₦airaland Forum

Empiree:
no. I told you to ask him but you didn't. We used to ask him if he's muslim but he would give mixed answer. Sometimes he would say he's Muslim. At times he would tell us he's not. He would say he's a "believer" because he doesn't want to identify with Muslims. This is sign of hypocrite.

If the guy identify himself as a Muslim, why the doubt from you? You may not like his brand of Islam or him being critical of certain Islamic beliefs but take his words as it is with respect to his religious affiliation.

Empiree:
which religious minority?. Jews?. CHRISTIANs? It Yemeni Shia?. If it is Jews and CHRISTIANS any evidence of Saudi bombing them?. If it is Yemen then that's our business not yours. We will sort that out amongst us. Saudi it's wrong and at the same time Saudi is supplied weapons by Judeo CHRISTIAN West to kill fellow Muslims. And the 'ill' in Sharia you talked about, Sharia is not institutionalized by your standard of thinking. So you have no right to speak on Sharia. If you think you have the right them we will question your religion never it is not free from what you blame Sharia for. And point of correction. It is not activities btw Saudi and the West. It is activities btw Saudi and Judeo CHRISTIAN world. Trump has Christianized America. He has America was founded in Christian principles. So don't play smart.

Obama said and I quote: 'America is no longer a christian nation'. Obama also said: 'Islam has always been part of the US'. Using Obama as a yardstick for Islamic thought, Muslims always choose to render the west anything they deem fit based on circumstances and event. The president of Turkey, Tayyip Edorgan, said that the US was founded my Muslims and that the Christians in the US are late comers and settler, who do I believe? Obama, Edorgan or you? On the saudi killings in Yemen, please dont blame the west. The sauidis are buying weapons they don't need and no one forces them to buy. The Saudis already has religious and political leverage over hundreds of millions of Muslims; they dont need to spend billions of dollars on US weapon to get their security. And if they kill Yemenis with a US-made weapon, don't blame the US but the Saudis for the sufferings of the Yemeni people. And remember, Iran is also armed by the Russians and these weapons are being used in Yemen to, against the saudi-backed regime.

Empiree:
northern Nigeria is more of culture thing. Which means northern CHRISTIANs most likely indulge in it. Give us formal statistic of Muslims in child marriage?. Northerners are known for "marrying" their children prepubescent and then wait until they are matured. That's what I knew about them for long.

It is first a religious thing which has also turned a cultural thing. In Kano, girls as young as 13 already have 2 children for older men, and remember the story of baby Aisha and Mohammed.

Empiree:
reason they migrate to the West is because Judeo Christian bombed their land and took their resources to force them out. And this is not Muslims only but "people of color". No one stops you from applying for US Visa.

Almost all the Arab world are migrating to the US and Europe. You cant convince me that all the Muslim world are in crisis; hijra is a religious duty in Islam. Remember the exodus of Mohammed from mecca to Medina; the migration of the fulanis to the hausalands. The pattern remain the same with or without conflict.

Empiree:
we now live in the present. You are the one currently terrorizing the world and finding terrorists disguise as Muslims. Your trademarks are in everything. It is no longer news that Judeo Christian world funded alkaida and isis. They are the ones breaking up countries and over throwing governments.

Oppression, unfotunatley, is part of human nature. If God shift power to the Muslim world, they will also oppress the kafir. The Muslims/Arabs had done it before and will do it again if they have the opportunity.

Empiree:
Beret is British Christian monopoly symbol which was enforced on others

Provide the Bible verse to support your claim.

Oshin56:
I don't think I have answer to that question because I'm not a Muslim

OK.

Empiree:
ask him if he is muslim?.

'usermane' identified as a Muslim and I have no reason/evidence to believe otherwise.

Empiree:
what's the fuse here?. Many muslims were arrested and jailed in the West. They always suspect them of doing something. Go back to at least 10yrs ago and read Democracy Now, Aaroson, the author of fbi entrapment and many more. Or a Muslim family jailed for life for his charity work under Bush administration. Muslim father and son jailed for sending money overseas and the list is very very long. They specifically targetted muslim community.

What's the relationship between the atrocities the Saudi government is committing against religious minorities, in the name of religion/sharia, and the activities of the western power? I highlighted the ills in sharia and you drag the west into it, I can;t get how you guys reason at times.

Empiree:
where did you get your statistic from?. "Millions". That's heck of a lot. In that case every Muslim household must have someone married to a child. And who told you south east Nigeria don't have the same tradition?. You don't read news, abi? Is it okay then to accuse all CHRISTIANs for the barbaric action of Catholics for defiling boys and "pedophilism"

You come again; blame others to deflect the argument. The fact remains that child marriage is ingrained in Islamic culture and the adherents are doing their best to follow the way of the prophet. I used northern Nigeria as a case study because you are likely a Nigerian and would most likely be familiar with Hausa and Fulani culture.

Empiree:
you really don't know how to lie?. These outlets that spent their time post 9/11 tarnishing Islam?. Try harder.

Muslims are protected 'species' in the west while Christians are endangered 'species' in the Arab/Muslim world. This is a known fact. Muslims are allowed to migrate, en mass, to the infidel west while christian can never migrate the ummah Arab/Muslim world (except to dubai for picnic) . And you know what, alomost all the western media encourage Muslim migration to the west as part of what they call 'multiculturalism' or 'cultural enrichment'. When the New Zealand terror attack happened, Obama, Hillary Clinton, etc call it 'attack against Muslim worshipers' but when the Sri Lanka Islamic terror occured, Obama and Hillary Clinton called it 'Easter Worshipers' attack. Can you see how the refused to name the victims as Christians while the quickly identified the victims in the New Zealand attacks as 'Muslims'?

Empiree:
No. It is not Western military. It is Judeo CHRISTIAN military invasion of muslim lands.

Ok, it is a Judeo CHRISTIAN military invasion of Muslim lands. The Ottoman also invaded Judeo Christian lands at the height of their military might. The rightly guided khalif did the same. As I said earlier, the world is a jungle and the lions will continue preying on weaker animals.

Empiree:
and Beret enforced in girls in school, what does that signifies?. It is the same beret used in CHRISTIAN churches enforced on Nigerian schools by CHRISTIAN British. It is the same beret used by British army. A sign of political CHRISTIAN crusaders.

The beret is never a religious symbol, unlike the hijab. Stop dragging issues that are not necessary.

budaatum:
The nation stopped this afternoon to reflect and remember the victims of the Christchurch terror attack that claimed 50 lives a week ago.

At 1.30pm, among flowers of remembrance, the Muslim Call to Prayer went out, followed by two minutes of silence as thousands gathered at Hagley Park opposite the Al Noor Mosque in Deans Avenue in Christchurch.

The Prime Minister began the service and Al Noor Mosque Imam Gamal Fouda then delivered a powerful speech of thanks to New Zealand and message of peace.


https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/live-stream-nation-reflects-christchurch-terror-attacks?variant=tb_v_1

What about the Islamic terrorism in Sri Lanka this Easter where almost 300 Christians died from suicide bombing?

Alhajiemeritus:
True.
The guy doesn't want evidence from the Quran, he wants to pull out evidence from his own ass.
He keeps going around and around without even understanding what Islam is.

What the guy is simply asking for is a secular history to collaborate the alleged quranic evidence.

IMAliyu:
No alternate documentation exists besides the hadiths and not unless you can provide another more accurate history. The hadiths remain valid.

The hadith can never be considered a book of history because it a a mere narration by people that were assumed to be close to the Islamic prophet. Pieces of disorganized narrations by about 50 people can never be used as a source of history. A material whose adherants had also graded as 'weak', 'fabricated' and 'authentic' can not be used as a source of history because of the thousands of bias it will contain.

Empiree:
why do you think I should waste my time on him and you when I'm fact you have the very same things, similar or worst than us?. For as long as you have those verses of the Bible quoted by the brother up there, they remain valid. U have shamelessly abandoned them for secular laws. So I wonder why you claimed to follow Jesus.


How many Muslims practice everything he mentioned? Because that's what he said about Bible. He said those passages are there but doesn't mean they practice or follow them.

So for many Muslims involve in child marriage?

How many Muslims have you seen amputated hands of thieves ?. How many muslims have you seen stoned people for adultery?. Until you follow and practice these rules in your Bible i will not put myself in defensive mode.

Speaking about man's right to his believe, is it not media houses headed by Christians that propagate when it comes to Islam and muslims?. When pastor's daughters marry muslims or converted to CHRISTIANITY where was the media?. The recent one where pastor daughter got pregnant for Muslim, pastor sectrely aborted her pregnancy, took her phone away from communicating with the guy and locked her up in the house. If this is Muslim family what do you think media would say?.

You all need to stop deceiving yourselves. I'm not supporter of anyone threatening apostates just for living religion. They have that right.

The so called human rights is boosh!t and double standards. They are concerned about others' rights where it suits them. For example, they bombed historical Christian churches in Iraq and Syria through their funded terror!sts.... No solidarity whatsoever. But when Notre Dame engulfed by fire n France they mourned. Or the rights of Muslim students they frustrated in Nigeria over hijab?. Don't they have the right to wear hijab?. Even in Western world there is no issues on hijab in schools or at work. They are selective about human rights.

You guys always try to drag Christianity into an argument that seems embarrassing to Islam. The topic is '25 sharia law breaching human right' and the person that opened the thread is still a Muslim, why drag Christianity into the matter?

The last time I checked, Saudi Arabia still kills/imprisons apostates, behead people in the public, cut hands of petty thieves (while the Saudi princes steal and launder billions of dollars abroad). These are sunnah of the proohet; they are simply following the ways of the prophet.

Millions of Muslims still engage in child marriage. Northern Nigeria has one of the highest incidence of child marriages in the world because the believed Mohammed did it hence find justification in doing that from the prophet.

On people's right to their belief, the corrupt western media (BBC, CNN, MSNBC, NYT, etc) spend all their energies attacking the Catholic church while shielding Islam. Most of the media houses in the US and Europe are subsidized by the Saudi and Qatari government to protect the image of Islam.

And FYA, I am against western military intervention in the Arab world. The point is that both the Western world and the Arab world are bad in terms of oppressing the weak. The Islamic caliphate will do the worst if they are in the position of the Christian west (the Christian west is also evil).

And for the hijab, every institution has a dress code but the Muslims have politicize the hijab worldwide; it is now not only a religious symbol, but also a political symbol. The Iranian and the Saudi government will jail any woman, according to the sharia law, who doesn't wear the hijab. You don't politicize and Arabian cultural outfit, that mental slavery and stupidity. In abuja, you are likely to get a better service in the ministry once you wear the hijab; the belief is that there is a high tendency that you are either an Hausa or Fulani lady.

On a final note, the world is like a jungle where lions eat/oppress all the weak animals.

najib632:
This guy is funny, tell us how the people have been drinking the water and surving for the past 1300+ years with falling sick if it was the millions of the Saudi government that was purifying it? And who said it has no spiritual healing or super natural value? You annoy me so much I swear. You who claims to be a Christian doesn't know the story of Ishmael and his mother? Of course not everything can be verified by science. A well of just 17 meters producing 100000s of litres per day. How do you expect anyone to have an explanation for that, except the Muslims who say it's a miracle of Allah.

Don't be upset with me; just look at the rational side of things. It's like a Christian who visit Jerusalem and come back to tell me that he came back with a piece of cloth which Jesus wore. Or a Christian who visits Israel and come back with water from river Jordan. I used to take them serious when I was younger but I now see that it's all nonsenses.

The zam-zam water fall into the same category as above. How can Muslims preach against shirk and still tell me of the 'miracles' of zam-zam water Is that not shirk? It is true that hundreds of Millions of Muslims have been drinking from the water, even before modern science, but I can tell you, with all sense of honesty, if the zam-zam well water is not purified, well treated and any iron and acidic contents removed, people will be falling sick and some will develop different kind of water-related sicknesses from taking the water. Religion should not make us irrational.

We have thousands of wells in many part of the world that people have been drinking water from for hundreds of years, so what's the big deal about the zam-zam well, except for religious gratification! Go and check the life expectancy of people that lived within the perimeter where the zam-zam well is sited about 200-400 years ago, when the water was not treated, and now and you will see the difference. About 200 years ago, the people that lives closer to the water and used it for both domestic and spiritual need have a shorter life-span than the current generation. What do you think can responsible for that? I tell you, it is many variable and the type of water they consume cannot be ignored.

Empiree:
I doubt this. I know usermane in Islam section since 2014.

Although he had used other moniker around 2015 few times and he also changed to another one recently. Whatever it is, many Muslims are against his fake manhaj called "Quraniyun".

And at that time in 2015 he was praised by Christians especially true2god, malviguy and ifeann for being "moderate Muslim".

Indeed I remembered the dude called analice and annunaki. Those are another pain in the neck.

I don't think you need dwell much on 'usermane' but on the issue at hand. The topic is not about any person and all man has every right to his belief.

tintingz:
You have a book that's perfect (free from faults and complete) then you wrote another entire book saying same thing, this time with different name. Why can't you use the existing one as reminder?

Does this even make sense to you?

It's either such person is suffering from a disorder or the book is not perfect in the first place.

And besides where can we find these books so that we can compare them.

That's simple plagiarism and in this modern era Mohammed and his sahabas would be sued for copyright violation. You can't lift another man's work without authorization and still arrogant to call yours the 'most authentic from Allah'.

najib632:
The process of documentation of the Qur'an was detailed and thoroughly observed.
For more information about the process of documentation watch the video below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzSyGjsd9jY

Who supervised the documentation of the Quran and what audit measure did they put in place to avoid errors? How can you call a material perfect when the source documents were burnt? How can be reconcile what we have in the Quran against the original source documents that were written on stones, bones, camel skin, leaves, skins of some sahabas, etc. Was Mohammed around to supervise the final compilation and documentation of the Quran?

tintingz:
LMAO!!!

It seems this dude is a newbie or not frequent here.

I think he is new on nairaland; he is very much welcome to where religion is rationalised and dissected.

lukui:
ihdinna siratal mustaqim! hasbiyakallahu lai illaha illa allahu alayhi tawakaltu wahuwa robil arshil azim!!

Almighty God please come and save me. from these soul sucking disbelievers ooooo!!!!

in You (God ) only is my strength ooooo


God who asked me to even comment before, next time I will mind my business,

soul sucking devils!!!!!

I don't know that they plenty like this for nairaland chai CHINEKE Mere!!!!! (bikeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

'Tintinz' asked a valid question that requires a rational response and not an emotional outburst.

Oshin56:
how did you that Al Quran was adultered or you where there when the only prophet was receiving the message

Yes it was adulterated because Mohammed never asked his sahabas to compile his alleged 'revelations' as a single book. In fact Mohammed will be hell shocked if he wakes up and see what you guys call the Quran of today. Who created the chapters and the verses of the Quran? Who made it into 116 chapters? Who wrote al-fatiha, Mohammed, Allah or the sahabas (read al-fatiha Quran 1:1-7)? Why did Uthman ibn affan burn some copies (the original manuscripts) of the Quran? Did other sahabas agree with the 'uthmanic' version of the Quran? Are there verses in the Quran that were cancelled (sahih Bukhari 4:52:69, 3:31:170)? Why are there laws in the hadith (sunnan ibn majjah 1944) but were omitted in the Quran? etc.

Answer the questions above and tell me/us if the Quran has not been adulterated.

lukui:
yes they are books of Allah and they were revealed with perfection, but some of them were later adulterated by men, but the last one which is Al Quran was not and will never be adulterated and will remain in perfection till eternity!

Can you prove this claim using the Quran and the hadith and not what your imam told you at the mosque?

Empiree:
True2god knows he's a damn joke but he and others play along to make him comfortable.

They know he's fake Muslim.

He is not a 'damn joke'; I think he only has a paradigm shift in terms of how he views Islamic religion. I have seen so much shift like this on nairaland. He only 'reviewed' some Islamic beliefs and decided to take a rational view on them. Besides, 'usermane' is 100% entitled to his belief without any form of intimidation and bigotry.

Empiree:
hypocrite!

You quoted from Hadith to justify your hatred for Islam. Why didn't you say this same thing about Islam/Quran/Hadith/fiqh?.

You are damn hypocritical. You show your true color now

I am confused; I thought 'usermane' is a Muslim. He has been defending Islam on nairaland for over 5 years, what could have gone wrong?

AryEmber:
Did you give him that title?

Which title?

Khaleell001:
Because you said so?
I don't argue with ladies who can hardly be coherent with their views.

Yes, Mohammed said that women are deficient in reasoning.

Ngasky:
So you don't know they exist in the bible before your writeup but you googled up fake translation of Quranic verses?

Usermane is a Muslim. If one is not a Muslim, that does not make him a Christian automatically.

olaitan9291:
This is purely political and why are you mixing it with religion?
Do you realize that Sambo Dazuki is a Muslim and Northerner
And El-Zekzeki also a Northerner and Muslim, no Muslim mixed it with religion.
So please, stop mixing things up.

Stop fooling yourself. Dasuk's travail was as a result of the old wound Buhari had to open. Dasuki was used by Babangida to punish Buhari and Buhari is only taking his revenge on Dansuki. You think you are dealing with babies?

The people I blame are docile Christians who still support this jihadist regime, especially south west Christians. The Muslims, worldwide, know how to play their games, especially when/where Christians are involved while the so-called self-righteous Christians either ignore the Islamic deceit or suddenly developed anesthesia on Islamic ways of operation.

I am never a fan of Yakubu Gowon but on this issue I agree with him; the Yorubas are being used by the Fulanis for a complete conquest of the south.

Rilwayne001:
An atheist turned a religionist is suffering from 'religious stockholm syndrome' - Atheist.

Whereas "atheists express their rage against God although in their view he doesn't exist ". LMAO

Another foolish atheist asked, you can't be intelligent and be religious at the same time.

Bunch of arrogant slowpokes.

Provide a logical argument why Muslim apostate is ignorant of Islam while a new convert is not. This is so simple and a straightforward challenge.

seunmsg:
TY Danjuma is behind NCEF. He personally supervised the killings of Agunyi Ironsi and Adekunke Fajuyi. Ironsi was Nigeria’s first Christian ruler. Today, TY Danjuma is playing the religion card because he had fell out with the current administration.

It was not a big deal to him when he killed a Christian head of state and replaced him with a Muslim but it’s a big deal if a turn coat judge is convicted by a tribunal of competent jurisdiction. Such an hypocrite.

Face the issue at hand and stop deflecting. This is a stealth Islamic jihad which we have seen for a long time. The prophet of Islam said and I quote: WAR IS DECEIT! Only the gullible will not seen the religious dimension in this issue.

correctyourself:
They should go and seat down, this has nothing to do with religion, I am a Christian; however the law have to take it course on this matter. Well done Nigeria Constitution.

If you are a 'Christian' then you are a Yoruba 'Christian' who will support even Hitler as long as your are benefitting from a bad and evil system. That's how the cosmic forces make you guys to behave and I fully understand and it's never your doing to be treacherous in nature.

That aside, this is a clear-cut stealth Jihad at play, using a so-called VP 'pastor' as a shield in their quest for a total political control and also for a religious conquest, using their 'sophisticated' conspirators (useful idiots) who are power hungry for 2023.

Approved by the 'holy prophet' (Qur'an 4:34). It is the sunnah of the 'prophet'.

Empiree:
Catholic is the largest christian sect estimated at 1.2 billion headed by pope which is recognized worldwide as the christian leader. It is the same institution that harbors pedophilias and subsequently sweep their crimes under the carpet. So you can see christianity is not in line with Jesus bcus you just confirmed the statement goes against mainstream. But catholic is mainstream being the largest. See how guilty christianity is?. You are definitely not following Jesus.



what are you insinuating after you have confirmed catholic is wrong?. Jesus being "spirit of Allah" means God to you?. The same way Jesus was created by spirit of Allah which was breath into him was breathed into every human being including you and I.


Here, Allah says He breath into Adam (human generally as He breath into Jesus)


"When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him." Q15:29


If Adam is not God, me and you are not God, what makes Jesus God bcus he is Allah's spirit just like Adam, you and I?

You quite know that hundreds of millions of Christians hold doctrines diametrically opposite what the Catholics believe. The Protestant churches didn't hold that belief, "Mary mother of God", neither did the Bible. We believe in the Bible and not the Catholic creed. The same way millions of shia will condemn some aspects of sunni beliefs, the non-catholic Christians also repudiate many unscriptural Catholic beliefs and practices.

On the spirit from Allah issue, you are a product of the Union between your parents and you are never from 'any spirit from Allah'. You and i do not have any divine conception without sexual intercourse prior birth. Don't write your own Quran.

tintingz:
Are you tired of your delusion?

The guy is deceiving himself and I think he is new on nairaland. He wants to do 'dawah' to his bosses on nairaland.

They won't because it doesn't serve any religious, ethnic or political purpose to them. They will only react if they were of other ethnic nationality, except Hausa, Fulani or Yoruba.

Empiree:
you don't need to get Muslims in this anymore. You have to present evidence that Muslims worship Muhammad at his grave. We are allowed to visit his grave and send salawat on him. Some may also seek his tawasul. This is not idolatry. Unless a Muslim specifically do something contrary to Sharia at his grave, but we are yet to see that.

Aren't you Catholic?

If you denounce them for saying Mary is mother of God, the implication is that you don't believe Jesus is God. I'm I right?

I am not a Catholic and the teaching "Mary mother of God" is against mainstream Christian teaching. Jesus, according to the Quran, is the spirit of Allah. What's the difference between 'the spirit from Allah' and Allah himself? Are you also a spirit from Allah? Is Mohammed a spirit from Allah?

Empiree:
why do you think I should engage you on clear cut practices unless you wanna deceive yourself?.

Catholics say "Mary mother of God". Do muslims say this of muhammad?. We only send peace and blessings upon him.

Saying "Mary mother of God" is also blasphemous and should be condemned. The Catholics veneration of saints is also a form of idolatry, together with some Muslim sects 'worshipping' at the grave of Mohammed, Imam Ali, Imam Hussein, and some other religious figures.

tintingz:
It's like saying Ronaldo leaving Real Madrid was because he was not a professional player.

That's it. I know many so-called former imams who have left Islam. I know of a pastor who stopped going to church. It's not by force to stay in any religion and thank God we are not in Saudi Arabia where leaving Islam is tantamount to wanting to commit suicide.