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Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is The Boss: Allah Or Mohammed? by true2god(op): 8:30pm On Sep 17, 2016
Blackfire:
true2god they will finish u today.
I am waiting for them to prove that allahh, and not Mohammed, is the boss. They should do that using the Qur'an and the hadith.
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is The Boss: Allah Or Mohammed? by true2god(op): 8:23pm On Sep 17, 2016
truthmans2012:
Me I think say na Muhammad bi di boss o!!!

On many occasions, Mohammed disobeyed Allah and nothing came out of them. He was violating Allah's order with impunity.

Another surprising thing is allah's interest in Muhammad's sexual life. Yahweh never showed concern how prophets should sleep with their wives. Why is allah so interested in sex? Even his fictitious aljannah is full of virgins for his jihadists, while Jesus said there is no male or female in heaven, but we will be like angels.


This Allah is fake o!!!
In Qur'an 33:50 allahh told his prophet:

'O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.

Can you see the special privilege which allahh bestowed on his apostle? Mohammed can marry any woman that gave himself to her, no matter the woman, married or not. Any wish of the prophet is ready to be done by allahh. Any woman Mohammed wants he can pick, allahh have already approved in advance.

This make Aisha angry hence the following hadith:

Narrated Aisha:
I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah’s Apostle and I used to say, "Can a lady give herself (to a man)?" But when Allah revealed: "You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive any of them whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily)." (33.51) I said (to the Prophet), "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60,Number 311)



Narrated Muadha:
’Aisha said, "Allah's Apostle used to take the permission of that wife with whom he was supposed to stay overnight if he wanted to go to one other than her, after this Verse was revealed:--
‘You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives) and you may receive any (of them) whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily).’" (33.51) I asked Aisha, "What did you use to say (in this case)?" She said, "I used to say to him, ‘If I could deny you the permission (to go to your other wives) I would not allow your favor to be bestowed on any other person .’" (Sahih al-Bukhari , Volume 6, Book 60, Number 312 )

Aisha herself could see that Mohammed used Allah as a tool to advance to needs. Why is Mohammed the one controlling allahh and why can't allahh caution Mohammed?
Number 311 )
The Quran agrees with Aisha
Islam › Re: How Was Muslims Prayers Reduced From 50 To 5? by true2god: 10:43am On Sep 17, 2016
Perhaps:
Some Christians pray to Mary.
Some wear white garment.
Some do not clone their eyes while praying.
Some don't belive in marriage.
Some don't believe in Christmas.

Does that mean your god might still change his mind on all what's going to happen to them?
The OP quoted an hadith where Mohammed allegedly got an instruction from Moses to reduce the frequency of prayer to 5 from the initial 50. Quote a Christian source where Jesus talked about prayer then I will lecture you.
Islam › Re: How Was Muslims Prayers Reduced From 50 To 5? by true2god: 10:39am On Sep 17, 2016
Islamic prayer was actually a formal gathering by Mohammed and his sahabas to make it easier for them to converge for war. That is why muslims can put their AK47 riffle by their side and pray then resume war immediately after prayers.

Mohammed is one of the most brilliant war strategist in history, he conceived the idea of barracks during his time. The mosque is like a barracks, said the Turkish president Erdogan, while Muslims are the soldiers of Allah. The periodics gatherings at the prophet's mosque in Medina helped the Muslims prepare and plan their war against the kafirs.

In most Muslim countries, war plans are made in the mosque. Most riots and protest in the Muslim world take place immediately after Friday prayers at the mosques hence showing the significance of Islamic prayers on the larger society. In Saudi Arabia, all Islamic clerics are on govt pay roll, this is to ensure that the imams and sheiks do not incite people from the mosque.

So the Islamic multiple prayers at the time of Mohammed is to ensure that all soldiers are together in preparation for attacks against the kafirs.
Islam › Re: How Was Muslims Prayers Reduced From 50 To 5? by true2god: 8:56am On Sep 17, 2016
The shia pray 3 times instead of 5. Does that mean that Allah might still reduce it to 2 or 1 or cancel islamic prayer altogether?
Christianity Etc › Who Is The Boss: Allah Or Mohammed? by true2god(op): 8:33am On Sep 17, 2016
I have spent over 5 years working in an organized private sector of the Nigerian economy. One thing that is common is the desire of the subordinates to please their masters or superiors in order to gain favor, money, comfort or promotion. When I became an Islamic online scholar, I noticed a replica of some work ethics, vis-à-vis the boss-servant relationship, in the relationship between allahh and Mohammed. I saw this similarities being played in the Quran and the hadith. Let us look into this scenario below, as recorded in the hadith and the Qur'an, to make a conclusion.

In Quran 33:51, it says:
"You (Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive whom you will. And whomsoever you desire of those whom you have set aside (her turn temporarily), it is no sin on you (to receive her again), that is better; that they may be comforted and not grieved, and may all be pleased with what you give them. God knows what is in your hearts. And God is Ever All-Knowing, Most Forbearing."

From the above statement, allahh was ready to ensure Mohammed's happiness and making sure his apostle is well satisfied. As a junior staff, I always desire the satisfaction of my superior officer. Who is the boss here?

In sahih bukhari 6:60:311, Aisha, the Islamic prophet's wife, said that it seems allahh is always ready to fulfil the request and desires of the apostle of Islam. Any loyal servant will try, as much as he can, to fulfil the desire of his master. Who is the boss here, allahh or Mohammed?

To make the prophet of allahh happy, allahh asked Mohammed to take more than 4 wives if he desires (Quran 33:50) but asked ordinary Muslims to take a maximum of 4. Allahh ready to give his apostle preferential treatments. Bosses are usually given preferential treatment in all cases. Who is the boss, Mohammed or allahh?
Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic State Again In France, This Time Failed ! by true2god:
hanity:
It's not compulsory you see it the way i do and the way its being said in islam but all i know is islam isnt abt our opinion but its rather its about Allah's revelations to his prophets and messenger.
Then allahh must be sick for asking a 51-year old man to marry a 6-year old girl. Are you telling me that allahh did not see mature girls and young ladies to recommend for mohammed? That means allahh has no sense to decency. Aisha was initially bethrothed to young Jubair ibn Mutim (aisha's fiance) only for the prophet of allahh to nullify it, by claiming a fake allahh's revelation for his selfish interest. He also did the same to zaid ibn mohammed (his foster son) by getting a fake revelation from fake allahh (quran 33;37) after seeing zaid wife (zainab) half naked and very pretty (al-tabarri volume 8 pages 2 to 5). To dispel public criticism, he claimed that allahh had made lawful to him (alone) any believing woman who is ready to offer herself (for sex or wife) to him (quran 33:50).

And if you take a honest look at Aisha appraisal of mohammed's criminal and dishonest lifestyle, she rightly summarized it thus and I quote: 'It seems your lord (allahh) always hasten to do your heart desires' (sahih bukhari 6:60:311). This hadith was also a product of another allahh's fake revelation in quran 33:51 where mohammed claimed he has the right to determine who he wanted to spend the night with (among the numerous wives) and allahh favoured Mohammed so that he will not unhappy. Can you imagine that allahh is always ready to please mohammed? That means that allahh is mohammed's working tool. Who is the boss, allahh or mohammed (watch out for this thread, gonna be explosive)?

Islam, of course, can never be my opinion because it a religion, a belief system of a 7th century illiterate arab barbarian. I use my common sense hence cannot follow the sunnah of the prophet of allahh.
Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic State Again In France, This Time Failed ! by true2god: 1:23pm On Sep 16, 2016
hanity:
Even if u claimed they are unfounded theories,how do you explain the fact that maturity doesnt lie in the age,you might be six and act like an adult and you might be 20 and mentally you are a kid,how do you explain that?
Don't be terrible in reasoning. There is no way a 6 year old girl can be mature enough for marriage, no matter how you try spin it. Marriage, aside emotional maturity, also has to do with physical maturity.
It is OK for you to defend who/what you hold dear, but Mohammed is a psycho.
Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic State Again In France, This Time Failed ! by true2god: 6:30am On Sep 16, 2016
hanity:
Educated illiterate!That is what you are,so you are actually thinking centuries before now and the people then had the same growth and develoment as our time.Kai e dey pain me for you ooo.
I am so sorry dear. I never knew that a 9 year girl during the time of Mohammed was a full fledged woman ready to have sex with a 54 year old man. I never knew that human growth and development, 1400 years ago, is higher than today. I never knew that you are great scientists to have discovered this unique type of human evolution. I never knew that girls who grow up in the desert region, as the case of Aisha here, have a higher tendencies of developing faster than girls who grow up in a rainforest and/or temperate region (where there are more food and animals than the desert region).

Your unfounded theory, which has zero scientific basis, that girls who lived 1400 ago have better growth and development (always used to justify Mohammed's shamelessness with Aisha) than girls of today is only acceptable in the mosques and Saudi Arabia. A girl who grow up in Europe of 1400 years ago would have a better growth and development than a girl who grow in the desert of Arabia where there are fewer foods and animals.

Stop parroting unfounded Islamic theories that are used in justifying your prophet criminal behaviour.
Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic State Again In France, This Time Failed ! by true2god: 7:35pm On Sep 15, 2016
aminusanti:
Wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it..
I advice you to seek proper knowledge of islam before is too late. Allah did not send his revelations to BBC News or Sky News. Want to learn about islam? Go to the correct sources: QUR'AN & HADITH.
Do you mean terror manuals volume 1 (quran) and volume 2 (ha-death) which advocated terror against enemies of allahh, Islam and Mohammed (Quran 8:60 and sahih bukhari 4:52:220)?

For over 1400 years Muslims have been fighting the enemies of allahh yet over 80% of humanity had refused to submit to allahh. allahh must be a powerless Arabia idol whose foot soldiers (the ummahh) cannot defeat the kafir.

Kafir Akbar!
Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic State Again In France, This Time Failed ! by true2god: 7:25pm On Sep 15, 2016
Demmzy15:
Let's see the gibberish the servant of Satan aka true2god would spill.
Are you not ashamed of your shameless prophet? See my post above on your criminal and wicked prophet.
Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic State Again In France, This Time Failed ! by true2god: 7:21pm On Sep 15, 2016
hanity:
You keep condemning every single thing about islam yet you dont knw notin abt it

Yh it marriage and not fornication we call it.Y'all dont see anything wrong in sexing minor when dating but when marriage is involve you start saying trash.

Sure if i love the man of 50 whats wrong in marrying him,society and cultures keeps getting the upper hand while religion is seen as what?

The marriage was a divine inspiration so what else are we talking about?and mind you it was never written anywhere that the girl was forced into marriage and Aisha(Radiyallahu anha) never showed any sign of displeasure in her marriage bt instead she was even jealous when people are around the Prophet(sallallahu alayhi wasallam)
Are you OK? How can a 6 year old girl love an old man of 51, a man old enough to be her grandfather? What does a 6 yr old girl know about love? You should be ashamed of your pedofile prophet who engaged a girl whose age is equivalent to a girl who is meant to be in primary one.

See your holy text that sanctioned your prophet evil marriage to a toddler:

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
Some Muslims claim that it was Abu Bakr who approached Muhammad asking him to marry his daughter. This is of course not true and here is the proof.

Sahih Bukhari 7.18
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."

Arabs were a primitive lot with little rules to abide. Yet they had some code of ethics that they honored scrupulously. For example, although they fought all the year round, they abstained from hostilities during certain holy months of the year. They also considered Mecca to be a holy city and did not make war against it. A adopted son’s wife was deemed to be a daughter in law and they would not marry her. Also it was customary that close friends made a pact of brotherhood and considered each other as true brothers. The Prophet disregarded all of these rules anytime they stood between him and his interests or whims.
Abu Bakr and Muhammad had pledged to each other to be brothers. So according to their costoms Ayesha was supposed to be like a niece to the Holy Prophet. Yet that did not stop him to ask her hand even when she was only six years old.
But this moral relativist Prophet would use the same excuse to reject a woman he did not like.

Sahih Bukhari V.7, B62, N. 37
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
It was said to the Prophet, "Won't you marry the daughter of Hamza?" He said, "She is my foster niece (brother's daughter). "

Hamza and Abu Bakr both were the foster brothers of Muhammad. But Ayesha must have been too pretty for the Prophet to abide by the codes of ethics and custom.
In the following Hadith he confided to Ahesha that he had dreamed of her before soliciting her from her father.

Sahih Bukhari 9.140
Narrated 'Aisha:
Allah's Apostle said to me, "You were shown to me twice (in my dream) before I married you. I saw an angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said to him, 'Uncover (her),' and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.

The fake apostle even have to lie that allahh (a demon of course) showed Aisha to him in a dream that has no confirmation. How can you stoop so low never to realise that Mohammed and the Arabs have scammed you big time?

No sane person can justify a 54 year old man sleeping with a 9 year old girl. Well, this is Islam and their immoral and evil prophet.
Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic State Again In France, This Time Failed ! by true2god: 11:04am On Sep 15, 2016
hanity:
Lmao!And what are you?A bigger disgrace!At what age did you start having sex?And dont you still go about sleeping with cats and dogs around all in the name of civilization.See who seem to know more about other people's religion,wonderful!

Talking about sleeping with kids,i guess it would have been better if you got married earlier than just keep giving ur body to guys free and easily like a condemned damaged goods!
This is a big problem, that is when you attempt set your moral standard in line with that of an Arabian criminal called Mohammed. No sane man, at the age of 51, will lust after a small girl of 6. Mohammed, at 54, started sleeping with Aisha when she became 9.

Since you think it is OK, why don't you marry a 50 year old man when you were 7, in obedience to the sunnah of your immoral prophet. Does marriage stop infidelity? How many wives did your prophet marry and how many wives did he advise Muslims to marry? And fya, Saudi Arabia (leader of the Muslim world) does not have a minimum age of marriage for female. This is in line with the sunnah and the koran (Koran 65:4). A girl as young as 2 can be married off.

Stop supporting barbaric Arab culture in the name of Islam.
Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic State Again In France, This Time Failed ! by true2god: 1:09pm On Sep 14, 2016
annunaki2:
Most NL muslims know these terrible things about mohammed and even much worse things that you have not listed here but they have been brainwashed from birth to this terrible character as 'the best of mankind' so their screwed up brain cannot process the fact that what he did is wrong, rather they try to justify it. today the moral decadence, backwardness and terrorism in the islamic world is being justified withe sunnah of mohammed which all good muslims are expected to emulate.
It is very easy to know that Mohammed was a fake guy who lives on looting of infidels for profit.


What makes Islam unique:
1) It is the only religion whose founder believe that victory can only be achieved through terror (sahih bhukari 4:52:220)

2) It is the only religion which recommends death for whoever attempts to leave the religion (sahih bhukari 52:260, sahih bhukari 83;37)

3) It is the only religion whose founder is entitled to 20% of war booty (quran 8:1, quran 8:40).

4) Islam is the only religion that allowed marriage to girls under the age of 7 (quran 65:4, sahih bukhari 7:62:64, sahih bhukari 9:87:140, sahih bukhari 5:58:236)

5) Islam is the only religion whose founder asked\encourage physical harm against non-muslims (quran 9:29

6) Islam is the only religion whose founder asked muslims to extort money from the christians and the Jews, failure to comply would result to bodily harm or death(quran 9:29)

7) Islam is the only religion whose founder encouraged his members to sleep with female war captives (quran 23:5-6, quran 4:24, quran 33:50, sahih muslim 3371, sahih bhukari 4138, sunan abu dawud 2150)

Let me stop here for now. It is only a potential psychiatric patience that will follow the foot step of mohammed. 90% of muslims do not follow his evil ways or are ignorance of all his crimes or are just moving along as ordinary muslims who have nothing to do with the sunnah of their prophet (heat be upon him).
Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic State Again In France, This Time Failed ! by true2god: 11:22am On Sep 14, 2016
hanity:
Subhanallah,Beware of how you speak,God can't be mocked.I pray its not after death you start regretting all these
Are you a lady? If 'yes' you really disappointed me. Women are the greatest victim of Islam.

Do know that Mohammed approved having sex with female war captives?

Do you know that Mohammed, your greatest man ever, married baby Aisha when when was 6 and started sleeping with her when she became 9?

Do you know that Mohammed slept with a Jewish lady, called safiya, after killing her husband and parent?

Do you know that safiya was a war booty which Mohammed bought from Dhiya for the exchange of 7 slaves slaves after the battle of khaibar (sunnah ibn majah volume 3 hadith number 2272)?

Do you know that Mohammed approved a husband beating his wife (Quran 4:34)? Do you know that Mohammed married his adopted son's wife after visiting him (zaid) and saw his wife half naked? (Quran 33:37, al-tabari volume 8 page 2 to 4)?

You dont seem to know you religion or your prophet.
Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic State Again In France, This Time Failed ! by true2god: 11:01am On Sep 14, 2016
TopeQs:
I'm a Muslim, proud of my religion..... I don't know what you think you know about Islam but I'm sure you know next to nothing about Islam..
I'm not just a Muslim by birth, I also read well about Islam, if I wasn't Muslim by birth I'd have changed my religion because of the fact I know now.


by the way, you can't be the one to tell me who a true Muslim is, how much do you know MUHAMMAD?

you just shouldn't say what you don't know.....
I know much about Mohammed than 90% of Muslims worldwide. My office Muslim colleagues are always amazed if I quote from the Koran, the hadith, al-tabari, ibn ishaq, sunnah ibn majjah and other evil Islamic books that exposed the criminal tendencies of the Arabs and Islam.

Mohammed, in his own word, said: ...I have been made victorious by means of terror. (sahih bukhari 4:52:220).
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by true2god: 4:46am On Sep 14, 2016
JMAN05:
The verses didn't support ur allegation of a heresy.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by true2god: 4:40am On Sep 14, 2016
firestar:
I don't tolerate rude behaviour Emusan.
You will be addressed as one lacking courtesy in manner of speech.

You of all people should discern that if you require answers, at least be polite.
You are not addressing the issue at hand but instead you are talking about someone being rude to you as if you are a boss to anyone here. Please address the issues being raised against the JW fallacies and stop deflecting.
Christianity Etc › Re: 11111 by true2god: 6:38am On Aug 29, 2016
plappville:
true2god don enter house oooo grin cheesy grin cheesy
Na so my sister. I have been around without commenting but decided to school our ignorant and highly brainwashed black Muslims how Mohammed enslaved our ancestors and how the Arabs still regarded Blacks as slaves. One of the most successful slave masters and slave owners is Mohammed ibn abdullah, the prophet of Islam. It is well documented in the hadith, al-tabari and by the famous Islamic scholar, ibn ishaq.

The Arabs taught the Europeans the business of enslaving black people. The Europeans then exploited it to the full. Slavery is evil and anyman that buy and sell his fellow man is an evil man, which makes Mohammed an evil man. If Mohammed is the greatest prophet, as Muslims lied to us, he would have abolished it. But he even bought slaves for his daughter Fatima for her to use at the mill and yet lying Muslims are telling us that Mohammed bought slaves to free them.

No sane man can defend Mohammed rationally and logically.
Christianity Etc › Re: 11111 by true2god: 2:07pm On Aug 28, 2016
lexiconkabir:
No i aint running away, i have dismantled and crushed all your lame claims, so you have resorted to cussing out, i won't cuss you out, but i will strike out, savvy? wink
Why are you boasting that you have dismantled his claim when all what you wrote is riddled with lies and half truth. The guy exmuslim, though I disagree with him in some cases, have better knowledge of Islam than you. He articulated his argument with fact from the Quran and the hadeeth very precisely. All you do here is defend Mohammed and the Arabs. You need not glorify failure as victory.
Christianity Etc › Re: 11111 by true2god:
lexiconkabir:
sorry to burst your bubble again Muhammad did not owned slaves for the purpose of suffering them rather he used to purchase slaves in order to free them, not to sell them or give them tedious works, i didnt say this ibn Qayyim did in his Zad Al-Ma’ad, also this is from wikipedia;

The Islamic prophet Muhammad encouraged manumission of slaves, even if one had to purchase them first. On many occasions, Muhammad's companions, at his direction, freed slaves in abundance. [size=15pt]Muhammad personally freed 63 slaves, and his wife Aisha freed 67. In total his household and friends freed 39,237 slaves[/size]. The most notable of Muhammad's slaves were: Safiyya bint Huyayy, whom he freed and married; Maria al-Qibtiyya, given to Muhammad by a Sassanid official, whom he freed and who may have become his wife; Sirin, Maria's sister, whom he freed and married to the poet Hassan ibn Thabit and Zayd ibn Harithah, whom Muhammad freed and adopted as a son.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_slavery#Muhammad.27s_traditions



when the arabs say shaytan(satan), it doesnt necessarily mean satan as in iblees, but someone who is an oppressor in a way, i didnt make this up, look at the Quran and see what it says;

Thus, have We made, for every Prophet, an enemy, the shaytan of mankind and Jinn, inspiring one another with, adorned speech by way of deception."{Qur’an 6:112}

As you can see, the Quran says "a shaytan(i.e satan)" is an enemy, which can come from man or jinn, now Nabtal Ibn Al-Hareth, used to backbite the prophet with the other hypocrites, the description was أذلم which is dark and not BLACK, and jibril(whom gave the revelation) was speaking about him in specification and described him as such: "A man will come to you, dark with unruly hair, red-shot eyes and red-cheeks with a disfigured face, his liver is bigger than that of a donkey, if he comes to you watch out for him, he carries what you say to the hypocrites to backbite you." you can find this in Seera Nabaweyya for Ibn Ishaq.

so basically Nabtal was being referred to as "shaytan" not because he was a dark, but because he was an enemy of the prophet(from men).



your hatred did not let you see, where Muhammad was even raising a black to high status, he said THE ARABS OF THAT TIME SHOULD LISTEN AND OBEY THEIR RULERS EVEN IF IT IS A BLACK MAN!! and as for the description "raisin" its a fair descripton to me, have you seen some very elderly eithiopian people? their skin becomes very wrinkled with age. The understanding of the hadith is that no matter if your leader is black ( as before islam some people used to look down on black people) or even if he is old and weak then you obey him.



no no no, youve inserted your own thoughts here, the hadith says "Set this maid free because she is from the children of Ishmael" it did not say "it is alright for an Arab to sell an offspring off if he or she is from a black slave", and i wonder why you did not think "since its because there are ishmaelites, then its ok to sell israelites" rather your mind went to africans, smh for you.



This has its explanation which i wouldnt want to delve into, but in summary it has to do with the promise that Allaah made to Abraham that his offsprings will be made Leaders, moreover hope you know quraish does not mean all the arabs? some arabs too are not privileged such that "these twelve khalifs" will come from their clan", like i said, Allaah is actually fulfilling a promise he made to Abraham.



let me just give general proofs to debunk all your thoughts, as weve seen, you are implying what islamic sources did not imply;

The Quran says;

O you who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest you swerve, and if you distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do." [An-Nisa 4:135]

Muhammad said;

"Whosoever leaves off obedience and separates from the Jamaa'ah and dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah. Whoever fights under the banner of the blind, becoming angry for 'asabiyyah (i.e nationalism/tribalism/partisanship) or calling to 'asabiyyah, or assisting 'asabiyyah, then dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah."

Also this hadith says;

Ibn 'Abbas said to me, "Shall I show you a woman of the people of Paradise?" I said, "Yes." He said, "[size=15pt]This black lady[/size] came to the Prophet and said, 'I get attacks of epilepsy and my body becomes uncovered; please invoke Allah for me.'

The Prophet said (to her), 'If you wish, be patient and you will have (enter) Paradise; and if you wish, I will invoke Allah to cure you.' She said, 'I will remain patient,' and added, 'but I become uncovered, so please invoke Allah for me that I may not become uncovered.' So he invoked Allah for her."


Again;

The Prophet said, "I saw myself (in a dream) entering Paradise, and behold! I saw Ar-Rumaisa', Abu Talha's wife. I heard footsteps. I asked, Who is it? Somebody said, 'It is Bilal (The famous black Companion of the Prophet) ' Then I saw a palace and a lady sitting in its courtyard.


The black woman mentioned in this Hadeeth (the first that talks about a woman in paradise) is not even known by her name, or who she was, she is rather known by her deeds, her faith, her modesty, her chastity, her care about not being uncovered and for her being an inmate of Paradise. And that is what matters indeed.

The Quran says in Surah Al-Hujurat 49:13 -

O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female,and made you into nations and tribes,that you may know one another.Verily,THE MOST HONORABLE OF YOU WITH Allah IS THAT (BELIEVER) WHO HAS AT-TAQWA [i.e. PIETY,SELF-CONTROL]. Verily,Allah is All-Knowing,All-Aware.

Did prophet Muhammad(pbuh) said anything contradictory? Absolutely NO! because he said;

All mankind is from Adam and Eve,an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab;also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white EXCEPT BY PIETY AND GOOD ACTION.

How does a black gain superiority over a white? Through piety. How does a white gain superiority over a black? Through piety. If a black man has piety and an arab rejects faith, the black is superior to that arab and vice versa.

so take your hatred somewhere else.
Where do you get the info that Mohammed did not buy slaves to put them to work? Where do you get the statistics that Mohammed freed certain numbers of slaves? If we are to go buy what the Qur'an and the ha-death teaches, Mohammed was 100% engaged in slave trade, many of who are black people.

On Mohammed's marriage to safiyya, you failed to tell us how Mohammed killed her entire family and husband (when Mohammed invaded khaibar). You forgot to tell us that safiya was a war booty that Mohammed bought from one of his sahabas named Dhiya. You failed to tell us that Mohammed acquired safiya from Dhiya in exchange of seven slaves (sunnah ibn majjah vol. 3 hadith number 2279). You also refused to tell us how mohammed tortured and killed safiya's fiance, khinana, so that he can reveal where he hid their (khinana's) treasure to be taken as war booty (ibn ishaq pages 514 and 515).

There is no sane woman that will marry or sleep with a man that killed her entire family. The marriage between Mohammed and safiya was a phoney and a sham.

On Mohammed freeing Zaid, I need not remind you that Zaid later paid back by allowing Mohammed take his beautiful wife, zainab. Zaid was married to Zainab but later relinquished Zainab to Mohammed when allahh asked Mohammed not to reject what he had made lawful for him, somewhere in Quran chapter 33 (read the entire ayah and get a clue). allahh made another man's wife lawful to Mohammed. allahh endorsed adultery for Mohammed.

You said Mohammed's describing Blackman as having a head like raisin is a fair description, which means if I call you a Blackman with a coconut head it is also fair. I often wonder the kind of magical brains Muslims have.

I appreciate your zeal in defending the racist Arab-muslims but they (the Arabs) only view people like you as useful idiots.
Christianity Etc › Re: 11111 by true2god: 8:55am On Aug 28, 2016
exmuslim1:
He claimed blacks not inferior to Arabs, yet he bought and possessed black slaves. And yes I'll post the hadith- "I heard the Apostle say: ‘Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal!' He was a black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks".
Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah's Apostle said, "You should listen to and obey, your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian (black) slave whose head looks like a raisin." Sahih Bukhari 9:89:256. Muhammed claimed Blacks are not inferior to Arabs- why does Islam make it alright for an Arab to sell an offspring off if he or she is from a black slave. Where's the egalitarianism here? when A'isha (Muhammad's wife) had a maid-slave who was an Arab, Muhammad said to A'isha, `Set this maid free because she is from the children of Ishmael.'" Ibn Tamiyya Vol 31. Oh, enslaved descendants of Ishmael get special treatment right. And what about Arabs and their pride and Muhammed's followers and their unquenchable thirst for blood- Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah’s helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in Allah’s Cause. Killing him is a small matter to us. Al Tabari Vol 9.
Also, Narrated Jabir bin Samura: I heard the Prophet saying, "There will be twelve Muslim rulers (who will rule all the Islamic world)." He then said a sentence which I did not hear. My father said, "All of them (those rulers) will be from Quraish." Sahih Bukharin 9:89:329. Should this religion you love so much not give an equal opportunity to you. But no, they display their Arab supremacy openly but you still don't accept it.
The most hateful among the creation of Allah us one black man among them (Khwarij). One of his hand is like the teat of a goat or the nipple of the breast. When 'Ali b. Abu Talib (Allah be pleased with him) killed them, he said: Search (for his dead body). They searched for him, but they did not find it (his dead body). Upon this he said: Go (and search for him). By Allah, neither I have spoken a lie nor has the lie been spoken to me. 'Ali said this twice and thrice. They then found him (the dead body) in a rain. They brought (his dead) body till they placed it before him (Hadrat 'Ali). 'Ubaidullah said: And, I was present at (that place) when this happened and when 'Ali said about them. A person narrated to me from Ibn Hanain that he said: I saw that black man. Is this not racist enough.
Shem, the son of Noah was the father of the Arabs, the Persians, and the Greeks; Ham was the father of the Black Africans; and Japheth was the father of the Turks and of Gog and Magog who were cousins of the Turks. Noah prayed that the prophets and apostles would be descended from Shem and kings would be from Japheth. He prayed that the African’s color would change so that their descendants would be slaves to the Arabs and Turks. Al-Tabari Vol 2. You still wanna argue.
It is your folly to fight the Apostle, for Allah’s army is bound to disgrace you. We brought them to the pit. Hell was their meeting place. We collected them there, black slaves, men of no descent. Ishaq:450
Ahmad ibn Abi Sulayman, the companion of Sahnun said, “Anyone who says that the Prophet was black should be killed. Ibn Musa al-Yahsubi, Qadi ‘Iyad. And yet you a black man protect these racist buttfvcks.

Lemme just stop here, because if I start posting what their scholars wrote about black people, you'll cry.
May God deliver Blacks from Arab slave vehicle called Islam. It is quite shocking, with all the evidences pointing Mohammed and the Arabs as the worst racist, that black Muslims will keep depending their slave masters. This is the highest level of stupidity and irrational loyalty to Islam.

Donald Trump had not done or say 1% of what Mohammed (death be upon him) do or say to black people and the entire left wing media are attacking him as racist and bigot. Using documented Islamic sources, I think the most racist man on earth is Mohammed. He is the only known religious leader that buy and sell black slaves. He also used derogatory remarks and description on black people. The hajj tragedy of last year fully exposed the hatred and contempt the Saudis and the Arabs have for the black race.

The black nations should, as a matter of urgency and for true reconciliation, demand the Arab world issue an official apology, to the black people, for Mohammed's enslavement of blacks. Black countries should, as a matter of urgency, withdraw from the organization of Islamic conference (OIC) which is a vehicle Arab political leverage in the UN. It serves no black nation any usefulness, it is purely designed to further the Arab's global political influence.

Until we blacks see things in a proper perspective, we will continue to be slaves to the Arabs and the Europeans.

Islam is all about Arab racism, FULL STOP.
Politics › Re: I Support The Struggle For The Independence Of Palestine – Senator Sani Shehu by true2god: 8:34pm On Aug 27, 2016
Originalsly:
Historical point noted....very sharp but there is a difference.... Biafra is a part of Nigeria. ... Palestine is not a part of Israel.
What makes Biafra part of Nigeria? The British of course. If a referendum is allowed in Biafra, just as the scotish were allowed to decide if they want to remain part of the UK\Britain, I assure you that 99% of Igbos would rather want to to leave the Nigerian federation.

You know the challenge, the white man knows what is good and civil but will not extend same to the black race. Many countries are deciding their right to self determination via a UN-backed referendum but all of them are white countries, except south sudan.

The solution to inter-ethnic wars in Africa is for ethnic groups with homogenous culture and social behaviors to have a separate state. In europe almost all the countries have a homogenous language and identity,
Western europe a small land mass but that does not stop countries being formed along that line. The Germans, the Japanese, the French, the Dutch, the British, the Turks, etc each of the countries speak the same language and have similar orientations and social behavours. They have a strong sense of national identity which have a positive impact on their national development.

Nigeria is not one country and can never be one. Nigeria is like a country where the Germans, the French and the Russians share the same country. It is an experiment that had failed and will continue to fail.
Politics › Re: I Support The Struggle For The Independence Of Palestine – Senator Sani Shehu by true2god: 12:23pm On Aug 27, 2016
Originalsly:
How can one compare Biafra with Palestine? 'Biafra' is part of a Sovereign State..Nigeria. Is Palestine a part of Israel?..a Sovereign State? Present day Israel was all Palestine until 1948 when the UN decided to form the State of Israel there in order to have all the Jews from the war in one place... a place where they can call home... a State within a State. The Palestinians were pushed out... and are continued to be pushed out and are basically like prisoners hemmed in and movements controlled by Israel...against all resolutions by the UN....but fully supported by the US regardless of what they do. Why should they not allowed to be a Sovereign State? Anyone supportinh Israel in this situation would've found no problem in supporting Hitler in exterminating the Jews. The senator has said what almost all nations have been saying and supporting....the Independence of Palestine.
Bros go back to school. Before 1914 there was no country called Nigeria. Nigeria is a country 'MADE IN BRITAIN BY THE BRITISH'. What we have, before the criminal British came to our shore, are separate ethnic groups, like Igbos, Hausas, Yorubas,Efik, Idomas, Tivs, Nupe, etc, who form a natural and separate groups that nature designed.

Nigeria became a British property after Berlin conference 1869 where the partitioning of Africa, among the European powers, was discussed. So Nigeria, like Israel, is also a product of the Europeans.

The Arabs should learn how to carry their cross, that is Israel, just as the Igbos have learnt to carry their cross, that is the hausa-fulani-yoruba (a sort of unholy alliance).

I will never support the independent of palenstine, just as no muslim or arab will support the independence of Biafra.
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Is Truthman2012 by true2god: 1:31pm On Aug 18, 2016
udatso:
Try to contact him if you have his contact. He hasn't been online for some days. Don't just sit there and say it is well.
BTW I am not a hypocrite like some of you.
I don't share personal contact with anyone on an anonymous forum because I don't drink camel urine as prescribed by Mohammed.
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Is Truthman2012 by true2god: 1:24pm On Aug 18, 2016
aminusanti:
brainless kafir
I am a proud kafir who uses his brain free from Arab superstition and Islamic apartheid.

I am against the drinking of camel urine, as advised by Mohammed. I am also against marriage to under age girls and beating of women, as advised by Mohammed (Qur'an 65:4 and Quran 4:34). I also hate terror as against your prophet who said he is a terrorist (sahih bukhari 4:52:220).
Christianity Etc › Re: Three Nigerian Pilgrims Arrested In Saudi Arabia For Alleged Drug Trafficking by true2god: 10:33am On Aug 18, 2016
I never knew there is drug trafiking business in mecca and Medina.
Christianity Etc › Re: French PM Supports Bans On Muslim Women On Burkinis by true2god: 10:26am On Aug 18, 2016
uniklinkum:
Wow unlike you dingbat, I don't care about what people choose to represent. I am a f**cking liberal that want the right of everyone respected. I don't care what anyone choose to wear or not wear, but turning your country into a laboratory for islamophobic policies bring about the numerous attacks going down in the French territories. You don't wanna go on the insult lane with me, cos I am gonna tell you how the two unfortunate orge that sired you kill themselves Japanese harakiri styled after realizing the damage done to mother earth by bringing forth a waste of space and oxygen. It's unfortunate a tree is striving to produce oxygen to sustain a numbskull like you...
Did you read what you write?
Christianity Etc › Re: French PM Supports Bans On Muslim Women On Burkinis by true2god: 10:23am On Aug 18, 2016
Plappvillemoi:
This man is always the first to spy any thread on Islam.. grin
Empire the anti-islam human scanner.
Christianity Etc › Re: French PM Supports Bans On Muslim Women On Burkinis by true2god: 10:22am On Aug 18, 2016
uniklinkum:
The world current issue of terrorism is beyond the capacity of your unicellular brain. Why was Islamic terrorism not an issue in the 1980's?? Why was the middle east and the affairs of Muslim countries becomes global issues after the fall of the Soviet union. Mainstream media brainwashed goons like you need a new set of functional brain cells.
Sorry, are you saying the media wrote the evil Quran and the ha-death? Are you saying the media postulated the Islamic apostasy laws, misogyny laws and all the Islamic anti-kafir laws?
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Is Truthman2012 by true2god: 8:57am On Aug 18, 2016
udatso:
THIS A SERIOUS MATTER OOOOO grin ( In Ajiboye007'S voice )

Fellow religionlanders, this is to draw our attention to the absence of a very vibrant poster in this section Mr truthman2012. Truthman has been unnaturally absent for no less than seven days.
If I had his contact, I would try to know what's going on.
Whatever it is I pray he is good cos I still believe that there is hope for him to see the light in Islam.
I would like to use this medium to appeal to his friends and other nairalnders (especially those that know him on a personal level) to check on him.
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It is well with him wherever he might be. If your concern is genuine it is a good gesture, but if your concern is malicious then you are a true Muslim.
Christianity Etc › Re: Imam And A Friend Killed In USA by true2god: 9:03am On Aug 17, 2016
omokab:
I saw this news briefly on CCTV this morning and I quickly rushed to internet to find out what really happen. A 35 years old man from new York named Oscar morel killed imam and his friend after prayer in new York. But police detective have arrested the man and charged him to court. But the most unfortunate thing there is that the news is not circulate on our national newspapers the way they normally put it on front page if it had come from a muslim. Even here on nairaland o have not find any news related to this since saturday.
I think the reason for this is that most Muslim terrorist shout 'allahhu akbaru' whenever they wanna kill the kafirs or the shia while people of other faith don't kill because of religious orientation.

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