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najib632:
You're a foolish and stupid kaafir, You don't even know the story of bilal but you claim to have a great book of seerah on your laptop, everyone knows Abubakar R.A. saved bilal from torture by buying him as a slave and freeing him. You come here to talk about things you don't know, this is a sign of stupidity.

So the sirah is now a great book after the Nairaland Muslims have condemned it as fake. The story of how Bilal was bought is recorded in the hadith. You cannot get a full info on him in the sirah.

najib632:
You're a slanderer and lier, show me where I said Muhammad S.A.W and his companions freed all their slaves, stupid lier. I said Muhammad S.A.W did not die owning any slave, if he did provide an evidence for me that he did.

Can you quote the source of your claim from an authentic Islamic tradition?

najib632:
If you did your research you wouldn't be talking out of gross ignorance with all pride. You have all this books but you don't read them. You're a usless lier.

I think I do more research on Islam than you. I have been studying Islam for over 5 years.

najib632:
Hahahahaha you're very funny do you think some one needs education to become civilised? The numerous northerners that are stark illiterates but engage in businesses around the world are not considered as traders right? Muhammad S.A.W was not a book keeper you lier, he was only a salesman any one that says prophet Muhammad S.A.W knew how to read or write is a lier. She employed Muhammad S.A.W as some who would look after her trade

Can you provide a single example of a northern start illiterate that conduct international business. You dont just make a claim in a bid to justify your prophet being a stark illiterate. Why are you even celebrating Mohammed's illiteracy?

najib632:
Hahahahaha, you baffle me a lot. You think Islam is mere play and that an ignorant person can challenge it at anytime? Well anyone who thinks so is stupid. Even I will not challenge an Ahlul kitaab or even a Hindu or Buddhist without understanding the theology of their religion, practicises and the reason they do it and if possible the ones who innovated things into their religion. The best scholars are the best researchers. You think men like Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal, Imam Malik ibn Anas, Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Az-zuhuri, Imam Al-Bukhari, Imam Muslim, Imam Annawawiy are Joblessness and stupid individuals who wasted their time on nonsense? This are men who have memorized the Qur'an and studied the Hadith and Seerah critically and confronted those who fabricate lies and sayings and attribute them to the messenger of Allah S.A.W. All these men I mentioned above spent countless of hours reading, researching and learning and filtering lies from the statements of the messenger of Allah S.A.W. Go and learn how uncompromising these scholars were when it came to the religion of Allah. Read about the dream Imam As-shafi'i had about Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal and how Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal persisted when he was persicuted. Hadith is a science it's more than what your feeble mind thinks about it.

Islam, just like other religions, is never a rocket science. Besides, many of your so-called trusted hadith has been deemed fabricated and weak. What were the so-called 'scholars' compiling for their works to be categorized as either fabricated, weak and authentic hadith? And mind you, all the fabricated, weak and authentic hadith are still in circulation and sold in Islamic libraries worldwide.

najib632:
All those men you mentioned never claimed prophethood and if they did they would be regarded as mad men and stupid idiots just as the several men who made this claim through out history. Allah made prophet Muhammad S.A.W an illiterate because of people like you who will claim that he was an intelligent man. Do you even have any idea how hard the ancient kuffic script was? Do you know how hard the scholars of Islam worked to simplify the Arabic writing? Uthman R.A may Allah bless his efforts, the western culture is different from Islamic culture. To the westerners if you burn a book you disrespect it but in islam if you burn a Qur'an it's to save it from disrespect, you either burn it or you bury it or soak it. The Muslims were on the front lines during the time of Uthman R.A. in an area named Azerbaijan and an argument occured between the Tabi'een about which style of recitation of the Qur'an was better and it nearly resulted to a physical fight, but a companion named Hudaithafa ibn al-yaman stopped them from fighting and told them that the differences occur from the messenger of Allah S.A.W himself. So he rushed back home to Medina after the battle and told Uthman R.A. to do something about the difference in the versions of the Qur'an because he fears that the Muslims might become divided and fight against one another by claiming that the Qur'an is of different versions. So Uthman R.A. Ordered everyone to burn their own versions of the Qur'an, that is the other 6 dialects of recitation and use only the one in the dialect of the Quraish. Then he ordered copies of the Qur'an in the Quraish dialect should be written and with each copy he sent along a famous reciter of the Qur'an and ordered the Muslims to do away with their copies of the Qur'an and copy from the ones he sent to them and that's why today's most popular version of the Qur'an is the Uthmanic version and even those other versions still exist and scholars know about them and the students and scholars of the Qur'an learn about them and know the differences in them. Secured is the Qur'an from any mad person that tries to tamper with.

The question you need to ask yourself is: where is the manuscript which Uthman Ibn Affan used in copying the current quran? It has been burnt and nowhere to be found. The major reason for compiling the quran is because many people that committed part of it to memory were dying in battle, especially the battle of Yamama. Some ayah were lost as a result of the death of the hafiz which were never recovered. Read your history! Aside from standardizing it for uniformity in language, the primary reason for the compilation is for preservation since many memorizes were dying day by day.

najib632:
I have seen and read about Christian scholars and Jewish scholars accepting Islam after reading the Qur'an and asking questions. The truth is obvious and Allah guides only those who are sincere, but can you name for me a single scholar if Islam who became apostate in the ancient or modern times? It is also obvious that they temper with their books e.g the Christians always adding and removing verses from the bible every year, the Jews removing and twisting verses to suit them like when they changed the verse revealed to them against taking interest they changed it to taking interest from fellow jews is not permissible but it is permissible to take from others. And many false stories in their books, like Suleiman A.S. idolating (I seek refuge in Allah from such lies)

If I name Islamic apostates who were scholars and sheiks will you leave Islam? People swap religion everyday, stop be ignorant.

najib632:
Look at this guy @bolded do you not say that Dawud A.S. fornicated and repented, do you not say that Suleiman A.S. had 700 wives and 300 concubines? How many leud and explicit and filthy statements do you attribute to Suleiman A.S in the songs of solomon? You think I make statements without atleast a bit of evidence? I am not like you, who speaks from ignorance. If you behaved how you used to I wouldn't have been harsh but you try to make us look stupid and I will not allow that.

Dont put words into my mouth; quote me where I made such statement.

najib632:
Very foolish statement the religion with Allah is Islam any one who follows any other religion apart from the religion of monotheism and belief in Isa ibn Mariam A.S as the messiah messaih and that Muhammad S.A.W is the last and final messenger of Allah is a disbeliever and is bound to be in hell forever. The name of prophet Muhammad S.A.W was mentioned to the Jews, the location of his birth and the day he will migrate to Medina were all mentioned to them, but yet they disbelieved. Have you asked yourself what Jews were doing in Medina when their home was faraway in Palestine? Simple logical analysis you cannot do and by Allah if you need the verses I shall provide them, even from the books of the Hindus there's the prophecy of Muhammad S.A.W his parents names were mentioned, his attributes and actions. Any one who witnessed the truth but doesn't accept or refuses to reason is on his own, as Allah will only have mercy on those who were ignorant and judge them by their good and bad deeds.

Stop preaching and present evident for your claim. Where, in the Bible, was Mohammed mentioned? You are getting more confused even trying to search for Mohammed in the Hindu scriptures. You sound very childish and immature. Have you seen/read the Hindu scripture before? You better concentrate your search for Mohammed in the Jewish and christian scriptures which has always proved elusive.

najib632:
What's up about is an illiterate man that has never seen where two rivers meet talking about it

You guys always celebrating Mohammed's alledge illiteracy with pride. It is only in Islam that Mohammed's illiteracy is a thing of joy instead of being a grave concern. For the sake of argument, even if Mohammed was an illiterate man, he could still see, speak and hear. He surely heard this from a secondary source and no any god reveal any stuff to him.

And Fya, many of his sahabas were equally illiterate yet they committed many part of the quran to memory. There is a big difference between being an illiterate and being dumb. A man can be an illiterate but yet smart and intelligent while some can be lettered but cannot think critically.

najib632:
The Qur'an knew about this phenomenon 1400 years ago and clearly calls it a barrier, and that barrier is the difference in density. Knew age idiots claiming that they know everything when they haven't even finished exploring the earth they're exploring the universe.

You made a claim that nowhere was it recorded that there was a 'barrier' between see till Allah revealed it to Mohammed about 1400 years ago. 'Tintinz' provided a passage from the Bible where similar event was recorded long before Mohammed/Islam, why are you guys now shifting the goal post? The truth is that Mohammed was not deaf and dump when he was alive; he definitely heard the story from people around him before concocting it into his quran. You are one of the lazy students that still believe that Mungo Park discoered River Niger. I am very sure that, to you, Mungo Park, is also a prophet.

najib632:
You think you're so smart eh? Well this is the wrong Muslim to try that with, you must provide your proof from the Qur'an or Hadith or seerah that there were Jews and Christians practising in Mecca, you must cite this. You don't even know what you're challenging. Provide an evidence from the Seerah of ibn ishaq. Then we can proceed to assumptions, small boy, you think becoming a scholar is easy.

You seem very ignorant of your religion. The Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayza and Banu Nadir were in mecca long before Islam. The Jewish people of Khaibar was also in saudi arabia long before Islam.

najib632:
Hahahahaha, you're a very funny person, scholar who doesn't know that prophet Muhammad S.A.W had a secretary named Zaid bin Thabit R.A. who the messenger of Allah S.A.W used to ask to record the Qur'an when ever there was a new revelation. No one knew the secrets of the messenger of Allah S.A.W like this man, this was a man that the messenger of Allah S.A.W told everything including all the names of the hypocrites in Medina. This was a man that who Said Ibn Al-Musayyib stated: "I attended the funeral of Zaid bin Thabit. After he had been buried, ibn Abbas said, 'O you people! Whoever wishes to know how knowledge leaves us should know that it is like this that knowledge leaves. I swear by Allah that a great deal of knowledge has just left us today."
He was the person who Abubakar, Umar and Uthman R.A. assigned to oversee the writing of the Qur'an, although they were all memorizers of the Qur'an, Abubakar R.A even had a copy of the Qur'an that was written in the Quraish dialect, Zaid ibn Thabit R.A. collected his copy too although he was a memorizer of the Qur'an in all the seven dialects. You come here to insult the successors of the messenger of Allah S.A.W without even knowing the virtue of these men, if they were wrong the Ahlul bayt or atleast Ali R.A. would have reacted, but he didn't even when his copy of the Qur'an was rejected and Alhamdulillah it was rejected, because it was later foundout to have contained a fabricated narration in his tafsir that originated from the Jews. Even though they didn't read it; what they were afraid of was prevented. Find other people to ridicule but not these men, I swear by Allah if you will gather everyone on the surface of the earth they never be as good as Abubakar, Umar, Uthman and Ali R.A.

Zaib Ibn Thabit is not the only secretary Mohammed had. One of Mohammed's secretary was Abdulah Ibn Sa'd Ibn Abi Saar. He was a foster brother to Uthman Ibn Affan and apostacised when he discoverred that mohammed was making up the quran and was never from any angel (Ibn Ishaq page 550, Sunnah Abu Dawood 14:2677, 38:4345-6). You also made a claim below:

I swear by Allah if you will gather everyone on the surface of the earth they never be as good as Abubakar, Umar, Uthman and Ali R.A: This is very bold claim and filled with lies. FYA, Abu Bakr (and his daughter Aisha) was an enemy of Fatimah (the only surviving child of Mohammed). Abu Bakr buried Mohammed without the consent and knowledge of either Fatima or her husband Ali. It was also recorded that Aisha died prematurely as a result of the evil meted out to her by the Khalifa you listed above. If these men are your standard then Islam has no honorable men as role model.

najib632:
lack of intelligence and wisdom is what you reek of, He was talking about the far East and West. Anybody that says he meant any other thing else is not a reasonable person. Only Allah knows wether I will grow old, and I swear by Allah if you don't repent you will be condemned. Foolish men every where now a days, even though time is running fast they forget they'll die, idiots.

As a said earlier, you will grow old and Allah will do nothing to me because he never even existed in the first place except in the wrap imagination of Mohammed only. Tell me, has Allah spoken to any Muslim before? Has he spoken to you either by dreams or vision?

tintingz:
Even tho I'm not a scientist, I have always love science even when I was a Muslim, they are more reliable than religious fairytales.

The bolded is a projected fallacy, go through the thread I have created when I was a Muslim, I even did a topic about scientific miracles in the Quran.

Well maybe your "proper guided" means indoctrination and brainwashing, I would like to know what you mean by that.

The bolded always got me laughing out loud.

najib632:
You seem to be a fool, show me the teacher that prophet Muhammad S.A.W studied under, if you claim he copied from the Torah or Zabur you're lying because he doesn't know how to speak Hebrew , if you say have he copied from Injeel you're still lying because he never had an encounter with any Christian apart from the cousin(Waraq ibn Nawfal) of his first wife Khadijah bint Khiwaylid. You think you can come here and declare things to be lies, with providing an academic argument. Scholars like Imam Malik, Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal, Imam As-shafi'i, Imam Az-zuhuri, the scholars from amongst the Sahaba, the khulafaa'u rashidun didn't falsify it, but you a common ignorant kafir who reads post from the internet and declares himself a scholar thinks he can falsify it, you must be really daft.

You need open your critical reasoning mind. The Jews and were living in Mecca and Medina before Mohammed was born and the people there were familiar with the contents of their scriptures, either written or oral transmission. I am not a Muslim but I am familiar with some basic Islamic beliefs, and I want to believe that Mohammed was equally familiar with the basic christian beliefs (quran 9:28,30). If what Mohammed preached was similar to Jewish and Christians beliefs, it is logical to assume that his thought and beliefs was shaped by what was being preached and practiced within his immediate environment. Mohammed did not teach anything related to Chinese or Japanese culture. This shouldn't be too hard to understand.

najib632:
This where you're being stupid, the Qur'an is a revelation to prophet Muhammad S.A.W from Allah through angel Jibreel, even he humbles himself to the words of the Qur'an when it rebukes him when he behaves, is about to do something or say or said something wrong. There are several places in the Qur'an that the messenger of Allah S.A.W is commanded to carry out an act or refrain from it such as forbidden him and family and relatives from accepting alms. What's the selfishness that you can point out to me that prophet Muhammad S.A.W had done which benefited him with wealth, this is some that did not have furnitures in his house even though he was the supreme leader of Arabia. And you're here saying nonsense this you don't even know about.

I am not stupid, you only need to open your mind to divergent view. When Mohammed was alive there nothing like the quran as we have it today. Mohammed will be shocked if he rises from the dead and see what you call the quran today. The present-day quran is the project of the khalifa and was sanctioned and approved by Uthman Ibn Affan, a government project. This is one of the reasons the quran does not make any sense without the seerah or the hadith. The Khalifa did a bad job of what they were not sent to do by Mohammed.

najib632:
You should provide an evidence from the seerah or hadith that the routes he followed had rivers if you cannot may Allah disgrace you.


وَلَقَدۡ أَنزَلۡنَآ إِلَيۡكَ ءَايَٰتِۭ بَيِّنَٰتٖۖ وَمَا يَكۡفُرُ بِهَآ إِلَّا ٱلۡفَٰسِقُونَ

(Sahih International)
And We have certainly revealed to you verses [which are] clear proofs, and no one would deny them except the defiantly disobedient.

-Sura Al-Baqarah, Ayah 99

You must provide an evidence of a secondary source, give us a name an instance or a hadith or a verse from the Qur'an or previous revelations to other prophets that he was educated, or from a seerah source that he had a teacher kr attend poetry classes like Umar ibn khattab R.A.

All the evident you need are in your source documents. A hadith narration confirmed that mohammed assumed the sun set in a muddy spring. How did he know that if he never saw any body of waters? You asked Allah to disgrace me? You will grow old and nothing Allah will do to me.

najib632:
Any Muslim that disagrees with this statement is an innovator and on the verge of disbelief. Let them provide an evidence of the messenger of Allah S.A.W writing, or studying apart from him revising the memorization of the Qur'an with angel Jibril.

You copied me on wrongly, as if I made the original statement, while attempting to quote 'Tintinz'. You need do a better job on who you wanna qoute. That aside, it is a common knowledge among Muslim historians that Mohammed was employed by a wealthy widow, Khadija (who later became his wife), as a salesman and a book-keeper. There is no any logical reason for a millionaire like Khadija to employ a stark illiterate to run her business empire. No one does that,either then or now.

najib632:
Provide a myth that has an acknowledged chain of narrators that claim he was literate or a scholarly concensus from a scholar the first 300 years of Islam that says so and what are his reasons.

As I said earlier, hadith is basically large volumes of gossips and Chinese whispers most of which has been deemed as weak or completely fabricated. How can you trust a source which most has been certified as 'unauthentic'?

najib632:
How would an literate subject himself to an illiterate if truly what Muhammad S.A.W brought was not an outstanding truth? You know that the companions have been recording revelations since the time of prophet Muhammad S.A.W then why do you say that I should be suspicious of Uthman R.A. when you know well that he so much loved the Qur'an that he was permitted to recite the whole of it everyday? Your hypocrisy will lead you to the hell fire.

Buhari is rumored not to have school certificate but his VP is a 'professor' of Law subjected to a near literate. This does not make Buhari's decisions divine. A less educated but powerful man can employ a highly qualified man to do his job. Asari Dokubo owns a University but I doubt if he a University graduate. Even educated men still employ a secretary. On Uthman, how do you know he loves the Quran? The present Quran has no manuscript dated from the time of Uthman because he burnt them. Why did Uthman burn what could have been used to validate the authencity of the quran if he has nothing to hide?

najib632:
Why should I be sceptical about anything when Allah has taken an oath to protect the Qur'an from any temparing? You accuse the most trusted companions of the messenger of Allah S.A.W who are trusted by Allah and his messenger of corruption? By Allah these men are better than and will forever be better than what you think about them. Any one who believes that the Qur'an is tampered with is a disbeliever. May Allah expose the liers.

Where did you get this claim outside the Islamic source itself? A man once told me that exclusivity is the right claim when making a truth statement. All religion claim authentic from their own religious document and this is highly subjective and relative. A christian and a Jew will equally claim the quran to be false while their Bible is the only truth. All now depends on the side of the divide you find yourself. And for the records, Allah was in the business of abrogating; this alone is a red-flag.

najib632:
You're just stupid, challenging what you don't know. All of these stories have more or less details in Islam and we will stick to what Allah and his messenger taught us. Dawud A.S. that the Jews accuse of fornication, they call Suleiman A.S. a womanizer, the Jews that don't even believe in the prophet of Isa A.S. Stupid arrogant person who doesn't know anything but thinks he can challenge the religion of Allah from his ignorance. Tell me any Jewish tribe from the Tribe of Quraish or living close to Mecca or in Mecca or in Ta'if, Or tell me of any encounter with the messenger of Allah S.A.W with any Jew before his migration to Medina.

There is no any book written to confirm that the Jews called David and Solomon womanizers. Internet trolls can do that. The Jews do not believe in Jesus, and so? All religion that sound irrational should be challenged to defend their religion with facts and not emotions as you are displaying here.

najib632:
This shows how stupid you are comparing a book of guidance with that of entertainment. Sue the writers of the Qur'an and you will still come out disgraced.

In this modern world the writer of the quran will be sued for plagiarizing the Jewish Torah and talmud, the Christian injil and the Zoroastrian scriptures. You can't copy and edit from existing material and call your new material 'the one and only truth'. That's crazy!

najib632:
Provide for me an evidence of the messenger of Allah S.A.W crossing a river during his travels and I will keep shut right now, in Islam we don't just assume things we prove it from the Qur'an and the Sunnah. Other religions allowed this that's why they became corrupted.
The prophet Muhammad S.A.W was not referring to the entire peninsula because Christians are still allowed to settle there

Imam Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani maintains that:

The pagans are not allowed to settle specifically in the Hijaz region, meaning Makkah, Madinah, al-Yamamah, and their environs. It does not apply to other regions that are considered part of the Arabian Peninsula. This is because everyone is agreed that they may live in Yemen, though it is part of the Arabian Peninsula. This is the opinion of the majority of scholars. (Fath al-Bari 6/198)

Your questions are very funny. It is like asking me to provide evidence where some stories in the Qur'an came from knowing fully that we have the Jews and the Christian scriptures at the time of Mohammed from which Mohammed lifted (and edited) some of the stories into the Quran.

Let's look at this in two ways. One, he might have heard similar stories from the people around him on sea meeting but never mixing. I have never been to the US but my relatives, in the US, have told me many things and places in the US, they also share pictures with me as a physical evidence. I can equally pass this information across while I haven't seen set my foot on the US. So for the sake of argument, let's say Mohammed never saw a river or a sea, however he would have, in the course of his 50yrs adulthood, met people who have travelled far and wide and have told stories of what they saw on the sea and rivers. The distance between Saudi Arabia and Indian, by sea, is less than 48hrs and many Arab merchants travel across the Indian ocean for trade.

The second point is that he might have seen it himself. Before Mohammed's alleged prophethood, he was a salesman to a wealthy widow named khadija. He covered thousands of miles across many lands to do his business transaction, so it is almost impossible to assume that he never entered boat at one point or the other. Hence the idea that an imaginary god told his that rivers meet and never mix is a lie. It is like NASA telling the world that a god just tell them there is another planet while they have powerful machines to detect that.

In conclusion, no any Allah told Mohammed what he wrote in the Quran concerning this subject; he most certainly got it from a secondary source.

Empiree:
it is not Shia only. I see Sufi groups online honoring Fatima Zahra bint rosulallah(saw) and Adhabiyya students of sheikh kamaldeen al-adhabi(ra)

Let me 'dash' you one 'like' for this post. However you are yet to give any justification for honouring Fatima. I don't think the Sunnis hold her in high esteem the way the shia do.

Empiree:
Shebi I talk am before. He's pained and jealous that he's not muslim. He's in this section lately for a reason known to him but I don't have problems with that.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. So the shia and the Sunnis are now in agreement against the worst kafir?

I believe in a civil conversation which I respected AlBaqir for, but his recent anger and diatribe against my honourable personality is uncalled for. I have been attacking what seems irrational to me like 419 pastors, Lord chosen, Jehovah's witnesses and many irrational Islamic beliefs, especially in their hadith. That's just me bro, I have no hard feelings against my fellow man.

I am never pained for not being a Muslim; what kind of assumption is that?

Abrahamdgreat:
****Thread Closed****

Kindly ignore this information; it is fake.

najib632:
Allahu akbar, Maasha Allah brother, may Allah make steadfast. Learn the Qur'an, Arabic, Tauhid, Fiqh and Seerah gradually.

Why learn Arabic? How many Muslims can speak Arabic? Has he mastered his mother tongue? And again why study the seerah when all the seerah I have quoted on nairaland has been deemed as fake.

Elhuxaifa:
i testify that there is no god worthy to worship except Allah and muhammad is the messenger of allah, i truely believe iam in darkness but islam now make me ligth of my life throughly, please muslim brother ineed your wish and suplication for the blessed in islam,

Allahu Akbar! Are you now a shia, Sunni or ahmadiyya Muslim? You need belong to a sect.

najib632:
Even if you have provided bible verses it is Allah who revealed them to a previous prophet even the, Qur'an verifies previous revelations like the Torah, Psalms and Gospel.

So what's the basis for our argument if you now agree that, even if bodies of water meeting was written in the Bible, Allah also revealed it. Is the Torah, the injil and sabura no longer corrupt? It is you Muslims that are celebrating that it was recorded in the Quran, not in the Bible, that ocean meet but never mix, but when some facts are presented to you the language is gradually changing.

I expected you to maintain the narrative that it was only recorded in the Quran hence authenticating the divine nature of the Quran. Even the Christians, whose scripture has a similar narrative, never made any claim that the phenomenon is divine and never name a big deal out of it. Muslims should find more miracle in the Quran and not this please.

Ocean meeting and never mixing is never a miracle in this scientific world but can be a miracle to some illiterate and medieval Arab men.

najib632:
Nobody is arguing with the validity of your explanation but how did an illiterate man who has never seen a river know about it?

This is a very bold claim; that your prophet has never seen a river. In one of the hadith, your prophet was recorded to have seen a river from where the sun set. Your prophet might be an illiterate but he was well travelled throughout the Arabian peninsula and would have passes through many waters in the course during his early years as a salesman for his late wife Khadija.

In one of the hadith narrations, Mohammed said he would expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian PENINSULA and left no one except Muslims. Can you tell me the meaning of a PENINSULA and how Mohammed came to know that there is a peninsula in the Arabia if he hadn't seen one?

Stop making a claim out of ignorance.

najib632:
You're one of the people Allah has made mad already where is the Hadith that bilal was still a slave up to the time of the khilafat of Abubakar? You're very very stupid infact, so what if the slaves were black? Was their treatment better under Islam or not? Did the prophet Muhammad S.A.W die owning any slaves? Did Allah and his messenger not encourage freeing of slaves? You're very stupid ignorant, are the one that will teach us our religion?! All the black scholars people that loved prophet Muhammad S.A.W and would be ready to die to defend him were they mad? Do you even know the status of Ammar ibn Yasir and Bilal ibn Rabah R.A. You're very crazy.

May Allah disgrace you, have ever seen any of those books you're mentioning? Show me the contradiction the last sermon made with the Qur'an any allegations you make you must provide your proof. Very stupid hypocrite.

Maybe your Allah had made you unreasonable and irrational. You seem to have a comprehension problem; I said Bilal was a slave bought by Abu Bakr but later became a Muslim by following the religion of his slave master. Islam also brought Bilal closer to Mohammed. And I told you that at a time he complained to Mohammed asking for his freedom. Must Bilal beg Mohammed before Mohammed will release him?

You are a compulsive liar to claim that Mohammed and his companions freed all their slaves. They free some (who became Muslims and were equally useful militarily) and also bought many more slaves. Mohammed and his companions were major slave traders and were very proud of it. Stop defending men that enslaved your ancestors, if you are black (which I doubt).

Who told you I never saw the hadith of Bukhari and Muslim? You must be a slowpoke to think that these books are out of reach in this modern day. I currently have sirah rasol Allah by Ibn Ishaq, tafsir of Ibn kathir and Jelalyn on my laptop. I do my research bro!

Don't be a silly spoilt kid.

najib632:
This a lie may Allah turn the people who fabricated this into Mad men. Where's the lik9e of Bilal ibn Rabah was the first man to call prayer in Islam and mu'adhim of the messenger of Allah S.A.W, were do you live the like if Ammar ibn Yasir? The first Maytr in Islam was a woman named Summayah a black woman and the mother of Ammar and many others that are held in high regard. The Muslims sent a black man as an ambassador to the Byzantines and they laughed at him but Allah disgraced tgem because of the wisdom and intellect he bestowed on him. You haven't read prophet Muhammad S.A.W last sermon. So don't come here and say nonsense.

Stop this nonsense bro! No Allah anywhere that can make anyone mad.

Bilal, the black poster boy for Islam, was a slave to Abu Bakr, the first rightly guided khalifa and, in one of the hadith of Bukhari, he complained (to Mohammed) why he was still being kept as a slave even after much sacrifice and risk he took for the religion of Mohammed. My dog, no matter how loyal it is, remains my Bingo. It is known fact that more than 99% of black who came in contact with Mohammed were either his slaves or the slaves of his companion. What does that tell you

All other things you claim can never be found in any authentic Islamic source document, either sahih Bukhari, sahih Muslim, sunah abu dawood, al-tirmidih, sunah jbn maggah, or any of the sirah rasol Allah. Stop lying bro, nothing like the last sermon of the prophet (which contradicted the last surah, surah 9 of the Quran). It was concocted by Muslim apologists.

abdulazeez1002:
Bring proof, you're there blapping.

True2god .your fellow atheist 2 can't answer

What other proof do you need aside the ones other people have provided. If one ties himself in an apron of ignorance it will be difficult to untie him. As I said earlier, there is nothing supernatural telling someone what is commonly known at that time. I am very sure if Muslims, somewhere in the Quran, come across an imaginary Allah telling Mohammed that there are 24 hours in a day, Muslims worldwide will rejoice and start a religious propaganda that the Quran is truly divine despite the fact that it was a common knowledge that 24 hours makes 1 day.

My illiterate grandmother once told me the course the river in my village flow and its very source. If my grandmother should write a book and claimed that an angel Michael gave her that information, I will call her a liar because someone also gave her that info which she, in turn, passed to me.

Don't be gullible and delusional in the name of Allah.

kayfra:
Igbo states are not oil producing states of any significance. Cut the bullshit

I am not here to reach you geography; travel to Rivers and Delta and see a sizable Igbo majority in Rivers and 30% in Delta. Have you heard of delta Igbo, Asaba, to Kwale? Have you heard of Egbemma, Ahoada and even Ikwere (Nkwere in Imo state) in River state? The Yorubas should not start a battle that they will suffer for in the long run.

If the south west and Lagos can be economically viable and successful without oil money from the Nigerdelta, you can ask all Igbos to leave Lagos while you use cocoa money to develop the southwest without expecting oil money from the Delta region. I can tell you that all Igbos left Lagos between 1967-1970 but your fathers said 'no', that they must not go. Who are you to blame, your fathers or the Igbo people? If push comes to shove the Igbos can still leave Lagos if only you agree to go your separate ways and build a fence along the Yoruba borders so that no single Igbo can cross. But you know what, your politicians are 100% sure that you guys will suffer hence they will never try such.

it is this bad that, because of her husband, Bola Tinubu, this subtle hate speech has to come out. What Remi Tinubu is simply saying in the open is the thought of over 90% of Yoruba APC members (not all Yorubas) which is very dangerous to the peace the Igbos and the Yorubas has enjoyed in Lagos since 1970. I have a colleague in the office who, last week, told me the same thing in the office.

If Yorubas states are living very large and happy collecting allocations from oil producing states, whose land are ravaged as a result of the activities of oil companies, while at the same time dishing out threats on Igbo interest in Lagos, this is a serious course for concern.

Some Yorubas, led by Tinubu, started this crusade against the Igbos by attempting to disenfranchise them by destroying the vote of every part of Lagos having a very sizeable Igbo population and some shortsighted people termed it as 'part of politics'. This is no longer politics but an attempt to wipe away people politically in your enclave and I think it will greatly backfire against the aggressors now or later.

Remi Tinubu's should have rather kept quiet instead of being used as the mouthpiece of APC against the Igbos in Lagos. Where is Joe Igbokwe? I have not heard him speak for a while.

tintingz:
My goodness.

Do yourself a favor and Google where seas meet. The Bible account mention two seas meeting, from the scientific observations from gulf of Alaska, there's no ocean meeting, the appearance of the phenomena is as result of glacial melt water meeting the off shore waters of gulf of Alaska which doesn't mix due to the density. I don't need to be educating you on this.

They eventually mix!


Yes they do mix, take a salt water and a fresh water and mix them together if they won't mix.

The one shown from gulf of Alaska is like melt ice on the surface of the ocean not mixing with the ocean.

What happens when you mix salt water with fresh water?

Ancient sailors have observed it long before the Quran came. The Bible made mention of it. Aristotle also did.


My Goodness.

Educate yourself.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Alaska


Ignorance is a bliss.

Well articulated.

AlBaqir:
You don't learn, do you? First, you alleged we are "mourning". You were corrected of that immature thought, yet you still arrogantly want to go further in what does not concern you. Why do you people like pokenosing into matters that doesn't concern you?

What do you know about Fatima Zahra and not to mention why she was a role model for the Muslims? Obviously NOTHING; for that was what gave you the thought to think "perhaps her father was a Prophet". And what is your definition of "role model"? Why do Muslims (especially the Shia) take Bibi Fatima Zahra a role model?

Bro take it easy. You are getting very aggressive these days.

I asked you to highlight how Fatimah was a role model for Muslims. Don't make a claim you cannot defend.

AlBaqir:
Mourning? Where does that comes from? How's commemorating a great leader and role model a "mourning" in your thinking?

And must a "role model" and "religious icon" come from your family tree?

It seems to me you simply want to comment. Obviously you are either into something (irrational criticism) or you simply wanna be nuisance. Please try to be a gentleman.

How is Fatima a role model? What and what did she do that what emulating? Is it because her father is the prophet?

Abuheekmat:
Whoever follows the companions have followed rosul..
Shia and others follow their founders and imams..


Sunni is everyone who follows rosul and sahabahs.


EOD

Is it the same companions that 'finished' the household of the prophet? Why should someone follow people that were responsible for the death of the family of their late leader?

Abuheekmat:
Laughing..

A kafir talking about Islam and her heros..


Laughing out loud ..


Shia talking about Islam is like a Jew talking about nabeey eesa

Yes, I am a proud kafir. Lobatan!

AlBaqir:
# Today in Islamic history marks the martyrdom of Hazrat Fatima bint Muhammad, the leader of women of paradise.

* Peace and blessings be upon her.

Guy, allow Fatimah to rest in peace. Which kain wahala be this? Stop mourning a woman dead over 1000 years ago who is not even in your family tree. What is wrong with African people?

abdulazeez1002:
Are you still working

Yes. You are happy, right? Wait and you will get my response soon (busy). See as you 'dey' happy; you 'don' catch thief abi.

Rashduct4luv:
Alhamdulillah! you are still tracing the Qur'an to the companions of the Prophet! None of the past scriptures can be traced in this way!



You confirmend that the Qur'an was learnt by heart by many companions and their students and it was compiled in to a Book when many of them died in battle. So no Problem here!



We have the Qur'an as the word of Allah. The Hadith is the traditions of the Prophet passed down to his companions and to their students....
Depending on many criterias hadiths are given grades! So i said the Hadith is weak!



I am not dishonest and you are one putting up lies to discredit the Qur'an! What do you mean by (sahih bukhari 4:52:69 and sahih bukhari 3:31:170)? It is not new for Allaah to cancel an ayah and replace it with another! Intoxicants were permitted in early Islam and was gradually abolished.

How many times will i quote this verse from the Qur'an to you?

Allah, may He be exalted, said (interpretation of the meaning):

“Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allah is able to do all things?
[al-Baqarah 2:106]

Stop the Chest beating upon ignorance.




OK, i have done a minor research and i found that your claim was either an error or a lie! Try to read and watch the video in the link below!

https://www.quora.com/How-was-the-Cairo-Quran-1924-compiled-and-canonized



Qira'at refers to the various manners of reciting the Qur'an. There are 10 authentic Qira'at. For a qira'at to be authentic there are very detailed rules. Whereas the Qur'an was revealed in seven ahruf, as is proved in many mutawaatir ahadith. This was because different tribes pronounced and spelled words differently.
Each of the ten recitation has an isnaad (narration chain) up to the Prophet salallahu alayhi wasalam. In addition, these isnaads (naration chains) come through twaatur (i.e. it was related by so many trustworthy people down the isnaad chain to the Prophet Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam.) The recitation differ in the vocalization of few words or letters.

Kindly desist from spreading falsehood about the Qur'an!



I never cursed you specifically! I only cursed whoever is a liar. So be careful when you bring up a lie against the Qur'an or Islam.

Good and matured response. Talk you later (busy).

Rashduct4luv:
In 2 above you said Umar and in 3 it was Uthman that authorised the Qu'ran! Obviously you are confused!

Zayd ibn Thaabit said – when Abu Bakr delegated him to collect the Mus-haf – I sought the Qur’aan and I gathered it from pieces, i.e., leaves, patches of leather, shoulder-blades of sheep and camels, leaves of palm trees, and the hearts of men.

Al-Qaadi Abu Bakr al-Baaqillaani mentioned the justification for the action of Abu Bakr, the five most important points of which were:

1 – That the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do that for a reason, and Abu Bakr did it because there was a need for it.

2 – Allaah referred in the Qur’aan to al-Suhuf al-Oola (the former Scriptures – al-A’laa 89:19], and He stated that Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had something similar in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning]:

“reciting (the Qur’aan) purified pages [purified from Al-Baatil (falsehood)].

Wherein are correct and straight laws from Allaah”

[al-Bayyinah 98:2-3]

So this [action of Abu Bakr] was following that which was prescribed by Allaah and His Messenger.

3 – By doing that, their intention was to fulfil the words of Allaah:

“Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur’aan) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)”

[al-Hijr 15:9]

It was preserved with Him, and He told us that He would preserve it after it had been sent down. Part of His preserving it was His enabling the Sahaabah to gather it and to agree upon how its spelling and punctuation were to be regulated.

4 – The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had scribes to whom he dictated it, so that everyone would understand from this that it should be written down and preserved on sheets. If Allaah’s guarantee to preserve it meant that the ummah would have nothing to do with it, the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) would not have had it written down after Allaah had told him of His guarantee to preserve it. But it is known that the way in which Allaah has preserved it is by causing us to preserve it and making that easy for us, and showing us how it is to be written down.

5 – It is proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade traveling with the Qur’aan to the land of the enemy. This indicates that it was written down and that the people used to take it with them when they travelled.

Abu Bakr ibn al-‘Arabi said: this is the clearest evidence for anyone who studies the issue.

See Ahkaam al-Qur’aan, 2/612[/b]



For the umpteenth time, this hadith is weak (Sunnan ibn Majah hadith 1944) One of the beauty of our Books is the authentication of their narrators! This lie is popular on Christian threads looking for loopholes in the Qur'an!



[b]Allah, may He be exalted, said (interpretation of the meaning):

“Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allah is able to do all things?

Know you not that it is Allah to Whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth? And besides Allah you have neither any Walee (protector or guardian) nor any helper.”
[al-Baqarah 2:106-107]

During the life time of the Prophet (salallahu alayhi wasalam) there were abrogations and there was none after his death!



Kindly stop the lies bro! Qur'an was approved in Al-Azar University in Cairo in 1924? More like the over 40 versions of the different Bibles in circulation! Not the same at all!

7 different readings.... does this suggest textual change?

Apparently your effort in bringing down the Qur'an will keep failing

Audhubillah minna shaytaanir Rojeem! May Allaah curse you and break the back of the liars if they do not repent!

I believe you understood me but you only wanted to be dishonest. I said the current Quran compilation was the idea of Umar ibn kathab but the official Quran you have today was sanctioned/approved by Uthman ibn Affan. Umar ibn kathab was killed and he did not supervise the final compilation of the Quran. So clear and simple!

And the reason why Umar ibn kathab advised Abu Bakr to get the Quran compiled was that many Muslims who knew Quran by heart had died in battle hence to avoid further loss of Qur'anic information, the idea of compiling it as a single text was born. If you read sahih bukhari 6:509, you get a clearer picture.

Why do you want me to disregard the hadith of Ibn Majjah? It exposed your Quran as a fraud. Why do Muslim countries make stoning as a punishment for adultery since it is nowhere in the Quran? The scholars understood this dilemma and would rather be silent about it.

The ayah, according to (sahih bukhari 4:52:69 and sahih bukhari 3:31:170) were completely cancelled, erased, removed from the Quran. It has nothing to do with the principle of abrogation. Both the abrogated ayah and the new ayah are all in the Quran. Many meccan ayah were abrogated when new revelations were given in Medina. Don't be intellectually dishonest. I am too old in this game you wanna play with me mhen!!!

You are a funny dude bro! Can you send me a PDF or screen shot of any pre-1924 Quran that is exactly what you have today, in term of textual uniformity The Quran being used worldwide today was approved in 1924 at Al-Azar university, Cairo Egypt. Do your research bro.

We have 7 different readings of the Quran today, is that how your prophet made it to be? Who sanctioned the 7 reading variants and are they 100% uniform in meaning?

Your cursing me is a waste of time bro. Don't be too emotional about it, after all it is a foreign religion and the Arabs didn't even view you as 'Islamic' enough but an ordinary 'Bilal' in your way of thinking.

Empiree:
What else is new?. We have had so many people did the same in the past now and they are irrelevant today. They come out occasionally to make names for themselves on the pretense of having "Islamic knowledge".

It is very easy these days if you want to be famous. All you have to do is to come up with rubbish about Islam.

Next....

All you have to do is to come up with truth about Islam; something Muslims never wanted to hear about their religion. The truth can be hurtful but they can be found in your sirah and the hadith.

abdulazeez1002:
I'm still waiting for your proof

Why are you dodging?

Abdul hold, I am very busy in the office. Calm down bro!