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Islam › Re: Muslims: Why Did Mohammed Forbid His Wives From Re-marrying After His Death? by true2god(op): 10:08am On Oct 30, 2016
true2god:
In Quran 33:53, Mohammed gave an instruction that no one should marry his wives after his death. Can Muslims do justice to this instruction by Mohammed?
Mohammed's first wife, khadijah, was a widow before Mohammed married her. Mohammed married another widow, um Hani, after the death of khadijah. After killing khinana, at the battle of khaibar, Mohammed married another widow called safiya.

Why did Mohammed ask Muslims not to marry his wives after his death?
Islam › Re: Muslims: Why Did Mohammed Forbid His Wives From Re-marrying After His Death? by true2god(op): 10:01am On Oct 30, 2016
Badgers14:
Erhmmm... I wouldn't say i know the answer since I am non- muslim but since this issue was brought up... Let me add another question to it grin grin so our dear muslim scholars will do justice to it.

Why did Muhammed against his daughters been married as a second wife even though polygamy is ok per the Quaranhuh

I just asked a question, don't throw darts at me.
Lets take it one by one. Bros, my own first. loll
Islam › Muslims: Why Did Mohammed Forbid His Wives From Re-marrying After His Death? by true2god(op): 9:50am On Oct 30, 2016
In Quran 33:53, Mohammed gave an instruction that no one should marry his wives after his death. Can Muslims do justice to this instruction by Mohammed?
Christianity Etc › Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by true2god: 7:07am On Oct 30, 2016
true2god:
Well, I know you might be highly embarrassed that Mohammed, whom you considered noble, married Aisha when she was 6 and started sleeping with her when she became 9. Any that's the truth because all the evidence are in your authentic hadith, that is sahih bukhari, sahih Muslim,sunnah Abu dawud and sunnah ibn majjah. All the hadith cannot be wrong while you are right. The Aisha's age passes what you Muslims call 'the science of the hadith' because we have so many chains of narrators that reported this incidence, including Aisha herself and the famous ibn Hisham.

Let Aisha speak for herself:

Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234 )

Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old. (Sahih Al-Bukhari , Volume 5, Book 58,
Number 236 )

Narrated 'Aisha:
Allah's Apostle said to me, "You were shown to me twice (in my dream) before I married you. I saw an angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said to him, 'Uncover (her),' and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.' Then you were shown to me, the angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said (to him), 'Uncover (her), and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.'" (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 87, Number 140 ; see also Number 139)

Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old , and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64 ; see also Numbers 65 and 88)

SAHIH MUSLIM
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine . She further said: We went to Medina and I had an attack of fever for a month, and my hair had come down to the earlobes. Umm Ruman (my mother) came to me and I was at that time on a swing along with my playmates. She called me loudly and I went to her and I did not know what she had wanted of me. She took hold of my hand and took me to the door, and I was saying: Ha, ha (as if I was gasping), until the agitation of my heart was over. She took me to a house, where had gathered the women of the Ansar. They all blessed me and wished me good luck and said: May you have share in good. She (my mother) entrusted me to them. They washed my head and embellished me and nothing frightened me. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) came there in the morning, and I was entrusted to him. (Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3309 ; see also 3310)

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old . (Sahih Muslim, Book 008,
Number 3311 )

SUNAN ABU DAWUD
Aisha said: The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) married me when I was seven years old. The narrator Sulaiman said: Or six years. He had intercourse with me when I was nine years old . (Sunan Abu Dawud, Number 2116)

Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came. According to Bishr's version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was nine . She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 41, Number 4915 )
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) used to kiss her and suck her tongue when he was fasting. ( Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 13,
Number 2380 )

All the al-hadeth are unanimous in agreement to the fact that Aisha was 6 when Mohammed engaged her and was 9 when Mohammed started sleeping with her. I know its difficult, for a sane and rational mind like you to imagine let alone practice, but that is what your prophet did. And you know what, even your Quran does not help in this matter (Quran 65:4). And the irony is that Islamic state like Saudi Arabia will never condemn these al-hadeth as false and had never. Accept this part of the sunnah of your prophet and move on, you cannot re-write this simple well documented and historical fact.
On this matter, let's look at what your famous Muslim tasfirist, Ibn Kathir, said on this matter:

IBN KATHIR:
Yunus b. Bukayr stated, from Hisham b. ‘Urwa, from his father who said, "The Messenger of God (SAAS) married ‘A’isha three years after (the death of) Khadija. At that time (of the contract) ‘A’isha had been a girl of six. When he married her she was nine. The Messenger of God (SAAS) died when ‘A’isha was a girl of eighteen. "
This tradition is considered gharib (unique in this line).
Al-Bukhari had related, from ‘Ubayd b. Isma‘il, from Abu Usama, from Hisham b. ‘Urwa, from his father, who said, "Khadija died three years before the emigration of the Prophet (SAAS). He allowed a couple of years or so to pass after that, and then he contracted marriage with ‘A’isha when she was six, thereafter consummating marriage with her when she was nine years old."
What ‘Urwah stated here is mursal , incomplete, as we mentioned above, but in its content it must be judged as
muttasil , uninterrupted.
His statement, "He contracted marriage with ‘A’isha when she was six, thereafter consummating marriage with her when she was nine" IS NOT DISPUTED BY ANYONE, and is well established in the
sahih collections of traditions and elsewhere.
He consummated marriage with her during the second year following the emigration to Medina.
His contracting marriage with her took place some three years after Khadija’s death, though there is disagreement over this.
The hafiz Ya‘qub b. Sufyan stated, "Al-Hajjaj related to us, that Hammad related to him, from Hisham b. ‘Urwa, from his father, from ‘A’isha, who said, ‘The Messenger of God (SAAS), contracted marriage with me (after) Khadija’s death and before his emigration from Mecca, when I was six years old. After we arrived in Medina some women came to me while I was playing on a swing; my hair was like that of a boy. They dressed me up and put make-up on me, then took me to the Messenger of God (SAAS), and he consummated our marriage. I was a girl of nine.’"
The statement here "muttawaffa Khadija ", "Khadija’s death" has to mean that it was shortly thereafter. Unless, that is, the word, ba‘da , "after", originally preceded this phrase and had been omitted from the account. The statement made by Yunus b. Bukayr and Abu Usama from Hisham b. ‘Urwa, from his father, is, therefore, not refuted. But God knows best. (Ibn Kathir, The Life of the Prophet Muhammad (Al-Sira al-Nabawiyya) , Volume II, translated by professor Trevor Le Gassick, reviewed by Dr. Muneer Fareed [Garnet Publishing Limited, 8 Southern Court, south Street Reading RG1 4QS, UK; The Center for Muslim Contribution to Civilization, first paper edition, 2000], pp. 93-94).

As I said earlier, you cannot be right while 99.9% of Islamic scholars wrong on this matter. It might look shameful to you, but that's what allahh asked Mohammed to do (according to Mohammed himself). And if you think this matter is not acceptable to you, what about Mohammed's marriage to zainab, his foster son's (zaid ibn Mohammed) wife. This can be found in Quran 33:37-50. You can also see this in the book 'history of al-tabari vol 8, pages 2-4).

In one of the quranic verses I provided, Mohammed asked his sahabas never to marry any of the wives when he die, and meanwhile Mohammed married so many widows and had many sex slaves whom husbands had died in battle. In fact Mohammed's first wife, khadijah, was a widow before Mohammed married her. This simple and bad instruction left Aisha unmarried and without a child after the death of Mohammed from the poison he ate at khaibar.
Christianity Etc › Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by true2god: 6:51am On Oct 30, 2016
seunH:
My good friend, concerning the issue of paedophilia in Islam ( Noble Prophet marrying an under aged girl"Aisha"wink let's reason together this way; Some people say Aisha was 14yrs when the prophet married her, some say she was 9yrs (commonest) and some say 11yrs. Irrespective of what we believe, one thing for sure is, we can never know for sure how Aishat was (psychologically and physically) when the Noble Prophet married her. Even the so called 14yrs is not even based on our own modern calculation of age (using solar years and 24hrs time) and also in Islam we don't use age to peg maturity rather we use physical (puberty) and psychological (ability to make rational decision) means. We are now in a quagmire since neither you nor me ever saw Aisha to evaluate her therefore we will have no choice but to go to what Islam says about marriage. In Islam there are 4 pillars for the marriage to be legal/acceptable and number 1 is consent from the girl in question. Now, based on our modern assessment, is it possible to accept consent from a 9-14 year old girl? The answer is NO !!! Not even a 15-16yr old girl (that's why they are not allowed to open an account till 18 except with their parent/guardian because psychologically they are incapable of some rational decisions). So therefore marriage to any girl of this age bracket (9-14) is not acceptable Islamically because it is impossible for you to obtain a valid consent from them. In conclusion, if Islam is totally against paedophilia and under aged marriage as explained above, then why would the Noble Prophet engage in such. I therefore believe if we reason together this way, we would educate ourselves better and have more understanding and tolerance for each other. Thanks for your time in reading this lengthy response....!!!
Well, I know you might be highly embarrassed that Mohammed, whom you considered noble, married Aisha when she was 6 and started sleeping with her when she became 9. Any that's the truth because all the evidence are in your authentic hadith, that is sahih bukhari, sahih Muslim,sunnah Abu dawud and sunnah ibn majjah. All the hadith cannot be wrong while you are right. The Aisha's age passes what you Muslims call 'the science of the hadith' because we have so many chains of narrators that reported this incidence, including Aisha herself and the famous ibn Hisham.

Let Aisha speak for herself:

Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234 )

Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old. (Sahih Al-Bukhari , Volume 5, Book 58,
Number 236 )

Narrated 'Aisha:
Allah's Apostle said to me, "You were shown to me twice (in my dream) before I married you. I saw an angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said to him, 'Uncover (her),' and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.' Then you were shown to me, the angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said (to him), 'Uncover (her), and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.'" (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 87, Number 140 ; see also Number 139)

Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old , and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64 ; see also Numbers 65 and 88)

SAHIH MUSLIM
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine . She further said: We went to Medina and I had an attack of fever for a month, and my hair had come down to the earlobes. Umm Ruman (my mother) came to me and I was at that time on a swing along with my playmates. She called me loudly and I went to her and I did not know what she had wanted of me. She took hold of my hand and took me to the door, and I was saying: Ha, ha (as if I was gasping), until the agitation of my heart was over. She took me to a house, where had gathered the women of the Ansar. They all blessed me and wished me good luck and said: May you have share in good. She (my mother) entrusted me to them. They washed my head and embellished me and nothing frightened me. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) came there in the morning, and I was entrusted to him. (Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3309 ; see also 3310)

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old . (Sahih Muslim, Book 008,
Number 3311 )

SUNAN ABU DAWUD
Aisha said: The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) married me when I was seven years old. The narrator Sulaiman said: Or six years. He had intercourse with me when I was nine years old . (Sunan Abu Dawud, Number 2116)

Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came. According to Bishr's version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was nine . She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 41, Number 4915 )
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) used to kiss her and suck her tongue when he was fasting. ( Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 13,
Number 2380 )

All the al-hadeth are unanimous in agreement to the fact that Aisha was 6 when Mohammed engaged her and was 9 when Mohammed started sleeping with her. I know its difficult, for a sane and rational mind like you to imagine let alone practice, but that is what your prophet did. And you know what, even your Quran does not help in this matter (Quran 65:4). And the irony is that Islamic state like Saudi Arabia will never condemn these al-hadeth as false and had never. Accept this part of the sunnah of your prophet and move on, you cannot re-write this simple well documented and historical fact.
Christianity Etc › Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by true2god: 9:36am On Oct 29, 2016
Sahih bukhari 4:52:220.

Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jews Going To Heaven Or Hell? by true2god: 8:03am On Oct 29, 2016
dalaman:
I've noticed that christians always deflect the question when you ask them if Jews are going to heaven. I've never seen a stunning answer like this one though. They day Jesus is the only way, but when you ask them about Jews that swear at Jesus most of thr time you get nothing but silly comments.
Where was Mohammed heading to after his death? Do you have any confirmation from the Quran?
Christianity Etc › Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by true2god: 6:59am On Oct 29, 2016
Contact17:
Dear Amberon, at what age did your great grand parents or even grand parents get married? Can you swear that they got married at the age of 18? Wasn't it normal and CULTURALLY acceptable for people to marry young then? Just as it was completely normal 1400 years ago for Arab women to marry young. You should also note that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) grew up in a hot country, the Arabian Peninsula. Usually in hot countries adolescence comes early and people marry early. This is how the people of Arabia were until recently. Moreover, women vary greatly in their development and their physical readiness for marriage.

Just recently (yes in 2016) Virginia in the US modified the law allowing children to marry at 12. How come no one was screaming pedophile all these years? How come is wasn't a crime when a 21 year old married a 12 year old?

Lastly, they are variety of other reasons as to why he married her specifically. If you are interested do let me know

I won't even bother with the other hadith you mentioned because I am certain no authentic hadith says such.
Cool down sister, stop justifying the pedophilic nature of your prophet with the evil sunnah of your prophet. Your prophet, being the best man in Islam, is expected to live a higher moral standard than his contemporary. If he can't live a high moral live, if did he call himself a prophet? Why are Muslims the ones to always make excuses for their prophet's sins and evil?

You said it is normal for Arabs of 1400 years ago to marry young, please can you tell me the age limit for girls to marry in Saudi Arabia in this 2016? Can you tell me the age limit in Iran, Pakistan or Sudan? The truth is, there is no age limit, a girl as young as 5 can still be married off in this countries. Are you telling us that Saudi Arabia is still existing in 570AD in 2016? Please don't brainwash us, you can do that in your mosques.

You said adolescent comes early in the Arab/desert world, where is the scientific paper that justified this statement? The truth is that there is none. This is a point made for Muslim's consumers only, it has no basis for rationality because adolescent and faster growth, among girl, has a lot to do with the amount of food and medications available. A girl from a richer home with good food and medication 24/7, has a tendency of entering physical maturity than a girl from a poor home. It is a known fact that the Arabs, who live in the desert and pure sand, have less access to food than their counterpart who live in the rain forest or close to the sea. How can the Arabs of Mohammed's period develop more physically than the Europeans of that time? It not possible.

You use Arizona, US, to justify Islamic practices of prebuscenth and by extension to justify Mohammed's marriage to baby Aisha, you get it wrong. The minimum age limit is 16 and not 12 as you wrongly claimed and besides there is no minimum age limit for girls to marry in Islam (Quran 65:5). What do you follow, the non-dynamic Quran/Sharia or the dynamic US constitution? Even if your assumption is right, that a state in the US approved a girl of 12 to marry, that does not still justify Mohammed's (who was 51 yrs) marriage to baby Aisha (who was 6 yrs then). Mohammed should not have acted like his fellow desert barbarians. And FYI, Aisha was initially betrothed to a younger boy, Mutim, before Mohammed claimed allahh showed Aisha to him in a dream hence made it lawful for him to marry. Mohammed played a similar stunt on zaid ibn Mohammed, when he said allahh showed him zainab (zaid's wife) in a trance hence made her lawful for him to marry (Qur'an 33:37, the history of al-tabari vol 8, page 2-4).

Lastly, you couldn't give reasons why Mohammed married baby Aisha because you know too well that they are irrational.

Danke,
Christianity Etc › Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by true2god: 8:30pm On Oct 28, 2016
Auki:
Allah (English pronunciation: /ˈælə/, /ˈɑːlə/ or /əlˈlɑː/;Arabic: الله‎ Allāh,

It is the Arabic word for God (al ilāh,al=the, ilah=God, literally "the God"wink

referring to the God in Abrahamic religions. The word has cognates in other Semitic. It is now mainly used by Muslims to refer to God in Islam, but has been also used by Arab Christians since pre-Islamic times. It is also often, albeit not exclusively, used by Bábists, Bahá'ís, Indonesian and Maltese Christians, and Mizrahi Jews.

Allah in Judaism:

As Hebrew and Arabic are closely related Semitic languages, it is commonly accepted that Allah (root, ilāh) and the Biblical Elohim
wikipedia.org
are cognate derivations of same origin, as is Eloah, a Hebrew word which is used (e.g. in the Book of Job) to mean '(the) God' and also 'god or gods' as is the case of Elohim. Elohim and Eloah ultimately derive from the root El, 'strong', possibly genericized from "El", the Northwest Semitic word meaning "god" or "deity", as in the Ugaritic ’lhm (consonants only), meaning "children of El" (the ancient Near Eastern creator god in pre-Abrahamic tradition).

In Jewish scripture Elohim is used as a descriptive title for the God of the scriptures.

Allah in Christianity:

So do we know what was the language of Jesus?? Not only Jesus but his total public ministry and his companions spoke Aramaic.

The Aramaic word for "God" in the language of Assyrian Christians is ʼĔlāhā, or Alaha. Arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews, use the word "Allah" to mean "God". The Christian Arabs of today have no other word for "God" than "Allah". (Even the Arabic-descended Maltese language of Malta, whose population is almost entirely Roman Catholic, uses Alla for "God".) Arab Christians, for example, use the terms Allāh al-ab (الله الأب) for God the Father, Allāh al-ibn (الله الابن) for God the Son, and Allāh al-rūḥ al-quds (الله الروح القدس) for God the Holy Spirit. (See God in Christianity for the Christian concept of God.) Arab Christians have used two forms of invocations that were affixed to the beginning of their written works. They adopted the Muslim bismillāh, and also created their own Trinitized bismillāh as early as the 8th century. The Muslim bismillāh reads: "In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful." The Trinitized bismillāh reads: "In the name of Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, One God." The Syriac, Latin and Greek invocations do not have the words "One God" at the end.
According to Marshall Hodgson, it seems that in the pre-Islamic times, some Arab Christians made pilgrimage to the Kaaba, a pagan temple at that time, honoring Allah there as God the Creator. Some archaeological excavation quests have led to the discovery of ancient pre-Islamic inscriptions and tombs made by Arabic-speaking Christians in the ruins of a church at Umm el-Jimal in Northern Jordan, which contained references to Allah as the proper name of God, and some of the graves contained names such as "Abd Allah" which means "the servant/slave of Allah". The name Allah can be found countless times in the reports and the lists of names of Christian martyrs in South Arabia, as reported by antique Syriac documents of the names of those martyrs from the era of the Himyarite and Aksumite kingdoms.

A Christian leader named Abd Allah ibn Abu Bakr ibn Muhammad was martyred in Najran in 523, as he had worn a ring that said "Allah is my lord". In an inscription of Christian martyrion dated back to 512, references to Allah can be found in both Arabic and Aramaic, which called him "Allah" and "Alaha", and the inscription starts with the statement "By the Help of Allah". In pre-Islamic Gospels, the name used for God was "Allah", as evidenced by some discovered Arabic versions of the New Testament written by Arab Christians during the pre-Islamic era in Northern and Southern Arabia. Pre-Islamic Arab Christians have been reported to have raised the battle cry "Ya La Ibad Allah" (O slaves of Allah) to invoke each other into battle. "Allah" was also mentioned in pre-Islamic Christian poems by some Ghassanid and Tanukhid poets in Syria and Northern Arabia.

Sources used: Wikipedia

So yes, Allah was known way way before Muhammad(pbuh) was born. Actually Allah Is Allah, the eternal and everlasting.
While I might agree with you that the generic name for God in Arabic is allaahh, that does not mean that the allahh arab-christians called is the same for the allahh arab-muslims call. They are 2 different allahh but have the same name for their separate adherants.

The Yorubas called their ancestral God 'eledumare' long before Christianity was introduced to them. However after the introduction of Christian beliefs among the Yoruba, most also chosed to call the Christian God eledumare. Allahh was a pre-islamic deity worshipped by Mohammed's ancestors. Mohammed's father was a pagan named abdullah ibn abdulmutalib. Abdullah means 'slave of allahh' which shows that Mohammed didn't preach a new allahh different from his father's pagan religion, he only upgraded it to be of equal status to the Jewish monotheism by abolishing the meccan multi-religious and multi-cutural settings and gave his father's pagan religion supremacy over all other religions in his domain. Hubal was another deity worshipped in the pre-islamic Arabia, but allahh got an eminence status among the Arabs because most Arabs are Muslims who have adopted allahh as their god.
Christianity Etc › Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by true2god: 3:24pm On Oct 28, 2016
plappville:
This is unreasonable! Justifying Muhammed marriage with Aisha when she was 6. She was a baby still playing with her dolls when the old man married her. Very historical indeed. cry
Don't mind the idiot. Anyone that justifies a man of 54 sleeping with a 9-yr old girl, just as Mohammed did to little Aisha, is a potential psychiatric patient.

Yes, in the olden days our mothers marry early, like @ the ages of 16, 17 or 18. There is no any documented or oral evidence that shows that our past women/mother got married at 9, none. Our ancestors have a great sense of responsibility and mortality towards women hence cannot marry them off when they are 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 or 11. They allow women to mature both emotionally and physically so as to be able to cope with the stress of family-hood.

The Arabs/Mohammed only came to destroy African culture with respect to the sanctity of marriage between two consenting adults. A man of 51 and a little Aisha of 6 can never be a relationship of 2 consenting adults. Any African man defending Mohammed's marriage to Aisha is a fooll.
Christianity Etc › Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by true2god: 11:35am On Oct 28, 2016
lexiconkabir:
go and preach to the different atheist that came to nairaland as strong Christians but are no more christians......they need your help not us, even the OP is one of them, you guys arent even ashamed at all.
No one will slit my throat if I abandon Christianity, unlike Islam. This is what makes Islam a very evil and dangerous belief system. How can freedom of religion and conscience be termed apostasy if Islam is not a demonic religion?

You need not follow Arab religious ideology which had made nature curse their land and make a desert. Any place Islam take root eventually becomes desert and cursed.
Christianity Etc › Re: 7 Times The Bible And Qu’ran Said Exactly The Same Thing by true2god: 6:54am On Oct 27, 2016
The subject should have been: 7 areas the Quran quoted the bible. The Quran quoted the Bible here to prove it own point because both books are different in their ideology and style of composition.

Just a reminder, the old testament Hebrew scripture had been in place for over 2000 years before Islam/Mohammed's Quran while the new testament Christian scripture had been in place for almost 600 years before Islam/Mohammed. So Quran must have copied from existing scriptures which Mohammed was familiar with.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Most Important Question For The Christians by true2god: 6:27am On Oct 26, 2016
Abdulgaffar22:
THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION; why is it that what Christians believe
always seem to contradict what is written inside the Bible? For
example 1. Christians believe that Jesus is God in a trinitarian
sense: yet when Jesus was praying to the Father he said " And this is
eternal life,that they may know You,THE ONLY TRUE GOD,and Jesus Christ
whom you have sent(John 17:3) Therefore,if the Father is the only true
God according to Jesus Christ, then how could Jesus be God or part of
Triune God? In fact, the word "ONLY" used by Jesus in this very verse
has put an end to any further argument on this issue of Jesus divinity
2. The official title given to Jesus by most Christians is son of
God: yet the official title Jesus gave himself in many verses of the
Bible is son of Man. 3. Christians believe that Jesus WILLINGLY laid
down his life for atonement sacrifice: yet Matthew 26:36-44 declare
that Jesus asked for the removal of cup of death in THREE consecutive
times. 4. Christians believe that Jesus was sent to entire world: yet
Jesus said " I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of
Israel (Matthew 15:24) 5. Christians believe that Jesus died for our
sins: yet Deuteronomy 24:16, Ezekiel 18:20-22, Jeremiah 31:30 and
Exodus 32:30-33 established that the person that commit sin is the
one who will die. 6. Christians believe that Jesus appeared to Paul on
the road to Damascus after Jesus has ascended to heaven (Acts
22:6-cool:yet Jesus said if anyone says here is Christ or there,DO NOT
BELIEVE IT (Matthew 24:23) 7. Christians believe that God of love and
mercy can condemn His beloved and innocent prophet on the cross for
the sins he has never committed: yet condemnation of righteous and
innocent person is strictly forbidden in the Bible ( Matthew
12:7,proverb 17:15,exodus 23:7,psalm34:22). 8. Christians believe in
Trinity: yet Jesus said " hear o Israel, the Lord our God is one
(Mark12:29) he did not say three in one or one in three.
You always create a thread only to run away. Why are you wasting nairaland bandwidth when you know you lack basic debate skills?

Seems you are a kid who is new on nairaland.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why You Must Reject Christianity And Accept Islam by true2god: 10:34am On Oct 25, 2016
jonbellion:
. I don't know where I told you I'm a muslim I told you I'm agnostic but I see you don't understand the meaning of the word. If a muslim comes to tell me about his religion I will point out all the errors and scientific inaccuracies. I will also do the same for the christian religion. You are a pot and you are calling a kettle black. Do I need to remind you of the inquisition. That was instigated by the christian faith
I'm agnostic so I will not be bias. Both religions have flaws. I didn't say the Quran isn't violent. I am simply saying that you should stop accusing other peoples religions of violence when your religion has the exact same thing in it's holy book and history. Have you read the hadith?, read it before you have the right to judge. This is exactly what you guys do for evolution Hadiths are commonly quote-mined by various sorts of bigots, both inside (Islamic extremists and authoritarians) and outside (Islamophobes) Islam. Islamic extremists and authoritarians tend to use quote-mined hadiths to justify their violent and hateful actions while Islamophobes quote-mine hadiths and use them as examples of how "evil" Islam is. Bonus points if they conflate the hadith with the Qur'an, even if there's a contradiction between the Qur'an and the hadith.
if you don't know what a quote mine is it is when somebody's words are altered from what it actually said
A good example is when bill gates said " it makes sense to believe in God but exactly what desicion you make differently in your life because of it I don't know"
Creationists quote mined it to say bill gates said "it makes sense to believe in God" I am not a muslim but my advise for you is to read the Quran and the hadith so Muslims would take you seriously
You can call yourself whatever you like and believe whatever you like, but don't me more Islamic than the Muslims because that's what your writing portrayed.

I quoted both the violent Quranic verses and the hadith but you chosed to ignore the koranic passages which mandates warfare against the kafirs. More than 40% of the koran is obsessed with allahh's hatred of the kafirs, which composes 90% of humanity. Why is this so? And on the ha-death, it is part and parcel of Islamic source material. You are defending what you are completely ignorant of.

On the history of the Inquisition, can you please tell us what brought about the Inquisition? The Arab/Turkish invasion of Portugal and Spain, via conquest and how the Arabs/Turkish were later forcefully expelled after more than 300 years of illegal and immoral occupation of non-muslim part of the hemisphere?
Christianity Etc › Re: Why You Must Reject Christianity And Accept Islam by true2god: 9:05am On Oct 25, 2016
jonbellion:
you have not read the Quran don't just look at the internet. I'm not siding with muslims I believe both of you are wrong. One of the verses you quoted was from the hadith. Most muslims don't believe the hadith because they feel it was written by falliable humans but they feel that the Quran was inspired by God. I know the Quran also has violence but I said most of is attributed to self defence. You read the bad parts and now you feel you are a scholar of Islam huh? okay that's great
Didn't the Abrahamic God tell homosexuals and adulterers to be put to death. Didn't the psalmist write blessed is the man who dashes his child against the rocks. Some words in thy bible were translated to "unicorn" a fictional animal but was changed in recent versions. Didn't Moses instruct the Israelite men to hide in the bushes to catch the virgins coming from Shiloh simply because they complained to him that they didn't have enough virgins from the Israelite tribe that they massacred and killed because they didn't show up for roll call? They only left thier virgins for themselves. I know you'll say that that was the old testament but you forget that jesus said that till heaven and earth pass away not one drop of the law would be omitted. Jesus himself was a student of the torah(old testament) and he worshipped in the synagogue not a church meaning he was a Jew. I don't believe in any of them However I will not be bias
Stop doing pot calling kettle black
Your points have no connection with reality. See what your evil Koran said:

Koran 9:29: 'Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled'. Is this a defensive or offensive war?

Quran 8:39: 'And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah . And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.' Is this a defensive or offensive war?

You deceive yourself, as a normal lying Muslim, to say that Muslims do not believe in the ha-death. FYI, 90% of sharia laws come from the ha-death. The 5 pillars of Islam is not in the koran but in the hadith. Going to hajj is not in the quran but in the hadith. Worshipping at the kabba or running around the kabba is not in the quran but in the ha-death. And thousands of arab\islamic practices are found in the ha-death and not the koran. As a matter of fact, the koran is only a miniature of Islam compared to the sunnah as contained in the ha-death.

It seems you are totally ignorant of Islam and its threat against non-muslims. All civilization conquered by Islam are never regained except Portugal and Spain which forcefully expelled the Muslims during the period of the Inquisition. Read history bro, you are either deceptive or have zero idea about the so-called 'religion of war peace'.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why You Must Reject Christianity And Accept Islam by true2god: 6:43am On Oct 25, 2016
jonbellion:
Lol I'm agnostic but I've read the Quran. The truth about Islam is that it had been hijacked by extremists. Most of the verses on violence are actually attributed to self defense. In absolute numbers, the Bible is more violent than the Qur'an in percentages the Qur'an is more so (it's a shorter sacred text). On the other hand, the God of the Bible endorses and commands genocide while the Qur'an's violence is predominantly defensive. So honestly what you guys are doing is basically pot calling kettle black. The Torah, Bible, and the Qur'an are largely the same in tone, style and message. At best, it boils down to something akin to a sports rivalry - "My god is the best!" "No, mine!" Except in this case, the God is the exact same guy wink
Sorry bro, no terrorist hijacked Islam. Islam is all about terror. Mohammed, in his own word said, 'I HAVE BEEN MADE VICTORIOUS THROUGH TERROR' (sahih Bukhari 4:52:225). And in Quran 9:29, Mohammed asked Muslims to fight anyone who does not believe in allahh or the last and those who do not forbid those thing Mohammed forbid.... Is this a defensive war or an offensive war?

Mohammed also asked Muslim to always prepare for war against non-muslims (Quran 8:60) and use terror against the enemies of allaahh). Stop lying, the internet is exposing Islamic lies and propaganda.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Message For The Atheists And The Non Muslims Part1 by true2god: 6:26am On Oct 25, 2016
APCsupporter:
That God you agree that your religion is fake. The fact that Prophet Muhammad was poisoned doesn't provide any proof that he disobeyed Allah. The poison wasn't mysterious and the illness didn't come out of nowhere. If Muhammed had lied, please tell me where he did so.
I know you do not lack comprehension skill but you are just forming lack of ability to comprehend a non-complex statement. View the quranic verse below and the supporting ha-death:

Qur’an 69:44-46—And if he (Muhammad) had forged a false saying concerning Us We surely should have seized him by his right hand (or with power and might), and then certainly should have cut off his life artery (Aorta). (Hilali-Khan).

Sahih al-Bukhari 4428—The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, “O Aishah! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison.”

Don't get it twisted, I never said he disobeyed all. Mohammed can never disobey allahh because Mohammed can never go wrong as far as allahh is concerned. Allahh promised to cut the aorta of mohammed (quran 69:44-46) if he was a false prophet and Mohammed in pain, after taking a food poison, confessed that he felt his aorta is being cut off (sahih bhukhari 4428). What other proof do you need to learn that Mohammed was a fake prophet? Am I the one that wrote the quran or narrated the ha-death?
Christianity Etc › Re: A Message For The Atheists And The Non Muslims Part1 by true2god: 5:25am On Oct 24, 2016
APCsupporter:
Shut up you are derailing an interesting thread. Tell me why me why jesus died because he was crucified.you mean he could survive from a few blades? Why did your god allow his only begotten son to be killed? Why did your god allow Adam to be decieved?

And please the god of your corrupted book has never healed you or anyone from any form of illness. You never ate poison bros. There are christians who have died due to food poisoning. What do we say about such people? In fact tell me why christians go to hospitals sef
OK, I have heard you. Back to the topic, allahh said he would severe Mohammed's aorta if he was a fake prophet and Mohammed's aorta was severed through a poison administered to him by a Jewish woman in khaibar. Do you still take Mohammed as a prophet after this disgrace by allahh?
Christianity Etc › Re: A Message For The Atheists And The Non Muslims Part1 by true2god: 10:11pm On Oct 23, 2016
APCsupporter:
Lol. No wonder he is still yet to reply me. Self deceit is a disease ah sweargrin
Deal with the topic and stop taking it personal with me. The thread is about your prophet who died of food poison which validated the quran on the falsehood of the alleged prophethood of Mohammed.

If Mohammed cannot survive a food poison, as an alleged prophet of allahh, that means that no Muslim can survive it.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Message For The Atheists And The Non Muslims Part1 by true2god: 10:05pm On Oct 23, 2016
APCsupporter:
Oh I now understand where you are heading to. So tell me, why did your god allow adam and eve to eat the forbidden fruit when he knew that thry were not perfect?

Find a location where we will meet and come along with your pastor. I will give you my own poison to eat and then we shall see what will happen
Don't be a fooll, victims of food poisoning do not take it to prove a point but happen accidentally. I know Islam do not permit logic and common sense.

If your Mohammed knew that the roasted goat he ate was poisoned he wouldn't have taken it. As a matter of fact he spit out some of the poisoned goat meat he took after he discovered it was poisoned. God, though promised to always save his people yet he asked them to be watchful and prayerful. It is insanity to deliberately took a poison and expect God to perform magic. God is not a magician.

You can't close your eyes while driving and expect God to protect you while driving. Wisdom is key bro. Stop thinking like a typical irrational Mohammedan.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Message For The Atheists And The Non Muslims Part1 by true2god: 2:09pm On Oct 23, 2016
APCsupporter:
@bolded do you think you are talking to children here? You ate a poisoned food and survived? It is either you are lying or you never ate any poison.

The funny thing is that you are a christian and the funniest and most rediculous things are found in christianity. Why did you even derail the thread

@post jazakallahu Khairan
Sorry bro, I am not Mohammed who died of food poison he ate at khaibar. You are free not to believe my testimony because, according to your belief, if allahh could not save Mohammed, how can he save me? The God that delivered me is not allahh, so take your anger and doubt elsewhere.

My question to you: why did allahh allow his greatest prophet to die a shameful death, that is ordinary food poison?
Christianity Etc › Re: A Message For The Atheists And The Non Muslims Part1 by true2god: 11:53am On Oct 23, 2016
Christianity Etc › Re: A Message For The Atheists And The Non Muslims Part1 by true2god: 8:48am On Oct 23, 2016
@ abdulgaffar22, I'm sorry to say this, your style of writing is very poor and also childish. No paragraph, no bulleting of points, no orderly arrangement of taught, etc. You should learn how to arrange your essay or article well.

That aside, I brought out the hadith that exposed your Mohammad as a fake and a fraud, where he felt life artery was being cut off after eating a poison at the battle of khaibar. The Quran was very clear about the punishment Mohammad will get and the hadith accurately recorded the pain Mohammad felt after eating the poison. For the sake of having a better understanding of the events let us re-examine the quran and the hadith with respect to what led to the death of Mohammad.

Quranic Verdict (various translations):

Qur’an 69:44-46—And if he (Muhammad) had forged a false saying concerning Us We surely should have seized him by his right hand (or with power and might), and then certainly should have cut off his life artery (Aorta). (Hilali-Khan)

Qur’an 69:44-46—And if he had invented false sayings concerning Us, We assuredly had taken him by the right hand and then severed his life-artery. (Pickthall)

Qur’an 69:44-46—Had he invented lies concerning Us, We would have seized him by the right hand and severed his heart’s vein. (Dawood)

Qur’an 69:44-46—And if he had fabricated against Us some of the sayings, We would certainly have seized him by the right hand, then We would certainly have cut off his aorta. (Shakir)

MUSLIM COMMENTARIES:

Tafsir Ibn Abbas on Qur’an 69:44-46—(And if he had invented) and had Muhammad invented (false sayings concerning Us) lies against Us and attributed to Us that which We did not say, (We assuredly had taken him) We assuredly had taken revenge against him (by the right hand) by means of truth and proofs; it is also said this means: We assuredly had vehemently taken him. (And then severed his life artery) the life artery of Muhammad (pbuh).

Tafsir Jalalayn on Qur’an 69:44-46—And had he, namely, the Prophet (s), fabricated any lies against Us, by communicating from Us that which We have not said, We would have assuredly seized him, We would have exacted vengeance [against him], as punishment, by the Right Hand, by [Our] strength and power; then We would have assuredly severed his life-artery, the aorta of the heart, a vein that connects with it, and which if severed results in that person’s death.

Tafsir Ibn Kathir on Qur’an 69:46—(And then We certainly would have cut off Al-Watin from him,) Ibn ‘Abbas said, “It (Al-Watin) refers to the artery of the heart, and it is the vein that is attached to the heart.” This has also been said by ‘Ikrimah, Sa’id bin Jubayr, Al-Hakim, Qatadah, Ad-Dahhak, Muslim Al-Batin and Abu Sakhr Humayd bin Ziyad.

HADITH REFERENCES:

Sahih al-Bukhari 2588—Aisha said, “When the Prophet became sick and his condition became serious, he requested his wives to allow him to be treated in my house, and they allowed him. He came out leaning on two men while his feet were dragging on the ground.”

Sahih al-Bukhari 2617—A Jewess brought a poisoned (cooked) sheep for the Prophet who ate from it. She was brought to the Prophet and was asked, “Shall we kill her?” He said, “No.” Anas added: “I continued to see the effect of the poison on the palate of the mouth of Allah’s Messenger.”

Sahih al-Bukhari 2797—The Prophet said, . . . “By Him in Whose Hands my soul is! I would love to be martyred in Allah’s Cause and then come back to life and then get martyred, and then come back to life again and then get martyred and then come back to life again and then get martyred.”

Sahih al-Bukhari 4428—The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, “O Aishah! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison.”

Sahih Muslim 5430—A Jewess came to Allah’s Messenger with poisoned mutton and he took of what had been brought to him. (When the effects of this poison were felt by him) he called for her and asked her about that, whereupon she said: I had determined to kill you. Thereupon he said: Allah will never give you the power to do it.

From the reference above, it was clear that Mohammed, with his own mouth and in great pain, confessed that he felt his aorta is being cut off from the poison he eat. While I do not accept Mohammed as a prophet, he placed a powerful curse upon himself which came to fulfillment. Your attempt at spinning and making excuses for Mohammed on this matter made no sense. No any true prophet of God will die of ordinary food poison. I ate food poison during my service year, I called on pastors to pray for me and today I'm still alive. I'm not even a prophet or a man of God, just an ordinary person.

So its a shame that your greatest man even ever could not survive an ordinary food poison, even after applying various treatment, medications and prayers.

In Sunah al-tirmidih vol 4, page 401, hadith number 2068, Mohammed used to eat 'Ajwah date' as a remedy for the poison but it failed to heal Mohammed. You can also see sahih bhukari 2:15:73.

When the 'ajwah date' did not solve Mohammed's poison problem, he tried another method and that is cupping the alleged poisonous blood from his body. You can also see this in ibn sa'd volume 2 pages 202.

When cupping did not work, Mohammed decided to blow his breath upon his own body. You can also see this in ibn sa'd volume 2 page 211.

When blowing did not work, Mohammed asked his youngest wife whom he married at age 6 and starting sleeping with at age 9, that is Aisha, to start robbing him with his own hands (Mohammed's hand). You can also see this in ibn sa'd vol 2 page 211.

Even 'angel jubril' prayed for Mohammed without solution to this poison problem. Sunnan ibn sa'd vol 2 page 213.

So you can see even your prophet sought remedy for the food poison he ate without success. I know you will say 'allahh knows best' but the truth is that allahh knows nothing about this. Mohammed only paid the ultimate price for his invasion of khaibar and the killing, looting and rapings his sahabas carried out after the invasion.
Christianity Etc › Re: Does Concept Of Abrogation Invalidate Quran As The Word Of God? by true2god: 7:42am On Oct 15, 2016
BetaThings:
How can a MERCIFUL "God" have His own child (Jesus) murdered
for the sin of another person (Adam)

Was "God" not able to forgive?
So your allahh and Hillary Clinton, who called millions of Americans 'the deplorables and the irredeemables' because the don't want to vote for her, are now operating on the same level. As I have said earlier, allahh is just Mohammed's working tool to manipulate the ignorant Arabs into submission to his selfish desires. Even Aisha, his 6-yr old 'wife' attested to Mohammed's criminal behaviors in the name of allahh.

You are smarter than believing the lies of the pedofile Mohammed.
Politics › Re: Iran Condemns Attacks On Nigerian Shia Muslims by true2god: 5:30am On Oct 14, 2016
CSTR2:
You world-views are very delusional.
Besides, why should a whole Sect of islam be banned and not the other?
The Sunni muslims have constituted the greatest damage and danger to Nigeria over the years than even the shittes. Why not ban Islam totally?
Afonjas sef and the way they think like paid lackeys. Sometimes I wonder if fela was truly from there.
Fela's mother is a ghanaian so he is not a full afonja. Fela's thinks more like a ghanaian, more honest and hardworking people, than an afonja.
Christianity Etc › Re: Group Accuses Islamic Movement Of Nigeria Of Affiliation To ISIS, Hezbollah by true2god: 8:57am On Oct 13, 2016
annunaki2:
Absolute rubbish, whilst all Muslim sects have an affinity towards terrorism(it's the sunnah of the founder of islam) Islamic Movvement of Nigeria (IMN) are shites whilst boko haram and isis are sunni Muslims and we all know both sects don't see eye to eye. Fact is that there is an evil conspiracy by the sunni Muslims in Nigeria to eliminate the shites and they are even using govt machinery to carry out this evil agenda. The Nigerian army massacre of over 600 armless shites members is still fresh in our minds, the continued illegal detention of the shite leader and kaduna state's attempt to ban shites is a pointer to this.

Whilst I really don't care if the kingdom of Satan is divided against itself, we must not allow this tyranny by the sunnis to go un challenged cause if they can successfully eliminate the shites, what's to stop them from attempting to eliminate other non Muslim sects in areas were the sunni are in majority?
Both the Sunnis and the shites are tyrants in nature, the difference is the population. The Sunnis enjoy demographic advantage hence it is easy for them to oppress the shite, if the reverse is the case, the shite will also oppress the Sunnis. Islam is all about oppressing an opposite ideology and intolerant of kafirs (Quran 9:29).

However it is a great news to we kafirs that there is aggressive battle between the Islamic Sunnis and shia, at least the kafir can exploit this loophole. Islamic disunity is a blessing to mankind.
Islam › Re: Muslim Father In Norway Rapes His Daughter For Refusing To Dress Islamically by true2god: 5:44pm On Oct 12, 2016
Rilwayne001:
How this one take concern Islam now?
In one hadith Mohammed was in the same bed in between Fatima and Ali:

narrated 'Ali: Fatima complained of the suffering caused to her by the hand mill. Some Captives were brought to the Prophet, she came to him but did not find him at home 'Aisha was present there to whom she told (of her desire for a servant). When the Prophet came, Aisha informed him about Fatima's visit. Ali added "So the Prophet came to us, while we had gone to our bed I wanted to get up but the Prophet said, "Remain at your place". Then he sat down between us till I found the coolness of his feet on my chest. Then he said, "Shall I teach you a thing which is better than what you have asked me? When you go to bed, say, 'Allahu-Akbar' thirty-four times, and 'Subhan Allah thirty-three times, and 'Alhamdu-lillah thirty-three times for that is better for you both than a servant." (Sahih Al-Bukhari 4:53:344, 5:57:55, 7:64:274, 8:75:330)

Mohammed slept in her daughter's matrimonial bed, together with the new couple, Fatima and Ali. And fya, Mohammed's grand children look more like Mohammed than Ali:
Christianity Etc › Re: Does Concept Of Abrogation Invalidate Quran As The Word Of God? by true2god: 4:54am On Oct 12, 2016
annunaki2:
He as beaten a shameful retreat. grin
Do you have abdulgaffar22's contact? I need him ask him some Islamic questions but he seems to have ran away in shame with the way his pedofile prophet died. The acid test he wanted to use to validate the prophethood of his dear prophet seems to have backfired.
Christianity Etc › Re: Does Concept Of Abrogation Invalidate Quran As The Word Of God? by true2god: 2:31pm On Oct 11, 2016
Where is Abdulgaffar22?
Christianity Etc › Re: Does Concept Of Abrogation Invalidate Quran As The Word Of God? by true2god:
Abdulgaffar22:
The most amazing fact is that the same acid
test was put forward by God in the Qur'an to establish the true prophethood
of Muhammad (pbuh). In the Quran, God says: " This is a revelation sent
down from the Lord of the worlds. And if he( Muhammad pbuh) had forged a
false saying in OUR NAME, WE SURELY should have seized him by his right
hand. And then CERTAINLY should have CUT OFF his life artery (Surah
69:43-44). But despite all these challenging verses and many battles he
fought with the idol worshippers in Mecca which would have been a very
great opportunity for God to CUT OFF his life artery using the sword in the
hand of his enemy, yet prophet Muhammad's life was still spared by God for
good 23!
Narrated Ibn Abbas: 'Umar bin Al-Khattab used to let Ibn Abbas sit beside him, so 'AbdurRahman bin 'Auf said to 'Umar, "We have sons similar to him." 'Umar replied, "(I respect him) because of his status that you know." 'Umar then asked Ibn 'Abbas about the meaning of this Holy Verse:-- "When comes the help of Allah and the conquest of Mecca . . ." (110.1)
Ibn 'Abbas replied, "That indicated the death of Allah's Apostle which Allah informed him of." 'Umar said, "I do not understand of it except what you understand."
Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison ."
Sahih Bukhari 5:59:713.


Narrated 'Aisha: "When the Prophet became seriously ill and his disease became aggravated he asked for permission from his wives to be nursed in my house and he was allowed. He came out with the help of two men and his legs were dragging on the ground. He was between Al-Abbas and another man." 'Ubaid Ullah said, "I told Ibn 'Abbas what 'Aisha had narrated and he said, 'Do you know who was the (second) man whose name 'Aisha did not mention'" I said, 'No.' Ibn 'Abbas said, 'He was 'Ali Ibn Abi Talib.' "
Sahih Bukhari 1:11:634

Narrated Anas bin Malik: A Jewess brought a poisoned (cooked) sheep for the Prophet who ate from it. She was brought to the Prophet and he was asked, "Shall we kill her?" He said, "No." I continued to see the effect of the poison on the palate of the mouth of Allah's Apostle .
Sahih Bukhari 3:47:786.

Narrated 'Aisha and Ibn 'Abbas: On his death-bed Allah's Apostle put a sheet over his-face and when he felt hot, he would remove it from his face. When in that state (of putting and removing the sheet) he said, "May Allah's Curse be on the Jews and the Christians for they build places of worship at the graves of their prophets." (By that) he intended to warn (the Muslim) from what they (i.e. Jews and Christians) had done.
Sahih Bukhari 4:56:660.

From your own source documents, it was 100% proven that your prophet was a real fake. The Quran spelt out the punishment for Mohammed and your hadith confirmed it. Mohammed aorta or artery was finally cut off or severed in fulfilment of what he said in the Quran. This alone made him fake because there is no prophet, in the Bible, that died of food poisoning. Elijah ate poison but it did not have any effect on him. Apostle paul was bitten by snake and it had no effect on him, why did Mohammed die of food poisoning and his aorta destroyed?
Christianity Etc › Re: Does Concept Of Abrogation Invalidate Quran As The Word Of God? by true2god: 7:22am On Oct 11, 2016
annunaki2:
The quoran was never the word of God in the first instance but the hallucinations of a seventh century barbarian.
How can allahh call the Christians and the Jews 'the worst of creatures' (evil Koran 98:6) and call muzlimes the 'best of mankind' (evil koran 3:110-111) and remain the word of a sane god? allahh is surely insane for calling me a bad name because of the fact that I reject him and his pedofile profiteer Mohammed.

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