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Demmzy15:
Ibn Sina was an heretic, stop arguing. This is the view of majority of Muslim scholars of his time and the present, no body gives 's damn about what he accomplished if he doesn't have the fear of God and makes blasphemous claims..

Isaac Newton was an heretic according to your standard because he never supported trinity, he was a unitarian Christian. If he made his beliefs known, he would have been burnt on a take like many others. Deal with it Parisbookaddict!

Ibn Sina (known in Europe as )Avicenna was a devout Muslim and sought to reconcile rational philosophy with Islamic theology. His aim was to prove the existence of God and His creation of the world scientifically and through reason and logic.[41] Avicenna's views on Islamic theology (and philosophy) were enormously influential, forming part of the core of the curriculum at Islamic religious schools until the 19th century.[42] Avicenna wrote a number of short treatises dealing with Islamic theology. These included treatises on the prophets (whom he viewed as "inspired philosophers", and also on various scientific and philosophical interpretations of the Quran, such as how Quranic cosmology corresponds to his own philosophical system. In general these treatises linked his philosophical writings to Islamic religious ideas; for example, the body's afterlife.

There are occasional brief hints and allusions in his longer works however that Avicenna considered philosophy as the only sensible way to distinguish real prophecy from illusion. He did not state this more clearly because of the political implications of such a theory, if prophecy could be questioned, and also because most of the time he was writing shorter works which concentrated on explaining his theories on philosophy and theology clearly, without digressing to consider epistemological matters which could only be properly considered by other philosophers.[43]

Later interpretations of Avicenna's philosophy split into three different schools; those (such as al-Tusi) who continued to apply his philosophy as a system to interpret later political events and scientific advances; those (such as al-Razi) who considered Avicenna's theological works in isolation from his wider philosophical concerns; and those (such as al-Ghazali) who selectively used parts of his philosophy to support their own attempts to gain greater spiritual insights through a variety of mystical means. It was the theological interpretation championed by those such as al-Razi which eventually came to predominate in the madrasahs.

[size=16pt]Avicenna memorized the Quran by the age of ten, [/size]and as an adult, he wrote five treatises commenting on suras from the Quran. One of these texts included the Proof of Prophecies, in which he comments on several Quranic verses and holds the Quran in high esteem. [size=16pt]Ibn Sina (Avicenna) argued that the Islamic prophets should be considered higher than philosophers.[/size]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avicenna

This is the man who Abeed Demmyz regards as a heretic! May Al-ilah Hubal forgive him!

ifenes:
How did you come about that? Show me where you got that info!

[size=16pt](Luke 2: 51-52)

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Joseph and Mary made the yearly pilgrimage to Jerusalem for the Feast of the Passover. In addition, they brought their 12-year-old son to celebrate His first Feast in preparation for His bar mitzvah at age 13, when Jewish boys commemorate their passage into adulthood. Here we see a typical boy in a typical family of that day.

We see also in this story that Jesus’ lingering in the temple was neither mischievous nor disobedient, but a natural result of His knowledge that He must be about His Father’s business. That He was astonishing the temple teachers with His wisdom and knowledge speaks to His extraordinary abilities, while His listening and asking questions of His elders shows that He was utterly respectful, taking the role of a student as was fitting for a child of His age.

From this incident to His baptism at age 30, all we know of Jesus’ youth was that He left Jerusalem and returned to Nazareth with His parents and “was obedient to them” Luke 2:51. He fulfilled His duty to His earthly parents in submission to the 5th commandment, an essential part of the perfect obedience to the law of Moses which He rendered on our behalf. Beyond that, all we know is that “Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men" (Luke 2:52).

Wow, Muckslims are really their brother's keeper:

[size=16pt]A traveller in Sudan observed in 1930 that “In the eyes of the Arab rulers of Sudan, the Black slaves were simply animals given by Allah to make life of Arabs comfortable.” In 1962, the Arab Sudanese General, Hassan Beshir Nasr, while flagging off his troops to the war front against Black Africans in South Sudan, declared: “We don’t want these Black slaves…….what we want is their land.”[/size]

Demmzy15:
Ibn Sina was not a Muslim dullard, na wa for u o! He was an heretic, the difference between Islam and Christianity is that Christians burnt their heretics on stakes with their works while Islam doesn't!

Yours is a minority view. He is frequently mentioned as a Muslim Hero and his entry in the Muslim Encyclopedia is one of the longest and most detailed, now all of a sudden he is a heretic because he said something embarrassing about his abeeds! Poor man! By the way read this opinion about him by one of your fellow muslims:


[size=16pt]HEROES OF ISLAM[/size]

IBN SINA (Avicenna) - Doctor of Doctors! ( 980 - 1037 A.D.)
If you do no know who Ibn Sina is, then let me enlighten you about the great Arabic thinker of the 11th century.
Abu Ali al-Hussain Ibn Abdallah Ibn Sina was born in 980 A.D. at Afshana near Bukhara. The young Bu Ali received his early education in Bukhara, and by the age of ten had become well versed in the study of the Qur'an and various sciences. He started studying philosophy by reading various Greek, Muslim and other books on this subject and learnt logic and some other subjects from Abu Abdallah Natili, a famous philosopher of the time. While still young, he attained such a degree of expertise in medicine that his renown spread far and wide. At the age of 17, he was fortunate in curing Nooh Ibn Mansoor, the King of Bukhhara, of an illness in which all the well-known physicians had given up hope. On his recovery, the King wished to reward him, but the young physician only desired permission to use his uniquely stocked library.
On his father's death, Bu Ali left Bukhara and traveled to Jurjan where Khawarizm Shah welcomed him. There, he met his famous contemporary Abu Raihan al-Biruni. Later he moved to Ray and then to Hamadan, where he wrote his famous book Al-Qanun fi al-Tibb. Here he treated Shams al-Daulah, the King of Hamadan, for severe colic. From Hamadan he moved to Isphahan, where he completed many of his monumental writings. Nevertheless, he continued traveling and the excessive mental exertion as well as political turmoil spoilt his health. Finally, he returned to Hamadan where he died in 1037 A.D.
He was the most famous physician, philosopher, encyclopedist, mathematician and astronomer of his time. His major contribution to medical science was his famous book al-Qanun, known as the "Canon" in the West. The Qanun fi al-Tibb is an immense encyclopedia of medicine extending over a million words. It surveyed the entire medical knowledge available from ancient and Muslim sources. Due to its systematic approach, "formal perfection as well as its intrinsic value, the Qanun superseded Razi's Hawi, Ali Ibn Abbas's Maliki, and even the works of Galen, and remained supreme for six centuries". In addition to bringing together the then available knowledge, the book is rich with the author's original contribution. His important original contribution includes such advances as recognition of the contagious nature of phthisis and tuberculosis; distribution of diseases by water and soil, and interaction between psychology and health. In addition to describing pharmacological methods, the book described 760 drugs and became the most authentic materia medica of the era. He was also the first to describe meningitis and made rich contributions to anatomy, gynaecology and child health.

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ifenes:
Mr man,stop dancing around my question. If you don't know,say you don't know

Where was Jesus between the age of 12 to 30? Tell me you do not know and I will move!

Jesus was in Judea between the ages of 12 to 30. Unless you have some authentic historic sources proving otherwise, I suggest you tuck your tail between your legs and scoot off.

nemesis2u:
forget fancy words like 'omnipresent' and 'omnipotent'
answer me first
what is the relevance of god without humans?
if god is all powerful why would he/she be concern with puny humans worshipping him.
why does god stand to gain by a muslim worshipping him?

why does god stand to gain by a christian worshipping him?

why does god stand to gain by a hindu worshipping him?

etc etc.

Worship simply means giving reverence to a spiritual being who is greater than you. We don't do it for what God will gain but for what we will gain for ourselves.

nemesis2u:
water is fluid
air is fluid

still....
water is stable and recognisable
air is stable and recognisable

and we all are pretty much dependent on them
god or whoever has given us braincells for a reason so use it oga.

A god should be 'omnipresent' and 'omnipotent'. When you said 'fluid' the first idea that ocurred to me was that this god easily changes his mind.

facheux:
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Settle down crusader.

Is that the best you can come up with, Abeed?

ifenes:
Why was that? What was he doing at the age of 13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28 and 29? shagging women and getting drunk?

Or could it be what the Hindus said? In India studying the life of Buddha!

Sigh. You sub-evolved cretin. The Son of Man had no time for sinful daliances. He was simply readying himself for a religious mission that would shake the world to its very foundations ( I speak metaphorically of course )

But on a serious note, I don't get you atheists one bit. You give a free pass to MUMUhaMAD the rapist slave owner and yet you're always coming down hard on Jesus. How can anyone hate someone who says things like this:

Matthew 5: 43-48

“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

How can anyone fail to be moved by such beauty? Sigh.

ifenes:
Answer the question. Where was the bible jesus from ages 12 to 30?

To let you know I am no Muslim nor christian.

He probably spent his teenage years dealing with acne and his breaking voice etc (normal teenage stuff). In other words, not things that would be of any doctrinal or theological significance. The real business started at age 30 and that is all that concerns us Christians.

ifenes:
Where did the bible say jesus was from ages 12 to 30?

Just out of curiousity, why are you MUCKslims so darned eager to attach Jesus to your s.h.it.ty religion? Doesn't MUMUhamed have enough credibility of his own?

ifenes:
If you had a brain at all you will know the Arabs/Syrians/Iraqis have a better opinion on Jesus(real name Yeshua) than Westerners or Africans.

If you had opposable thumbs and was not a primate, you'd know that Jesus was Jewish and lived his whole life in Judea without ever having contact with any Arabs/Syrians/Iraqis or any other assortment of ragheads you can think of.

amokeme:
Funny enough I like guys with pot belle (ok, I don't mean the disgusting type o. There are some belle that looks cute ) my friends think I weird... lol but honestly I do. I don't think I can date a slim guy... hanhan, I'm slim my bf/husband can't be slim na
I like big guys

All NL guys reading this post, please check out amokeme's profile pic. Well worth a view. You won't regret it.

ifenes:
The people(Arabs) who lived close to where the story happened claimed Jesus isn't god and Mohammed came after him. Who are you to say they were telling lies?

If you had half a brain you'd know that there were no Arabs in Jerusalem or anywhere else in ancient Judea during Jesus time in this world. SMH

facheux:
Xtians are just straight up pagan eh. How euro centric of them

[size=16pt]THE HINDU ORIGINS OF MUHAMMAD AND ISLAM[/size]

Interesting account by a hindu scholar on how Islam plagiarised the polytheistic Hindu Faith:

We have mentioned in previous posts that the pagans of the Middle East during pre-Islamic times may actually refer to Hindus, not Christian pagans. Hindu scriptures refer to their own worshipers as ‘pagans’. The Hindu’s are the main polytheist’s in the world and the Hindu faith spread far beyond their own country. Some sources indicate that Hinduism was prevalent even in the Arabian peninsula. In Hinduism it is often claimed that religious verses and symbols mispronounced or used wrongly, has the opposite effect and becomes malign, destructive and evil. Islam is that distortions of what was Hindu worship in the medieval times.

Islam is corrupt. The Quran [Hadith and Sirath] gives plenty of testimony to it being a fabricated faith, created out of theft and loot, and out of greed and desire to conquer, occupy and destroy other nations and cultures. Islam is religion gone in reverse. It had no authentic leadership or prophet. It was an imaginary invention by a barbaric, illiterate crude and cruel criminal who was greedy for an empire. It was collected from booty, compiled out of bits and pieces from other faiths [360 religious customs and tribal faiths existing in the region], which the self-invented prophet of Islam gathered during his raids and genocide of innocent people.

Madman: Mohammed declares himself a ‘prophet’ – at age 40

[size=16pt]In the Hadiths the prophet of Islam is not born with any remarkable qualities. He is merely a desert thief, a savage. He is extremely cruel, crude and barbaric – a common trait in Muslims even today.[/size]It is only when Mohammed is rather old and in the late stages of his life (he lived until the age of 53) that he suddenly is made into a prophet. While prophets through history were born exceptional which is what distinguished them from ordinary people, Mohammed had nothing exceptional to him. On the contrary he suffered depression, suicidal thoughts and hallucinations and claimed he was possessed by a demon. It was one of Mohammed’s wives who convince Mohammed that his hallucinations are ‘a sign’ that he is a prophet. Thereafter to make excuses for his hallucinations, at the late age of 40, the cruel and barbaric Mohammed decides that he must be declared a prophet.

The Hadiths describe Mohammed to have “meditated” in a cave at Hira. Meditation has no background in Islam but originates from the Hindu and Buddhist religion. Furthermore Mohammed’s stepfather used to carve idols (Hindu idols for the local temple?) We say stepfather because Mohammed was born an orphan and breast fed by a slave, which indicates that he was probably an illegit child from a sexual encounter between a slave and her master. Mohammed was brought up by his slave mother and could neither read or write. He basically grew up in rough conditions, and the Hadiths testify that he earned his living from criminal activity.

Vedic teachings predates all other religions

The term “religion” used to describe the ancient form of Hinduism, pre-Hinduism or Vedic traditions, is not fully accurate. The oldest version of Hinduism before it turned into a religion was based on knowledge and instructions on a way of life that harmonized with existence. It was not held together as a religion and was not focused on a particular caste, origin, country. It was known as Sanathana Dharma, or eternal/perennial knowledge and intended for people from all backgrounds as described in the Vedic traditions.

The Vedic /Sanathana Dharma “religion” or way of life is without doubt the oldest in the world and is believed to predate all other religions. Anyone can read about Indian religious history and find references reaching beyond 15,000 years. Other religions are branches developed out of Vedas with Hinduism and then Judaism being the oldest (major) branch, followed by Buddhism, Christianity, Zoroastrianism, Jainism, Sikhism – and last of all – Islam. And each branch developed further branches depending on their interpretation of their faith.

Sikhism developed during the Punjab’s crusade battle against Muslims and was basically a form of army faith group in honor of their brave warriors. It branched off from Hinduism and became its own sect. Thus, they Sikhs adapted a separate attire from the Hindu nationals; an Arab looking turban and clothing emulating their enemies to confuse them. When Muslims would see the Sikhs riding towards them from a distance they assumed they were Muslims. In this way the Sikhs could enter the enemy lines in close proximity before a full on attack. Even to this day, some Islamic practices like honor killings exist within Sikhism while the concept of honor killing is alien in the Hindu faith. Some isolated cases of honor killing within Hinduism is an adaptation from Islam due to close association to Muslims and remnant from Islamic law and rule in the region. It is possible that honor killing within the Sikh community started when Sikhs would kill their own women and children to spare them being enslaved by Muslims during brutal slave raids.

Mecca (Bakkah) existed pre-Islam as a religious center

Pre-Islam, Mecca was known as one of the most important religious places of worship in the Arabian world. It appears to have been a multifaith place of worship, with a large Jewish, Christian, and pagan (Hindu) community co-existing peacefully with each other. Their friendship is documented in the Quran and the texts confirm that the natives lived in harmony with each other before Mohammed’s invasions, indoctrination and forced conversions. Due to their mutual friendship Muslims were ordered to view them as enemies and to be avoided. There appears to have been many different temples, churches and synagogues in the region from which Mohammed and his men acquired loot, wealth, religious texts, and discoveries and inventions.

The Kaaba was already in existence when Mohammed and his gang of looters invaded Mecca and slaughtered its inhabitants. Anyone in his path was killed unless they converted to his new-found warlike religion and raided and fought with Mohammed and his army. If they refused to convert and were wealthy with an income source and wanted to survive Mohammed’s executions, they had to pay jizya, extortion tax – an obligatory duty to all non-Muslims.

Parts of the Kaaba had then been ruined by floods during Mohammed’s age and Mohammed therefore reinstated the old temple. An argument took place as to whom would be allowed access to the confiscated temple. At the time the Kaaba contained 360 deities, including deities of the main planets, Hindu deities and from what appears to be looted Greek and Roman objects. It is our belief that the original Kaaba was the result of looting of religious artifacts from many major religious sources and tribes, thus Mohammed assumed Islam was the “complete” or “ultimate” religion.

It is an undeniable fact of history that before Muhammed was born, the local people worshiped the deity”al-Ilah” (‘Allah’ of today) who had three daughters named al-Lat (Hubal, the mesopotamian moon god), al-Uzza (also known as Isis by the Egyptians–or Aphrodite by the Greeks) and Manat (the Nabatean goddess of time). The first two were even named after their father. Each daughter had a separate shrine near Mecca, where Allah’s shrine was located. Ironic Muslims refer to the Grand mosque as al-Haram. The words, حرم ḥaram and حرام ḥarām, mean both “forbidden” and/or “sacred”.

Is “Rama-dan” an adaptation of “Rama”?

It’s a well known fact in Hinduism that if sacred mantras, text or chants are pronounced wrong – they become counter productive and even turn destructive.

It is confirmed from the Sirath and Hadiths that Islam was created during Ramadan. Since Islam was created during Ramadan, it indicates that some festivity was prevalent pre-Islam carrying the name Ramadan and served as some form of inspiration to create a new faith. However, why does the Muslim festivity in preparation for war contain the name RAMA, a name for one of the main Hindu incarnations said to have lived over 10,000 years ago, and widely celebrated in annual festivals? This is an indication that tribal criminal Mohammed likely tried to utilize the ancient rituals for success in his raids. Rama-dan today is a festivity where Muslims ‘purify’ themselves to prepare for war. Its a time when terrorist attacks on mosques and people increases ten fold.

Idol worship within Islam

Although Islam forbids idol worship (a remnant from advaita, also known as non-dualism), and very strictly so, Muslims worship the black stone in the Kaaba and perform rituals around it.

There is historic documentation quoting John of Damascus writings in the 730s A.D. that accused Muslims of worshiping the head of the Greek goddess Aphrodite [Asrarte, Goddess of war]. When Muslim slave raiders savaged the shores of Southern Europe they would persecute the natives, referring to them as ‘idol worshipers’. The Christians in response asked the Muslims why they were worshiping a black stone that was the head of Asrarte, the Aphrodite Goddess of war, as this constituted idol worship. Thus, we have actual historical references to the black stone in the Kaaba from 1,270 years ago, professing the to be the head of Asrarte. This is quite significant in the argument that Islam is a religion that came into being from loot, because one of the first raid ports the Muslims attacked in Southern Europe was Cyprus – which had a staunch following of Aphrodite. Cyprus had a temple dedicated in her honor where a black statue of Asrarte was installed and it is missing a head for the past many centuries.

We know that Muslims had reached Cyrus prior to the written testimony of John of Damascus in the 730 A.D.
After Richard the Lionheart defeated Guy de Lusignan at Jerusalem in 1187, the Christian forces of Europe were about to try and stop the rapid spread of Islam. This meant it had been ongoing for some time. Some of them traveled by sea and some went by land. Richard traveled by sea, but his flotilla was buried in storm. There remain several ship wrecks on the shore of Cyprus.

Other proof that Muslim adapted idol worship is in facts originating with the Quran itself. Some of the 360 idols that surrounded the inner sanctum walls of the Kaaba remained for centuries after most had been destroyed by Mohammed meaning he decided to keep a few of them that appealed to him. The last remaining idols got destroyed around 2012-2013 by Saudi Arabian King Abdullah, which was mentioned in a newspaper article during the renovation and new constructions in Mecca.



The video display a dynamic battle chart of 548 twenty year Jihad battles, relentlessly started by Muslims in slave and booty raids against the classical civilization, eventually destroying and pillaging European civilization and plunging it into poverty, forcing it to rebuild itself. Each white dot in the chart is a new 20 year Muslim jihad period. Red dots are battles that have ended. The jihad and raids on Cyprus took place around 620-640 AD where the black stone (al-Ḥajar al-Aswad) of the Kaaba is assumed to have been looted. In comparison to over 548 Muslim raids, there were only 16 crusades against Muslim invasion.

Kaaba, a name originating from the Tamil language?

The word Kabaa may originate from Tamil and the word Kabaalishwaran. Tamil is considered one of the oldest languages of the world. Dravidian’s worshiped Lord Shiva as their Primal Deity – from the Indus valley civilization. Shiva Temple’s in South India are called as Kabaalishwaran temple’s. Kabaali, therefore – refer to Lord Shiva.

There are many other words in Islam that appear to be connected to Hinduism. For example, in Sanskrit Allah, Akka and Amba are synonyms. They signify a goddess or mother. The Islamic practice of Bakari Eed (Eid) derives from the Go-(M)edh and Ashva-(M)edh Yagnas or sacrifices of Vedic times. Eed in Sanskrit means worship. The Islamic word Eed for festive days, signifying days of worship, is therefore a pure Sanskrit word. [Note: The word Bakari is an Indian language word for a goat. Muslims sacrifice goats during Eid]

Since Eed means worship and Griha means ‘house’, the Islamic word Idgah signifies a ‘House of worship’ which is the exact Sanskrit connotation of the term. Similarly the word ‘Namaz’ derives from two Sanskrit roots ‘Nama’ and ‘Yajna’ (NAMa yAJna) meaning bowing and worshipping.

Recital of the Namaz (Nama-smaranam in Hindi) five times a day owes its origin to the Vedic injunction of Panchmahayagna (five daily worship- Panch-Maha-Yagna) which is part of the daily Vedic ritual prescribed for all individuals.

Four months of the year are regarded as very sacred in Islamic custom. The devout are enjoined to abstain from plunder and other evil deeds during that period. This originates in the Chaturmasa i.e., the four-month period of special vows and austerities in Hindu tradition. Shabibarat is the corrupt form of Shiva Vrat and Shiva Ratra.

The Islamic term ‘Eed-ul-Fitr’ derives from the ‘Eed of Piters’ that is worship of forefathers in Sanskrit tradition. In India, Hindus commemorate their ancestors during the Pitr-Paksha that is the fortnight reserved for their remembrance. The very same is the significance of ‘Eed-ul-Fitr’ (worship of forefathers).

In ancient Hinduism the ‘demons’ always return to the world to create havoc, misery and suffering and destroy the good that the sacred people have created. Is Islam this demon of our age, distorting itself as a (false) religion, and create its endless problems for other people in the world?

IndianBwoy:
Male.

Just lyk positive negative elements.


Again Gods are fluid. Attributes can be combined.


Lord Shiva is the ultimate meditator. The dormant seed.

Gods are fluid? Gods should be stable and recognisable. If they are not stable, how can you depend on them?

IndianBwoy:
The #Shiva #Linga - Ferility Symbol .. Idol Representing Lord Shiva.

Its an ancient Symbol. representing the Union of opposing forces to create the Universe. The Phallic symbol being the Cosmic Pillar of Energy uniting with the base womb (The Supreme Creative Power that holds this energy).



Yes and maybe. To the Lingayats, Shaivaites and Aghoris especially, he is their Chief diety. Shiva is destruction itself. The ultimate force of Creation.

But I thought Kali was the goddess of destruction?

tosyne2much:
Egbon, e be like say you be "team-pot-belly" ?

I be the John Terry of "team pot belly"

IndianBwoy:
Wishing you all a very happy MahaShivaratri. May Lord Shiva bless you with Happiness, Prosperity, Fertility & Good Health.


Listen to song below while smokin Ganja , the sacred herb of the Lord Shiva.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dSJpZQ8u




In pix, PM of India pours libation on the sacred idol representing Lord Shiva , the force of Destruction.

What is a "Shiva Lingam" and is Shiva the most important Hindu god?

Smellymouth:
I wouldn't call it disgusting ,It's just a sound that reminds me that my girlfriend is sleeping peacefully so I can relax knowing she's fine.

A girlfriend who can sleep peacefully in the presence of a smelly mouth is indeed a rarity

tosyne2much:
Thank God my fiancee's tummy is very flat



*nobody should quote me*

A day will come after marriage when her flat tummy will be a source of worry and concern if it does not grow for 9 months...

sirklin:
Lol! If he claims she is 'her' mother why don't she show us pictures of them together.

I think I read an interview by him several years ago where he said his mother was Indian.

sirklin:
Mama a few pills would have rid the world of that werey

Come on man. I can't stand Denrele, but don't you think your comment is rather on the wicked side?