an unbiased view of what led Judge Jeannie to be critical of Ilham Omar. Sean Hannity of Fox news also criticised Omar without an incident. Chelsea Clinton, and most of the DNC members, also criticized her for her constant anti-Jewish rhetorics. Even her fellow Muslims have verbally attacked her for her anti-jewish, anti-american and anti-christian rhetorics.

You can type 'Judge Jeannie Pirro and Ilham Omar' on your YouTube page to get the full and unedited video on his matter. Ilham case is a classical example of 'Biting the fingers that feed you'.

Empiree:
since you already recognize evil of the so called "sex education" vilifying child marriage when it comes to Muslims is irrelevant. Recently in the UK, they enforced teaching children LGBT. Thank God you recognized this to be evil. If I didn't put pressure on you you would be adamant that child marriage only has to do with muslims. But now you digressed.






oh you missed where I said former cnn lost his job for his political statement on Israel which was deemed "anti-Semitism". Was he corrected?. No. He was rebuked. Was he allowed to defend himself in court below losing his job?. No. He was fired and excommunicated. You are still not getting it out you pretend. I don't want to say much in this but I would advise you to get more info bcuz i can't type here what they do to people who go against them. I'm just gonna direct you to watch recent American citizen who works for Iranian tv. Watch it on YouTube and hear what she had to say after her arrest and release. That's all I can tell you. You can say all you want that they don't kill. Just hope you are not victim.



see, you are doing what former fox news lady did that got her fired. You are assuming ilan Omar's view was a result of her religion but you failed to see she's actually defending Constitution. Aipac and lobby are unconstitutional. And bear in mind that this is a woman who was born in a country bombed by USA. Remember Black Hawk black hawk down?. So this should tell you a lot.




I don't need to have to verify this. His prayer was in response to Jews and CHRISTIANS support and invasion of muslim lands, especially iraq. And their support for israeli occupation of Palestine. Don't pretend as if you don't know how evangelical Christians supported Bush. Remember Jerry Falwell, may his soul born in hell. He was pro war. He and fellow evangelists used that opportunity to invade Iraq with Bible to preach to Iraqis. He even said on national TV that their (muslims) God is evil. Our(CHRISTIANs) God is the truth. Go back and do research. Lot of Western CHRISTIANs flooded Iraq and distributed Bibles. Celebrated Christmases for yrs. What's the end now?. What did they achieve?. Nothing. Jerry died and his soul is in hell as we speak. He supported killings knowing that Iraq war was a lie about wmd. They specifically said that bush was God sent to preach gospel to Muslims. Yet you guys would say you are peaceful.



I still don't get why you guys have problems with Obama and Hillary's condolence messages. Were only Christians killed?. Muslims were killed too on that fateful day. Didn't you read that Saudi citizens were also victims?. I don't celebrate Easter and I don't condone muslims joining your celebration. So Easter is seen as 'universal' holiday even though it's affiliated with Christianity. So Muslims were killed in recent Sri Lanka terrorist attacks. It very unfortunate that you said Iran and Saudi Arabia didn't condemn or sent condolences. And, bro. In this age of INFORMATION?. Just say you don't know(SEE attached)




seems you misunderstood or misquoted. I said they banned burqa which has nothing to do with bombing. How is banning burqa prevent further attack?. This makes sense to you, bro?. Matter if fact, a video was uploaded on FB yesterday showing one of the alleged bombers wearing "burqa". Upon unveiled him by police he turned out to be a buddist
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2685260574823577&id=1984023931613915&anchor_composer=false



news?. Which news?. This anti Islam media?. And why do you think I should believe them?. They have history of fabricating story. They have history of painting their enemies black. Few years ago during Nicholas Sakorzy reign, local Malians decided to take over their own resources in remote side. French quickly deployed army to secure their interest in the area. In order to successfully do that they had to paint the locals as islamic terrorists and media propagated that and that's what masses believed. They said terrorists wanted to take over oil field and govt but that was not the case. They labelled them Islamic terrorists just so they could get international support and get away with resources. Indeed their operation was successful. So these are the media houses you want me to believe?.

You didn't put any pressure on me to identify the LGBT movement as evil; I never defended it in the first place. One only needs a conscience and commonsense to identify the fact that LGBT is very evil. And I don't think it is reasonable to compare 2 evils (LGBT and child marriage) in order to chose the lesser one out of religious conviction.

On the CNN guy that lost his job last year (or last 2 yes), he didn't lose his job because of his antisemitic rhetoric but because he went to the UN general assembly, in the presence of world leaders, to make his antisemitic remarks. If he had confined it to the CNN studio nothing will happen. I have heard many antisemitic rhetorics from Van Jones and Wolf Blitzer, and many of their so-called political commentators, @CNN without any consequence.

On Judge Jeannie, she was not fired from Fox news but only suspended and many Americans have protested her suspension. What was her offense? She called Ilhan Omar out on her inflammatory remarks against the US and the Jews. What did she say about her? That the US gave Ilham Omar an opportunity which no other nation on earth might give her and instead of her to appreciate that opportunity and thank God for that, she rather attack the same country that gave her fame, shelter, riches, education, power and global influence. She (Omar) had apologized many times for her unreasonable remarks but won't stop dropping new ones. If that's how Islam works then I stand to agree with the evangelicals that believed that mass Muslim migration is a threat to the US and need to be stopped. Just take a look at what's going on in Europe now as a result of large Muslim migration.

On the Saudi Imam cursing the Jews and the Christians at the prophet's mosque in Medina, there is no justification for that. That prayer is an act of incitement for the extremist to act and mind you he included the Shi'a among the people Allah should annihilate, are the Shi'a also invading Muslim lands? Don't patronize bad behavior in order to protect your religion. I am not denying the fact that western policies in the developing world is bad, but justifying a political 'prayer' in the mosque is not good.

When Boko haram crisis was raging, the government of Borno decided to act by banning people form wearing burqa in public places for security reasons. Any responsible government will do anything within her power to protect the lives and properties of her citizens, including banning the burqa if need be, And again why must the government even seek advise from Muslims before doing the right thing (banning the burqa for now)? That's arrogance and insensitivity on the part of the Muslims against the victims and their families.

I applaud the government of Iran and Saudi Arabia for condemning the Sri Lanka attacks. I didn't see the news before now.

Empiree:
Whatever their "sex education" is doesn't really work. I need not to say more. Again, it depends on what they consider "child marriage"



This shows there is still limit to "freedom of speech" contrary to what they want us to believe. You said "as long as it doesn't go against national security". I get that but not only this. If you speak against zionists you will be rebuked. If you speak against or deny holocaust you will be called anti semite and excommunicated. If you speak against Jewish lobby (AIPAC) you will be chastised and called anti semite and if you hold political office you will be pressured to resign for your comments. Are these national security too?.

Take Ilan Omar for example. She's being attacked left and right by both parties. Trump said she should resign from senate for her "anti-semitic view". How about Marc Lamont Hill who was fired by CNN for his commonet of Israeli mistreatment of palestinians. There is nothing like absolute freedom. So why blame islam for something they are similarly guilty of?. This is why i condemned this dude called "usermane".



These are not hate speeches. We would pardon their ignorance first. Clarification and education is what needed. And after teaching them and clarifying doubts but the fellow vehemently continues to drag it which means such fellow as motives like ifeann used to do. In this case it will be determined to be hate speech bcus the person is no longer ignorant. So all or most of these evangelical christians are guilty of hate speech in this sense bcus they simply said these things to create artificial problems and hatred for muslims I need not go back to analysis of these topics anymore. We dealt with this years ago. Another example is recent attacks in Sri Lanka. It is an attempt to create backlash for muslims. Only people with wisdom would not be fooled by them. From the reports we got, they said Sri Lankan security forces were alerted 3 yrs ago about some crazy people. Two weeks to the attack, security forces said they were aware of pending predicament but they did nothing to avert the threat until it actually happened which means they themselves have questions to answer. What is the duty of law enforcement?. Is it not to protect their citizens?. And now Sri Lanka govt published footage of alleged bomber wearing simple T-shirt and Jeans and had backpack on. Although the video doesn't prove he did anything wrong. My point is, bcus of this incident, govt of Sri Lanka said they will ban burqa. Abeg, tell me how burqa relate to a person wearing Western cloth and backpack?. This means their intention was to deliberately create artificial hatred for muslims. Their trademark is boldly written on the wall. They had to kill innocent lives to make Islam and muslims look bad. This is hate bcus there will be people who fell for their trash and this breeds hate speeches and attacks on muslims.



In another word, we need not to say more. If later is not better then there is no need to condemn former. Still brings us back to kettle calling pot black. Is usermane ready to admit this fact?

I am not an advocate for sex education because it is a gradual process of indoctrinating young minds into sexual immorality. Among what children are being taught as part of the 'sex education' is the LGBT right hence presenting a very evil lifestyle to young minds as a norm. As for child marriage, it remains a 'child marriage' irrespective of ones religion, location or the time it is/being practiced. Getting married to a 6 or 9 year old girl is wrong. Let's remove religious sentiment from it.

On freedom of speech, of course there is a limit. If I speak against Zionism, deny the holocaust, speak against AIPAC, etc, I will be rebuked and 'corrected' but I won't be killed or jailed. I can even go to court to defend my right to the First Amendment, if I am in the US. However, in a sharia-compliant Muslim country, if I speak against Islam and her prophet, I will be killed or jailed. This is the difference.

As for the congresswoman Ilan Omar, she is not a private citizen like you and I; she is a politician, a public citizen, who represents a district with a heterogeneous population and beliefs. Her utterances will be held with a high value unlike an ordinary citizen. A politician cannot be making provocative statements and expect people never to react. You need to understand that over 90% of Ilan Omar"s provocative statements were based on her values and religious convictions. In a country like the US, which view Muslims with suspicion, a Muslim politician "s statement will always be scrutinized. You cannot live in a country you hate so much. I have watched Ilan Omar attack the US policies, the Jews and the Christians. Imagine a christian politician in Egypt attacking the Egyptian policies and Islam, what do you think will happen?

You raised another issue of Islam being misunderstood hence some Islamophobes like the evangelical Christians directing hate speeches against Islam. I have watched a video, and many 'evangelical' Christians would have also seen it, where an Imam at the prophet's mosque in Medina was literarily cursing the Jews and the Christians in his prayers while the congregation responded with:' AMIN, AMIN, AMIN...' If the Jews and the Christians can be so much vilified at a mosque that can be regarded as the 'holiest of holies' in the Muslim world, without any consequence, why blame the 'evangelical' Christians for their verbal assaults on Islam? You can't be creating an unhealthy environment and expect people to always give you roses. If you go up Northern Nigeria, it is a very normal thing to vilify the Christians in their mosques and until this technical incitement stops, we might not see the end of religious crisis there.

On the Sri lanca attack, the level of condemnation we all see when 49 people were killed in the New Zealand mosque attack was not the same. Some politicians, especially among DNC, called it the 'Easter Worshippers Attack'. They don't want to call it attack against Christian worshippers because it will not suit their evil political agenda and political narratives. However when the first attack happened in New Zealand, they all went to their tweeter handle to condemn it as 'attack against the Muslim worshippers'. The people i am talking about are Hillary Clinton, Barrack Obama. Ilan Omar, Elizabeth Warren, etc. Can you see the double standard? Besides, almost all leaders around the globe condemned the NZ attack against Muslims but I have not seen any notable leader of either Saudi Arabia or Iran condemn the attack like they did when Muslims were killed in NZ.

You made a point that Muslims are being targeted because of the ban of burqa after the attack. This is a very insensitive statement. You seem to be more concerned with how government will react to prevent further attacks than the atrocity itself.

And again you made another point which shocked me the most, that perhaps Sri Lanka was not perpetrated by muslins but was orchestrated by non-muslims to paint Islam bad. You will have to read the news again to in order to know the motives for the terrorist attack. This is also a highly coordinated attack with international network. No one can actually confirm or deny if it not a state- sponsored terror attack. No one is sure.

aadoiza:
No one's won nothing. Amend your ways

This is emotional blackmail; your protest cannot shape my opinion.

aadoiza:
Humans of your ilk are the reasons the world is what is. Your botched attempts at trivialising the weight the word "invasion" holds in such context have shown to everyone the deviousness and devilry of your abjectly dark mind. One doesn't have to be a grammar fusspot to know intervention and invasion are not synonymous.
I don't have problems with your polemical comments but your proclivity to dissimulation on islamic subjects. After all, atheists slate Islam all the time and give me a good laugh in doing so.

Even the holy bible says: speak the truth, and the truth shall set you free.

Ok, you have won. The western powers 'invaded' the developing and Muslim world with impunity. Will you allow me have a breathing space now?

usermane:
You have unwittingly helped derail this thread by entertaining the Empyree's logical fallacy of Whataboutism.

Don't you see? Ngasky tried it with the Bible and Empyree's doing the same with US policies. Please, stick to the topic of the thread.

Of course if a thread is getting to 2 or 3 pages the tendency for derailment is high; many points would have been infused that might slightly dilute the thread. If, however, you take a proper look at my engagement with 'Empire', we are still on track. The discussion had been on 'free speech' in Islam and the issue of 'child marriage'. You are however right if you say we have deviated from the religious angle to a rather social angle in the discussion. The most important thing for us is to learn new things even while we disagree in some areas.

aadoiza:
Retorting the ad hominen drivel could not even camouflage your usually conflagrant insincerity and shenanigans. You always strike me as a dodgy fella, as far as your Islam section persona is concerned, that is, and your word play a few comments back just killed off the unreserved reservations I might have harboured as regards your honesty on islamic matters.
Empiree might not have raised an eyebrow over your mischievous use of "intervention" in place of invasion just so you could gloss away the insensitivity and cruelty of your all-loving America and her stooges but not everyone is so forgiving. Your loving former President Bush intervened, whatever that nonsense connotes, in the state of affairs of sovereign Iraq but came out to say he was sorry. Ain't it an irony, mate. He should rather have shoved his bloody penitence up his filthy arse.
Though this platform is a faceless forum, but always be in the knowledge that not everyone here is a dodo.

You seem to be directing your anger to the wrong person. It would have been better for you to engage the US' defense department, and the CIA, for their crime(s) in/against the developing world instead of 'sniffing' on the choice of word I use on nairaland. What difference does it make whether I use the word 'Intervention' or 'Invasion' in this context? You need take a chill pill and stop chasing shadows. I haven't seen any contribution you make on the topic under discussion except your 'fault-finding' exercise and childish tantrum. Grow up big man!

aadoiza:
Your comments in the Islam section invariably smack of mischief, deception, dissimulation, hypocrisy, and much worse dispositions. I'm definitely not on the cudgel here, certainly not. But can you tell me you honestly and truthfully mistook invasion for intervention?
Honest world-politics enthusiasts would cringe at the level of unabashed dishonesty you have just demonstrated.

Ad hominem attack! Teach me a better word I should have used instead of attacking my personality since you have a better understanding of international relations. Mind you, I am not posting on Nairaland to seek your patronage.

Empiree:
True2god,

First all, before I address your last post up there, from your responses, you can see reason why I said numerous times that op's hatred for Sharia laws is useless and irrelevant because everything he condemns Sharia or "traditional muslims" as he called us are similarly seen in modern Western societies.

So this begs question, what's his point exactly?. Also what's exactly CHRISTIANs problems for condemn Islam when everything is also done by them in the past (Christian crusade in medieval times) and modern time. So for him to open threads up and down maligning Islam makes no sense. It means he had ulterior motives.

I am equally confused. I don't know where 'usermane' stands; for the ummah or for the kafir. 'usemane' was initially sympathetic to Islam going by his old threads but seems to have drifted to the left; maybe more knowledge has taken hold of him but as I said earlier, it is very difficult to judge a man's intention. He is however close to Islamic 'apostasy' if he is not an apostate yet. I might be wrong though, I might have judged him wrongly; no man is perfect.

Empiree:
I have no objection against your write up. This is probably the best post of yours on NL in years. You seem to know the truth when you see one.

I don't do selective judgement; I condemn evil when I see one. For the fact that I identify as a christian does not mean I am only critical of Islam. In my office my christian colleagues see me as a backslider, an apostate, a pretender and an unbeliever for some of my critical view on Christianity, while on Nairaland, the Muslims see me as a kafir and an 'islamophobe' because of my often critical stance on some Islamic beliefs.

Empiree:
The only thing I am a little skeptical about is Ottoman downfall. These immoral attributes you linked to Ottoman, I'm learning first time from you mainly on homosexuality. I'm not denying at this moment but I would prefer you bring supporting evidence to validate your post.

The following link might help you on homosexuality during the Ottoman empire. Though some of the assertions might be subjective but you can study the issue indepently to reduce any sort of bias in your approach towards the issue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_history_in_Turkey
https://gagrule.net/homosexuality-in-the-ottoman-empire-praying-in-his-hand/
https://islamicommentary.org/the-roots-of-homophobia-and-anti-gay-sentiment-in-the-muslim-world-by-ali-olomi
https://historum.com/threads/decriminalization-of-homosexuality-in-ottoman-empire.100727/

Empiree:
Anything else you post I agree with. So you can perhaps speak less on the so called child marriage when they themselves have the worst. At least the so called "child" knows the father of her children unlike these outrageous Western kids.

I condemn child marriage whether in Islam or in the church. The US does not encourage prepubescent marriage; someone can be jailed for dating a minor. The problem is the US not encouraging sexual sanctity but promoting sex education.

Empiree:
Another thing I wanna talk about that is not necessarily part of this discussion but usermane did laid emphasis on it is "freedom of speech". He said traditional Islam (using Hadith) doesn't allow freedom of expression. Can he tell us why Julian Assange was arrested?. What crime did he commit other than the fact that he expressed and exercised his freedom of speech and freedom of information?. He may be extradited to US to face capital punishment.

Julian Assange issue is a political witch-hunt by the DNC, especially during and after the US presidential election which brought Donald Trump into power. The DNC are yet to recover from the loss and are going after anybody deemed responsible for Hilary Clinton's loss in the last US presidential elections. Besides, it de-classification of sensitive national security documents to some foreign powers is a grave risk to the US' national security. There is always press and speech freedom as long as such 'speech' is not a threat to national security.

Now relating this back to Islam and free speech, If I say Mohammed married a 6 yr old child, which can be found in the hadith, this is never a hate speech. If I say mohammed killed 600-900 Jews of Banu quraiza, which is contained in the sirah rasool Allah, this cannot be classified as a hate speech but a historical fact. If I Mohammed expelled/killed the Jewish tribe living in Khaibar, this is a historical facts that is recorded in both the sirah and the hadith. The kafir can see this as a bad phase during the early days of Islam while the muslims will see it as an attack against Islam and it prophet. It now depends on the side of the Isle you belong. Most of what kafir accuse Islam of are well documented in the hadith and the sirah; the Muslims can however provide a better explanation why those incidents took place.

Empiree:
This is the same thing username accused Muslims of especially Saudi and Iran. This is why I keep making examples from Western world anytime he accuses Islam of something. The same way he accused Muslims of child marriage while he turned blind eye elsewhere.

Ayatolla Khomeni refused to set age limit for marriage in Iran using the hadith as a justification while the saudis are yet to ratify the new age limit for marriage. As for the western world, they are spiritually and morally dead.

Empiree:
What does he have to say about Assange's arrest who was betrayed by Ecuadorian authority?. Where is his freedom of speech?

The issue not the Ecuadorian government but the British government who, by default, are known for their betrayal; they dont have morality and principle. They believe in the policy of 'self preservation'. This means that you can destroy anyone, anything, anybody, anywhere and/or every other people to protect your national interest. The British people destroyed the French navy and destroyed the Polish political structure (Polish govt in exile) during the second world war, to save their skin from the Germans and later from the Russians. The US put pressure on them and, instead of compromising their 'special relationship' with the US, they rather use him as a scape goat. This has always been the British foreign relation policy.

Empiree:
If someone says he is christian but does the exact opposite, what do you call the person?.

God has not appointed me a judge over my fellow human being, especially with respect to religious matter. Religious belief is subjective, usually a function of ones upbringing and/or environment.

Empiree:
This means nothing to me and not even related here. They can say whatever they want. The fact is, America is a christian nation confirmed by present president Trump and many American conservative. As for American conservative talk show host, Michael Savage, he said America was built on Judeo/Christian value. However, you will hear more Americans who are free thinkers or not affiliated with any religion tell you how they hate or don't want to hear about religion especially christianity. This has been war of word between Michael Savage and many political and religious contributors on his show. These people would say America is built on democracy and freedom. In any case, fact remains that most or all American presidents from day 1 till this moment and the senate and Rep had always been Jews, christians or non religious affiliation. So by official statistic, America is Judeo christian nation whether they are practicing or not. Whether they use Bible or Torah or not. The reason they have lots of excuses is bcuz of separation of church and state. But when they distribute charity, they do so on christian cause which widely known today as RED CROSSWell, Barrack Obama and Hillary Clinton will not agree with you. These people are currently the leaders in the DNC. I have watched my anti-christian programs on CNN and BBC. If US is a christian nation, the media establishment will respect Christianity but the opposite is true. I have watched Obama trashed Christianity and praised Islam many time (you can see these on YouTube), the same with Hillary Clinton. The US, as at today, is no more a 'christian' nation, according to the two politicians I listed. They know what both of us do not know before making that assertion. The US is a secure state built on the Judeo-christian principle which they have destroyed, immediatley after WW2, through liberalism, multi-multiculturalism and the so-called freedom (to do whatever you like).



[quote author=Empiree post=77793146]Nothin concerns me about West on Yemen even i know for a fact they have stuff to do with it. Saudi is very guilty 100%. We hold them accountable.

Thank God you know that the Saudi are culpable in the destruction of Yemen.

Empiree:
Honestly you need to live int he West or at least get yourself acquinted with their social affairs. Young girls as young as 11,12,13 either selling body or have boyfriends. No marriage. nothing but they having babies which these young guys would reject or there is always partternity question bcus a young girl sleeps around with multiple boys. This is what islam tries to protect. Do yourself a favor by subscribing to "Paternity Court" on Youtube and watch as much as you can. You will see disgusting social and reckless sexual behaviour of American girls. Assume this is your daughter fvking arounf with multiple boys and some even sleep with grown men. Which do you prefer?. Marry older men or have your daughter fvk around?. Be sincere to yourself bcuz, obviously you can not possibly control the girl in the West. SHe will tell you she has her life to live. So choose btw the two. The people condemning so called child marriage are very nasty in their own countries. Again remember these girl have babies without father for two reasons: either the father who is also a tiny tot is not ready for responsibilities or simply deny paternity.This is the reality. So people need to stop bringing up "child marriage" when they have nasty sexual behaviors. When they stop this then , only then they have the right to criticize child marriage.

I have over 150 videos of Judge Lauren Lake's paternity court cases on my system and I am almost addicted to her 'show'. I download at least 1 episode daily (at times 4 to 5 videos). The US is currently one of the most immoral nations on earth, by my own judgement. All forms or immorality (Homosexuality, Lesbianism, 'Transgenderism', 'Bi-sexualism', 'Beatialism', etc is sanctioned/protected by the state. These are signs of society and empire in decay. Any nation that has reached the pinnacle of her power, and about to be destroyed, will witness all these things. When the Ottoman was about to fall, they left their moral and just Islamic principle and started importing sex slaves, chattel slaves, homosexuality, etc hence the wrath of the gods came upon them and power was taken from them and given to the christian west. Now the christian west is 500% worst than the Ottoman, and from my subjective perspective, their downfall is imminent. That's how empire rise and fall; arrogance and immorality would take root.

Empiree:
And?. Other raise and religions also migrate. So what's the fuse?. Their leadership have compromise when it comes to Arabs the same way other 3rd world nations have compromised.

The people that put their countries in order will not migrate to another man's land en-mass. Over 80% of international migrants are from Muslim nations to non-Muslim nations. Muslim countries must put their countries in order to avoid their youth moving out of their countries.

Empiree:
Nope, there is more enlightenment in this day and age. Yet judeo christian world still oppress people. Palestine comes to mind. You can not prejudge that muslims will do it again. You are the one holding power now and we see through what you are doing.

Enlightenment does not stop oppression of the weak by the strong. Some Phd holders, despite their level of education, still oppress undergraduates. It is part and parcel of human nature. Even here in Nigeria, some tribes are oppressing other tribes with impunity, despite their religious zeal (let me stop here; I don't want us to talk politics).

Empiree:
Green Beret to Christian Discipleship

We all are behind enemy lines. A-teams are trained and well-armed with the finest in weaponry
and battlefield protection. Christians should also be according to Paul in; Ephsians6.10 Finally, be
strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God that you
may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. Then Paul tells us what the armor consist
of and how it helps: Ephsians6.13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God that you may be able to
withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm. 14 Stand therefore, having fastened
on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and, as shoes for your
feet, having put on the readiness given by the gospel of peace. 16 In all circumstances take up the
shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming darts of the evil one; 17 and take the
helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God, 18 praying at all times
in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end keep alert with all perseverance. Keep
alert with all perseverance could be the words spoken by a leader of a Green Beret A-team
before going on a mission.


Green Beret Team Is a military wing of christian disciples


This is the Biblical definition of a disciple; 2Timothy2
and what you have heard from me in the
presence of many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also. 3
Share
in suffering as a good soldier of Christ Jesus. 4 No soldier gets entangled in civilian pursuits,
since his aim is to please the one who enlisted him. A disciple is someone that learns and then
goes and teaches others to teach and they to become a disciple making disciples (force
multipliers). I want you to notice that God is even using military language; “soldier” in these
verses. Every Green Beret is a volunteer; and each of my fellow Green Berets would recognize
this language as coming from one of their own.

http://www.forthefathersministry.org/images/uploads/MasterGreen_Beret_Discipleship.pdf





And now, I just got this updated info attached. As long as those people exist CHRISTIANITY will always be implicated because your CHRISTIAN politicians' hands are unclean

You never provided any religious justification for the Green Beret. You need to separate the British culture from christian beliefs. You can as well tell me that Jacket and trouser is a 'christian' dressing.