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FireTheSun:
I think you meant well, so l will respond to your Post.

There is a reason they write "Caveat Emptor" (Buyers Beware) on a Wall, but dont attach anybody's name to it. We might ask: Why dont they name the Person they think wants to sell the House? Why make a "general Notice without naming anyone (This might not be a perfect example though)
But it still works because it puts everyone on "General Notice/Awareness".
It is now left for an intended Buyer to do more due diligence, to find out the rightful owner and verify any claim that is made..

It may appear contradictory to some that l mentioned the issue, (though it was just an "aside-remarks" in relation to the beautiful Installation done by @Chris ), but l did not mention the Name of the Installer, it has reasons.

Most People think the whole idea behind making a REVIEW, is to DESTROY a Business or a Product, the inherent reason of making a Review, in my own understanding, is to make the Seller/Producer/Product BETTER.
How you achieve this is to let the Seller/Producer/Product Owner know that "there is a possibility for damage to his/her Brand, if he/she does not IMPROVE their 'Game'.

I am too matured to want to destroy the Business of a younger person, despite the damage it caused me but l want him to know, openly here that it wont be "Business as usual" and he has to either IMPROVE or STOP Installing Panels.
Just that, l have achieved my own set objective.

But from your Statement, you asked: How will that Help others not to fall Victim?
Good Question!
Three ways:
1) The Installer in Question is reading this and he knows that he is just a Click-away from being Unmasked!
If you were him, will you repeat the same awful job or you will step up your game and start doing good jobs? My own conclusion is that he will IMPROVE, which is my desire, not to damage his Brand or Business beyond repair.
That is left for very Vindictive people like the rude, uncouth boy running his mouth all over the place. Always trying to damage others, he tried to damage @Valto at a point. He tried to rundown @Niyi's Installation at a point, insulting both of them.

2) Any genuine Client who wants to engage an Installer, has the liberty to contact me and ask PRIVATELY, that l let him know if the Person he wants to engage, is the Installer who damaged my Roof. That way, l do not damage the Brand of the 'wayward' installer but l could alert the Client on another Installer or ask him to supervise this my installer properly.
That way, any Client will still have achieved the same Objective they want to achieve, if the Installer was named.

3) A Client, having read the "Buyers Beware" Post l made earlier, has the duty to ask any Installer he wants to engage, to PROVIDE "REFERENCE" from owners of former Jobs done i.e. give me the Phone number of one or Two Clients you've Installed for, let me speak with them.
The advantage in this, is two fold:
(a) He wont be able to do so, if he has damaged his reputation or did a bad job.
(b) He probably would, if he values his Brand, ensure that he does not leave "a bad taste in the Mouth" of other Customers and this is where the "desired improvement" on the part of the installer, comes in.

The Installer that did my Job is reading this, he knows he did wrong but l wont Name him just "so l can damage him", ....... because l am not just that type of Person.
My aim is not to "destroy" but "to build", to make others better, to improve others, to be constructive in my criticism and l am doing it as l deemed it most fit.

I wont let any manner-less, untrained runt from the gutter goad me into doing what l believe is "not the best" of actions.
I am past that stage in Life!
It is left for anyone who thinks the post is useful to him, to read it, otherwise he can skip it
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Go through the posts of this @truthbetold22 guy and you would see that he has INSULTED almost everybody on this thread, (from page 679 - 681 are all his Insults on members), from Mctfopt, Ceasser, Valto, Niyi, bigrovar, solasola, durodee, Barezzi, etc and same thing on other threads.
Everyone who does not do things his way, is Stupid, is an Idiot, is a Fool, bla, bla, bla!
His default position is to use foul language on others and it is a reflection of his Upbringing.

Go through his Post, it is jus about abusing People, no sense, no value, no contribution but all Insults.
You cant give what you dont have. Its like putting a Pig, in a China Shop! A Child raised in the Gutter, even if you put him on a well-laid Bed, he will roll around, fall down and roll into the Gutter where he belongs.

This is a faceless forum but a few People here have had "contact with me offline", including the Installer who did my Roof and they would testify that l am not the kind of person that empty empty brain expect me to be.

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FireTheSun:
I am not sure you have a father at home otherwise you wont be insulting me or maybe you are used to telling him to shut-up?
This is what bad upbringing causes, your issues are obviously deeper than l thought!

I dont owe your type, any explanation.
You can rant all day, l wont even dignify your type with a conversation.
Just booze-off my mentions and go see a shrink-head.

And it is buzz off, not booze, Dullard..

FireTheSun:
I am not sure you have a father at home otherwise you wont be insulting me or maybe you are used to telling him to shut-up?
This is what bad upbringing causes, your issues are obviously deeper than l thought!

I dont owe your type, any explanation.
You can rant all day, l wont even dignify your type with a conversation.
Just booze-off my mentions and go see a shrink-head.

Internet Father, in your mind, you are old enough to be someone's father. The internet keeps making morons pompous. Since you don't owe me any explanation, we also have no use for your unsolicited reviews. It is fools like you that has kept Nigeria where it is. You want to buy a foreign product, you go read reviews. You want to buy a Nigerian product, nobody wants to say anything bad about anyone. Now, your roof is 2 million naira for just one side. How much did you roof your house again? 6 million naira? Liar. Are you scared the installer will give you a slap over the internet?

Again, if you cannot name who did a bad job, crawl back into your hole and hide. If you are truly a father, your kids must be ashamed of their cowardly father!!

FireTheSun:
I wont respond to your Rudeness and Uncouth Childishness.
Obviously, you have a huge comprehension problem because No where in my Post, did l mention the Name of who did a Good Job, nor who did a bad Job.

Shut up sir. If you could give a review about a bad job, then you should mention the name. If you choose not to mention the name of the installer, then it means you are either a coward or nothing of such ever happened and you are just trying to hype or promote an installers job.

Nonetheless, you have not helped anyone with your useless, half-complete review. It is you who has comprehension problems because if you realize that this is a public forum, you would not make baseless accusations without clearly identifying who you are referring to.

COWARD!!

FireTheSun:
Waoh!
Nice, Professional job you have done up there! I envy this install, just looking at it right now.

Unlike what an Installer on this thread, did to my Roof when l asked that he install just Ten Units of Panels on my Roof.
This installer and his Team so damaged my Roof that at the end of the day, l am considering buying NEW Aluminum Steptiles Roofing Sheet to cover the whole area those Panels were installed.

My Roof has never leaked since about Six years l built this particular Storey building, l live in this one so l know it has never experience a leakage but after the installation, it has been multiple leakages here and there.
The Team of Installers just use their feet to crush the Aluminium Roofing Sheets, causing big depressions everywhere.
I have had Roofers try to plug the leakages created but getting the Depressions to "push back up and normalize" is a daunting task, as the damage was just too extensive.
I have concluded l have to replace all those areas where the Panels are located, and their surrounding Sheets as well.
Imagine incurring a damage of over #2M, in the course of a job of less than #100,000?

It is a lesson to me, to always check the previous work of an installer, seek reference from previous Clients, before giving out a job
Hobbyist or Sellers should stop claiming to be Professional Installers.

BTW: I have since added Five more Panels (655W each), to the other Side of the Building's Roof, done by another Installer and without any issue from that side.

So you can name the installer who did a good job but you prefer that Nairalanders fall prey to the installer who ruined your roof so we can incur the same damages of 2 million like you?

There is a reason why people give reviews. If you cannot name the installer who did a bad job, then keep shut. This has happened one too many times on this thread. What are you protecting?

Nigerians are hypocrites.

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mctfopt:
₦30,000 each ...my friend sold some last week at that price.

Thank you

Valto:
yes, whatsapp me

Can’t find a number to reach you at. Is there a reason why the number cannot be shared here?

Valto:
buy original 360w real capacity mono solar panel from yingli office in ikeja or alaba. it is less than 75k. 280w is around 57k. their panels are real capacity.

Do you please have a phone number for a contact person at yingli ikeja?

ayando:
Merry Christmas everyone.

May we long forever more because of Xmas day.

Don’t you have a phone number where u can be reached for elevator pricing?

darediamond:
Sarcastic response will pave way and egg on ignorance alone.

Be ready to learn.

Answer my simple question: "what is RESONANCE?"

I am into Power Generation not mere application because without Electric Power, No Show.

Who is this slowpoke? Have you not read enough on this thread to know that people here know their onion? Even a layman knows most of your advise is wrong. This thread has been on for years, go back and read through. Everything you are blabbing on has been addressed previously.

Sorry but you don’t belong on this thread. Too much ignorance�‍♂️�‍♂️

zeestone99:
As at 2019 meritsun 10kwh cost over 2500 usd

Please go on Alibaba.com, do a search, write meritsun directly and you will get a much better price.

EPOMA:
My friend , this is out of place , why talk like this . Valto is doing thing and you just went after him . Not nice at all . very bad

He attacked me first sir. I was trying to be polite and he went all offensive.

Valto:
false! a cbm of battery goods is currently between 420k to 500k. go ask shippers now.
again u are misyarning, no sane person will use 32pcs 100ah cells to build a 200ah 48v battery bank when 200ah cell are readily available and a little cheaper. my 100ah cells is 36k, not 38k. if u have good reasoning, u should have known, that the bigger the capacity of cells, the lesser the price, thats why 100ah is 40$, 200ah 70$ while 302ah is 105$

until u import your meritsun and it lands naija, landing cost calculated, true capacity of the cell inside ascertained. then we can talk.

my 100ah and 105ah cells is not targetted for 48 system clients. until u become a merisun distributor and market yours for under 1million, then i will take u serious. cheers

If you knew the brand meritsun, you would not be spewing garbage about capacity. You think meritsun is on the same level with your So called grade A cells?

Valto:
false! a cbm of battery goods is currently between 420k to 500k. go ask shippers now.
again u are misyarning, no sane person will use 32pcs 100ah cells to build a 200ah 48v battery bank when 200ah cell are readily available and a little cheaper. u might need glasses, because my 100ah cells is 36k, not 38k. if u have good reasoning, u should have known, that the bigger the capacity of cells, the lesser the price, thats why 100ah is 40$, 200ah 70$ while 302ah is 105$

until u import your meritsun and it lands naija, landing cost calculated, true capacity of the cell inside ascertained. then we can talk.

my cells not targetted for 48 system. simply carry your L and move bro. until u become a merisun distributor and market yours for under 1million, then we know u are serious. cheers

Shut your stupid mouth. The lithium batteries I currently use, i imported myself from china. I am trying to be cultured wit u but u want me to go all out. Stupid Nigerians who think they have to make 50% profit on imported goods. Where did you import a cbm of battery goods for 500k? I import for a living. If you want proper contacts, you ask instead of spewing stupidity. How much is an entire container of batteries that a cbm is 500k?

Wether 24v or 48v, your batteries are ridiculously priced and u are no better than the alaba dealers that you curse here everyday. At 24v, that is still over 600k for a 24v 200ah bank without balancing and a proper bms. Because u have joined a group to import a few pieces of batteries now, you have suddenly become an expert on battery goods. You want to place all your life problems on this few pieces of batteries you want to sell.

Simply ask for contacts so i show u how it is done.

slowpoke!!

Valto:
like i said lifepo4 lithium is not for everyone. moreover i never advertised any 200ah cells, so where is this outburst coming from . if e easy, import your so called meritsun for 1500$ x590=885,000, then ship it(note lithium is shipped as dangerous goods, hence more than double the normal shipping fee) u pay outrageous shipping fees + a 4months wait, then as mr do good, sell it for 900k. cheers

Lithium batteries are not shipped via air. A cbm shipment via ocean freight isn’t more than 100k. One meritsun battery is less than 1/5th of a cbm so go figure. 1.2 Million is what it would cost if you consider that you need 32 pieces of your 3.2v 100ah to make a 200ah bank. Multiply by 38k which you are asking and you already have over 1.2 million.

That is a ridiculous price for what you are offering without a bms. Do not forget that meritsun comes with a BMS and already top balanced and a ready made case.

Sorry sir, no offense intended but this is greed. I I will show anyone who wants to import meritsun how to get it done. Say no to exploitation.

Valto:
note: no:1, my cells are brand new grade A, not used/refurbished/salvaged.
no:2, lifepo4 lithium is not for everyone, u can always step in when u are ready.
no:3, real capacity lifepo4 lithium packs are not cheap, most of the ones in Nigerian market are not up to declared capacity and some are used cells.

Is that why a 48v 200ah bank(10kw) should cost 1.2 million Naira? Meritsun 48v 200ah cost $1500 or 850k on alibaba. Is your battery better than meritsun?

Greedy Nigerians!

papalasun:
This is to inform all clients with battery, liquid creams, and Bluetooth items that we are having a challenge with airlift.
Most of the goods that left China last month for HK en route to Nigeria are still very much in Hk till this very moment due to lack of airlift
We hope this event will be sorted out soon


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How about those people whose goods do not fall into this category?

@georged1,

I think your attempt to prove that lead acid trumps lithium is bais at best. Lithium technology has come a long way and beats lead acid in every department. Everyone keeps referring to your previous LA bank but that bank has a lot of untold stories. For one, I remember you had 800ah of battery capacity. You also had over 40kw of solar panels if I am not mistaking. You have also mentioned that you rarely cycle more than 30% daily. At 30% dod, most good LA batteries will easily do what the Zeniths did. It wasn't special. What you must note is that to get away with such low dod, you need to have a really large bank which you did and a large array too. For the average enthusiast, that is an impossibility as the initial outlay would be outrageous. You only got that longevity due to your use of the battery. If you look at the cycle life graphs of lead acids, you would find that there is a significant difference between discharging to 70% vs discharging to 50%. Are you now saying we should all get 800ah banks and 40kw panel capacity to be able to enjoy longevity with our batteries?

I ll summarize as follows

1- Firstly, even the second class lithium batteries advertise 3000 cycles at 80% dod with a 2 year warranty. That is something only the very best lead acid batteries can dream of. That is almost 10 years of battery usage if you do a cycle a day. Regular lead acids cap out in a couple of years at 50% DOD if you are lucky. Don't tell me, I have gone through a few banks.

2- Considering how bad our weather can be in the southern part of Nigeria coupled with struggling to get 3-4 hours of sunshine daily, it is a no brainer to use lithium which can charge at 1c should need be and get your battery to full capacity as quickly as possible especially in the raining season unlike with a lead acid battery that takes forever to charge at 0.1c and then has to do all the absorption thing. This is very important for people who rarely have grid electricity and/or have a small bank.

3- Lithium chemistry is way more efficient than lead acid and looses less energy to the storage and discharge process which means you have access to more energy per ah.

4- As a result of 4 above, you can power heavy appliances off relatively small banks. Something that would only be a dream with lead acid.

That you haven't embraced lithium doesn't make your lead acid bank better. The world is evolving and if you choose to remain with old technology, you may have your reasons. However, do not try to prove on a public forum that lithium is all hype. There are more than 15 active members on this thread who have made the switch to lithium and not 1 has anything negative to say about it 1 year down the line so what is your point exactly? People got burnt with lead acid for many years until the best brands were identified. Heck, people are still getting burnt even today so why assume lithium will burn you?

There is a reason phones and laptops use lithium and 10 years after, the batteries still work. Stick with your lead acid if you want but your arguments are obsolete.
Lead acid can never be better than lithium. Initial outlay, yes. Satisfaction over time, a BIG no. It is no longer a function of whatever works for you. Even though it works for you, you should be gracious enough to accept that there is something better out there. That I drive a Toyota Corolla and it works perfectly for me doesn't make the car better than a Lamborghini.

@niyi,

It would be lame for anyone to assume that diy lithiums would beat pylons in longevity. That would be wrong comparison. For 1, the fact that advertised cycle life for pylons is 6000 already says a lot. Price is another thing. The point however that you need to note is that if I buy grade b lithium for 1.5 million naira and you buy pylons of same capacity for 5 million naira, if my bank lasts 5 years and pylons last 10 years, I still got way better value for money than you did. I can afford to swap out after 5 years and still have great change. So it really shouldn't be about which battery would last longer, it should be about actual value for money or price per kw.

Thank you all.

hmmmmm.

it has taken me 2 hours to read through all the insults and issues regarding sooperrescue and the oil guy and this is my take on the matter.

1- sooperrescue, you seem to be a prominent nairalander with a cult following on range rovers. For this alone, I am dissapointed that you would allow dis degenerate to this level. You hav way more 2 loose than the oilguy. Just know that your customers are watching wether you like it or not.

2- no matter what you say, it is very clear that you are either helpishere or you are closely related to him. If you have a money problem with the seller and all of a sudden, someone related to you starts attacking the seller's product, it is clear to all diserning eyes that you have something to do with it and it is a personal vendetta. So wether u worked with helpishere 10 years ago or last month as u claim, you sure know him so u know what is going on.

3- u owe the seller, you cannot owe someone and try to discredit his product, a product you have been buying for the last one year and expect him not to be mad at you. truth has to be told here and I am not sure why other nairalanders like gazzuzz, diportivo, legalwealth, dannybrasky and co have not waded into the matter to correct your errors.

4- That you are importing or selling motor oils does not mean you have to be an engineer or a genius on oils. Constantly talking about specs is boring. The average nigerian just wants to know if it is original mobil and if it is 0w20 or 5w30 as stated by car manufacturer.

5- There are people on nairaland selling cheaper than the oil guy as pointed out in one of your posts, they are importers too. It is a buyers market and supply and demand affects prices.

6- The oil guy, I advise you to seek redress outside here rather than continuing to engage and insult. It is business gone wrong which happens from time to time.

Finally, sooper rescue sir, this has gone on too long and is damaging your brand, take this off nairaland as another poster opined above. u ar 2 respected for this.

Trippledots:
Smh.... Inverter mode on TV is just an option bro, there is a reason it has its normal mode and wasn't made solely on inverter mode.

You actually are beginning to sound like you have a "suffer suffer" mentality oh....na wa sha.

Fool, your tv brightness only reduces a little and u save energy... What point are you trying to make exactly because you lost me here.. that you won’t enjoy ur tv on energy saving mode? Na wah o. Shey I don’t use solar in my house?

The whole world is crying save the planet, use less energy, African man says use as much as you can just like with everything else.

Ignorant people..

[quote author=Trippledots post=87020668]Maybe you missed where he said he has some lithium installs under his belt, and will like to have real world experience of whatever service he offers to his clients?.... Idk, I'm just saying.

I don't think he is "showing off" as your post seems to imply. Anyone not suffering with some inferiority complex shouldn't be bothered about how many gigawatts of PV another person installs or generates.... I have approximately two 300w pv modules, a 180w battery, a fangpusun MPPT 50/12v and a converted 750w UPS I have been using for a year plus now (and i observe the 50% DoD rule btw). It serves me just right, for now and i am happy reading about other people's huge installs and never questioned why someone else spends top dollar for his installation. Especially if he willingly shares his knowledge here_I have been an addict of this thread for years now so i know my setup is "microlly micro". Lol

In your criticisms, your choice of words show jealousy or recklessness of speech. You can do better bro.

Peace [/quote

efuro:
Oga truthbetold22 I get your gist as it relates to optimizing ones’ energy need vis-à-vis generation to make an economic sense. I also know you do not intend image harm to Comrade Niyi. However, you seems to MISS one important fact and that is the fact that many of us here (at least for better half of a decade) are solar hobbyist or Solar DIY addict.
To me, I can tell you straightaway that the points you are weighing or canversing do not apply when you are a Solar Hobbyist or DIY addict. The mid-point between economics and actual energy needs becomes oblivious, what becomes obvious is your inner quest to achieve your grand innate desire being brought afore from your sub-consciousness.
I have garnered a lot from Niyi’s design particularly having 38,400KWH Battery Bank Lead Acid self balancing loops theory which empirically helped the bank despite 2yrs counting in spite thorough regular use. If I apply your cautious observation to my battery bank I will probably just need 9,600KWH since I always get away with overnight voltage of 48.2v at that level then. Perhaps being an addict made me markup more batteries to 38,400KWH, at this set point, I rarely deplete it beyond 52.1v or 50.6v with intermittent Air Conditioning.
My point now Oga truthbetold22, I think Niyi’s investments in renewables goes beyond your cautious observation, it has become an obsession that is familiar with us as a solar addicts. Some will even buy battleborn lithium battery and teardown I have done that before with a 2 months old Microteck Inverter as well as other ones. The last one I did failed coming on and it is receiving attention from a guru on this forum. This do not necessarily mean one has endless resources to play with but I know you understand the word ADDICT.
Therefore, Lets Jawjaw and press reset button.…Nigeria needs us in the coming months of darkness from Electricity sector…

Thank you sir. You have spoken well.

Dkev:
please is there a way to get this dude(truthbetold) banned from the thread?

No way sir.. fortunately, you don’t own Nairaland

solasola:
the talk has spoken itself. My advice is that you need patience and never rush. We are waiting for your analysis to cater for an off-grid scenerio , tell us the battery bank needed, the dod%, inverter choice, cc choices, etal.
We are waiting to learn from your wealth of experience.

You and your 2 batteries and two panels worth 500k as u said.

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durodee:
Kai, e go hard for our friend o. This will involve some little THINKING!

Who is this one? You want to belong too? Abeg allow people with 10-15k watts panel capacity to talk..

You with your 1 panel want to feel among too���

solasola:
chai your DNA must have written in FORTRAN. The person who did this to you no try at all. Let's move to the season 2. THE DICEPHER

Go chill with ur not so wonderful children and your poor miserable family.. Mr I built a house in ikorodu..

Underachiever..

durodee:
I am thinking a diagnosis of Tourette syndrome with Colprolalia will be apt to describe his condition. I really doubt if he ever entered any medical school but in case he ever had any form of medical training, I just hope his verbal diarrhea will not manifest in a viva. On day, truth will truly be told and then prostration and ejowo sirs will follow.

Chest beating afonja.. empty vessel.. Because we are on Nairaland, some people will be claiming all what not.

Because it is Niyi now, none of u want to think with your brains, only with ur anus.. my opinion hasn’t changed. 3 inverter air conditioners, an inverter washing machine, an inverter microwave, TVs on energy saving mode, all bulbs as leds and u are down to 3000-5000 watts instantaneous at most..

Why then does anyone need 19k watts??

Uninformed fools

bigrovar:
Logic and critical thinking should made compulsory in school. There is a rule in live he who alleges should proof his alligation. You made a sweeping statement without any proof or data and then you are asking people to disproof you. Some people have this thing called jobs. The annoying thing about the internet is .. you are probably some man child catching trips trolling this channel. I won't even respond to you again. I am getting a 50kw solar system.. go and hug transformer

Oga quiet, you are probably a poor man who lives in fantasies and in one village house in ikorodu..

Stop trying hard.. some of us are employers and can take all the time we want to reply people who don’t take the time to think before replying..

Niyi has obliged with his load.. time to decipher if he needs 19k watts.. no time to reply Dullards

ceaser:
Eeya. It's so sad.
Funny enough you could turn out to be one of my residents, that's how small the world could be. After all NL is a world of anonymity.

But you've been a great disappointment to the medical profession with your depositions.

Except those that may have been patient enough to decipher thru some of my subtleties on NL, not many will ever think that I have attained the highest level in the medical profession (on the clinical side of course). Yet I never tried to brag about it nor rub it in the faces of anyone.

Truly, as Barezzi opined, people in the west mostly mind their business. Such outlooks about life also come from experience and exposure, two vital things that is apparently lacking in your make up.

If you truly are a doc as earlier alleged, then I honestly think you need to do a deep introspect to know if medicine was really your calling.

You must be a native doctor.. resident my foot.. anonymous forum where anyone can claim anything. Oga u are nothing jare.. did you see me post about being a doctor? Na u carry am for head o

ceaser:
Tell me something. So the guy na medico?
But I'm dead sure Medicos are usually above average and if any medico chooses to be this caustic by virtue of personal attitude (rather than that instituted by their professional training), then it usually is not this terrible.

This one fall hand gan o.

Hmmm. Na wa o.

I am what u will and can never be. Analytical reasoning is far from a Nigerian and very far from you as you have proven.

Even Niyi is silent cos he knows he dare not post his appliances.. Again, 19,000 solar capacity watts and 100,000 watts energy usage daily is ridiculous for a house or flat is ridiculous at best.

Kill urself if you want to, it won’t change anything