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BabyApple:
Salamualekum bro.. Please dont engage him anymore.

Did Allah speak to Mohammed directly, please provide reference.

AlBaqir:
I just don't get it why you guys continue to make God out of U.S. The worst U.S. can do is to use her nuclear weapons. Aside that, I dont think U.S. is ready to count her losses. No doubt Iran will be heavily affected but the war will go on a very looooong time. U.S. struggled in Afghanistan for 17 years still counting. Iraq was a huge mistake for them. Yes, U.S. "destroyed" those places but they still blame themselves till date.

For a fact, all the U.S. intelligence agencies have gone against Donald Dumb administration's plan to war with Iran. This intelligence came after they have carried out their simulation tests. The region is not favorable for U.S. Iran is the master of that region.

And I did not submit that Russia and China will confront the U.S., you are the one assuming too much. What is predictable of Russia is to sell weapons to Iran just like Russia did to Syria and Egypt in 1955/56 against Isra-hell before both end call the war off. China is unpredictable but their goal of overtopping the US economic wise might make them contribute.

US spent $3 trillion in Iraq war alone making them highest debtor. How much do they planned to spend and how much do they planned to lose if they go to war with Iran?

Like I said, you guys watch American movies too much and probably hoodwinked by the CNN, fox news and other U.S. fake news agencies. U.S. is not god. And Iran is no push over.

I am no fan of CNN and Fox news; I unsubscribed from them over a year ago. You just seem not to understand how international politics plays out. In all these issue, you deliberately refused to acknowledge the role of the Saudis in this regional conflict. And FYA, the Saudis, who you love so much, are using the US and Israel to fight their age-long ideological enemy, Iran (the Shi'a). Dont you know how much Saudis are spending on US defense infrastructure in the middle east? Do you know that the Saudis, using a back channel via the US, is equally financing the Israeli military for a potential war against Iran? The sooner you guys realize your emotions are being played by the people you so much loved and trust, the desert snakes (Saudi Arabia), the better.

No one is putting the US in the position of God, 'tufiakwa!', what I am saying is that nuclear powers can never go into a direct military conflict over a client state. And mind you, the Iranian (Russia) and the Saudi (US) is only a modern extension of the 'battle of karballa' and the crisis is not new.

AlBaqir:
It's like you love watching too much American Hollywood action movies

Anyway, no one has ever claim Iran can match the U.S. militarily on paper. If US mission in abovementioned counties failed woefully, Iran will be their last lesson. Mind you, China and Russia are seriously looking for opportunities to pounce on the U.S.

Anyway, this is someone who knows it all better than you Hollywood film watcher Listen to him:

Sorry bro, no sane man wants a military struggle between Iran and the US but if it does happen, do you seriously think Russia and China will directly attack the US? Do you think two nuclear superpowers will go on each other's throat because of a client state? In the 1962 Cuban missile crisis and the 1974 Israeli-Arab conflict, both the Russians and the Chinese were forced to back out as soon as the US raised their military readiness to DEFCON-2, what gives you the impression that it will be different now. It will be a mutually assured destruction (MAD) if both the US and Russia go into war and no sane nuclear power can do that. Russia cannot even attack a nuclear-armed Israel. It seems you have a limited knowledge of global military affairs. You need to concentrate more on the Quran and the hadith if you think that Russia and China can threaten the US and take a step further into a military conflict.

If the US attacks Iran, the worst Russia and China will do is go to the UN security council and condemn the attack, or better still, arm Iran with their latest S-400 to take on US aircraft. That's all. If you think Russia will send an ICBM to the US, you must be kidding.

Empiree:
i like what you said. it seems you are seeing truth at some point but you just can't help yourself with anti-muhammadanism

Besides, you have supported pro-war indirectly, ignorantly or not which i accused you of in the other thread. This is what Ilan Omar was saying but you guys tagged her anti-america and anti-semitic. The same with your backing Imam Tawhidi who is pro-jewish lobby. I told you clearly that people pushing for this war are AIPAC, Jewish lobbyists. Whoever criticizes them is tantamount to anti-america which is false. Abeg, how are the two related?. Now, it is high time you support Omar's peace initiatives. You should also scrutinize Imam Tawhidi's view on pending attack on Iran. I guarantee you that you will either find him mute on the subject or suport jewish lobby. He will never go against them bcuz they are his financial supporters for saying trash.

Mohammedanism was built on hate for other religions and cultures (non-arab culture) so I can't be sympathetic to an ideology that is built on hatred for the kafir (for the sake of Allah).

Back to the issue at hand, you failed to mention the Saudis and the qataris who are equally serious lobbyist in the white house. The Saudis always outspend the Jews when it comes to bribing WH official to get one favour or the other. The Saudis are the highest donors to the Clinton foundation. Why? To get a favourable Saudi interest in the US global affairs.

On a local level, it was Saudi lobbyist in the US that brought Buhari/APC into power. The Saudis paid the Obama administration heavily to sabotage GEJ administration and equally provide them the available logistics and strategy to defeat GEJ. APC's campaign team was coordinated by the head of Barack Obama's campaign director. Let me stop their to avoid further derailment of this thread. The point I am making is that Muslims are hypocrites for condemning AIPAC but are equally notorious lobbyist at the WH.

The current Iran-US conflict is partly Israelis desire to ensure that Iran does not enrich enough uranium for the production of nuclear bomb, while Iranian oil embargo is good for Saudi local oil industry and to equally ensure that their eternal enemy (the Shi'a) is put to check by a superpower. It is win-win scenario for the Israelis and the Saudis. As for your Ilham Omar, which is one of the consequence of a failed immigration system which Donald Trump is working on right now. There is meant to be a difference between politics and activism. Linda Sarsour, a good friend of Ilham Omar, chosed activism to fight the cause of the Palestinian people, which is 100% OK. Ilham Omar, on the other hand, is an activist who was rather meant to be a representative and a leader in her heterogenous district. It will be a miracle if she finish her 4 years. You can't bite a finger that feeds you. Oh sorry, she is a Muslim and that's not a problem.

Iran should cool down and stop bragging, we know the countries that control world affairs. This brinkmanship will lead Iran to unnecessary hardship; the citizens will only suffer while the Ayatollahs will hide in a secure bunker somewhere in Tehran if the bomb rain starts. The Iranians should realise that a new sheriff is in town and not the former Muslim apologist who enabled the mighty US navy and sailors to be humiliated and was compensated for this bad behavior with a financial reward for the Ayatollahs and his cronies.

On a more serious note, the Iranians are being harassed by the US while the real snakes, largest sponsor of terror worldwide, Israel and Saudi Arabia, are Americas 'ally'. I still wonder why Saudi Arabia, who is the highest financier of global terror, are given a pass mark while the educated and peace-loving Iranians are harassed and intimidated.

Empiree:


You had to be apologetic when table turns

But if the woman was old mallam from North or Arab places, and the boy was innocent girl, you would most definitely crucified muhammad for it.

It is because child bride is a sunnah of the prophet hence acceptable in Islam. Mohammed was meant to be a perfect and greatest conduct of character, in Islam, however the opposite is true.

I asked for the names of the couple and the country the 'wedding' took place but you haven't provided it.

Empiree:
who do you blame for this, muslims?. You have got many more to condemn. I showed you article of New Jersey underage marriage law.

This is child abuse and no religion sanctioned this evil act. Where does this happen and the names of the 'couple'. Not good scanning through the internet to get bad behaviors in order to 'market' Islam.

Nutase:
Their is no compulsion in religion.

Says who?

Empiree:
Nonsense!

It is human history. All govts around the world do this nasty thing. Get over it, buddy.

Does this include Mohammed's killing of his political enemies as it is well documented in the seerah and the hadith?

Empiree:
^^^
Itunmo?

That's his mission statement, read it.

Imams of peace.

Empiree:
seems to me you don't really know James White. He's very cunning dude. And making comparison with Tawhidi doesn't cut it. James White is a "maradona". His tactics are essentially to entrap Muslims in his debates. For instance I bought his book and for the most part of preface of his book, his speeches are convincing to Muslims. You would think he's a new muslim convert. Meanwhile, his tactics are meant to prepare his unsuspecting Muslim readers to succumb to his CHRISTIANITY.

This is first hands experience. Don't argue this.



He's a blind fellow which Quran calls "lamb". I will tell you why in a minute.



Did I or any muslim dispute living side by side with nonmuslims?. In Medina during the time of the prophet, Jews and Muslims lived side by side. Is Tawhidi preaching something new?. If this is what you called a reform you seriously need help.

Now back to the point you don't get. As I previously said, you Judeo/Christian terrorists want no peace. What Tawhidi is doing, that you support, is his support for Jewish supremacists called Jewish lobby at the Washington. This is what you failed to see in the short clip. Ilam Omar is not hating on America but the evil lobby which is sworn enemy of humanity and pushing for wars around the world. It is this evil lobby that want war with Iran. It is this evil lobby that fund terrorists in the name is Islam. It is the same evil lobby that bombed Omar former home country decades ago. This is what Omar criticized but crazy people like Tawhidi, you and other lazy Americans criticized her view. You equated Omar's criticisms of this evil lobby with anti America. This is quite unfortunate for these so called reformists and "educated people". This is why Quran calls you lambs because you have eyes but you can not see. You are just like cattles even worst than that. How's criticizing Jewish lobby makes one anti America when, in fact, it is a lobby that lobbies for wars around the world and bombing the Palestinians?. This is what your are supporting yet calling me fanatics?. Bro, seriously?. Is this reform Tawhidi calls for?. Instead he talking about Qatari lobby which is significantly insignificant. Tawhidi is a funded puppet and it will take time before you realize it. As you can see from many comments, his supporters are condemning Islam while he's supporting the very same lobby that is wagging wars on Islam everywhere. If Omar's view is anti America because he criticized evil lobby, how about many American Jews who supported her?. Are they anti America too?. I notice everyone who condemned Omar failed to condemn antiJewish lobbyist American Jews. This is double standards.

Why do you guys turn the way? . Why do you pretend you don't see American Jews who have the same hatred for Jewish lobbyist far worst than Omar's?.



it is understatement to say you will be surprised when they are finally done with him and he's of no use to them and they will feed him to the people he already rebuked for years. At that time he will be alone. You don't learn from history.

I can't stop laughing for you calling me a 'Judeo-christian terrorist'. You sound very funny here.

Empiree:
You really don't know yourself yet let alone Tawhidi. I'm not gonna say he's not muslim. He's but crooked one. I'm not gonna be cajoled by your cunning posts. If you don't see his wrong in this video, I rest my case. Lot of comments on this video praising him by nonmuslims and abusing Islam speak volume of who he is.

Here is what his fellow Shia said

The same way many Muslims are praising James White for being a good Christian because, in most engagement, he would rather chastise Christians instead of Muslims. Many Muslims feel very comfortable with James White. Should I then conclude that James White is a puppet to the Saudis or the qataris? No, he has his personal philosophy about live and might not see things the same way most Christians do, with respect to Islam.

Imam Mohammed Tahwidi has a great scholarship in Islamic theology and understood Islam in its purest Arabic form (being an Iraqi) and he grew up in a predominately sunni community in Iraq (he is a Shi'a Muslim). I don't think you have any scholarship in Islamic theology which makes him a better authority on this subject matter than me and you.

For the fact that he is a reformist who wants all religions to live side by side peacefully does not make him a kafir. I would rather be a humanist than a religion fanatic who would rather oppress my fellow human being in the name of religion. Imam Tahwidi is an Arab man and he grew up in Arab community where Islam reigns supreme and you cannot discount his struggles and his personal experience just because his narrative does not suit a standard modern-day Islamic narrative, which are often filled with half-truth and sometimes lies.

The western world would rather feel safer and more comfortable with a moderate imam who is not afraid to say the bitter truth than a lying imam who will deceive the west, an non-muslims, in order to advance the course of Islam.

usermane:
Asalam alaykum. There are a lot of problems with this thread; https://www.nairaland.com/4998545/marieh-carey-performed-live-saudi

Let's get into it.



I don't see how Mariah's performance warrant this level of outcry. This performance was held outside Makkah, why add "Near Makkah" in the headlines? Why not just state "Mariah Carey performed in Saudi Arabia, Jeddah"? Why introduce Makkah in the headline.

Am afraid, this was intended to increase the chance of inciting Muslim outrage. And to me, this was the first red flag, I immediately felt this was more of a disguised plot by Iranian regime or estranged Muslim Brotherhood and their sympathizers to sabotage the Saudi regime.

Also, calling Marey Carey satanic singer? I'll hold you to this, Albaqr. There are worse and more satanic things happening in Saudi Arabia.

AlBakir failed to understand that the Saudis would rather tolerate Maria Carey than having the shia Muslims around them. The last time I checked, the highest victims of public beheading in Saudi Arabia are the Shi'a.

AlBakir is fighting the wrong battle; he should have found a way to make peace with the oppressive Sunnis instead of condemning their source of joy and happiness which he termed 'unislamic'. King Salman and the current crown peace are trying to open up Saudi Arabia to modernity but Islamic zealots would rather commit terror against this 'shirk' instead of appreciating human process.

tintingz:
LMAO.

This one is confused. @bolded.

Islam degraded the women folks in every form even in the so called afterlife, the physical ability of the men folks should not be used to justify the degrading of the women folks especially their rights.

Give the women folks a chance and see how they will perform better more than some men.

And for your ignorance, the female lions(lioness) haunts better and physically looks good with better speed.

Male lions sleep all day while the female lions hunt and 'hustle' to provide for their kids, and also provide for the male lions. In the animal kingdom, male lions are useless and only good for mating with the female lions for procreation. As as bad as male lions are, they have to kill on the cubs that the female lions have so that the lioness can start having their own kids afresh. Men (male lions) are very wicked.

Honestly, if male lions were to write their 'Quran', they (male lions) will surely downplay the importance and usefulness of female lions in the animal world, provided they have the Quranic (hadith) format. The male ego is also common in the Jewish Torah and equally consistent among all the so-called 'Abrahamic faith'.

Empiree:
This is the guy you called Muslim?. Think again


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5bmO_w4XzM

Thanks for the video; I have watched it. By the way, what's wrong in the video? For the fact that his opinion does not fit into the traditional Islamic political narrative does not mean he is no longer a Muslim. Yesterday he visited, in Washington, David Wood, a notorious anti-muslim Youtuber, and he defended Islam very well but rightly spoke against the political Muslim brotherhood.

When I see fact I accept it without emotion or bias. If all Muslims, Christians and Jews can see the flaws in their religion and try to fix it, instead of defending or managing it, the current global religious problems will be half-solved. The problem is some Muslims and Christians who claimed that their religion is perfect, when it is even clear to the blind that it is not and will never be, would arrogantly defend the ills in their religion. Imam Mohammed Tahwidi called himself a religious reformer who wants the Christians, the Jews and the Muslims to get along and he is not ashamed of exposing the Muslim brotherhood and Muslim supremacist in the west, how is this a bad thing?

You need have a paradigm shift when it comes to religious fanatism; it leads nowhere.

Jokerman:
How could he have won the war, when the US is around??

Russia won the war not the US. Stop listening to western propaganda.

The elections in those countries are not conducted by INEC with the supervision of Tinubu and MC Oluomo.

Empiree:
oh now that my opinion doesn't suits you, you retorted to extremism?.

I simply posted the article to show how hypocritical you guys are. If this article was about a mallam married to a child in northern part of Nigeria, I am 1000% sure you would not sound like this. You would be extremely crazy and started blaming muhammad.

Now that reverse is the case you expect me to treat this with kiddie gloves?.

Yes, I sound harsh towards some CHRISTIANs these days bcuz I have realized that they are extremely insane.

Take it easy bro!

Empiree:
It justifies that you guys should keep your mouth SHUT if some muslims do the same. Don't you think your question reeks hypocrisy?.

Take it easy bro. You seem to be moving towards religious extremism.

hisexcellency34:
I agree with the man. All these Muslim ladies covering heads na dem bad pass. There is no style they don't know

Its not a crime to look for love in a mosque.

Empiree:
More


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/200000-children-married-us-15-years-child-marriage-child-brides-new-jersey-chris-christie-a7830266.html%3famp

What does this justify?

usermane:
Always a pleasure to listen to Tarek Fatah. Imam Tawhidi is about the only Imam that openly admit there is a problem within Islamic texts. Two fine Muslim men discussing Muslim problems so honestly and openly is a rarity.

I have seen many Muslims call them 'fake Muslims' because they opened their mind to critical reasoning and were not afraid to identify the flaws within Islam. If all religious people can be critical of their religion, do a self-appraisal of their belief, I think there won't be too much incident of religious intolerance and violence.

true2god:
@ Empire, you can watch this video with an open mind. Both men are Muslims having a very honest discussion about Islam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gsXw7gzaAo

Empire download and watch over and over again. Don't be dogmatic and arrogant; be sincere and open-minded.

Yuceeluv:
8years difference? Wow!

Greed!

@ Empire, you can watch this video with an open mind. Both men are Muslims having a very honest discussion about Islam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gsXw7gzaAo

Empiree:
Same old trick you just used. I know how Christian evangelism works. That's exactly what you are doing. In Islam, from God's view, there is nothing like Sunni, Shia, Sufi etc. Islam is Islam. It is when you guys are insincere that's when you bring in sectarian nonsense. If you want to embrace Islam, you don't start talking about which sect is good.

And for your information, there is no way of discussing Islam without mentioning CHRISTIANITY, Judaism, Jesus, Moses etc. This shows that you don't understand anything.

I don't really need to appeal to you or anyone. If my posts are not satisfactory to you, the same posts have been commended by your fellow CHRISTIAN who became Muslim recently on NL and his parents have threatened his life and he had packed out and lives with friend. I won't reveal identity of the fellow.

Again, I didn't post anything on NL to appeal to anyone. A sincere reader doesn't need to get himself in sectarian dissonances. Islam is one. We talk base on the level of the one we are talking to. If discussion has nothing to do with other religion we won't talk about it. For instance, this threads https://www.nairaland.com/3633308/seeing-angels-malaika

https://www.nairaland.com/2042359/shaykh-adam-abdullah-al-ilory

We are not concern about other religion. But this thread and similar threads have something in common with CHRISTIANITY. So get your facts right next time before you jump the gun.

Yes, hijab predated Qur'an but Quran is complementary to all previous Revelations. This is why we have some things in common. How is this difficult?. There is no way to discuss some topics in Islam without making reference to Jesus or CHRISTIANITY. And making reference to Jesus is not abusive. No Muslim in Earth would abuse Jesus. It is forbidden in Islam to do that. Yet, majority of your fellow CHRISTIANs would call Muhammad(saw) all sorts of unprinted names but you came here to tell me I talk abusively about CHRISTIANITY. Point to me where I did so

And for your information, there is no way of discussing Islam without mentioning CHRISTIANITY, Judaism, Jesus, Moses etc. This shows that you don't understand anything..

Na una way na! The prophet of Islam started attacking other religions as a basis for establishing Islam. Attack christians, attack Jews, attack Zoroastians, attack mecca polytheist, etc. We already know this format.

ChristianNorth:
Of late, I don't know what have been drawing me to this board. Before I am anti-Islam but now I am open minded.

I don't even believe it that I would abandon work and start researching on Islam. The funny thing is that I wasn't doing that to criticize it, but to be a bit open to it.

Once fantasied how it would look like being a moslem.

Someone once told me that you are the best moslem here, so I follow your post bumber to bumber.

Believe me, I was disappointed.

The first time I personally reached out to an Islamic Evangelical team, I don't what you guys call them but Christians call them missionaries. Instead of telling me what Islam is and why it is good for my soul. They were busy attacking Jesus in a bid to demarket him, misquoting scriptures to paint him bad.

I told them to leave Christianity alone and teach me Islam. They agreed but after few sentences, they started bringing Jesus into the discuss.

I told the guys "don't sale Islam to me by demarketing people's religion. Christians don't do that"

Instead of heeding to the advice, they started pulling links from newspapers about pastors in sex scandals in the USA. I was disappointed and I started pulling those of their imams.

I told them I am no longer interested, those guys threatened my life. I have not even converted yet.

I was in Lagos, few weeks ago. I was staying in our family residence close to a mosque. The Alfa or whoever was in charge was preaching but the only thing I picked up from what he was saying was "Jesus, Christians, pastors, tithe"

I don't understand yoruba, so I don't know the context he was using them but each time he mentions them, his people would shout "Allahu Arkbar"

Since I became active on this board, I noticed you are doing the same thing.

One common thing I noticed is that all you guys are Sunni.

I made a decision, if I am ever going to convert to Islam, I am going for Shia and Sufism.

Anyway from my experiences, the worst of Christianity is the best of Islam. I will rather stay with people I feel safe with.

Only Christians and Shiites offer me that level of comfort.

Back to our story, Hijab was a pre-islamic way of dressing for ancient Arabians because of their windy and sandy environment.

They were busy attacking Jesus in a bid to demarket him, misquoting scriptures to paint him bad..

This got me cracking and laughing out loud. Na their way; attack Christianity, because it is very sweet to the ear of Muslims who will chorus 'allahu akbar', and never preach Islam. I always enjoy them yabbing christians in their 'wasi'. I visited one of their mega-star, Nigeria's Zakir Naik, Mallam Ustaz Yusuf of ACADIP when he visited Lagos for one their programs. I asked him some BAD questions and he started stammering while his audience looked shocked and embarrassed. He managed to provide some weak answer of which his own audience were not convince and I immediately noticed that his knowledge of Islam is very weak because he spend over 25 years to master Islamic apologetic and christian criticism without even knowing most embarrassing teachings in Islam.

Empire, you may like this cool vidoe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHXCmEWxMY4

Empiree:
you are still emotional

You have strengthened my faith and led me to believe more the reason Quran said 'no soul will be unfairly in Afterlife'. Tell me how you gonna plead innocent when you have already built evidence against yourself?

Leave Nairaland for the kafirs for now; go and concentrate on your 'fasting'.

Empiree:
^^^^^^°°°°°^^^^°°°°^^^^^^^

I know your write-up was emotional. Kpele true2god false2god. You are a definition of ignorance just by reading your first two paragraphs. I don't expect you of all people, someone who claimed to be learned but devoid of simple fundamental teachings.

I'm not interested in everything else you said. My only concern is this ayat below that refute you.




And We have not sent you, [O Muhammad], except as a mercy to the worlds. 21:107




“Blessed is He Who sent down the Furqan (The Distinction of right and wrong) upon His servant that he may be a Warner to the worlds;” Furqan 1



Say, [O Muhammad], "O mankind, indeed I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, [from Him] to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. There is no deity except Him; He gives life and causes death." So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered prophet, who believes in Allah and His words, and follow him that you may be guided. 7:158





Honestly I didn't need to have to quote anything knowing too well you are just deceiving yourself due to emotions which cloud your judgement. Maybe after you calm down you will rethink, retract and sober.

When does making a rational point become an 'emotional' response? It seems you are fasting and you need concentrate on it and stop making a frivolous claim. The fact remains that your quran makes no sense without the hadith, and the hadith is the compilation of rumors and gossips by a man, 250 years after Mohammed's death, who never saw Mohammed or any of his companions and this same hadith (rumors and gossips) are what you guys use in the interpretation of the quran. This is an 'expo' bro and try open your mind to a more critical reasoning free from religious dogma.