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Demmzy15:
Donald Trump go shock many of una, just watch and see. Lemme tell you a fact, I preferred him to Hillary because he's a better option. So stop putting up rubbish memes as if your head hit ground.

Yesterday, Donald Trump aides told Israeli right wings to stop celebrating about his victory. Very unpredictable, e go shock you say the guy just revert to Islam!

The swamp will be drained of all islamic filth in the US, from CAIR to the muslim brotherhood. Mr Trump's adviser, as at yesterday, had already made it clear that their priority will be to de-legitimize CAIR, Muslim brotherhood and the MSA. No place for sharia, misogyny, hatred for christians and and Jews in the US. Muslims should keep their psychotic and criminal behaviors in the middle east and pakistan.

Thank God for the americas first and second amendment, which hillarry clinton wanted to destroy, which will forever oppose the accomodation of islam in the US. If muslims are not happy they can relocate to saudi arabia, qatar or iran.

Why is saudi foreign affair minister, iran president complaining, pakistani leader crying that crooked Hillarry lost? Use your brain, we kafirs have read your evil quran and hadith.

rhektor:
Don't take the kafri as friends yet you want to seek asylum in their land? Hypocrisy
Why not stay in your country where you can find like minds? Where you can carry out the laws of Allah. Muslims are tired of the tyranny in Islam. A more reason why they are deserting their own countries.

It is called Hijra, migrate to conquer. Remember Mohammed's migration to Medina (from mekka) and the consequence to Arabia, remember the migration of uthman Dan fodio to sokoto (from futan jalon) and the consequence to Nigeria.

Understand the Islamic history and the Arabs playbook.

plappville:
GBAM GBAM AND GBAM.....Oya, let them answer you now..

The fact is thar the kafir are more blessed than the muslims. Except for oil and gas in the arabian gulf, all other muslims countries are shitholes hence muslims are running to the land of the kafirs as refugees or economic migrants.

Most arabs\muslims would rather choose a sharia-free west than saudi arabia, pakistan, iran, sudan, uae, etc. Muslims cant even accept the laws of allahh, why? Hypocrisy.

I became the happiest man on earth when Donald Trump defeated Hillary in the last US election. Mubarak Hussein Obama, the lying and criminal US Muslim President, wanted to consolidate the Muslim advantage in the US, a country developed and built by the Christians and Jews, by campaigning for the crooked Hillary Clinton so that she can allow the importation of millions of Muslim migrants in order to finally destroy the US from within. No wonder Muslims worldwide are mourning Hillary Clinton's defeat, their evil plans had failed. May God punish Obama, the christian and Jewish hater.

I support every steps patriotic Americans are taking to protect their country from Islamic invasion. Islam will bring the death of America because it offers nothing but wars, poverty, hate and misogyny. It is time to drain the swamp, as promised by president Trump. Therere are 51 Muslim countries Muslims can migrate to, since they can't live with kafirs. More than 90% of Muslims I know hate the US, why are Muslims then running to the same country they hate?

annunaki2:
Sunnah of the 'prophet'.

Fatima's children, hassan and Hussein, looked like Mohammed, their grandfather.

Are woke Soyinka and TB Joshua related? Just curios.

aminusanti:
So, thats the context of the verse (9:29)??
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What a wasted soul!.. you really dnt deserve even a minute.

Over to u READERS compare the 2 context and decide for yourselves and also know who is d DECEIVER here

No wonder islamic socities are shitholes because of poor reasoning and lies. I am sorry, people like you are the reason Donald Trump do not want muslims in the US. Muslims and lies and aggressions are mutually inclusive hence western nations are tired of islam and muslims in their civilized and developed countries. They dont want their blessed countries turned into another islamic hell-holes.

Even your fellow muslims cant defend your lies hence they back-off. Quran 9:29-30 is indefensible to any sane mind. Verse 30 is the continuation of verse 29 which placed curse on the christians and the Jews for making a 'partners' with allahh. No other religion preaches warfare against infidels except islam, except islam. As a said earlier, islam is an arab criminal syndicate with a god called allahh.

Even mohammed said and I quote: 'I have been given a simplest expression with the widest meaning and I have been made victorious by means of terror' (sahih bukhari 4:52:220). You noble prophet even proudly admitted that he is a terrorist. Shame on you and your criminal prophet.

alBHAGDADI:
The Islamist is only trying to divert attention away from the violent quranic verses he couldn't explain.

Dont mind him, thats the islamic way of defending allahh and his apostle. Divert attention from the main issue. Almost all muslims are trained liars.

aminusanti:
Thats why u never gain or learn anything here with dis ur blind argument, thats why I stopped responding to u bcus u are like a programmed fool, nothing makes sense to u whether u understand it or not, everything is useless as long as it doesn't go with ur beliefs.. just look at how almost every1 stopped givin u attention and u went ahead creating new NL accounts thinking everyone is foolish like you. Simple 1+1 u can't comprehend
I gave a simple explanation of a verse context (quran 9:29) why don't u give us it proper context if mine is a lie?? Useless time waster

@ seun pls kindly take note of this liar here
He is having multiple accounts here on NL using it to deceive pple
Here are some of his fake monikers
>True2god
>truthman2012
>alBHAGDADI etc

You are an idiot for calling me truthman2012 and\or alBHAGDADI. If you are confused go and sleep. Stop making a wrong assertion when your islamic lies are being exposed.

aminusanti:
The verse 9:29 is a command to fight the Byzantine Romans and other hostile powers who were planning an invasion against the Muslims in Arabia. In context, it is a distinctresponse to aggression, in particular the assassination of one of the Prophet’s ambassadors.

this context must be understood when reading verse 9:29 so that we clearly know who should be fought, specifically the aggressors among the Jews and Christians and not all of them. Rather, many other verses of the Quran make clear that it is unlawful to initiate hostilities against other nations.

Allah said:

"Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Verily, Allah does not love transgressors."

NOW explain this bible verses and highlight d difference btw d quanic verse u quoted for us to understand

If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant;

17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;

17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel;

17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

Well I am not shocked as lying is perfectly halal in islam, especially in the defense of allahh and his apostle. Bro, you are talking bullshit as usual.

Let me re-quote the ayah since you are deliberately deceptive:

Quran 9:29, Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while humbled (subdued).

Since you delivery chosed to be deceptive and you want to make islam look like advance physics, I will help you out by highliting the simple facts shown below:

1) allahh asked muslims to fight those who do not believe in the last day.

2) allahh asked muslims to fight those who do not make lawful what allahh and mohammed had made lawful. If allahh had made eating pork and taking a larger beer unlawful while a kafir like me like eating pork and taking beer, mohammed asked muslims to fight me. This is simple english, oh lying muslim.

3) allahh asked muslims to fight me for not adopting 'the religion of truth', that is islam. This means that muslims have right to fight me for not being a muslim.

4) for muslims not to fight me, a christian\Jew, I must willingly pay jizya and feel subdued and humiliated. This is the summary of quran 9:29 since you have deliberately choosed to lack any comprehension skill with regards to quran 9:29.

You should hide in shame for trying to twist what allahh had made plain to muslims.

Wilgrea7:
like i said... no insult intended.. i am really curious and i want to know... if u claim i quoted it out of context and you have an explanation, then i am sincerely willing to hear it.

You didnt quote any quranic verse out of context. Muslims like deceiving themselves and lying to kafirs.

aminusanti:
i am asking u in other to know exactly what u are up to, at first u just mentioned muslim are to be killing non muslim with 0 proof to back ur claims and thats what makes me asked u those simple questions.
i can go ahead and explain those verses that u misquoted above but i just want to be sure that u are not here for blind arguements and accusations?

Quran 9:29,

Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while humbled (subdued).

How can you explain away this evil instruction by Mohammed ibn abdullah? An incitement to genocide against non-muslims.

And Muslims have no problem with Saudi Arabia banning Christians and Jews from setting foot on mecca and Medina, because the devil, aka allahh, called them 'the worst of creatures' (Quran 98:6) while the devil, aka allahh, called Muslims 'the best of mankind' (Quran 3:110). And one stupid yeye saudi desert prince even had the gut to
ask Mr Donald Trump step down from the presidential race for suggesting a complete ban on Muslim migration to the US while he never saw anything wrong with Saudi Arabia national policy of refusing Christians visa except they are coming as diplomats, oil worker, or US military attaché. As a matter of fact, Saudi Arabia can never and will never issue any Christian or Jew a visiting visa. Why is Islam a religion of irrationality and false superiority? It is because allahh said so.

Islam demands full respect where it offers non to non Muslims. Non-muslims are traditionally dihmmi, or second class, in Muslim countries, as instructed by allahh (Quran 9:29) while the demand for take over of the lands of the kafirs, whether by force or crook. This is the simple reason why a wise man called Islam 'an Arabian crime syndicate with religious backing'.

As a matter of fact, why do Muslims desire to go the the US, the land of kafirs? Why are Muslims struggling to migrate to a country where the citizens do not like them and would not welcome them? Why are Muslims crying because Mr Donald Trump proposed banning them from entry? Why can't Muslims call Donald Trump 'a foool' by boycotting the US altogether, as more than 99% of Christians had boycotted Saudi Arabia and their allahh-induced discriminatory policy against the kafirs? This is because over 80% of Islamic countries are poor and not conducive for migration. Even average Muslims, except for hajj or umra, will never plan settling down in Saudi Arabia because of their not conducive environment. As a matter of fact, Muslim countries are mostly not conducive for Muslims themselves hence they are all running to Europe and America.

Muslims should condemn Saudi Arabia before they condemn Donald Trump.

Abdulgaffar22:
See what the atheists must believe and accept wholeheartedly; They must believed that; 1.Nature CAN NEITHER LIVE NOR DIE, yet a creature THAT CAN LIVE AND DIE evolved from the same very nature 2.Nature is BLIND, yet a creature that can SEE evolved from the same very nature. 3.Nature is DEAF yet a creature that can HEAR evolved from the same very nature. 4.Nature is DUMB, yet a creature that can TALK and SPEAK different languages evolved from the same very nature. 5. Nature is NOT a KNOWLEDGEABLE entity ,yet a creature that CAN KNOW and SEARCH for KNOWLEDGE to the extent of OBSERVING ITS OWN BRAIN in the laboratory evolved from the same very nature. 6.Nature is NOT INTELLIGENT, yet an INTELLIGENT creature evolved from the same very nature. 7.Nature is NOT SELF-AWARE, yet a creature with FULL SELF AWARENESS evolved from the same very nature. 8.Nature CANNOT THINK yet , a creature that CAN THINK logically and formulate a rational argument evolved from the same very nature. 9.Nature CANNOT MOVE VOLUNTARILY AND CONTROLLABLY yet a creature that CAN MOVE VOLUNTARILY AND CONTROLLABLY evolved from the same nature. 10.Nature CAN NOT EXPERIENCE ANY EMOTIONAL FEELINGS, yet a creature that CAN EXPERIENCE FEELINGS LIKE LOVE, ANGER HAPPINESS, SADNESS etc evolve from the same very nature. 11. Nature is MORALLY NEUTRAL, yet a creature that can MORALLY DISTINGUISH between RIGHT AND WRONG evolved from the same very nature. 12. Nature CANNOT FOUND ANY CIVILIZATION, yet a creature CAPABLE OF FOUNDLING CIVILIZATIONS like Education, Marriage, Politics, Sports and Entertainments,Religion etc evolved from the same very nature.See what the atheists must embrace without any iota of doubt- A chain of amazing and wonderful features which are NOWHERE to be found in any part of the nature were later evolved from the SAME VERY nature as a result of ACCUMULATED RANDOM PROCESS - an illogical and contradictory belief. Yet the same people will be blaming and laughing at the religious people for believing in God. Which one is more reasonable and logical: to believe that those amazing and wonderful features possessed by human being were deliberately created by God or to believe that these features just evolved due to random process accumulated over billions of years

You are now making sense. I agree with u here.

EyeHateGod:
LOL Like some Messiah In the Jewish Mythology Didn't do Worse

We are discussing Mohammed bro. You claim to hate God, why are you obsessed with God and religion?

EyeHateGod:
I Thought It was Krishina?

Mohammed can best be described as an Arab tribal leader, a warlord and a great strategist. He is not a kind man let alone a prophet. In this modern world, Mohammed will be serving a life sentence for war crime and incitement to violence (Quran 9:5, Qur'an 8:60, Quran 8:39, Quran 2:191-92, Quran 9:5, sahih bukhari 4:52:220).

APCsupporter:
The sharia bill will be passed into law Insha Allah

You mean in the republic of arewastan?

Generalyemi:
afonja pastors

Who are the afonja pastors?

plappville:
Have you ever thought of asking yourself why all Muslims are labelled thieves, charlatans, murderers, terrorist, brutes, troublesome and walfare profiters in the West? Do u care to ask why arabic language is the only terrorist language known in history? Ask yourself why muslims are tagged criminals, rapists etc. Ask why is the koran full of hate and evil, why you worship a moon idol god called allah.

LAstly, sit down and meditate over this last one. Why is islam a copy and paste of Jewish and Christian book? If you can answer urself, and come out with a good sense of humour. Only then you will start talking like an adult.

I think Italy and France have technically started closing down some mosques because of the dangers they pose to a civilised society and because of some radical Imams who always call for the death of infidels and those who insult islam and the prophet of allahh. It will reach a climax when Britain join.

The problem with the arabs is that they will always want to bend the host country's laws (because over 90% of muslims in europe are migrants or children of migrants) to accomodate the dictate of shariah while muslims will want non-muslims to obey sharia law in muslim lands. The europeans are beginning to learn this islamic arrogance and are workin hard to bring it to an end. Islamic arrogance is enshrined in the quran where allahh deceptively told them that they (muslims) are the 'best of mankind' (quran 3:110-111) while the Jews and the christians are the 'worst of creatures' (quran 98:6).

So these allahh-induced arrogance make arabs see europeans as people to be easily exploited. However, unless the arabs\muslims start behaving rationally, they will be kicked out of europe for the third time and it wont be funny this time around.

The bias moderator will not move this thread where it rightfully belongs to but will quickly push an honest debate to 'a trash can'. What has the once great nairaland become?

www.nairaland.com/3436706/muslims-why-did-mohammed-forbid/1

The topic is all about the reasons why Mohammed gave a standing order that his widows should never re-marry while he married so many widow during his lifetime.

The thread above is currently trending on the nairaland religion section but was maliciously moved to the 'Islam for Muslims sections' in order to restrict access to the topic a non-muslim created. This action constitute a brazen arrogance and wrongful use of power. I wanted to comment on the thread I created only to be asked if I am a Muslim so that I can do that. This is wrong and unacceptable. Things should be done in a rational manner and education is not possible without asking critical questions. If this topic is all about Christian bashing it will remain for ages.

Nevertheless, let honest mind continue this discussion here, and I hope the arrogant moderators will not move this topic to the desert again.

Empiree:
Very simple. Prophet (Allah's Blessings and Peace be upon him)'s wives are not like ordinary women. They are mother to the believers (muslims). You are just trying to argue that it was unjust to the wives to be forbidden to remarry. But such an argument shows total ignorance of the details of the issue and status of the wives of the Prophet (Allah's peace and Blessings be upon him) in the House of Islam.

I was wondering why you did not quote preceding verse in the same chapter (sura 33:6)?. In very clear terms Quran calls the Wives of the Holy Prophet (Allah's peace and Blessings be upon him) as the Mothers of the Believers. Allah says in the Holy Quran:



[size=14pt]"The Prophet is closer to the Believers than their own selves, and his wives are their mothers." (Quran 33:6)[/size]



This shows the strong spiritual connection between the Holy Prophet's wives and the Believers and obviously the command under discussion goes very much in consonance with their status mentioned here. None with even the slightest sense of morality will ever take an exception to it. Question now is, will you marry your mother tru2god?. If you can marry your mother you are very disgusting.


And his [Allah's peace and Blessings be upon him] wives will remain his even in the Hereafter:


There is a prayer in Hadith, a prayer of the Holy Prophet (Allah's peace and Blessings be upon him) regarding his wives. It is stated:


قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم : سألت ربي عز وجل أن لا أزوج أحدا من أمتي ، ولا أتزوج إلا كان معي في الجنة فأعطاني



Allah's Messenger (Allah's peace and Blessings be upon him) said: [size=14pt]'I asked Allah that I marry none of my people but she be with me in the Heaven and I was granted.'[/size] (Mustadrik Al-Hakim, Hadith 4650. Hakim termed it as Sahih)



And as they were to be the wives of the Prophet (Allah's peace and Blessings be upon him) both here and hereafter so the wives of the Holy Prophet (Allah's peace and Blessings be upon him) were not allowed to marry any other person. Following narration makes it absolutely clear:

قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم : المرأة لآخر أزواجها


Allah’s Messenger (Allah's peace and Blessings be upon him) said: ‘[In the Paradise,] [size=14pt]a woman will be with her last husband.[/size]’ (Tabaqaat Abu Shaikh p.270. Albani classified it as Sahih in Silsala Sahiha H. 1281)



Finally, wives of the prophet [Allah's peace and Blessings be upon him] never showed any will to remarry after him.


Lobatan

I understand your respect for your prophet and your desperation in defending him, even if he goes wrong. For him calling his wives 'the mother of believer' does not make his wives the mother to anyone. It is for the new Muslim group to accord his wives respect as wives of their egomaniac leader, that's all. Mohammed is not the first leader whose wife remarry after his death.And besides, you asked a foolish and insultive question:'can you marry your mother?' Your mother is your mother and you can't compare your mother to Mohammed's wives. I don't know for Muslims, but my mother is more important to me, in terms of respect and reverence, than the wife of anyone on earth. Learn how to respect your mother, and other people's mother, irrespective of your belief system.

Mohammed was an insecure and a jealous man to have given such an instruction (quran 33:50). No any king or ruler gives that instruction prior his death. If you don't see it that way, that means you have a problem. If Mohammed married so many widow, why can't Mohammed's widows re-marry? The implication of Mohammed's instruction was that Aisha, safiyya, Zainab, etc died childless. No any God gave Mohammed that instruction, it is his wish that no one should sleep with any of his wives, even after he has gone.

seunH:
Before I respond, ill like to commend you for making you response civil and respectful despite our difference in ideology and ill like to say I've gained a lot so far, please my brother keep it up and I'm sure u'll go places.
Back to the Issue at hand, please permit me to itemize my response numerically.
1) Many Prophets were given special privileges aside Muhammad but I will like to focus on only one of them because of the availability of extensive literature about him, which can be confirmed by the 2 of us, and that person in no other than PROPHET SOLOMON (SULIEMAN). Allah forbade all of mankind and even other prophets from interacting with jinns, it was only Prophet Sulaiman that was granted that special privilege to interact and even command jinns (even the Muhammad wasn't given such privilege) *for more info check Surat Naml

2) I don't want to delve into christianity but if you insist, ill advice you to read the old testament very well and you will see that not everybody were given same equal privileges, God even selected people amongst the Israelites who could enter the tabanacle and even carry a special box (can remember the name of the box) and also those who can perform special rites
*for more info check lay emphasis on the first 4 books

3) My brother let's be realistic, a man who was offered wealth and rejected, position as the king of Arabia and yet rejected it would now want to massage his ego by marrying 14 wives, haaaaa !!! Also if you say lust, a man who doubles as a president, chief of defence, chief justice and chief imam would now have time to lust after 14 women when even our president I doubt if he has time for his wife despite Nigeria not facing external adversaries. Come on my bro, let cut him a slack

4) For Nigerian police passing one way, it can be justified if their passing of one way is in line with their primary responsibilities: Fighting crime ( e.g. Chasing a robber who tried using one way to escape)

5) Habaaaa my brother,this is "christian al taquiya" (lolz, Pls don't take me serious, just kidding) but seriously I cross checked that verse you quoted with my wife and I didn't see where it was written that the Prophet was entitled to any believing woman who offered herself to him, whether MARRIED OR SINGLE (Quran 33: 50).

6) So if women were presenting themselves to the Noble Prophet, how is it now his fault or how is that his problem or maybe its me that its not getting your point. The women had reasons why they presented themselves to him, which was noted earlier in my previous post.

*Please my brother make your response the final closing statement and ill make mine and God willing we will continue next week with this or any other topic. Remember tomorrow is Monday

BTW. I really enjoyed this conversion, sincerely I gained a lot. Thank you

Thanks for learning new things about Islam and your noble prophet. I will respond to you tomorrow.

Danke, Tschuss.

seunH:
Let me explain this clearly so that we can all gain from this conversation and it won't be a waste of time. I repeat, in Islam Allah placed some people (Prophets) above others in His sight among their generation. As such, based on the critical position they occupy and their responsibilities, they are granted certain privileges for reasons known best known to Allah. For example in the case of the Prophet marrying more the 4 wives about (14), this was done for a purpose in line with the calling and responsibilities of the Prophet. How? The prophet didn't marry them out of lust as usually presumed, in fact my brother majority of the prophet's wives were previously married and some even old. Many of these women were married to the prophet as a form bond between two hostile communities to avoid crises in future, some were married to the Prophet because they lost their husbands in battle and wanted to be under the jurisdiction of the prophet and for other reasons which were in line with his responsibilities. If the marriage was simply for lust as presumed I doubt if he would go for those kind of women. That's just an example of some privileges which were specifically in line with is calling as dictated by Allah.

Can you mention any single prophet (with example), aside the prophet of allahh, Mohammed, who God gives a special privilege over the rest of the citizens? Can you mention a single incidence?

If you want to be sincere, the God of the Bible treated human beings equally, irrespective of your religious and political status but the allahh of the Quran gave Mohammed certain privilege that no other Muslim is expected to enjoy.

Mohammed married more than 4 wives while he asked others to limit theirs to 4 and your justification is that it was because of his calling and responsibilities, but if you look at the Quran very well, it has nothing to do with any calling or responsibility but all about ego and the attitude of a master capon who usually act against the rule. Its like justifying the Nigerian police for always taking 'one way' while the same police will arrest anybody that takes one way. Maybe you never knew the mindset of absolute rulers and their beliefs in divine privileges until when challenged.

Mohammed, in the quran , made it clear that he is entitled to any believing woman who offered herself to him, whether married or single (Quran 33: 50). Note that the privilege of marrying any believing who offered herself is only entitled to Mohammed and not to any other Muslim. The hadith below also confirmed this barbaric practice:

Narrated Sahl bin Sad: While we were sitting in the company of the Prophet a woman came to him and presented herself (for marriage) to him. The Prophet looked at her, lowering his eyes and raising them, but did not give a reply. One of his companions said, "Marry her to me O Allah's Apostle!" The Prophet asked (him), "Have you got anything?" He said, "I have got nothing." The Prophet said, "Not even an iron ring?" He Sad, "Not even an iron ring, but I will tear my garment into two halves and give her one half and keep the other half." The Prophet; said, "No. Do you know some of the Quran (by heart)?" He said, "Yes." The Prophet said, "Go, I have agreed to marry her to you with what you know of the Qur'an (as her Mahr)." ' And for those who have no courses (i.e. they are still immature). (65.4) And the 'Iddat for the girl before puberty is three months (sahih bukhari 7:62:63).

In a sane society, no any woman will willingly present herself to a man for sex or marriage, but in Mohammed's time, women were presenting themselves to him free of charge, he accepted some and rejected others and this act was sanctioned by allahh (Quran 33:50). This is how Mohammed was able to acquire many women, aside from the sex slaves whom his right hand posses (Quran 8:1).

Mohammed's lust for women does not have anything to do with responsibility but all about sex. The case of zainab and his wife is a good example (Quran 33:37, history of al-tabari vol 8, pages 2-4).

seunH:
Point of correction my dear friend. In Islam all the Prophets are given a higher status than ordinary human beings in as much as we are reminded that they are also flesh and blood like us (not to encourage us to worship them). We are not equal to the Prophets in the sight of Allah, because these are people specially selected by Allah to spread his message and what they go through, we mere human beings can't go through it and also on the day of judgement, these same Prophets are going to be accountable for themselves and Us in addition so how can we say they are equal to we ordinary human beings. (That is why when we mention Moses, Abraham, Jesus or Muhammad we end it with (PBUH)).

Romans 2:11, 'For God does not show favoritism'.

Acts 10:34,
'Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons'

The Christian God is not a respecter of person, even if he choses you as a prophet, after all he created his prophets. The prophets of God are not of equal status with God. The office of prophet-hood is a rare privilege that can be withdrawn. So God cannot make a parallel rule for his prophet and another rule for ordinary people. It might be the case in Islam.

God cannot make a rule for Muslims to take a maximum of 4 wives but allow Mohammed to take more that 11 wives. God will not recommend young widow to re-marry, in order to bear fruit, but ask Muslims not to marry Mohammed's widows while Mohammed himself took many widows as wives.

God cannot break his rule to honour mortal men, unless you want to tell me that allahh is just an instrument in Mohammed's hand.

seunH:
This is beginning to get interesting for at least I know I am gaining something which is how its supposed to be (Thanks so much). Well my brother, Islam is abhorrent against lies in all ramifications except in rare cases of life and death (example; robbers asking where your father is? Or temporarily telling an hypertensive person just recovering that her dead son just travelled etc). My brother let's be realistic, if I lie to defend Islam, when won't you eventually detect the lie (especially in this age of google), which is counter productive because it will take you farther away from Islam. Moreover you can browse and check the Quran, there is no place Allah mention al Taquiya. So if anybody uses it, such a person is a liar!!!!

Bros you can't even lie again to defend Islam at this information age. Islam does not expect the IT age to decrypt all the Islamic teachings that were hitherto codified in arabic language. Before now no non-muslim has access to the Quran, let alone the hadith. As a matter of fact, non-muslims never knew, before now, that anything called hadith existed. But thank God for the information age, more and more people are learning Islam that is not diluted in the madrassas.

On lying, Islam permitted lying under three conditions:

1) When you want to settle quarrel among family and friends.

2) When you are making an agreement with the enemies of Islam or allahh.

3) And in time of war. Mohammed himself said: war is deceit. Mohammed understand the importance of deceit in winning a war and he employed it to the fullest against the Meccans.

seunH:
Believe you me this is my first hearing that the prophet forbade Ali from marrying more than one wife. If I ask for your source, you would probably google an hadith and post it here, but ill spare you the stress. The truth is that, its only the Quran that is infallible anything else is including hadiths, because these were collated long after the death of the prophet and we can't vie for it 100%. Rather what we muslims do is to correlate what ever the hadith says to what the Quran says, if what the hadith narrates is not in line with what the Quran says we discard the particular hadith and if its in line we leave it. Let me give you an example ( There is an hadith that says; when we blacks are hungry we steal and when we are filled up we fornicate and the only thing we are good at is hardwork. When such hadith was correlated to the Quran, it was found not to be in line and was promptly discarded as a fabricated hadith). So my brothers, provided that narration is not from the Quran and not in line with the Quran, It shouldn't be given attention except for mischief....!!!

This is the hadith in case you are in doubt:

Narrated 'Ali bin Al-Husain:
That when they reached Medina after returning from Yazid bin Mu'awaiya after the martyrdom of Husain bin ‘Ali (may Allah bestow His Mercy upon him), Al-Miswar bin Makhrama met him and said to him, "Do you have any need you may order me to satisfy?" ‘Ali said, "No." Al-Miswar said, Will you give me the sword of Allah’s Apostle for I am afraid that people may take it from you by force? By Allah, if you give it to me, they will never be able to take it till I die." When ‘Ali bin Abu Talib demanded the hand of the daughter of Abi Jahl to be his wife besides Fatima, I heard Allah’s Apostle on his pulpit delivering a sermon in this connection before the people, and I had then attained my age of puberty. Allah’s Apostle said, "Fatima is from me, and I am afraid she will be subjected to trials in her religion (because of jealousy)." The Prophet then mentioned one of his son-in-laws who was from the tribe of ‘Abu Shams, and he praised him as a good son-in-law, saying, "Whatever he said was the truth, and he promised me and fulfilled his promise. I do not make a legal thing illegal, nor do I make an illegal thing legal, but by Allah, the daughter of Allah's Apostle and the daughter of the enemy of Allah, (i.e. Abu Jahl) can never get together (as the wives of one man) (See Hadith No. 76, Vo. 5). (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 53,
Number 342 )

XVI: Concerning the sons-in-law of the Prophet, which include Abu'l-'As ibn ar-Rabi'
3523. It is related that al-Miswar ibn Makhrama said, "'Ali ibn Abi Talib proposed to the daughter of Abu Jahl and Fatima heard about it. She went to the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and said, ‘ Your people claim that you do not become angry on account of your daughters. This ‘Ali is going to marry the daughter of Abu Jahl.’ The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, got up and I heard him say after the tashahhud , "Following on from that, I married my daughter to Abu’l-‘As ibn ar-Rabi’ and he spoke to me and told the truth to me.
Fatima is part of me and I dislike that she be vexed . By Allah, the daughter of the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and the daughter of the enemy of Allah will not be joined together by the same man.’ So ‘Ali abandoned his proposal."
It is related that Miswar said, "I heard the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and he mentioned an in-law of his from the Banu ‘Abdu Shams and praised him as an in-law, and said, ‘He spoke to me and told the truth. He promised him and kept his promise.'" (Aisha Bewley, The Sahih Collection of al-Bukhari, Chapter 66. Book of the Virtues of the Companions; source )

This hadith and follow a chain of narration. The major reason why Mohammed forbade Ali from taking another woman was that he believed Fatima's feelings will be hurt and that will make him unhappy. Mohammed wants happiness for his daughter by eliminating any form of rivalry, with all forms of flimsy excuses, but recommended Muslims to take 4 wives. But the feelings of the first wife be hurt? Does Muslims first wives exist without father?

On this matter, Ali never never attempted to take another wife till he died. Mohammed and his family are always above the law.

You said you don't have complete confidence in the hadith, where do you get the 5 pillars of Islam from? Where did you get your 5-daily prayer routine from, the Quran or the hadith?

seunH:
I understand your point and I hope you would understand mine, the Noble prophet did not say that. And as quoted above, it was God who commanded it as a way of honouring the prophet. My dear friends, I don't see this as a big deal because even when ordinary kings die their wives are been forbidden for others. It is even in our culture and all over. Its just a means of honouring the Noble Prophet.

Bros your defense is very weak because all human, irrespective of social or political status, are equal in God's eye. Human beings can make laws to protect a certain class of people by granting then immunity, but God cannot do that, unless you want to tell me that allahh is a respecter of person. The bible says: God is not a respecter of person. Please don't put God in this, unless you want to tell us that the God of the bible acts differently from the god of the Quran.

If you read all the ayah, that is verse 53 of Quran chapter 33, you will understand that it is all for the benefit of Mohammed. And this is one of the major reasons baby Aisha, his 6-yr old child bride, told Mohammed and I quote: 'It seems allahh is always ready to satisfy your desires'. This statement was made by Aisha in one of the hadith.

You should please learn when a man wants to satisfy his desire and when God truly speaks to him. On this particular issue, no allahh or Jibril spoke to Mohammed. Mohammed also expressed his wish and desire here.

seunH:
Sorry please what is al taquiya?? Sincerely I don't know maybe I can learn from you.....!!!

Altaqiyya is lying to defend Islam. It is an arabic word used in religious sense. It is a common belief, among non-muslims, that it is islamically acceptable for Muslims to lie in order to defend Islam and this act is what the Arabs call altaqiyya.

Altaqiyya can also mean concealing ones faith in the presence of a perceived stronger adversary to avoid bodily harm or death. A Shi'a Muslim can pretend to be a Sunnis in Saudi Arabia and a sunni Muslim can pretend to be a shia in Iran, in order to avoid persecution.

This is also an art of Altaqiyya, an ahmadiya can pretend to be a sunni in order to escape lynching in Pakistan because ahmadiya is illegal in most Muslim countries. Hope you get it now.


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annunaki2:
SeunH your al taquiya skills are needed to defend your 'prophet' here.

They will avoid this thread like a plaque. Let's wait, maybe they went for Islamic NASFAT sunday school.

DickDastardly:
Allah be merciful unto mischief makers

Who are the mischief makers?

Badgers14:
Erhmmm.... You are right a little but figured we could get 2 for the price of one while they are at it, they might as well throw in the answer to mine.

OK my guy, I won't be stingy. Muslims can also explain why Mohammed forbade his son-law, Ali (husband of fatimah), from taking a second wife hence preaching monogamy to Ali while he asked other muslims to take a maximum of 4 wives. Though he even broke his own rule by taking more than 4 wives.