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Empiree:
morning. Actually iftar is just about to begin in 5 mins where i am. It is almost 3AM.



perhaps you can quote where i said this?. What we believe is that, at the time of the advent of nabi Muhammad(SAW), message(Injil) given to Jesus(AS) was already distorted because Quran captured this. Quran only confirms truth left in it. Thats what Quran confirmed.



Prophet Muhammad(SAW) did not recognize Bible.




We only take from your present Bible what Quran confirms or what is in harmony with Quran.



Why are you shifting from Injil ro bible and bible to Injil?. Bibles that you have today are "according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. None of them is Bible according to Jesus. You failed.



You picked this fake news? Even cardinal(catholic) confirmed prophet MUhammad was God's prophet. This your post is too late to declare prophet of islam fake.




Fake news. It is well known that when nabi Muhammad(saw) reached Mecca, he spared lives of his enemies including Abu Sufyan(ra) and many others. No blood was shed. This was clear from his farewell sermon. You need to re-read your references very well especially Sunnah Abu Dawud 14:2677. I don't know how you managed to not understand despite written in english. The people were spared, my friend.





I quoted you tip of iceberg and you twisted it?. I even got more. But why should i waste my time when I already used your own bible author to crucify you?. My questions stands. Who were Matthew, mark, Luke and John?. On whose authority did they write thier Books?. Even Luke confessed from beginning of his letter that he knew knowing except what he was told. And you still want me to believe this was the Injil given to Jesus?.

Hope you are not in Afghanistan or Libya? Stay safe bro!

You said 'the Injil given to Jesus was already distorted'. You guys will just manufacture a claim without evidence. Where did the Quran say, specifically, that the Injil has been distorted? Why will Allah ask the Muslims to 'consult the people of a corrupted book' (the Jews and the Christians) for any clarification? It is either Allah or the Muslims are confused. I need you present hard evidence, and not gossip from your mosques, that the Torah and the Injil had been distorted at the time of Mohammed.

It is also intellectually dishonest for you to pick and chose, whatever suits for argument, the same book you claimed had been distorted. The Torah and the Injil are not hadith (rumours and gossips) where you chose what you like, like a basket of tomato.

What's the issue if I chose to call it the Bible or Torah and the Injil. Do you want to make another issue using semantics? The information is clear, don't hold onto a strawman please.

Which fake cardinal declared Mohammed as a prophet. That person need to resign from his cardinalship; he is as fake as Mohammed himself. Provide an official document from the papacy, the Catholic church, that recognized the prophethood of Mohammed and not a random guy who no one can easily identify.

You called my points that highlited what happened in Mecca, upon Mohammed's return, as a fake news. Then you must accept the fact that sunnah Abu Dawud is a fake hadith and seerah rasool Allah by ibn Ishaq is also fake. You you say this in Saudi Arabia, 'walahi', they will throw you inside jail for blasphemy. These are the names of the 5 people Mohammed killed, upon his return from Medina: See hadith below:

It was narrated from Mus'ab bin Sa'd that his father said:
"On the day of the Conquest of Makkah, the Messenger of Allah [SAW] granted amnesty to the people, except four men and two women. He said: 'Kill them, even if you find them clinging to the covers of Ka'bah.' (They were) 'Ikrimah bin Abi Jahl, 'Abdullah bin Khatal, Miqyas bin Subabah and 'Abdullah bin Sa'd bin Abi As-Sarh. 'Abdullah bin Khatl was caught while he was clinging to the covers of Ka'bah. Sa'eed bin Huraith and 'Ammar bin Yasir both rushed toward him, but Sa'eed, who was the younger of the two, got there before 'Ammar, and he killed him. Miqyas bin Subabah was caught by the people in the marketplace, and they killed him. 'Ikrimah traveled by sea, and he was caught in a storm. The crew of the ship said: 'Turn sincerely toward Allah, for your (false) gods cannot help you at all in this situation.' 'Ikrimah said: 'By Allah, if nothing came to save me at sea except sincerity toward Allah then nothing else will save me on land. O Allah, I promise You that if You save me from this predicament I will go to Muhammad [SAW] and put my hand in his, and I am sure that I will find him generous and forgiving.' So he came, and accepted Islam....(source: : Sunan an-Nasa'i hadith number 4067).

On your last point, I won't go searching for people's surnames, the alleged writers of the gospels. It is an irrelevant and a diversionary tactics I usually entertain from you. A'int gonna play that game with ya bro!

Empiree:


Many are reading your nonesensical posts

I am seriously honoured that people are mentioning my names in their private discussion, that's a good sign and it equally shows that many do acknowledge my contributions on NL. I challenged your local heavy weight champion, Mallam Ustaz Adepoju of ACADIP, for a debate but he ran away. My student, on November 7, 2018 in Ladi-lak bariga, Lagos, asked him some simple questions and he was dazed and confused all to the embarrassment of his audience.

Thank you once more for mentioning me in your private chats, it is good thing.

More references:

Baidawi (died 1286) writes:
“‘To me it has been revealed’, when naught has been revealed to him” refers to `Abdallah Ibn Sa`d Ibn Abi Sarh, who used to write for God’s messenger. The verse (23:12) that says, “We created man of an extraction of clay” was revealed, and when Muhammad reached the part that says, “… thereafter We produced him as another creature (23:14), `Abdallah said, “So blessed be God the fairest of creators!” in amazement at the details of man’s creation. The prophet said, “Write it down; for thus it has been revealed.” `Abdallah doubted and said, “If Muhammad is truthful then I receive the revelation as much as he does, and if he is a liar, what I said is a good as what he said.” (Tafsir Anwar al-Tanzil wa Asrar al-Ta’wil [by Abdallah ibn Umar Al-Baidawi])

Ibn Al Athir (1160-1233 AD) writes:
He converted to Islam before the conquest of Mecca and immigrated to the Prophet(P) [i.e. in Medina]. He used to record the revelation for the Prophet(P) before he apostatized and went back to Mecca. Then he told Quraysh: ‘I used to orient Muhammad wherever I willed, he dictated to me “All-Powerful All-Wise” and I suggest “All Knowing All-Wise” so he would say: “Yes, it is all the same.” (Ibn al-Athîr, Usûd Ulghâbah fî Ma’rifat Is-Sahâbah, 1995, Dâr al-Fikr, Beruit (Lebanon), Volume 3, p. 154)

Empiree:
You guys keep bringing up this excuses. When Qur'an tails about Tawrah and Injil, it is not taking about Torah and Gospel/Bible you have today. There are glaring evidences within these books to suggest that current Torah and Gospel are diluted/corrupted/distorted.

For inside current Torah says it is unlawful for the Jews to charge their fellow Jews interest on a loan. Also said it is Jews should not eat okubete but they can give okubete to non-jews because they are less than humans. So you think this double standards book called Torah is from God?. In the current Torah also said where Moses was buried which means someone else wrote Torah not Moses. Current Torah is pirated copy of the original.




over the years on this platform, we discussed this issue. Don't tell me you have short memory. Have you forgotten the days of ifeann where we talked in details?. And now you gonna ask me to show you the thread. This is ridiculously silly. Why do you need Quran to prove this when you have unsubstantiated unknown authors of your books?

Here is a hint from Quran and we have some more


Sura 2:79:

So woe unto those who write the book with their hands, then say, “This is from God,” that they may sell it for a paltry price. So woe unto them for what their hands have written and woe unto them for what they earn.


The book mentioned in this verse refers to no other than previous revealed books which he's and Christians have tampered with. Therefore it is talking about corruption in Torah and Gospel.








your Bible is it's own worse enemy. You shamelessly ignore Mathew Mark Luke and John. What's their last names?. Sometime without last name had no credibility.




another recycle post. Why are you doing this to yourself, true2god?. You know too will this was discussed. So no, Quran is not telling us to ask you for guidance. It is rather talking about specific incident at the time.

Good morning bro, hope you have eaten so well this morning before starting your 'fasting'. That's a good strategy.

Back to the business at hand. you said the Bible of today is not the Bible of Mohammed's time, that's OK. Can you please show us the Bible Mohammed was talking about, that he asked you guys to use as a reference? I am 1000% sure that no Muslim has it because the lie (the Bible is distorted) must be maintained to valid to Quran. The Quran contradicts the Bible hence Muslims must find an easy way out by condemning the Bible to give Quran its validity.

You quoted an ayah to make your point as read below:

So woe unto those who write (present tense) the book (Quran) with their hands, then say, “This is from God,” that they may sell it for a paltry price. So woe unto them for what their hands have written and woe unto them for what they earn.

Take a look that ayah, it says 'who write' (not wrote) to confirm that it is a present (continuous) tense. The Torah and the jnjil had been completely written over 500 years before Mohammed was born. No one was writing any Torah and the Injil at the time of Mohammed; what was being written is your own Quran.

I have told you the reason why this ayah was revealed but Muslims will always stubbornly want to pin all the inadequacies of their scriptures on the Bible. 'Kilode gan!' (what's it!). You are a student of Islamic studies and I want to believe you are aware that Mohammed was an illiterate man hence he employed the services of secretaries to do the writings of the Quran for him while he dictated. And among the secretaries he employed, in Medina, was Abdullah ibn Saar, the half brother of Uthman ibn Affan (the 3rd rightly guided khalifa). The ayah was referring to him because he used to manufacture his own words into the Quran and Mohammed will concur. He therefore reasoned that Mohammed can never be a prophet and the Quran was not from any Allah hence he left Islam and went back to Mecca to tell the Meccans that Mohammed was fake.

When Mohammed conquered Mecca, he marked 6 people to be killed even if they are found in the cotton of kabba and among them is Abdullah ibn Saar. While other five people (3 men and 2 women) were brutality murdered, Uthman ibn Affan hid Abdullah ibn Saar for about 3 months, so that the situation of things could calm, he then presented him to Mohammed to seek his forgiveness and equally pay allegiance (the shahada) to Mohammed. Mohammed initially declined but accept his allegiance but reluctantly did in order not to upset one of his strongest generals, Uthman ibn Affan. He (Mohammed) however berated his body guards and asked them why they did not strike his neck when he refused his allegiance in the first place. Read references below, they are all Islamic sources.

(Sirat Rasul Allah by Ibn Ishaq, page. 550,
Tabaqat Al-Kabir, page. 174,
Sunnah Abu Dawud 14:2677,
Sunnah Abu Dawud 38:4345,
Sunnah Abu Dawud 38:4346,
Mazda Publishers, Costa Mesa, CA 1994], pp. 98-99).

All the materials listed above can be found in your Islamic stores and were written by your fellow Muslims. Sunnah Abu Dawud is a hadith graded as sahih and it has a multiple chains of narrations to support this fact. Your earliest biographer of Mohammed, Ibn Ishaq, also wrote about this incident.

So the verse you wanna pin on Christians was actually talking about some of Mohammed's companions who were doctoring what he was dictating and the incident was presented as a present tense (write) which shows that there was a work in progress in the writing of the book. Be logical bro so that you don't follow the large Islamic bandwagon that keep telling lies concerning your scriptures.

Empiree:
lol... This was not even long ago. This was just maybe 2-3 weeks ago and you contributed. You chose to bring this up again. Isn't onus on you to look for it?



smh... Even after evidences are presented to you?.





your opinion. You believe that Jesus is God and ultimately you believe "That Lord's prayer" is God's words. So was God speaking to himself when he said:



Our father in the heaven

Give us this day our daily bread

Forgive us our tresspasses



Here, God is teaching his desciples how to implement prayers. In the same instance Allah is teaching Muslims how to pray. In another word, sura fathia in summation of Quran. It is absolute word of God - Allah.

Just provide the link where this issue was discussed, that's all. You can go to your browse history and recall the page.

Comparing the Lord's prayer with your hateful al-fathiha is an insult to Christians world over. Read your al-fathiha again, together with the tafsir, to see how hateful the prayer is, especially the 6th and 7th verse.

And again, the Bible never said the father dictated, in verbatim, each words and letter in the Torah and the jnjil, Muslims made a claim that the Quran is the words of Allah words by words and letters by letters which is a lie as surah al-fathiha had exposed you guys. The disciples of Jesus asked him to teach them how to pray hence the popular 'Lord's prayer' and not the 'Oluwole' al-fathiha.

Matthew 6:7-13 New International Version (NIV):

And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
“This, then, is how you should pray:

“‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
your kingdom come, 10
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us today our daily bread. 11
And forgive us our debts, 12
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation, 13 [ a]
but deliver us from the evil one.

Can you see that it is a prayer format and a style to pray and not necessarily an official prayer pattern? It is an hint on how to pray so that you don't keep repeating the same thing, day-in-day-out, in your solat.

As a take away, don't ever compare Jesus' Lord's prayer to your caliphs' sanctioned al-fathiha because Allah didn't give you any specific instruction to recite it. Good night!

Empiree:
first of all, you know how investigative journalism works?. You know when police investigate someone but they mistook their target for someone else and they go after the later bcuz their names are identical?. So police would call whoever of them they are able to interview to determine who the criminal is. Let's say for instance police are looking for true2god whose last name is "true2god Adelaide". But they found "true2god adebakr" and another true2god who they can't confirm his last name. Now these are three suspected terrorists. Police would be confused automatically and try to unravel which one.

You see 2 true2gods would suffer lots of police trauma even though they are innocent bcuz the true criminal is a true2god who doesn't have last name. Therefore true2god without last name can not be verified and he got away with it.


In another word, what is the last name of Mathew, Mark, Luke and John?. The first thing police do when they interview is to find out full name to establish accuracy and authenticity of the suspect. Therefore, using this standard, Mathew Mark Luke and John are unverifiable. No one knows their lineage and their last name.

But if you read hadith, you will always read last names of the narrators and sub-narrators. For instance, AbdulRahma Ibn Awf. Umar ibn Khattab. Uthman ibn Affan. Ali ibn Talib etc. Ibn means the son of and we can trace their family tree.


Can you successfully trace family tree of Paul, Mathew Mark Luke and John?. This is the reason why they are fraud. I didn't say this out of arrogant but for you to think. If you can not establish last name of recipient of a check worths $3m you can't give the check out. Otherwise you may eventually give away $3m to unknown.

Also it is no doubt that there are unknown Bible authors/writers apart from chronological Gospels. What a mess, bro?.

The Quran acknowledged the Torah and the Injil which shows that it was in circulation at the time of Mohammed and I asked you to prove to me that the Torah and the Injeel are fraudulent, using your standard materials, the Quran and the hadith, even the seerah. Is this too difficult a request? The truth is that you cannot use your Quran to condemn the Bible because Allah, in the Quran, acknowledged it as 'his' words (tho the Christians and the Jews do not recognise Allah). It is Muslims who manufacture lies to invalidate the Bible and Allah must be angry with you guys.

Muslims always disobey Allah in order to diminish the Jews and the Christians. Hear Allah told you;

Q:10:94 - So if you - [O Arab Messenger] - are in doubt, about that which We have revealed to you [O Arab Messenger], then ask those who have been reading the Book from before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters.

It seems Muslims are more knowledgeable than Allah who asked them to be humble and consult 'the people of the book' to validate what was written in the Quran . You also tried to create a strawman by claiming that the surnames of the writer of the Bible were not provided, you should have asked Allah who, having this knowledge but did not make an issue out of it. Muslims always seem to be more intelligent than Allah.

Empiree:
do yourself a favor man. Go back to previous pages in this thread or there is another thread created by this op or his partner called adeyinka and look for answers there. We just talked about this and it seemed yourself contributed. Why are you guys recycling all over again?. Sura Fathia is Word of Allah. It is a summation of the entire Qur’an, and the verses of addressing Allah (“You alone do we worship…”) are sent by Allah to us, to teach us the most proper way of turning to Him and calling on Him in supplication.



so organizational structure of Quran is your headache now and not the message?. These things your are asking are evangelical in nature. They aren't new man. Quran says:




وَقُرْآنًا فَرَقْنَاهُ لِتَقْرَأَهُ عَلَى النَّاسِ عَلَىٰ مُكْثٍ وَنَزَّلْنَاهُ تَنْزِيلًا

And (it is) a Qur'an that We have divided, that thou mayst recite it unto mankind at intervals, and We have revealed it by (successive) revelation.

Al Quran 17.106







The order of the Qur’an was dictated to the Prophet pbuh from Allah swt. Kindly read attachments

Which previous post are you talking about? If you are sure it had bee. discussed, just provide the link and stop this your old tactics of saying 'the issue has been tackled' in order to escape from an issue.

According to Muslims, all the words in the Quran are words of Allah from A to Z. It does not contain any word of a mortal man. Well let's look at your sura al-fathiha (Quran 1:1-7):

"In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds,
The Beneficent, the Merciful:
Owner of the Day of Judgment,
Thee (alone) we worship; Thee alone we ask for help.
Show us the straight path,
The path of those whom Thou hast favored;
Not (the path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray."

My analysis:

Since the Quran is the alleged words of Allah, so Allah started in surah by praising himself:

"In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds,
The Beneficent, the Merciful:
Owner of the Day of Judgment,'

Allah again said: 'Thee (alone) we worship; Thee alone we ask for help'. Allah worshipped Allah and sought help from Allah.

Allah said again: 'show us the straight path (Islam), the path of those whom thou hast flavoured (Muslims), not the path of those who earned your anger (the Jews) or of those who go astray (the Christians).

You have really tried to deceive yourself that Allah was the one speaking in surah al-fathiha, but you cannot deceive me. Surah al-fathiha is not the words of any Allah but the prayers of one of the early caliphs added to the Quran as the pre-amble, the opener. Do your independent research with an open mind and you will see that you have been brainwashed to believe a lie.

A simple knowledge of grammar will tell you that surah al-fathiha is a supplication Muslim recite to a higher power which Muslims fraudulently included in the Quran instead of opening the Quran with the real beginning of the alleged revelation, which is surah 96.

Empiree:
See @bold that was revealed first. Feel comfortable now?. I am sure the former was answered some weeks ago by different contributors including myself. If you are not comfortable with our answers, Deal With It

Clap for yourself for choosing a more convenient one to answer. You have however refused to answer the 'koko', that is who spoke in surah al-fathiha.

As for your answer, if Allah revealed surah 96 first, why did uthman Ibn Affan (the man that compiled the quran) not make it the first surah of the Quran? If the surah of the Quran can be arranged randomly, without considering the sequence of event, what confident do you have in a book that lacks basic 'organizational structuring'? The quran, because of this problem, is to be recited because it won't make any logical sense reading it as a result of how the surah and the ayah were arranged. I nearly have a serious headache while reading the Qur'an because it was poorly written and badly arranged. All the books by Prof. Wole Soyinka are all 10000% organized than your Quran. Pick up Wole Soyinka's novel and pick up the Quran, read both side by side and see which makes more sense.

Take away pack, who spoke in surah al-fathiha?

sagenaija:
Looks like you are afraid to answer the question.
Perhaps it will expose your underbelly.
A simple question and you are unable to answer?

I will be patient with him, to answer, till an A/C will be installed in hell. He is being evasive, his usual trademark. He is a good friend (my customer 'dada ni') and I will patiently wait for his answer.

Empiree:
Bible writers were fraudulent. We have proved this.

Show me this 'proof' using the Quran and the hadith (your standard source material).

Empiree:
knowing that it was answered already either in this thread or the other thread by you or yinka?. Why do you think I should bother myself over again?

Uncles 'empire', you refused to touch my questions, 'wetin I do you nau?' Just tell me who spoke in sura al-fathiha 'opari'. And since the Quran was masterfully written and arranged, just kidding, which is meant to come first, surah al-fathiha or surah alaqa (surah 96)?

Is the Quran a clear book from Allah, without ambiguity? If yes, why do you need the hadith to interprete the Quran?

Did the entity Mohammed encountered told Mohammed he was Jubril? How did he confirm that a demon did not speak to him at the cave of hirah?

@ OP, please answer my questions:
Did Allah speak to Mohammed directly? Please provide reference.

AlBaqir:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGSBl53JBJg

I have watched the video and I think you can make comment without posting videos. it is more expensive using ones data watching videos.

War with Iran is not a popular support among the mainstream media and politicians. Tucker Carlson is a staunch supporter of Donald Trump and him to have a biased towards this policy, it shows that it was (war with Iran) not a well thought idea. However, Iran resumption of the enrichment of uranium, at their nuclear site, will surely galvanize another sort of hostility. If the US does not act, the Israelis and the Saudis with act. Israel had made it clear that they will NEVER tolerate a nuclear Iran, while the Saudis have vowed to pursue their nuclear power program if Iran should acquire nuclear weapon.

These are the political dynamics that you have failed to consider. A nuclear Iran is an existential threat to Israel. Remember, the mad Ayatollahs always said in their delusional messages, that the 12th 'Mahdi' will not come until they have apocalyptic battle with the Jews. No sane country will sit idle while his adversary develop a weapon to fulfil a delusional prophecy that will affect his corporate existence. The truth is this, even without any US involvement, which I seriously doubt, the Israelis and the Iranians will surely slog it out. Iran believes they have the divine mandate to destroy the Jews right from the days of king Cyrus the great.

AlBaqir:
IRAN WAR MIGHT JUST BE A DECOY

RT is the defacto news agency of Iran after Russia. This is pure propaganda. No one can impeach prez Trump till 2024 when he would have completed his 8years in office. Donald Trump does not like Iran the same way Barrack Hussein Obama does not like Israel.

AlBaqir:
Sometimes you sound intelligent and a times you sound stark ignorant. On the first video, you saw those as propaganda and so much believe your American god will just roll over Iranian just like that. Like I said you made god of U.S. despite you denying it. Anyway, na your opinion be that.

In the second video, because it was an analysis by an American, you quickly believed it and called it "sound". So did he hyped Iranian strength too since U.S. is god to you?



Iran’s TERRIFYING military strength REVEALED: Tehran tensions with US soar

On Sunday the US carried out a simulated military exercise in the Arabian Sea to show Washington’s “lethality and agility to respond to threat”. Iran boasts one of the most powerful militaries in the world - and the second-strongest in the Middle East - according to shock analysis by warfare experts. Global Fire Power (GFP) reviewed Iran’s military strength this year and ranked it 14 out of the 137 nations analysed so far.

 https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1130781/iran-news-US-war-iran-military-strength-us-military-middle-east


Lastly, Obama did not bribed Iran. That's clearly show your ignorance or mentality of the fool in the white house. For your information if you don't know or reminder if you forgot, Iran simply won what belonged to her. It was their money and they've been in the case to get the money back before you were born (I guess). Obama administration was simply cornered to pay the money which was due as part of nuclear deal.

Iran and the US should find a common ground to avoid further escalation. Releasing military propaganda videos will not help matter when it turns from cold war to real war. If any incident happened in the Persian gulf, the Iranians will be fighting on their soil while an average American will be watching the conflict on TV with popcorn in their hands.

And again, what have the Saudis said in all these incidence? Nothing, because they want to see a great rival destroyed once and for all. Where is the unity of the ummah? I forget, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

LuciferQuran:
It's funny how Nigerians spread hate against migrants in their own land while they demand various rights as (illegal) migrants overseas.

Fulani herdsmen are peace-loving tourists and should be allowed to visit every nook & cranny of this country until their exploratory thirst is satisfied. This was how Amerigo Vespucci founded America.

Truth is, Nigeria actually need Fulani herdsmen to unlock her potential.
Let's stop being sentimental for once & support them!




*spits

You mean their :killing' potentials?

AlBaqir:
TRUMP says THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX IS PRESSURISING HIM TO WAR WITH IRAN


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08j-kaXHobY

A great video, the analysis was sound. What you failed to understand is that policy is shaped by govt in power and not journalists. Before the Iraqi invasion, some media houses condemned the plan, including the current President, but Prez Bush went ahead and the result was catastrophic because Iraq, in the next 20 years, can never be organized and nothing tangible was achieved in the war.

On Iran, you will remember that between 2015 and 2016 the Iranian navy (their speed boat) was harassing a nuclear powered naval task force and their aircraft carrier. What do you think? A small canoe harassing a merchant ship! The Iranians were even bold enough to capture US sailors, filmed them crying and posted it on the internet. What did Obama do? He begged Iran and gave them 1.4billion dollar in raw cash for their bad behavior.

A new sheriff is now in town that will not tolerate that bad behaviour. You don't threaten a nuclear and a superpower which Iran did in the past. A superpower will be arrogant of course; the Persians at the height of their power was equally arrogant and was invading countries too. Go and read the history of the Persians. If tomorrow Iran becomes a superpower their arrogance will be worse than that of the US, just take a look at the Ottoman empire of yesterday and you will see the ways the invaded and destroyed Christian land in eastern Europe. The effect of the occupation of the Ottomans still have a bad effect in eastern Europe till date making it hard for them to catch up with western Europe in terms of technological advancement.

Do not come here to pretend as if Iran is clean and will not do the worse if the reverse is the case. Just like the Ottomans, the medieval Persian empire was built of the blood and sufferings of their neighbours.

Come to the local level here in Nigeria, hope you can see the arrogance and the impunity of the Fulani people in corporate Nigeria? Read the current statement of Olusegun Obasanjo on this issue. If a backward Islamic Fulani people can be so arrogant in corporate Nigeria, how much more a more advanced Iranian people if they control global power?

AlBaqir:
IRAN READY TO RETALIATE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Rc0aVvm1Rs

I love this propaganda video. Mind you, in a real war scenario where men are under pressure, over 80% of those missiles will not fly, the Iranian navy and airforce will not move up to 20 nautical mile without being destroyed, even if they are manned by the Russians. I doubt if the Iranian revolutionary guard can last 3 day and night engagement without being COMPREHENSIVELY destroyed. The problem is the neighbour and the refugee crisis it will create. I can bet you, the Sunni neighbours will not take it shia refugees from Iran.

The Ayatollahs have called for peace; but displaying propaganda video is like a footballer doing ball joggling to prove his fitness but cannot endure a 45-minute soccer match. I support Iran but they should avoid any form of military conflict, or there won't be any country officially called Iran again, according to Donald Trump (not me).

Empiree:
see desperation

I know your faith in Christianity is half & half

You made a claim:
Bible writers were fraudulent. We have proved this.

And I asked you:
Simple exercise, who spoke in surah al-fathiha (Quran 1:1-7)? Second exercise, which of the surah is meant to come first, surah 1 or surah 96?

I have asked you guys these questions over 20times without any response. I am giving you another opportunity to respond; I know you are capable.

sapientia:
But every portion of the Bible have been written before Mohammed was born.

So how could the writers have done it?

www.abdullahsameer.com/blog/abdullah-ibn-abi-sarh/

https://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Sources/sarh.html

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur'an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Corruption_of_the_Qur'an

The links above will give you an insight of how the Quran was compiled. The truth is out and no Muslims can lie to us that the Quran was inspired by any God.

Empiree:
Bible writers were fraudulent. We have proved this.

Simple exercise, who spoke in surah al-fathiha (Quran 1:1-7)? Second exercise, which of the surah is meant to come first, surah 1 or surah 96?

Empiree:
Redeem comes to mind.



it means they are even close to the truth than other fake christians.



Yet majority of christians glorify jerusalem and support it as the religious capital of israel.



No, you going to Jerusalem is a waste of time. Ever wonder why nigeria recently attach with jerusalem pilgrimage in recent years?

Blocking public roads is a problem associates with Islam worldwide and most western countries have to enact laws to address this public nuisance. Drawing redeem church into this argument shows that you guys are not ready to address this social problem.

The Bhudist and the Hindus also bow down while worshipping their gods hence they are equally closer to the truth, according to your logic. Even Ifa priest also bow their heads to Ifa, and so what's your point?

As for going to Jerusalem or mecca for pilgrimage, it is for business (for the transport agents) and brainwashing for the people wasting their money going there. If God won't answer your prayer in Nigeria he won't still answer even if you go to Mecca, connect to Medina and take the next flight to Jerusalem, God will not answer. God is not limited to time, space or distance.

If you have any plan going to Mecca, don't waste it bro. Look around and use the money to help the poor and the needy around you and God will bless your generation for that. Stop enriching the airline companies and the agents in the name of 'pilgrimage'. Black people should have sense.

Empiree:
5-6?. Anyone eating this time is have breakfast.. You really have no idea what you talking about. Right now it 3:30 AM where I am and sahur time is almost over which means i woke around 2:50-3AM to eat. So that' a difficult time to stay awake needless to say to eat.




Say that you made mistake @bold. And our Ramadan is made public bcuz we must sight the moon and anounce to the muslim world the start of Ramadan. If this makes you uncomfortable, deal with it. Don't you announce your xmas, easter, palm sunday Ash wednesday, Hanukkah etc?. Why is Ramadan publicity an issue for you?

It seems every Muslim has his own 'sunnah' of the prophet. My neighbours, everyday, wake up 4:30am to eat 'sari' and by 5;30am they are through. They eat well, I mean to full capacity, to take them till evening while they whine during the day saying 'awe tin gbomi' (I am being weakened by today's fasting), 'maa yomi lenu jare, mo n gbawe' (stop disturbing me because I am fasting), and some other clownish excuses.

There is no issue making an official announcement for the commencement of ramadan, the issue is the daily clowning by Muslims that they are fasting as if someone forced them to.

Empiree:

Why does Muslim take delight in blocking public road when doing sollat? As par the second picture, the Celestial church of Christ picture, that's how the bow in worship in all denominations in Nigeria day-in-day-out. Have you visited their church before to confirm. Stop being economical with the truth to make a point. Besides, Christians do not attach much importance to Jerusalem the same way Muslims do to mecca; Muslims have set up, as a center of their religious, a place which formerly hosted about 360 idols (now remains one), as a qibla for prayer.

Jesus said:

Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you say that in Jerusalem is the place where people ought to worship.” Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for
salvation is from the Jews. But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship.(John 4:20-23).

So going to Jerusalem and mecca is both a waste of time and money. Most of the most corrupt Muslim leaders always meet in mecca to discuss their next political steps. You and I know this as fact.

Empiree:
How do you fast in your religion?.

Our morning meal is not essentially morning meal. It is fixed around the time that it is difficult to wake up needless to say to eat. Otherwise, it becomes breakfast. So our meal is not breakfast. It is Sahur. It must be consumed before the thread appears.

You mean it is difficult for one to wake up at 5-6am and eat well enough to sustain one till evening so that you can eat well again to sustain you till next morning. Islamic 'fasting' is a real joke devoid of any spiritual benefit and a public display of religious stunts. Do you know how the Hindus fast and do you know they also fast? Have you seen an MFM, Redeem members, etc fast. They do but will not make a public display of it like the Muslims do. In fact you must not know that these people are fasting because if they make a public 'show' of it, like the biblical Pharisees, their fasting will be void.

malvisguy212:
oh, my brother, truthman2012 , I miss you bro.

the op want to start what is bigger than his imam.

I think the guy is new on Nairaland. He will soon run away by the time he couldn't answer any question again. Maybe he thinks we are ignorant of Islam. Even his sheik will shake his head after he gets intellectually beaten here. We are waiting for him; it seems he is still breaking his fast.

cleanvessel:
Hello bro.

.....truthman

Hey 'truthman', where have you been? it's been a while, welcome back bro!

BabyApple:
Salamualekum bro.. Please dont engage him anymore.

Is the Quran a clear book from Allah, without ambiguity? If yes, why do you need the hadith to interprete the Quran?

BabyApple:
Salamualekum bro.. Please dont engage him anymore.

Did the entity Mohammed encountered told Mohammed he was Jubril? How did he confirm that a demon did not speak to him at the cave of hirah?