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QueenSalewa:
Oh don't be obtuse... Saudi Arabia goes over and beyond implementing the sunnah of the prophet and we both know that.

Can you give me instances where saudi arabia acted beyond the sunnah? I am waitin pls.

[quote author=lexiconkabir post=44982474][/quote]Are you calling the quran and the ha-death trash?

Demmzy15:
Salam Alaikum sister, you shouldn't play so nice with this people, they'll just take you for granted! Look at this for example, he made you say you hate Saudi Arabia, soon he'll push you to the wall to despise Muslims in general. Don't toy with this people, may Allaah preserve you sister!

Ekale o!

Nobody makes her to hate saudi arabia. It is a known fact that saudi arabia is largest sponsor of terror worldwide with their wahabi islamic ideology that are exported to pakistan and afghanistan and beyond (who are useful idiots to the saudis, doin their dirty terrorist jobs worldwide).

It is also a known fact that the saudis follow the sunnah of the islamic prophet to the letter, beheading whoever insult mohammed or islam, imprisoning whoever owns a bible, killing and jailin the shia and the ahmadiyyas (as infidels and kafir), killing Jews at sight, setting no age limit for girls before they can marry, ensuring that women are covered in black sack (burqa) like masqurade even under the heat of desert sun, etc,

Come on, nobody is tarnishing the image of saudi arabia, islam is already evil for all non-muslims to see.

Demmzy15:
Your problem is that you flex too much muscle, the lady didn't abuse anyone, she answered all with respect but because you're pained, you wrote up this garbage. A times I think you're a robot because a human being ought to possess sense especially when you claim you're educated, but no, you have nothing upstairs. Better go and join your other brothers in carrying that thing, at least you'll be useful!

Are you saying that all the hadith and the quran I quran are garbage? So you no longer believe the trilogy of the quran, the hadith and the sirah?

Then you must also be 'the first muslim'.

QueenSalewa:
Ah. Yes. Reminder that the areas in the Qur'an which say that these people were the first Muslim are narratives of events that have happened. So, in context, when Mohammed said "I am the first of the muslims" the earlier verse begins with "Say (to the people he was addressing, The Qurayish, who were idolaters)"

"first muslim" is relative.

Abraham was the first submitter among his people.
Moses was the first submitter among his people.
Mohammed was the first submitter among his people.


Technically, the first muslim ever was the first human, Adam.

Your response hear is deceptive and you know it. You tried to cover-up for the inconsistencies in the quran. The quran calling mohammed, adam, moses, abraham 'first muslims' were never relative. The 'relative' coveat you attempt to introduce is your own way of helping allahh and his apostle. Can you please give preceeding verses that says the term 'first muslim' was used in a relative term? You might be a muslim but I might understand islamic theology than you do.

Still on the concept of the 'first muslim', you said the term was applicable to certain people in certain generations, if I get you right. But the quran consistently use the definite article 'the' which shows that we only have one 'first muslim', however that 'first muslim' was erroneously ascribed to different people (perparps the muslims think that we kafir will never read\understand the quran and\or the hadith).

Using your analogy, it can be deduced that we are not inherently born muslims, as muslim apologist always want us believe. And again, abraham parents were not muslims but abraham was the 'first muslim', moses' parents were not muslims but moses was also 'the first muslim'. Jesus' parents were not muslims because Jesus was also 'the first muslim'.

Can you see how silly islamic argument can be?

QueenSalewa:
LOL. Okay. I've heard all those before. Moreover I am aware those things exist. I'm not a Muslim apologist that will sit in denial of them.
P.S. I believe Saudi Arabia is trash.

So what now?

And you think an evil character like mohammed is a perfect guy that you must follow his sunnah? Then you need a paradign shift my sister.

As for saudi arabia, it is an ideal islamic state because they follow the sunnah of the islamic prophet to the letter, or are you telling me that the sunnah of mohammed is a trash?

I wanna learn from you.

QueenSalewa:
Hello, I am a Muslim.

Firstly, you need to understand what is meant by the word "Muslim" as used in the Qur'an..
In the Qur'an "Muslim" is often used as a title for "submitter", rather than what it has come to mean today e.g. "follower of the organised religion of Islam".

I'm not sure which Muslim has claimed that Ishmael was the first Muslim. The Qur'an alludes to Abraham as the first Muslim and calls upon mankind to follow the path of Abraham.

Quran 3:95
"Say:God has spoken the truth: follow, then, the creed of Abraham, who turned away from all that is false, and was not of those who ascribe divinity to aught beside God."


and

Qur'an 3:67

"Abraham in truth was not a Jew, neither yet a Christian; but he was a muslim and one pure of faith"

Hope that helped.

I like your name but you are ALMOST ignorant about islam and its promotion of extreme misogyny, especially in a conservative muslim nation like iran and saudi arabia. Woman in islam are treated as third class human beings.

Quran endorses the beating of women (quran 4:34).

allahh approve temporary marriage in islam, what is known as nikah mutua (quran 5:87, sahih bhukari 7:62:13). If you dont understand the relationship between the quranic verse i have you and the hadith i provided, read through the tafsir of ibn kathir for a clue. Nikah mutua is advanced prostitution ordained by allahh and was never abrogated.

allahh approved of raping captive women by muslim soldiers, mohammed inclusive (quran 4:24, sunan abu dawud 2150 ahmed hassan translation vol 2, page 577 and sahih muslim 3432). These women were raped by mohammed and his sahabas, even in the presence of their husbands. Deuteronomy 22:25 completely condemn this evil by mohammed.

Mohammed also approve child marriage in quran 65:4. Mohammed, led by example, by engaging aisha when she was 6 (mohammed was 51) and starting having sex with her when she became 9.

These are few example which prooved that mohammed and islam hate women and it is very shocking that a woman, worst victims of islam, will even have the gut to defense this criminal prophet that called himself mohammed.

Read up the islamic references I gave and come and testify the evils of mohammed (hiss be upon him).

annunaki2:
The sooner you get it into your head that the quoran is not from God but it's just a collection of sayings concocted by mohamed and attributed to God to deceive his followers into believing he is a prophet of God. A close and objective study of the quoran will tell you it's full of errors, contradictions, inconsistencies and outright lies with zero beneficial value to mankind. The quoran is all the evidence you need to know that both islam and mohamed are frauds.

Kudos, u never disappoint.

truthman2012:
A Christian in deed.

This is second Barack Obama, a muslim claiming christian. Why do muslims like making fool of themselves?

Buharism:
That is between him and God, because i was not there when he got his revelations. Judgement is for God on the last day.

In other words you are not sure if mohammed was a prophet or not, but you are sure that Jesus is the 'son of God'. Thats a good one from you.

Buharism:
he is, and will always be the son of God

Do you take mohammed as a prophet of God?

Buharism:
hypocrisy, when u attack others, and run when u are attacked just like bokoharam does.
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Dont you have imams in ur neighbourhood

My fellow christian, do you believe Jesus is the son of God?

The hadith fabrication industry is the easiest escape route for muslims whenever any hadith exposes the evil and criminal tendencies of mohammed. Muslims take mohammed to be a perfect man and an embodiment of holiness, even without reading the quran and\or the hadith to know more about him.

So anytime an hadith exposes the negetive side of mohammed the only tenable defence is that 'the hadith is fake or fabricated'. However all these alleged 'fake' hadith are all in muslim libraries worldwide, including saudi arabia and Iran. I am still waiting for muslims to tell me that some evil quranic verses are also fabricated to tarnish the image of islam and mohammed.

What muslims do not understand is that we kafirs are studying the quran and the hadith more and more, so as to expose islam and its old dirty tricks. With the internet and the advance info systems, I wonder how islamic lies can continue unchallenged.

Buharism:
You seem to be Judging from particular to general. Not every muslem is violent, atleast am a witness
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Do u knw that if the muslim (1.2 billion) are to pick up weapons and fight the world the way u said that jihad is a virtue, do u think u will be alive.
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Will it be good to judge the christians/CHRISTIANITY by the activities of the following CHRISTIAN TERRORIST GROUP since the read and also cite the bible as their source of motivation:
1. Army of God
2. National Liberation Front
of Tripura
3. Hutaree group
4. The KKK.
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Am a christian bt nt a religeous bigot, No religion is violent. I believe that people hide behind religion to justify their violent behaviours.

Not every muslim is violent but mohammed was a violent man. He even boasted about it: I HAVE BEEN MADE VICTORIOUS THROUGH TERROR (sahih bhukari 4:52, 220).

[quote author=Demmzy15 post=44577860][/quote]You seem to be brain-dead, no offense, just an obervation. You just open a thread you cannot logically defend.

Stop eating up NL bandwidth if you have no reasonable contribution to make in any thread you create.

Demmzy15:
I'm not talking to him but you! It's me and you not the dog true2god!

No wonder your criminal prophet called the Jew and the christians 'the wors of creations' (quran 98:6) because the hate the truth and knew fully well that his falsehood cannot fly among them.

The islamic snakes will soon meet their waterloo. The sooners you leave this arab death-cult, the better. The sane world is sick and tired of the activities of these snakes that had been around for over 1400 years, casting terrors from place to place (sahih bhukari 4:52, 220).

Demmzy15:
Is that you're crazy or what?! Didn't you see the opening of the thread, why is that you guys are cowards like this?!

Islamic snake, do you still call the hausas land grabbers and the migrant fulanis land owners?

Annunaki:
Thanks so much for this, very Succint and a real TKO. You real took the pathological liar to the cleaners. Only islamic thinking can call original land owners land grabbers. I don't blame the dunce sha after all his criminal prophet after getting high on asheez claimed that allahh created the whole world for him.

Thats why no reasonable people allow islamic snakes gain a foot-hold in their countries. I wont be surprised if future generation of europeans are called 'land grabbers' by future generation of arab-muslims. Arab\muslims are seeking asylum in europe today but will seek take-over of europe tomorrow, this is called 'jihad by hijrah' and the foolish europeans are showing sympathy to a frozen snake.

A snake remains a snake, no matter how beautiful its skin colour looks. It will surely bite you no matter how much you provide and care for it, that is how providence made a snake to function.

The same thing applies to muslims, they will always hate and betray the kufar, no matter how the kufar loves and provide for them. The indians love the muslims, what did they gain in return? The partitioning of india into india, bangladesh, and pakistan?
The hausas love the fulanis, what did the get in return? The overthrow of the hausas by the fulani muslims and the establishemnt of the sokoto caliphate.

The yorubas love the muslims, what did they get in return? That occupation and overthrow of ilorin and the establishment of the islamic emirate in a majority yoruba land where the muslim settlers now rule the yoruba indigene and replace yoruba culture with an arabian culture.

The european under-estimated the islamic threat and what did they get? The over-throw of christian turkey by muslim invaders. It takes a great pain and war for spain to expel muslims from their countries. It is not easy to reclaim your land, identity and culture once the arab-muslims conquer the place.

Europe allowing mass muslim migration into their countries is like allowin mass hungry and half dead snakes into your compound. They will bite as soon as they are feed and active again. It is a natural law of islam.

Demmzy15:
The Sheikh's followers armed themselves because of things like this: harsh system of conscription(I hope you know what this means), illegal taxation, forceful land grabs by the Hausa Rulers, discriminating policies. The man who banned his followers was Nafatu not Yunfa, it was Uthman himself that helped Yunfa to become the kings



One of Sheikh Uthman's former student known as Yunfa became the king of Gobir. Dan Fodio then began preaching against all unislamic practices, as people began accepting, Yunfa saw that it didn't favor him so he decided to kill his teacher, Uthman.

He invited the Sheikh and he tried killing him with a pistol which then backfired and injured him on the hand. Yunfa subsequently forced the Sheikh and his followers from their hometown in Degel. Yunfa didn't stop there, he then encouraged all other Hausa States to Unite and wage war against Uthman Dan Fodio, the Sheikh had to defend himself so he made an alliance with some Fulani tribes who then helped him!

When the Sheikh was forced to leave, Yunfa pursued him and killed over 1500 of his followers in the battle of Tsuntua. [size=15pt]Now compare this to how Christianity came to Nigeria?! [/size]

This statement (lies from an altaqiyya infested muslim) caught my attention:

'forceful land grabs by the Hausa Rulers...'

This statement shows you lack credibility, morality and human conscience, which resonate majorly among the arab-muslims, fulani-muslims and the tuaregs. I am sorry to tell you this, yoruba muslims are fake hence occupy the lowest point in the global islamic power pyramids.

All over west african, it had been established that the fulanis are normads, moving from place to place with their herd of cattle. The fulanis do not respect natural boundaries, they can enter any town\community with their cattle, destroy farmlands and declare terrorism whenever they are challenge. In all part of migeria, from ilorin to sokoto, they are settlers and not indigenes.

You called the hausas land grabbers, then I must also call the yorubas in kwara land grabbers, the yorubas in oyo land grabbers, the tivs in benue land grabbers, the langtang in plateau land grabbers, and all the ethnic groups who try to protect their land from the islamic fulani invaders land grabbers. Have you seen how islam have betrayed your sense of reasoning?

It is an insult for you to call the hausas, the original landowners, land grabbers while exonorating the islamic jihadism of usman dan fodio who was determined to conquer the entire country for allahh had it not been that the european power established their foot-hold in nigeria on time thus ended his crazy imperial drive towards the south.

As your prophet criminally said: I HAVE BEEN MADE VICTORIOUS THROGH TERROR (sahih bhukari 4:52, 220). So uthman dan fodio was only following the play-book and the sunnah of the criminal prophet mohammed. There is nothing uthman dan fodio did then that is different from what boko-haram is doing today. The only difference is the time. If shekau had been successful, your history book would have written that the hausas are 'land grabbers' and oppressors of muslims hence shekau fought against them.

Demmzy15:
The op is clear enough, stop making noise!

You have not made any contribution yet.

truthman2012:
Muslims are speechless in the face of the truth.

It is difficult to defend the indefensible. No muslim can give a rational explanation to the fact that their own prophet used and advised terrorism as a means of spreading islam. Is is right in the quran and the ha-death as showm below:

Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror, and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand." Abu Huraira added: Allah's Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures. ( Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220 )

Abu Huraira reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: I have been given superiority over the other prophets in six respects: I have been given words which are concise but comprehensive in meaning; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies): spoils have been made lawful to me: the earth has been made for me clean and a place of worship; I have been sent to all mankind and the line of prophets is closed with me. (Sahih Muslim, Book 004, Number 1062 , 1063, 1066, 1067)

The Qur'an declares: Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers! (quran 3:151)

Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." This because they contended against Allah and His Messenger: If any contend against Allah and His Messenger, Allah is strict in punishment. (quran 8:12-13)

Let not the unbelievers think that they can get the better (of the godly): they will never frustrate (them). Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly. (quran 8:59-60)

And Allah turned back the Unbelievers for (all) their fury: no advantage did they gain; and enough is Allah for the believers in their fight. And Allah is full of Strength, able to enforce His Will. And those of the People of the Book who aided them - Allah did take them down from their strongholds and cast terror into their hearts. (So that) some ye slew, and some ye made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, and of a land which ye had not frequented (before). And Allah has power over all things. (quran 33:25-27)

It is He Who got out the Unbelievers among the People of the Book from their homes at the first gathering (of the forces). Little did ye think that they would get out: And they thought that their fortresses would defend them from Allah! But the (Wrath of) Allah came to them from quarters from which they little expected (it), and cast terror into their hearts, so that they destroyed their dwellings by their own hands and the hands of the Believers, take warning, then, O ye with eyes (to see)! (quran 59:2).

Islam is all about terrorism and terrorism is all about islam. Arab-Muslims are only 'peaceful' where they are minority, as their population increases so their islamic terrorism increases. I use 'arab-muslims' because they are the pure muslims who perfectly understand the sunnah of the criminal islamic prophet. All other muslims are only useful idiotts who assist the arabs in their global imperial drive.

The group of people that one must never trust are the arabs, the tuaregs and the fulanis. These are the group of people who are globally fearless in spreading islamic terrors and religions in west africa and acros the world.

While terrorism is an islamic guerilla tactics of 'casting fear' in the heart of the non-muslims, jihad is all out islamic war against the infidels. Muslims cannot do jihad in this modern world where infidels can easily crush them within a day or two, but terrorism can be very active against non-muslims who choose to submit to islamic terror.

Demmzy15 where are you?

Rilwayne001:
interesting.. Heheheh

Riliwan use your brain, you are smarter than mohammed, the 7th century arabian criminal.

Rilwayne001:
Oh my God

Oh your allahh. As truthman rightly said, your allahh is a fake and a confusionist god who says 'A' in the morning and says 'B' in the afternoon and say 'C' at night. No consistency, why? This is because mohammed=allahh and allahh=mohammed. Whatever mohammed wants to do, he just enter his room and come out and say 'allahh has given me another revelation'. Unfortunately his stupid sahabas fell for this crap.

When will muslims start seeing that mohammed was a fraud, a con-man and a criminal that ever lived on the face of the earth?

carinmom:
Salam my brother, i was very busy i couldn't reply your mention

I must say that this topic is an interesting and informative one provided that one reads it with an open mind free of bigotry and prejudice.

But i'm sure you won't have it smooth with these bigots because they are not smiling, their minds are blocked and can't recognise the truth even if its staring them in the face.

Its even easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for many of them to believe.

Jazakallah khayran ya akhi, may Allah SWT increase your taqwa and wisdom.

You didnt contribute nothing but only patted you co-religionist at the back for writing conspiracies without evidence, prrove or logic. Make a reasonable input bro, dont be lazy.

All what kabiru wrote had been debunked as islamic usual lies. Did you bother reading the rebuttals at all?

Annunaki:
Another nauseating thing about this thread is the word 'liberation' used in the topic. Liberation from who or what The choice of that word also betrays the conceit, arrogance and dishonesty of muslims or how else do you go and conquer a town then turn around to claim you went to liberate them?

Arabs\muslims have a magical way of thinking that is beyond normal human comprehension. How can you go to a town kill their fathers, brothers and uncle and at the same time rape their sisters and mother and tell say you come to liberate the town and turn to to allahh.

This is exactly the partern mohammed was using after he left mecca for medina, fighting, looting and taking sex slaves. The loot is what the quran called 'spoil of war' and the women raped by mohammed armies are 'whom his right hand possesed' and all these evil are sanctioned by allahh and hailed by true muslims are heroic deeds of the criminal prophet mohammed.

Mohammed said he was made victorious through terror. How can a 'saint' be made victorius through terror? I am sorry, I still dont understand how a sane human being can call mohammed a prophet, let alone a saint. It is beyond logic.

Islam is all about terror. Your terrorist and criminal 'prophet' mohammed even confirmed that, both in the quran and in the ha-death. See below for your perusal:

Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror, and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand." Abu Huraira added: Allah's Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures. ( Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220 )

Abu Huraira reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: I have been given superiority over the other prophets in six respects: I have been given words which are concise but comprehensive in meaning; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies): spoils have been made lawful to me: the earth has been made for me clean and a place of worship; I have been sent to all mankind and the line of prophets is closed with me. (Sahih Muslim, Book 004, Number 1062 , 1063, 1066, 1067)

The Qur'an declares: Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers! (quran 3:151)

Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." This because they contended against Allah and His Messenger: If any contend against Allah and His Messenger, Allah is strict in punishment. (quran 8:12-13)

Let not the unbelievers think that they can get the better (of the godly): they will never frustrate (them). Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly. (quran 8:59-60)

And Allah turned back the Unbelievers for (all) their fury: no advantage did they gain; and enough is Allah for the believers in their fight. And Allah is full of Strength, able to enforce His Will. And those of the People of the Book who aided them - Allah did take them down from their strongholds and cast terror into their hearts. (So that) some ye slew, and some ye made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, and of a land which ye had not frequented (before). And Allah has power over all things. (quran 33:25-27)

It is He Who got out the Unbelievers among the People of the Book from their homes at the first gathering (of the forces). Little did ye think that they would get out: And they thought that their fortresses would defend them from Allah! But the (Wrath of) Allah came to them from quarters from which they little expected (it), and cast terror into their hearts, so that they destroyed their dwellings by their own hands and the hands of the Believers, take warning, then, O ye with eyes (to see)! (quran 59:2)

lexiconkabir:
i knew you were up to something when you started asking the girl questions, you be badt guy

No, he is just a true muslim.

Demmzy15:
Nope, they're called transgenders. No one calls them "tranny" because it's a slang, people who do this are constant with pornography. So in essence, you watch porn?!

You argue like a kid. Someone explain a common term used for transgender (especially in the US) and she is now a consumer of pornography, how does islamic brain works? Still thinking.

@ lexiconkabir, I really appreciate your effort in ensuring that mohammed got a recognition in the bible, but I am sorry to disappoint you, prophethood is for the Jews (who the arabs\muslims hate). All the posters above debunked all your islamic lies being propagated in your mosques and madrassas (to make muslims feel good and relaxed in islamic lies).

You quoted: Behold, the Lord came with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. (Jude 1:14-15)".

The above verse is talking about the saints of God and not criminals like mohammed and his sahabas who went about raiding caravan and collecting their wives and properties, as war booty. The war booty which mohammed was entitled to 20%.

The verse is not talking about mohammed, and his fellow criminals, who make a living oppressing non-muslims and collecting jizya from them (quran 9:29).

Mohammed said in his own words: I HAVE BEEN MADE VICTORIOUS THROUGH TERROR.

Please stop looking for mohammed in a place where he does not belong (bible). The quran and the hadith had told us all what we need know about him.

Medicis:
of course, the quran lied about his nature. When u tremble in the presence of Biblical Angels, they always tell u to "FEAR NOT". But tremble in the presence of Angel Jubril(quran) he'll assault u like a common criminal like he did to mohammed in the cave.

It is obvious that the biblical angel Gabriel is not the same quranic jubreel. If they are 2 different angels, the jubreel that mohammed met in a cave must be a demon.

Oyin93:
don't wanna say dis but I will.Let God be d judge of dat...Ur thinking seems shallow

You are making no point dear. Was it the same angel Gabriel who spoke in the bible spoke to mohammed? This is a very simple question. Who lied concerning the nature and character of angel Gabriel, the bible or the quran\hadith?