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aminusanti:
I don't know when u will start reasoning like a normal human being.

Research Study places the number of Muslims worldwide to be around 1.6 billion (or 23% of the world's population). So doing some basic math, we get that about.006625% of the Muslim population are "extremist"

Since u know dis Qur'an better than the its followers get me answer to dis

whats Jihad?
Whats d greatest jihad in islam?
Pls, tell me what category would u put the 99% muslims?? and Ninety-eight percent of Muslims do not support extremist views of terrorism. And what happened to their interpretation for not killing non-belivers??

I don't know where you get your bogus statistics, the last time I checked it is still a crime, punishable by death, to abandon Islam in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Sudan, and other Islamic states. This is in obedient to Mohammed who said: 'if anyone leaves the Islamic religion, kill him'.

The last time I checked it is criminal offense to build a church or synagogue in Saudi Arabia but the Saudis are spending billions of dollars to build mosque and Islamic centers in non-muslims lands.

The last last time I checked the penalty for blaspheming Islam, Mohammed and allahh is death in all Muslim countries. The list is endless. The fact remains, Islam is a religion formed by a bunch of Arab criminals who are bent on global dominance. So your peaceful Islam is a myth that can only exist in the psych of brainwashed Muslims like you. No practical proof supported your 0.06625%. You must be dozing while typing this lies of yours.

tartar9:
The earlier original scripture

Thanks bro. Please where can I get this 'earlier original scripture'?

true2god:
Why are you using the bible to justify Mohammed's criminal behavior? In the verses you quoted, the war was not to convert the enemies to Yahweh, unlike Mohammed who fought and kill for allahh (qurann 9:29). The war was a political war between countries.

And fya, the poison that killed Mohammed was prepared in khaibar by a Jewish woman who Mohammed killed her entire family.

Muhammad’s Death Indicates He was not Prophet:

The Quran says, And if he (Muhammad SAW) had forged a false saying concerning Us (Allah), We surely should have seized him by his right hand (or with power and might), And then certainly should have cut off his life artery (Aorta), (Quran 69:44-46, Muhsin Khan).

Sometime after Muhammad ate poisoned meat and was dying he exclaimed,
….Narrated ‘Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, “O ‘Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison.” (Sahih Bukhari 5:59:713).


“She said: If you were a prophet, it would not harm you; but if you were a king, I should rid the people of you. The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) then ordered regarding her and she was killed. He then said about the pain of which he died: I continued to feel pain from the morsel which I had eaten at Khaybar. This is the time when it has cut off my aorta. (Abu Dawud 39:4498)”


“Narrated Umm Mubashshir: Umm Mubashshir said to the Prophet (peace be upon him) during the sickness of which he died: What do you think about your illness, Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him)? I do not think about the illness of my son except the poisoned sheep of which he had eaten with you at Khaybar. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: And I do not think about my illness except that. This is the time when it cut off my aorta. (Abu Dawud 39:4499)”

The conclusion seems simple: Based on what Muhammad recited in the Quran and based on Muhammad’s testimony when he was dying he was not a true prophet of God.

Mohammed, based on his personal revelation and testimony, as recorded both in the Quran and the hadith, is a false prophet.

tartar9:
And your evidence is....NOTHING! as usual.
We all know who the expert is in kidnapping and raping women little girls.

NU 31:31-40 32,000 virgins are taken by the
Israelites as booty. Thirty-two are set aside (to
be sacrificed?) as a tribute for the Lord.

DT 20:13-14 "When the Lord delivers it into your
hand, put to the sword all the males .... As for
the women, the children, the livestock and
everything else in the city, you may take these as
plunder for yourselves.

DT 21:10-13 With the Lord's approval, the
Israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women"
from the enemy camp to be their captive wives.
If, after sexual relations, the husband has "no
delight" in his wife, he can simply let her go.

Why are you using the bible to justify Mohammed's criminal behavior? In the verses you quoted, the war was not to convert the enemies to Yahweh, unlike Mohammed who fought and kill for allahh (qurann 9:29). The war was a political war between countries.

And fya, the poison that killed Mohammed was prepared in khaibar by a Jewish woman who Mohammed killed her entire family.

truthmans2012:
Naturally speaking, common sense is enough to detect islam as a religion that came from satan. Muslims' ways of life clearly shows they are against the true God.

No, they are victims of extensive brainwashing. Its not easy for most of them to accept the atrocities of Mohammed as facts hence some of them lose confidence in the hadith. But unfortunately, almost all the narration in the hadith concerning Mohammed are true and over 90% of Muslims are ignorant of Mohammed's deeds as recorded in the hadith.

Don't blame Muslims, blame Islam. Don't blame the Germans, blame the Nazis.

I have watched this video. The man was so annoyed and emotional that the Arab/Muslim world had been brainwashed and deceived for 1400 years by one psychopath named Mohammed ibn abdulla. He was ready to damn any consequence by even calling the Islamic perfect man all names attributable to criminals and evil people. I need this book (the people vs Mohammed) Asap before the OIC will eventually call for it ban and before fatwas start coming from all angles.

Any nairalander that have purchased should assist by contacting me. I will pay for the book then both of us will agree on how to manage the book.

truthmans2012:
Islam is a religion of the hypocrites.

Some people who have similar cases like that of Eze were invited to AIT and it was that day it was discovered that there were twenty one other cases officially. Those concerned stated that a woman would first bath the girls with islamic ritual water before taking them to sharia commission for wedding.

How can you convince anybody that sharia commission does not understand islam? Deceiver !!!

Muslims always think that we kafirs are fools; they don't understand that we are in information age hence no more place for Islamic lies, hypocrisy and propaganda to hide. All hadith narrations and the Quran are available online.

The next Islamic lies is 'YOU DONT UNDERSTAND ARABIC'. What a logic!

vanguard90:
Apoda leleyi sha. I just told you what the Shari'a says.
That some Muslims does something doesn't make it Islam's position on the issue. Forced marriage is wrong.
That some Christians drink doesn't make it the Bible's position on such, does it?
Keep weeping there ehn

Maybe you don't understand that Muslims and the kafirs are in a permanent state of war as declared by Mohammed in the qurann (qurann 9:29, qurann 2:191-192, qurann 8:39). So taking kafir as a technical spoil of war is halal in Islam (qurann 4:34, qurann 8:1).

If you read the hadith you will see a similar scenario where the prophet of allahh attacked the Jewish tribe of khaibar (sahih bukhari 1:8:367). What's their crime? They rejected Mohammed and Allah hence Quran 9:29 was invoked. The major purpose of this attack was for allahh's messenger to collect war booty, which included women. Aisha also confirmed this criminal behavior by Mohammed and his sahabas in sahih bukhari 5:59:547.

On Mohammed's attack on khaibar, a Jewish man named kinanah was captured by Mohammed and was asked to reveal where they keep their treasure. The man refused and the apostle of allahh asked that man be tortured so that he can reveal where the treasure is (ibn ishaq page 515).

However the most important war booty was a Jewish woman named safiya. After Mohammed's raid on the Jewish tribe of Khaibar, one of Mohammed's sahabas named Dhiya asked Mohammed if they can share the captured women among themselves. Dhiya had already seen the most beautiful one among the captured women, that is safiya (sahih bukhari 1:8:367). However one of the bandits decided to sabotage Dhiya by informing Mohammed of safiya's beauty (sahih bukhari 1 :8:367) hence allahh's apostle asked his men to take any other woman and leave safiya for him.

Mohammed married her the very day after killing her father and husband. So if you follow the sunnah of the prophet, is is perfectly halal to capture and marry kafir women.

truthman2012:
Quran says all prophets before Muhammad died (Quran 5:75), that statement must be a lie if Jesus didn't die. So many discrepancies in the quran, proving alllah is truly a deceiver.

The brain is like a donkey and the mosque is islam. You can move from place to place with your donkey but as you as one enters a mosque, you must park your donkey outside. You are not allowed to enter a mosque with your donkey.

I hope you understand what i mean?

mustymatic:
There is no valley on earth called Baca (or Bakkah) that contains a house of worship and a spring of water (Zamzam), in which one prayer is better than a thousand prayers offered anywhere else, other than Makkah al-Mukarramah.

Baca (Bakkah) is one of the names of Makkah. This name is mentioned in the Holy Qur’an, where Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning)”

“Verily, the first House (of worship) appointed for mankind was that at Bakkah (Makkah), full of blessing, and a guidance for Al-Alameen (the mankind and jinns)”

[Aal ‘Imraan 3:96].

But the translators and commentators of the Old Testament distorted the word Baca to buka’ [weeping or crying; the Hebrew cognate denotes the same meaning], even though the meanings of place names should not be translated; rather the name should be transliterated, and even though the meaning of the (original) name has nothing to do with crying or weeping, as a result of their desire to eliminate all references to anything that is proven in the Holy Qur’an, such distortions occurred.

The following verses are from The Bible's book of Psalms, Chapter 84.

Pslams is believed to be revealed to Prophet David (Dawood) (peace be on him). The Holy Quran refers to the book as Zabur, which is not extant in its original form.
The text below is taken from the NIV version of The Bible (http://bible.gospelcom.net )
Psalm 84 :: New International Version (NIV)


1 How lovely is your dwelling place,
O LORD Almighty!
2 My soul yearns, even faints,
for the courts of the LORD ;
my heart and my flesh cry out
for the living God.

3 Even the sparrow has found a home,
and the swallow a nest for herself,
where she may have her young-
a place near your altar,
O LORD Almighty, my King and my God.
4 Blessed are those who dwell in your house;
they are ever praising you.
Selah

5 Blessed are those whose strength is in you,
who have set their hearts on pilgrimage.
6 As they pass through the Valley of Baca,
they make it a place of springs;
the autumn rains also cover it with pools.
7 They go from strength to strength,
till each appears before God in Zion.

8 Hear my prayer, O LORD God Almighty;
listen to me, O God of Jacob.
Selah
9 Look upon our shield, O God;
look with favor on your anointed one.

10 Better is one day in your courts
than a thousand elsewhere;
I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God
than dwell in the tents of the wicked.
11 For the LORD God is a sun and shield;
the LORD bestows favor and honor;
no good thing does he withhold
from those whose walk is blameless.

12 O LORD Almighty,
blessed is the man who trusts in you.

BACA IS MECCA: the holy Ka'ba built by the prophet Abraham (PBUH) and his son Ishmael (PBUH) is in Mecca.

The name Mecca (Makkah) is mentioned in the Holy Qur'an in 48:24. Another name for Mecca is Bakka, depending on the dialect of the tribe: this is also mentioned once, in Sura 3:96

"Verily, the first house (of worship) appointed for mankind was that in Bakka (Mecca), full of blessing, and guidance for all people." Amazingly enough, this word Bakka is mentioned by the prophet David (PBUH) in the Bible:

"Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well, the rain also filleth the pools." (Psalm 84:6)

The well here is the well known well of Zam-Zam, still present now, close to the Ka'bah; after thousands of years.

Baca is not just mecca, it is barcelona. So since we also call Barcelona 'Baca', biblical Baca must be in spain. This is islamic logic and argument. No reason, no logic and anti-facts.

truthman2012:
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Once a liar always a liar. Not only the 6th pillar of islam, so many other lies are found in the quran.

When Muhammad was to marry Zainab, the wife of his adopted son, allahh said there was nothing wrong with it and that the people of old did the same [Quran 33:37).Till date, no where can we find another prophets or persons who married the wife of his adopted son before Muhammad.

When Muhammad received message or revelation from islamic Satan, which would have made him a false prophet, Allah came to his rescue by consoling him and said none of the past prophets before him that didn't receive revelation from Satan equally [Quran 22:52 YusufAli]. But nowhere can we find any prophets who received revelation from Satan like Muhammad.

When Muhammad marry the wife of his adopted son, Allah said from then, muslims would find no difficulty in marrying the wives of their adopted sons. This is found to be a lie as he cancelled children adoption shortly later. [Quran 33:37].

With those lies and other inconsistencies in the quran, how can any sane person believe it as the word of God?

This brings to where the prophet of islam even highlighted areas where lies are permissible, according to the hadith.

mohammed said:“If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath” (Bukhari: V7B67N427). He had further said: “Allah and his Messenger dissolve obligations” (Quran 9:3). Also in Quran 66:2, Muhammad had declared: “Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows.” MUSLIMS ALWAYS LIE ...they have shown that MANY times in their comments on nairaland.

It is islamically ok to lie to deceive infidels, never trust a muslim.

truthman2012:
Muslims, be honest to yourselves, why would Abraham exclude his main wife and other children from islamic worship in Mecca if he was truly the founder of islam there?

I challenge muslims to show where other members of Abraham's family: Sarah, Isaac, Jacob and other Bible prophets participated in islamic worship in Mecca.

I also challenge muslims to prove that Adam was living in Mecca to have solely built Kaaba.

If you cannot answer the questions, it shows islam is a deception and it is an insult on your
God-given intelligence to be cheaply deceived by the Devil.

Lies are usually unsustainable for far too long. How can muslims lie to us, without blinking an eye-lid, that the fist human being lived in mecca even when science, history and facts say otherwise?

For sure, the 6th pillar of islam is lies.

aminusanti:
how market mr critic?
u just can't stop decieving urself! Wasn't it d same topic that was trashed last year and now u are bringing up again confusing ur fellow xtians more. There is no gain i told several times didn't i? I suggest u should go n start analyzing those contracting verses from paul, mark, mathew and john in ur bible rather than wasting ur time here, there r a lot of confused xtians like you wanting to know why, when, how and who in ur book they need u d most

"https://www.nairaland.com/2287893/allah-loves-pagans-hates-jews/1#39781433"

For the fact that we have talked about it before does not mean we should ignore it now, more people are joining nairaland who were not part of the last discussion.

The practice of marwan and tarfa, as aisha noted, was performed by meccan pagans in the pre-islamic era and was regarded, by aisha, as part of idolatary. Why will islam continue with a practice associated with paganism? The standard response from muslim apologist was that hagar and ishmeal did it hence muslims must also, like robots, perform the 'pagan ritual'. And from history, aside from saudi revised history, neither abraham nor ishmeal set foot on mecca. The Jewish scriptures, which mohammed plagarized, never mentioned mecca or kabba for once neither did any Jewish prophet (moses, jesus, daniel, isiah, jeremiah, the disciples, etc) ever talked about mecca or kabba. Why are muslims deceiving us? allahh asked muslims to seek the 'people of the book' (the jews and the christians) for re-confirmation if muslims need clarifications on his 'revelations' to mohammed, why are muslims now more intelligent that allahh?

Muslims wanna make islam look like a rocket science through conflicting tasfirs and hadiths (weak hadith, fake hadiths and authentic hadith excuses) but we will continue the good work of making them understand their text if they lack intellectual capacity to analyse and interprete them. No offense intended bro.

Farmerforlife:
Actually, I would have ignored this emotional outburst from you, but I just would like to point out that you believe that Jesus is God, and was with God (even at the time of the Israeli conquests). Therefore, he must have been part of the God that ordered the Hebrews to slaughter, rape and steal the lands of non believers... activities which you claim to be crimes. Were Moses and Joshua criminals? Did Jesus order them to commit crimes as part of the trinity? He couldnt have asked christians to fight unbelievers, because 12 disciples (one of whom was a traitor) could not have taken on the Roman Empire. He did command widespread slaughter of Amalekites, Canaanites, Jebusites, Phillistines etc earlier (while he was still with 'God the father'). And we discover that Christians did not shun the use of the sword to convert the heathen after they became numerous enough to do so. This leads us to believe that not fighting unbelievers in Jesus' time was due to lack of opportunity, not intention.



Since you have no recourse to stipulations on fasting in your religion, I do not think you have a right to describe what fasting should or should not be. Christians fast? Dont make me laugh, a christian once told me that he fasts by reducing his morning bread intake from N100 bread to N60, no kidding. Who is to say that he was wrong according to christianity? We do not fast to show off, we fast in obedience to our Lord who told us when and how to fast. It is not our faults if you non Muslims are more eager to calculate how many days we fasted, and how many days are left than we are. If your mind was not constantly bothered by our fasting, you would not have even known that we were doing so.



So you now believe that we descended from Ape-like creatures in Africa? And your whole refutation of my statement on the building of the Kaaba rests on this theory? Lol. It wasnt Adam the christian half ape that built the Kaaba. It was Adam the full human that did so. Science is full of ever changing theories and it has not established with any degree of certainty where mankind started from. Here are other, newer links showing that mankind started in the Middle East...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1341973/Did-humans-come-Middle-East-Africa-Scientists-forced-write-evolution-modern-man.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/8227204/Did-the-first-humans-come-out-of-Middle-East.html

Based on this, do you now believe that Adam built the Kaaba, therefore Abraham rebuilt it, therefore Islam is true?



Allah never said that the OT is not corrupt, so there is no contradiction to its being so. Even the OT itself says that it is corrupt, and that the 'wise' interpreters of the law have rejected the original word of the Lord...

<How can you say, “We are wise, for we have the law of the Lord,” when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely? The wise will be put to shame; they will be dismayed and trapped. Since they have rejected the word of the Lord, what kind of wisdom do they have?>
Jeremiah 8:8

I mean, can anyone believe that our Lord and Creator is the revealer of these following words

<There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.>
(Ezekiel 23:20)

I mean, come on for crying out loud! Why would our Creator engage in such vulgar word play? God is truly far above all that you non Muslims attribute to Him.

To educate you in detail, the Torah revealed to Moses, and which makes up part of the present OT was meant only for a short period of time, for the Hebrews alone. It was never meant by Allah to last forever, or to be applied on all mankind. Only the Quran is, and for this reason, only the Quran was preserved perfectly.



Perhaps the idiocy lies in you trying to tie the moon and star symbol to Islam by hook or by crook. The issue is very simple, bring forward a narration, or an archeological or historical finding, proving that Muslims at the time of the prophet (ﷺ) or his companions, used the symbol of the crescent moon on their flags, mosques or as part of their insignia. Come on, I challenge you. I will accept any non fabricated evidence you present.



We have already dwelt exhaustively on this topic earlier. If you insist on holding on to your beliefs in the face of all logical explanation, then there is nothing anyone can do.



Good night.

Jesus said in Matthew 6:16, "When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show others they are fasting. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. And now compare how an average muslim fast by telling the whole world they are fasting in a manner that shows a form of showmanship and hypocrisy. Besides, the arabs consume more foods at ramadan, why is this so?
www.nielsen.com/sa/en/insights/news/2015/the-ramadan-effect-reflecting-on-food-consumption-in-united-arab-emirates-and-saudi-arabia.html
www.barenakedislam.com/2013/07/15/why-do-muslims-get-so-fat-during-ramadan-when-they-fast-from-dawn-to-dusk-everyday-for-a-month/

So it is funny that muslims eat more and some develop obesity during ramadan. You should also note that mecca experience the highest food wastage at ramadan period. Is fasting synonymous to feasting, as we see in islam?

On your alleged wars in the bible, non of them have a religious undertone. The wars recorded are part of Jewish history and never a religious ones to convert infidels to Yahweh. Even today the Jews are still fighting on land issues, especially against the arab world. You will agree with me that christianity and islam never came to light when those biblical wars took place. On the other hand all the wars fought and commanded by mohammed are religious in nature to convert people to islam (under the sword of allahh). Many quranic passages and hadith sanctioned war against non-muslims or people who refused to embrase islam. Let us look at these few ones:

Sahih al-Bukhari 6924—Muhammad said: “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: La ilaha illallah (none has the right to be worshipped but Allah), and whoever said La ilaha illahllah, Allah will save his property and his life from me (my words: this is a threat that can only come from a criminal).”

Sahih Muslim 30—Muhammad said: “I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah.”

Qur’an 5:51—O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

Quran 9:29-Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

Sahih Muslim 4366—Muhammad said: “I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.” (my words: this can only come from an evil and genocidal person like mohammed)

Al-Bukhari, Al-Adab al-Mufrad 1103 —Muhammad said: “Do not give the People of the Book the greeting first. Force them to the narrowest part of the road.”

And to cap it all, mohammed concluded that he had been made victorious by means of terrors. See the hadith below:

Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 52 :: Hadith 220 Narrated Abu Huraira: allahh's Apostle said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand." Abu Huraira added: allahh's Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them). Since mohammed is the mulims perfect man, the muslims have no problem being terrorist.

Still on who built the kabba, do you suggest we ignore science and archaelogy and accept the islamic narrative that the first man to step on surface earth happen to be in mecca? We are not talking about evolution here but the history of early men which over 90% of anthropologist and archaelogist concluded started from africa. If a portion of science supports the quran muslims will celebrate it as a proove to authenticate the quran but will ignore any scientific findings that rejects the quran. This is hypocrisy and double standard. There is no single proof, remotely or otherwise, that mecca is the origin of modern man and your claim that adam (the supposed first man) lived in mecca. It is a folklore in islamic mythology without any non-islamic authentication.

On Jeremiah 8:8, this is the height of islamic malicious claim to render the Jewish scriptures null and viod, even when allahh did not void it but asked muslims to consult the people of the book in any area they are confused. It seems muslims know better than allahh. Jeremiah talked about some Jewish scribed who manipulated the law to give the people a false sense of security. If you read Jeremiah chapter 7:1-29, it is the announcement of God judgement against the people for the disobedince but the scribes were telling the people different thing hence God stated that those scribes 'are lying scribes'. I know you are intelligent, read Jeremiah chapter 7 and 8 and stop following the standard muslims mantra.

I dont want to make my post too lengthy. I will respond on the pagan origin of the crescent moon and star with archaelogical photographs on sculptures dating back to pre-islamic era. At least a visual presentation and hard evidence will assist you, if only you do not uncompromisingly hold onto the mosque and madrassas narratives that provided no single scientific or secular evidence.

Farmerforlife:
Of course, this is your opinion. The verse you quoted, in fact that entire surah, was revealed in Madinah, after most of the rites of worship, salaat, zakaat, fasting etc had already been instituted. Furthermore, none of the Muslim rites of worship were then , or are now, practised by Jews or Christians. In fact, if you can think of any Jewish or Christian sects that fast the way we do, pray the way we do, or fast the way we do, I will be very interested in knowing which precisely.

There is clear demarcation between Allah and His apostle. The prophet (ﷺ) makes it clear that any status attributed to him that gives him the right to be obeyed is by virtue of his position as His messenger. He is not to be worshipped or considered more than a messenger and servant of Allah. There is no ascribing partners to Allah in any case. The hadith quoting Aisha (ra) is not contextual and she obviously did not mean to impugn the authenticity of the Quran as you imply.



There is no archeological proof of Abraham, Noah, Moses or any of the early prophets, much less where they set foot. This does not mean that they do not exist, or that they did not go where tradition asserts that they went.
The historical chronology of the building of the mosques speaks of their establishment as holy sites, not as buildings, although it refers to original structures. The Kaaba was traditionally first built by Adam, before it was destroyed in Noah's flood and rebuilt on the original site by Abraham. There is also controversy as to whether the Temple of Solomon was built in the spot where alAqsa mosque is... its location is not really known, so the prophet (ﷺ) may or may not have been referring to Solomon's Temple location. In all cases, there are reasons to believe that the site was considered a holy site even before Judaism, and there were Jebusite sanctuaries on the spot prior to King Solomon.

http://www.baseinstitute.org/pages/temple/22

As for your dates, they are merely speculative and based on biblical chronology which puts the creation of the earth at 6000+ years ago. Obviously, it is not to be taken seriously.
If we are going to be honest, I think we should completely reject all forms of half truths as well as falsehoods. The prophet (ﷺ) wanted to rebuild the Kaaba along the lines of Abraham's design, and this is what the hadith says, and this was carried out later by Abdullah ibn alZubair (ra) as narrated by Aisha (ra). It should be clarified here that it is not the actual building of the Kaaba that is considered a sanctuary, but the location where it stands, the same as alAqsa. The Kaaba had been demolished and rebuilt a number of times due to a need for restoring the aging stones, even before revelation was sent to the prophet (ﷺ) (for example the story of how he solved the problem of who was to replace the black stone during restoration when he was young).



I did not claim that the OT has been corrupted BECAUSE it does not mention the Kaaba or hajj (again this is controversial, there are allusiins to both). I said it was corrupted, period, therefore unrelible as a historically accurate theatrise. This is not my own opinion, but the opinion of various Christian biblical scholars who are qualified in the field.
As for your quoted verses, they refer either to promises made by Allah (the first cited verse) or specifically to the Quran (the second cited verse). You can get this from context alone. Just reread the verses with an open mind.



I have already told you that the crescent moon and star are carry overs from the Ottoman caliphate and have no value in Islam as religious symbols. The prophet (ﷺ) never used them on mosques or flags or any such insignia, nor did his companions or their companions. It is not coincidental, it was the choice of a recent Turkish caliphate that got copied by Muslims elsewhere. The Quran clearly says...

<<And of His signs are the night and day and the sun and moon. Do not prostrate to the sun or to the moon, but prostate to Allah , who created them, if it should be Him that you worship.>>
Quran 41:37

The moon sighting is a measure of timing. It enables the Sultan of Sokoto to ascertain the end of the lunar month of Ramadhan, and the beginning of the lunar month of Shawwal, which starts when the moon becomes visible. In fact, the feast of Passover which Jesus celebrated according to your bible, is also based on the lunar month, along with all Jewish holidays. I hope you are not trying to imply that Jesus also worshipped the moon?



Because there was no reason NOT to pronounce the name of Allah. The Jews corrupted their religion in a number of ways, exchanging the precepts of God for those of men. This is why the obedient original Jews are referred to as 'banu Israel', distinct from the Jews, which was reserved specifically for the disobedient ones.



You may insist that they are 'fraught with half-truth and kithmanship'. I repeat however, that a half truth is atill a lie, so is kithmanship based on falsehood. I never lie about my faith.

The christians and the Jews already had an established pattern of worship before islam. And unlike islam, christianity is not a political religion which does not separate the religion from the state. Unlike islam, christianity didnt teach its members how to extort money from non-christians, as mohammed asked muslims to do (quran 9:29). Jesus didnt asked christians to fight and humiliate non-christians as mohammed commanded (quran 9:29). And unlike islam which teaches war plans and strategy against non-muslims (quran 9:5, quran 8:30 and quran 48:29), Jesus forbade his followers from doing all these criminal activities which mohammed asked muslims to engage in.

And on the issue of fasting, Jesus didnt give a compulsory period for fasting, tho' he urged his followers to always fast and pray. Fasting is a spiritual exercise that is meant to be secretive and personal between a man and his God. It should not be a festival or a feasting period as muslims do. By christian standard, if people know you are fasting it is null and void but in islam it is always a public display of self-righteousness which Jesus condemned as hypocrisy. And for your information, muslims in the arab world consume and waste more foods during ramadan. You can google this up. Why should people fasting consume and waste more food, and develop obesity during fasting? This only happen in islam.

On your second point, you said that the kabba was originally built by adam which is to say that the origin of man started from saudi arabia since adam is the first man. However secular history and archaelogy prooves that modern man originated from africa:
news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/07/070718-african-origin.html

biologos.org/blogs/archive/the-origin-of-modern-humans-the-fossil-evidence-part-1

So your claim that adam built kabba is false and has no proof outside islamic theology which had been proven false time and time again. So if the first man did not originate from the arabia nor is there any evidence he migrated there (as they do not have any means or knowledge of transport system then) then your assertion that adam built kabba is false. If your first premise is false, your second premise that abraham 're-built' kabba is also false.

You claim the OT had been corrupted, possibly because it did not support mohammed quranic narrative, that is also false. If you say the OT is corrupt, the you make allahh a liar and inconsistent in his words. However if you accept the OT as being true, then you make mohammed a liar. Whichever way, it is a lose-lose scenario for the muslims vis-a-vis their 'the bible is corrupt' argument.

On the islamic trade-mark symbol, that is the crescent moon and star, it is a pagan symbol retained in islam. Archelogical escavations, especially in afganistan, had shown many statues having a crescent moon on its chest. It is not a co-incidence that islam also incorporate that insignia into their religious symbol. Please stop blaming turkey or the othman empire on this, you make us look like idiots and we are no idiots or fools. Some of us take pain to research the history and origin of religions.

Lastly, I dont wanna dwell on the issue of allahh or no allahh. I have already made my points that the allahh that mohammed worship is the same allahh his grandfather, abdul-mutalib, worshipped. Mohammed's grandfather is an idol worshipper, why would mohammed then be different since he seem to be a custodian of the religion of his ancestors.

Good night bro.

In continuation of the pagan root of islam, mohammed retained, and even participated, the fasting methods of the mecca pagans (sahih bukhari 5:58:172) and also the doing of the tarwaf and marwan which involves walking tho and fro the two mounts. These are clearly pagan and pre-islamic practice that mohammed retained in islam (sahih bukhari 2:26:710) as approved by allahh (quran 2:158).

Hence it is crystal clear that most islamic practice have arabian pagan root and mohammed only modify (a bit) his ancetral religion so that it can have a global appeal.
After the death of mohammed, most muslim went back to their unadulterated meccan traditional religion. But a war was declared by Abu Bakr, the first rightly guided Khalifa, to bring apostates back to the fold of the muslim ummah hence the famous hadith which said 'whosoever change his religion, kill him' was invoked.

And this had served as the bedrock of ensuring the future muslims do not abandon the ummah without consequence.

Farmerforlife:
It is the same Supreme Being recognized as the Creator across all faiths. The prophet Muhammad did not introduce Him, he just eliminated the practice of associating partners with Him, or attributing sons and daughters to Him.



Some of the rites of worship practised by the pagans were inherited from Prophet Abraham (ﷺ) and his son, prophet Ismail (ﷺ). This include the Saiy from the Safa to the Marwa (in emulation of Hagar's search for water for her son), the tawaaf (which Abraham (ﷺ) himself instituted along with his son, under Allah's commands) and the jamaraat (or stoning the pillars which emulate Abraham's rejection of the devil's temptation). The prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) merely purified the rites of those acts of worship which were added to the original rites taught by Abraham (ﷺ). He also revived many rites of worship which had been neglected by the pagans, such as Salaat (daily prayers), Fasting, and Zakat. He also revived good manners, and best practices such as eliminating blood feuds, usury, gambling, drunkenness and infanticide to mention just a few... things that were common place among the pagan Arabs.



Actually, there seems to be some controversy concerning whether there are allusions to the hajj rites or not. [eg Psalms 84:5-6, Isaiah 60:1-7 etc.] However, it is not important whether the OT did actually mention the hajj or not. The OT is generally known to have been corrupted in favour of the writers of its books, towards Judaic favoritism. It does not present an actual history of those times in the view of the majority of Bible scholars.



The moon and the sun are not used for religious purposes, in that they are not worshipped. Their religious purpose does not exceed telling the time of day, month or year. If ou are referring as the moon as an Islamic symbol, there is nothing in the Quran or hadith that encourages this. The moon was a symbol of Turkish Ottoman rule (you can still see it on their flags), and somehow beecame associated with Islam.



Actually, the Jews who passed down/ wrote the OT did not give the name of God directly, as it was taboo to call Him by His name in their corrupted faith. There are references to 'El' or 'Elah' in the Bible however, as in when Jesus purportedly cried out on the cross 'Elah, Elah lama sabachtani'.



I did answer them with full honesty. In Islam, we do not lie about our faith. As the prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) said...

<<Lying leads to unrighteousness, and unrighteousness leads to the fire (of hell).>>

Consequently, you can be assurred that any qurstions you ask me will be answered honestly, even if they are detrimental to my arguments.

On your first response, you said that both mohammed and his grandfather worshipped the same allahh, which is 100% true. The only difference is mohammed's infussing (re-packaging) of his grandfather's religion (or ancestral religion) by introducing some elements of christianity and Judaism into his ancestor's pagan religion. This is because mohammed had a daily interractions with the Jews and the christians at that time (quran 9:30). On the issue of attributing patner with God, the quran, in several occassions, made reference to 'allahh and his apostle'. As a matter of fact, there is hardly any separation of 'allahh and his apostle' in the quran. This scenario hence begged this statement by aisha: 'it seems allahh is always ready to fulfill your (mohammed's) heart desires' (sahih bukhari 6:60:331). This is an observation made by aisha, that mohammed will get away with many things all in the name of allahh. From a technical point of view, most of the words mohammed attributed to allahh are his own personal words and\or desires.

On your second response, there is no any archeological proof the abraham or ishmael ever set foot on mecca. Mohammed himself claimed that the first mosque was built 40 year prior to the temple of solomon (sahih bukhari 4:55:636). If this statement is true, that means the the kabba was built around 998-991bc. But abraham lived approximately 2000bc and so going by mohammed's own statement in the hadith i provided, abraham had no business with the kabba. And as a matter of fact, mohammed also confirmed the pagan origin of the kabba and at a time contemplated destroying it (sahih bukhari 1:3:129).

On your alleged claim that the OT had been corrupted because it did not mention hajj or kabba, please do you have any proove that it was corrupted. allahh said in quran 6:115, quran 18:27.

And the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can alter His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.

And recite, [O Muhammad], what has been revealed to you of the Book of your Lord. There is no changer of His words, and never will you find in other than Him a refuge.

In the verses above, allahh re-affirmed that his words cannot be changed or altered. Since allahh recongized the Jews and christians scriptures as his words\works, as the wholly quran confirms, why are muslims lying that the current Jewish and christian scriptures have been altered? Who is lying\confused here, you or allahh?

On the fourth answer you said that the muslims do not attach any religious significance to the moon and the sun. Can you tell me the meaning of the islamic symbol of the crescent moon and star? Is it a sheer co-incidence without any religious importance? Why did the sultan of sokoto shifted the fasting days a day longer because the moon was not sighted yet?

On the fifth answer, i agree with you. The Jews find the name of God too holy to be pronounced. On hebrew or Jewish lettering, it is written as YHWH (the tetragramatton) and most attempt to pronounce it as Yahweh. If thats is the case, do you still hold onto the view that the name of God is allahh?

I apprciate your initial answers though fraught with half-truth and kithmanship.

annunaki2:
Muslim on muslim violence started shortly after the death of the fake prophet with the different sects accusing each other of being infidels and adulterating islam. A house divided against itself can never prosper.

So you mean the sunnis (ayeesha factions) and the shia (fatimah camp) butchering each other for the sake of allahh and his fake apostle? But I taught ayeesha was mohammed's wife, whom he married when she was 6 and started sleeping her when she became 9 (obviouly because the apostle of allahh is an embodiment of mercy), while fatimah was mohammed's only surviving child and daughter.

Why was fatimah fighting her father's wife? Was she not aware that allahh and his apostle will be angry with her?

Farmerforlife:
Only fringe sects of christianity like the Jehovah's Witness, reject the divinity of Jesus. And they are not even recognized as Christians by mainstream catholics, orthodox and protestant churches. I do not say that to state my own view of which is right or wrong theologically. Whenever we refer to 'christians', we are referring to the overwhelming majority of those who identify as such, not the insignificantly numbered fringe, so we are still correct.

Not all Jews speak Hebrew. Jews in Arabia then, spoke Arabic as their first language (and still do in Arab countries like Yemen), although their rabbis and scholars understood Hebrew and used it for their rituals and readings of the Torah, just like Jews in diverse countries today. There are various hadith of frequent conversations between the prophet (ﷺ) and the Jewish leaders and scholars. They referred to God as Allah. Many Jews were even called Abdullah, like Abdullah bin Salam, a foremost jewish scholar then, who converted to Islam.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_ibn_Salam

Christians in pre-Islamic Arabia also did so (and still do so until now). What most of you today have been blinded to not understand is that Allah is the name of the Supreme Creator in Arabic, and is used as such across all faiths even in pre-Islamic Arabia; Christian, Jewish, Pagan and Hanif (monotheist theist).

Not all prophets have been from the children of Israel. Allah says in the Quran that prophets have been sent to every clan with the general message of monotheism. For example, we have the prophets Adam, Noah, Abraham, Ismail...etc, all of which are pre-judaic era. We also have more recent prophets described in the Quran, who were not Hebrews... Jonah, Shuaib, Saleh etc. The Quran did not mention all the prophets that have ever been sent (a hadith states that there were over 140,000 at different times to different tribes). All the prophets however, were Muslims (submissive to the Will of God) and monotheists (uncompromising worshippers of a Single, Unique, Indivisible, Omniscient, Omnipotent Creator of the universe and everything in it). There are traces of early monotheism in practically every faith on earth today, hinting at their early monotheistic origins which may have become corrupted later. Even Hinduism with its purported 360million gods, was originally monotheistic and the Brahmin priestly caste still affirm this, saying that polytheism is for the lower castes.

Question 1: Which allahh did mohammed's grandfather worship and which allahh did mohammed introduce?

Question 2: Why was mohammed's pattern of worshipping allahh consistent with the ways and manners his grandfather worshipped allahh? Mohammed's grandfather kissed and embraced the blackstone in kabba, circumbulated the kakka 7 times (on their yearly hajj festival\pilgrimage), fasted for 30days, and also observed ramadan. Why is that mohammed's islam is more than 70% of his father's grandfather's religion?

3) Why is that non of the bible prophet performed hajj or mentioned kabba?

4) Why is that the bible condemned the use of moon and sun for religious purpose and meanwhile the muslims observe the moon for religious purpose?

5) Why is it that no bible prophet recognise allahh as a god but called their god YHWH (or Yahweh as the Jews and the bible prophets called him).

Can you honestly answer these questions?

truthman2012:
Bro., God bless you.

I always love your presentations. But one thing often surprises me, are muslims thinking with their heads? If yet, we should have no more muslims on nairaland.

They have been seriously brainwashed from childhood and will be difficult for them to see the obvious deceptions in islam. It is not easy to jettison an ideology that was impacted from infancy to adulthood hence muslims are the first victims of mohammed's ideology and his sunnah which some of them are following. The few ones that attempt to completely follow the sunnah of the prophet end up becoming terrorist after they might have graduated from being tabligs.

The battle against islam is a spiritual warefare against millions of souls trapped in this arabian and criminally relentless arabian cult.

truthman2012:
Friend, don't feed us with lies.

Mulaleb was worshiping Allah at the time you said the Meccans went into idolatry, hence he named his son after Allah (Abdullai).

What is idolatry in islam as you worship the same way as idolaters?

This is from the quran:

( Quran 2:158 Picktha) Lol! (the mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwah are among the indications of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who is on pilgrimage to the House (of Allah) or visiteth it, to go around them (as the pagan custom is). And he who doeth good of his own accord, (for him) lo! Allah is Responsive, Aware.

There are other several hadith that point to the fact that you worship islamic Allah the same way idolaters worship their own Allah too.

Don't deceive yourself, you cannot worship idols in the name of God and get to God's true heaven. Islam is a device of the Devil. When Satan was driven from heaven for wanting to overthrow God, he sought a way to be worshiped as God on earrh, and that he achieved through islam. May God deliver muslims from satanic deception.

The volume of lies and cover-ups in islam is legendary. Muslims make satan looks like a saint when it comes to telling lies to defend islam and to cover-up for mohammed's short-comings and atrocities. And to be honest, most religions have their fair share of inconsistencies but the level at which muslims lie for islam and mohammed is highly irrational and unacceptable.

Last week tuesday I watched the US senate committee on terrorism where senator Ted Cruz (the former US presidential candidate) questioned the president of muslim advocate, Mrs Khera, on why her organization was hampering on the work of the US department of homeland security (with the support of the islamic demon barrack obama who is cuurently ruling the US) by asking the FBI to scrub all national security materials where 'islam', 'ummah', 'jihad' and 'hijra' are mentioned. Out of the 6 questions the committee asked her, she didnt answer a single question straight. She spent more that seven minutes dodging all the questions posed to her.

Out of frustration, the committee moderator asked Ted Cruz to stop questioning her since she is never ready to answer a single question posed to her. Thats is the president of american muslim advocate trying her best to deceive the infidels.

On that very day, a whistle blower who was exposing the activity of the muslims brotherhood in the US (obama sacked him for doing this job), Phil Haney, was grilled and right away he responded to all questioned and further opened the eyes of the americans of the muslims' plan to destroy the US from within (with facts and evidence). Please truthman watch this senate session on youtube and you will fear muslims and islam.

As per the pagan origin of islam vis-a-vis the allahh, it is no doubt that mohammed worshipped the same allahh his ancestors worshipped. This is because the same circumbulation of kabba (7 times in anti-clockwise direction) and the same kissing of the black stone kabba was done by mohammed's father and grandfather and the practice is still being done today.

Why are muslims trying to tell us that mohammed's allahh was diffrent from his grandfather's allahh? This is a cheap lie for the fools and useful idiots which I refused to be.

RealLordZeus:
Firstly, The name is Muslim not muhammedan, as per your question, in the first ayah, it was stated clearly that there is no Compulsion in religion which holds. The punishments mention in the second verse were not of this world and not to be prescribed by anybody except Allah SWT. I think that Should be clear enough. @lexiconkabir. I am sorry but I cant just miss the opportunity to pass the good message

The explanation is not acceptable because there are numerous hadith and quran that preached and taught aggression against people of non-islamic faith. Most the the peaceful verses like 'there is no compulsion in religion...(quran 2:256)' were revealed in mecca when mohammed had few converts and was always at loggerhead with the mecca pagans.

However the tone of his message changed significantly after his migration to medina where he formed the islamic state with enough military men to fight and defeat the meccans. He also became aggressive against the christians and the Jews who took him for a fake prophet (quran 9:29)

DabELLs:
Does igbos speak arabic That means Jehover is not accepted by igbos too because it is the name of foreign God. I wonder how some people think.

Olarajee was making a false equivalent which I need correct him, especially on the Igbos. Yes, Jehovah is a foreign word to the Igbos just as allahh is also a foreign langauge to the hausas. However, the process of acculturation and religious substitution had made allahh looks like an hausa word (meanwhile it is arabic) and Jehovah looks Igbo to some Igbo people (though it is synonymous to the white caucasians). So the parralel that Olarajee try to draw by attempting to create a false sense of the Igbos being synonymous with islam by saying the 'Igbo muslims call chineke allahh' is disingenious. I am not saying there is no insignicant numbers of Igbos who claim to be muslims (like 0.001% of the population), Olarajee's would have done well to use a culture with a sizeable numbers of muslims to draw a conclusion.

Hope we are on the same page.

authenticmoha:
let me ask a question if u believe that Jesus picture on posters,chaplet is the real face of Jesus christ prove to me and with fact not with long stories.that is why the muslims don't use to use idol or picture to say that this is prophet this and that. If he his not the real one on the posters and chaplet that means u are worshipping IDOL

There is nothing like the picture of Jesus anywhere. It is a form of idolatory to have a fake picture of Jesus in ones house or to have statue of mary in a church or house. It is a form of idolatory which some so-called christians practice. It is against biblical command. True christians do not have a picture of Jesus or statue of mary, it wrong in God's sight.

nnofaith:
As an ex-Muslim atheist this were some of the issues i find troubling, there is also Ubaiydullah ibn Jash who was the first cousin of the prophet, how could they have been named after a pagan allah? also, why should the Kaaba maintan a prominent place in islam? the most reasonable thing ought to be for the Kaaba to be destroyed since it was a pagan monument. the prophet even went round the kaaba in worship (WHILE THE IDOLS WERE STILL IN THE KAABA) after the muslims defeated the makaans in batttle.

This means that Ubaiydullah ibn Jash is surely a contemporary of mohammed and his first name also suggested that he was named in reverance to allahh. If mohammed's family members names always bear the word allahh in them, which among them is the pagan one?

Is it his father name abduallahi, which was devoted to his grandfather's idol (also called allahh) that is pagan or Ubaiydullah, who was a contemporary and a cousin to mohammed, that was named after the true allahh?

The fakery in islam is legendary.

Olarajee:
Muhammad didn't bring the worship of Allaah, it started with the creation of man, Adam then to Abraham down to Moses, Jesus and all the prophets sent in between till the seal of all of them, Muhammad.

Can you show me where Jesus, moses, John and some other prophets (except mohammed) called allahh god? Please your source should not be the quran because we dont believe the lies in the quran.

Olarajee:
The language of Islam is Arabic. God in Arabic is Allaah. But we say Olohun, Chineke, etc depending on the native languages though since these names are already misused, only Allaah is fitting to the most high.

Like I said Allaah means God, the one only God with no partners, nor begotten. He's singular.

I never said mutalib was worshipping the true God (Allaah), if he was what then was the need for a messenger to call them to the worship of the true God?

Do you really know what idols are? If you do then you won't be comparing the idols of Makkah to the worship of a Divine Supreme Being which is not something created like the idols as same as that of Muslims? Maybe Christianity fits that as you have these stature of Mary and her son in your churches which you kneel to worship.

It's Ramadan, I have better things doing. If you have questions pls ask and stop spilling what you do not know. I wouldn't wanna keep explaining when the questioner isn't sincere.

Ramadan does not stop muslims from lying or using kitmanship techniques. As a muslims from an english speaking background, can i also say: 'there is no god but Jehovah and mohammed is his prophet'? You and I know that this can never be acceptable to muslims. That is to tell you that the word 'allahh' is a proper noun different from 'Jehovah'. Both the words Jehovah and allahh have a deep religious value to both the christians and the muslims.

You also magnified allahh above all other names of God which re-enforced my argument that allahh is not equal to 'olorun' or 'chineke' as some muslims will claim. It also prooved that allahh which mohammed's grandfather worshipped and the allahh which mohammed preached is one and the same. If mohammed's grandfather's allahh is a pagan god, why will mohammed's allahh be the true god? From what source did mohammed's grandfather got his knowldege of allahh and from what source does mohammed get his knowlegde of allahh?

Please I need a honest and logical answer that is taqiyya-free.

Olarajee:
The problem you have is comprehending what the word mean. The Arabic bible uses the word Allaah when referring to God. Do you get now?

If you ask any idolater what they are worshipping it's always 'God' (Don't mind that you choose to use the small g for them).

The issue now is how's God supposed to be worship. Even the Christians worship God (Allah) but in what way is He to be worshipped? The way Jesus himself worshipped Him or the clapping and dancing worships prevalent today?

Don't get it confused. Is like asking which God is the Chineke my Igbo brothers worship. Igbo Muslims refers to Allaah as Chineke too, I hope you know?

You're welcome

I am an Igbo and I believe you are not. Chineke is a modern and generic name, which means God creates. It is a statement codified as a single word and have come to be generally acceptable, especially to all Igbo christians, as the name for God. Igbos have their traditional gods such as 'amadioha' (god of thunder), 'alusi' (the great spirit), etc.

I have never heard any Igbo call his god allahh because allahh is not an Igbo god but an arabian god in mecca. As a matter of fact, 99.9% of Igbos hate the word allahh. Ask any ordinary Igbo on the street to comfirm.

Olarajee:
The problem you have is comprehending what the word mean. The Arabic bible uses the word Allaah when referring to God. Do you get now?

If you ask any idolater what they are worshipping it's always 'God' (Don't mind that you choose to use the small g for them).

The issue now is how's God supposed to be worship. Even the Christians worship God (Allah) but in what way is He to be worshipped? The way Jesus himself worshipped Him or the clapping and dancing worships prevalent today?

Don't get it confused. Is like asking which God is the Chineke my Igbo brothers worship. Igbo Muslims refers to Allaah as Chineke too, I hope you know?

You're welcome

I beg to differ Mr muslim spin doctor. Muslims making reference to the bible any time it suits their argument but will call it 'corrupt' anytime it contradicts islam, allahh and mohammed. Thats the height of desperation and hypocrisy!

Please note that indonesia, saudi arabia and iran had violently protested the use of allahh in arabic bible and the reason being that allahh was an exclusive god of muslims, and a proper noun (not a common noun). As truthman had earlier said, the muslim article of faith, the sahada, clearly said and I qoute: there is no god but allahh and mohammed is his messenger. If you are a good student of english you will understand the 'exclusiveness' of the name allahh in islamic religion and theology.

The Jews made it clear that the name of their God is Yahweh (assumed full word of the tetragrammaton YHWH because the word has no vowel) just as the muslim claimed that the name of their God is allahh. Also in the yoruba traditional religion, the names of some of the deities are 'ifa' (god of divination), 'ogun' (god of iron), 'ayelala' (god of thunder) etc. If I remotely accept your false and inconsistent islamic argument, since all meccan and arabians pagans call their god allahh, it can as well be assumed that the yoruba muslims can call their ifa, sango and ayelala 'allahh'. And both of us know it is a pure lie becaue allahh is a proper and exclusive noun to an arabian god just as sango is an exclusive name for one of the yoruba gods.

Mecca, in pre-islamic period, was a centre of pagan worship in the arabian peninsula and allahh was among the 360 different gods that are worshipped there and allahh is the ancestral god of mohammed's tribe. Each arabian tribe have their own god just as the yoruba tribes currently have gods that are peciliar to each of their family ancestroy. Mohammed's grand father is a clear evidence that allahh is their family god, having named his son abdullahhi (meaning the slave of allahh, which perfectly fit into the current islamic theology that all muslims are slaves to allahh).

So your argument that allahh is a common name for all the arabian pagan idols is a lie and has no ground in islamic theology. The islamic sahada had made it plain that allahh is greater that all other gods which confirms the exclusivity of the name to muslims and islamic theology.

So on the final note, my question to you, how can you differentiate the allahh mohammed's grandfather (mutalib) worshipped and served as god from the allahh mohammed introduced as the one and only true god? Question 2: if mohammed's grandfather were to be alive when mohammed became of 'prphet', will mohammed also destroy the 'allahh' his grandfather worshipped?