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Ramon92:
pfft...u don't even know about what u're practising. .

Trash !!!

You couldn't prove they were Christians, who killed for Jesus that was against ordinary slapping.

crusadistic:
It could mean a 1001 things



Here's the full hadith
Narrated: Abu Huraira
Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hand my soul is I was
about to order for collecting fire-wood (fuel) and then order
Someone to pronounce the Adhan for the prayer and then order
someone to lead the prayer then I would go from behind and [b]burn
the houses of men who did not present themselves for the
(compulsory congregational) prayer
. By Him, in Whose Hands my
soul is, if anyone of them had known that he would get a bone
c over ed with good meat or two (small) pieces of meat present in
between two ribs, he would have turned up for the 'Isha' prayer".[/b]
Moreover burning as punishment is haram in Islam.I haven't even mentioned the story of Moses killing a man for fetching firewood during sabbath.You are yet to name any of His(SAW) murders

How is this one without an author different from the one I quoted? Yet you call islam a religion of peace. Peace ko pieces ni !!!

Let us have your 1001 meaning for this:
Bukhari (52:73) - "Allah's Apostle said, 'Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords'."

Bukhari (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally."
If he wasn't slaughtering people would he say as we slaughter? You have no defence my boy !!!

Ramon92:
1. Emperor Karl Charlemagne in 782 had around 5k Saxons beheaded cos of unwilling to convert to Christianity.

2. Sopatros, a philosopher was killed by xtian authorities for rejecting christ

3. Emperor Theodosius even had children executed, because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues.

4. 200,000 heathens slaughtered "in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ", at the Battle of Askalon..

5. Even the legendary Adolf Hitler, was motivated by the Lord Jesus Christ in the massacre of the Jews (I wonder what yahweh was doing)

Those are just little of many over the course of history, and still excludes the role of Pope Urban, the Christian crusades and purging..

Stop lying !!!

Those people are not Christians.

Jesus never told anybody to give ordinary slap, talkless of killing. When he was to be arrested, Peter cut the ear of one of the arrestors, he rebuked him and miraculously gummed the ear back and he said "put your sword in the sheald, anyone who killed by the sword will die by the sword". Is that the Jesus you claim some.people killed for?

Unlike in islam where Muhammad said he was under allaah's order to kill anyone if he didn't convert to islam. You could see up there how Muhammad set some people on fire for not coming out for prayer. That is islam for you.

crusadistic:
Trash! what reprisal attacks you mean genocide and mass rape....you must be sick then trying to justify that for whatsoever reason.All the so-called terrorist attacks by some unknown people still won't equal the millions killed over the centuries under your very own church authority.
kindly mention any single soul that was murdered by Muhammad(SAW).

You would have surprised me if you are well behaved as a muslim. I will also be surprised if you don't tell lies as a muslim.

Bukhari (52:73) - "Allah's Apostle said, 'Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords'."
What does this mean to you.

Bukhari (11:626) - [Muhammad said:] "I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those, who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes.
What is the meaning of this?

crusadistic:
Where was evil spirit mentioned please

Who are jinns?

The fact that the jinns confessed that some of them just became muslims shows they were evil. They are evil even now because they went to heaven and were disallowed.

Since quran says jinns were created to worship allaah, but they never worshiped him untill Muhammad came reciting the quran. Why did it take so long a time before they started doing so?

What does the quran mean by saying only Iblis disobeyed allaah when all jinns refused to worship him?

crusadistic:
Don't you understand simple English; xtianity-the biggest killing establishment in history

You don't know what you are saying.

Today's terrorists use sophisticated weapons, capable of killing hundreds of thousands in a day. Add that to the number Muhammad killed in his time. In one single day, Muhammad killed about 900 Jews. Add that to the so many attacks on towns and villages.

Besides, you don't seem to know that wars in the Bible fought by Israelis are reprisal attacks. The only war God told them to fight, which was not reprisal was when they were to take over the land of Canaan. And that was because God was annoyed with the Cannanites and wanted them displaced but could not happen without a war.

Now tell me, what was the population of the Canaanites? Or do you say they shouldn't fight those who first attacked them?

crusadistic:
xtianity-the biggest killing establishment in history

Hypocrite !!!

Point to where Christians are killing anywhere despite Jesus warnings.

Seun:
To become a religious suicide bomber or a holy murderer, a person must believe the following things:
1) "There exists only one true God."
2) "Those who reject God or disobey his commands are dangerous and wicked evildoers."
3) "God wants to punish those dangerous and wicked evildoers severely."
4) "God often uses human beings to carry out his will on earth."
5) "God will bountifully reward those who are killed while doing God's will"
6) "God wants ME to punish those dangerous and wicked evildoers on His behalf."

The problem with mainstream, moderate religion is that it indoctrinates millions of people with the first 5 things that religious terrorists need to believe, while they are young and thus impressionable. This makes the job of terrorist groups very easy because all they have to do is convince their recruits of the final thing that terrorists must believe: that they are the ones who have been chosen to execute God's holy justice.

Mainstream religion is like an engineer who likes to build grenades as a hobby, and keeps them at home. From time to time, criminals break into his home, steal some of the grenades, and use them to commit brutal crimes. The engineer is like, "it's not my fault!" "They stole the grenades from me!" "My grenades are not meant to be used for violence!" "I'm actually a pacifist!" Yet, s/he keeps building more grenades.

Item No. 2: Terrorists are far more wicked than those they claim reject allaah. We never saw infidels killing muslims anywhere.

submit:
I can't imagine I took my time to take you this serious.


If you can't post the whole of that Surah, then open up a topic (as you usually do) on just "Jinn" and try and request the presence of islamic scholars to help you translate what the Quran really say about them. Another option would be that you buy a Quran that has an Arabic text with corresponding english meaning. You could even borrow from a friend or library. Stop using the "internet", I blv you know what I mean.

My problem with you is that you take things always on the offensive side. No wonder most people ignore your posts. You were actually making sense until late last year on nairaland. Anyways takecare. Try and look deep into your soul, you would see what you need.

Funny Islamic scholars?

That shows you have no idea of what I'm talking about. But you asked me to post the whole sura as if you have a point you want to bring out.

submit:
Smh.. Why don't you take this topic to the proper section. Well since you're not even supposed to post there.
Just an insight... Post the whole of dt particular Surah here. Then in the Quran you read, Jinn means Evil spirit, like seriously?

I shouldn't be the one you should be taking your rants on.

Annaias and Sapphira would have been happier if they were muslims cos the Bible dint tell us what they used the money for. It could have been to help a relative, or a needy stranger, who knows, only that they "lied", then were "struck dead". Smh

There's this portion in the new testament where "Apostle" paul was defending himself. At one point, he would say I am a pharisee, at another point he would say I am of d saadherin ( did I get d spelling ryt, no time to check the Bible for chapters n verses cos of a VIP like you) instead of coming out straight that he was a "christain". Infact, there's this occasion, Apostle peter refused to eat with the gentiles cos some jews were present, then "apostle" paul admonish him.
Now which is worse, lying to receive praises from ur Creator or "being sly" to please men. Smh.
But I know your answer already, Hypocrite.

We shouldn't be having this discussion anyway.

Now pertaining to that particular Hadith, as I said earlier, you have to get an authentic transliteration.

But you're almost there. Just almost.

When you cannot refute islamic falsehood you begin to say various irrelevant things. Look at the crap you are saying up there.

Post the whole of the Sura and prove your point nau.

Demons have their words as a part of the quran.

Farmerforlife:
Carry go. I am waiting for your sidekick to ask me those questions. You dont exist as far as I am concerned.

I'm not posting for you alone and I'm sure those among you who are honest to themselves will be getting my messages. Not everyone shall be saved and those who are satisfied with allaah taking them to hellfire can continue.

Farmerforlife:
Dont waste your time. I dont have space for you. Sorry, dont vex.

My posts are too tough for you !!!

analice107:
Keep them coming sir. So many youths will be delivered from the clutching lies of satan/allah

Thank you sister.

Farmerforlife:
Oh yes? Is that your proof? How do you know that makr means deceit? Do you speak Arabic by any chance?



You are of your father the devil? Is he speaking to Christians? The Quran verse above, is it addressed to Muslims? What do you have to say about Bible verses where Jesus (who is God according to you) sends lying spirits to put falsehoods on the tongue of his prophets?

1Kings22:
And Micaiah said, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing beside him on his right hand and on his left; 20 and the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?’ And one said one thing, and another said another. 21 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the Lord, saying, ‘I will entice him.’ 22 And the Lord said to him, ‘By what means?’ And he said, ‘I will go out, and will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ And he said, ‘You are to entice him, and you shall succeed; go out and do so.’ 23 Now therefore behold, the Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; the Lord has declared disaster for you.”

Does that not mean that your god deceives?



I see people of all religions murdering people. I see governments murdering people. That Muslims are mostly singled out as being newsworthy is not proof that Muslims murder more people. Look through the front page of NL. There is almost no day that you will not find two or three stories of Christian pastors involved in rape, child abuse, fraud, drugs etc. Do we take it to mean that all Christians are so, or that Christianity teaches these misdeeds?



Islam is based on evidence, proof, authentication, not on unsubstantiated fairy tales and myths. The above is your personal opinion based on years of indoctrination. It may keep you in your comfort zone, but it is not true.



And this describes Christians to a T. You dont find statues of idols in mosques, but in Churches and around the necks of Christians. It is Christians who are fearful and unbelieving, they cant trust themselves to work a single miracle, as an atheist challenged you here on another thread. Whoremongers? Gays, prostitutes, sex with animals, paedophiles, perverts are all legalised in what are vaunted as Christian countries, not Muslim ones. We stand firm in declaring these as abominations, unlike your churches. Sorcerers? Every aspiring church pastor has jazz buried under the threshold of his church. Guru Maharaj ji once gloated that all your pastors are his clients. That is your pastors' source of 'power'. Murderers? Ritual killing is more common in Christian states if NL is an adequate sample of Nigerian news. Kidnapping has become a norm we live with here. Christians are beating their fathers and raping their mothers. Your quoted verse applies to you, not to us.



Allah is the Truth, and speaks only the truth. After you misquote and mistranslate a verse, you now endeavour to build a whimsical castle upon it. What are we, kids? That your pastors take advantage of your gullibility does not mean that we are too. Satan is the deceiver, and he plays with you Christians as he wills. He is your lord, not ours.

This is the tactics you islamists use in the face of your inability to defend islam. You look for a way of diverting the subject by responding to people's comment instead of the OP. You could type all these but couldn't answer the questions posed by the OP. The questions bore you but you are not bored by the repetitions you do in your solat day in day out.


Create a thread to ask your questions, when the ones in the OP are not yet answered. I have answers to your questions but don't derail this.

Farmerforlife:
He asked the same questions in this thread, and when AbuTwins answered him, he went off on another topic entirely, and finally accused him of taqiyyah.

https://www.nairaland.com/3258751/what-islamic-scholar-said-muslims/3

He still asked the same set of questions here...

https://www.nairaland.com/3235673/why-muslims-no-excuse-before

It is truly getting boring, and the questions are not even challenging. Truly, any of my kids can answer them. I am sure that you are thinking, "then why cant you just answer them?"
The reason is because he is still going to ask them over and over again no matter how many times they are answered. Invariably, he will then accuse those who answered him of using 'taqiyyah'. So what really is the point of engaging him? He is not trying to engage in logical debate, he is just trying to get noticed by seeking argument and finding a reason for his life. I dont think he has any real friends. You can support him because you are brethren in Christ (that is if you believe in the trinity and are not a Catholic... he hates those), but you need to ask yourself, how many times should someone continue asking the same old questions before he stops getting noticed?

To show you the incoherence of his premise, YOU ask me the questions. State them here by yourself now and I will answer them. Dont quote him, list them yourself.

And what did you say in those links you gave nau?

If the questions remain unanswered , why wouldn't I repeat them? You kept avoiding answering questions in the threads you referred to the same way you are doing here.

Any kid can answer them, yet you couldn't answer. It shows the kids are more intelligent than you, right? Then bring the kids to come and answer nau. Liar !!!

I was so sure no muslims can answer the questions because no lie to answer is available and you have to dodge under flimsy excuses.

I will keep repeating those questions until you surrender to the truth. Why should repetition bore you in the first place, after all , islam is about repetition. You keep repeating the same thing for life in your solat, right?

Farmerforlife:
He asked the same questions in this thread, and when AbuTwins answered him, he went off on another topic entirely, and finally accused him of taqiyyah.

https://www.nairaland.com/3258751/what-islamic-scholar-said-muslims/3

He still asked the same set of questions here...

https://www.nairaland.com/3235673/why-muslims-no-excuse-before

It is truly getting boring, and the questions are not even challenging. Truly, any of my kids can answer them. I am sure that you are thinking, "then why cant you just answer them?"
The reason is because he is still going to ask them over and over again no matter how many times they are answered. Invariably, he will then accuse those who answered him of using 'taqiyyah'. So what really is the point of engaging him? He is not trying to engage in logical debate, he is just trying to get noticed by seeking argument and finding a reason for his life. I dont think he has any real friends. You can support him because you are brethren in Christ (that is if you believe in the trinity and are not a Catholic... he hates those), but you need to ask yourself, how many times should someone continue asking the same old questions before he stops getting noticed?

To show you the incoherence of his premise, YOU ask me the questions. State them here by yourself now and I will answer them. Dont quote him, list them yourself.

And what did you say in those links you gave nau?

analice107:
Calmdown little bird, no need to sweat. He is just doing you a favour. Yahweh says, "If you find your brother in an error and you warn him not, if he dies in it, his blood shall be required of thee, but if you warn him, but he turneth not away from his sins, then his blood will not it be required from your hands.

We are doing our best here. We are using our precious MB in this Buhari Austerity regime to help you see that your destination is hellfire. don't turn a deaf ear.
While Muhammed was to die, his daughter Fatima went to him, to be sure of eternity, but what did Muhammed say? " Fatima bin Muhammed, you can ask me anything from my wealth and I will give to you, but don't ask me about here after, although I am a messenger of Allah, but I know not what Allah will do to me or you. (Al Fatt-h 84:2)

But see what Jesus Christ of Nazareth said to his disciples;
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
John:14:2-3.

Girl, what who will you rather believe? The one who knows where is going or the one who doesn't?

Listen babe, the OP is doing a great job trying to free you from the crutches of Satan.
Muhammed was deceived by satan, pretending to be God. Just look around and the wickedness is Islam.

Beautiful post. God bless you.

analice107:
What are you saying? How many Korans do u have? Pls post your own from an authentic Koran.

He is a liar like al-liar (allaah). Lying is encouraged in islam because the religion belongs to Satan. The Bible says Satan is the father of all liars.
From Islamic Law:

Reliance of the Traveler (p. 746 - 8.2) - "
Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible (N:i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory... it is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression...

analice107:
Point out the repetition. Hmm. You go open your eyes take enter hellfire oo.

Don't mind him.

When a question remains unanswered, what stops it from being repeated? His excuse to evade the questions is lame. Mislims are just contended deceiving themselves.

Satan sat down for years planning to destroy the Gospel of Christ by introducing islam. He twisted to thwart God's words but thank God we are able to expose him.

As the Lord lives I shall continue to expose Satan who appeared in the name of allaah to deceive mankind. It matters nothing whether muslims like it or not. In fact, I'm yet to start because I have so, so many questions in my file about islam.

Farmerforlife:
On the contrary, I'm sure that the devil loves your posts, though I am sure that he thinks of them as useless from the point of view of trying to deceive Muslims, because they are too foolish. It is actually people with any semblance of sense that find them boring and tedious, but of course you will not understand this, for reasons that are obvious to anyone with common sense.

I've really given you enough of my time. Go and get your justification for your empty life elsewhere please. Try to make real friends in real life.

How can muslims be deceived when islamic sources are being used? Then that is the more reason you owe it a duty to explain to refute the allegations or the misconceptions if they are. But unfortunately you cannot.

The time you used dodging the questions is more than enough to answer the questions, which are straight forward. They are supposed to be simple for you if you know them:

Why is islam about only Ishmael and Haggai alone? What happened to other members of Abraham's family?

Why is Kaaba not recognized by Bible prophets if it was truly built by Abraham for all mankind?

Soooo simple.

Ayishatreal:
I don't know what your problem is. I wonder why people like you have not been sanctioned in this forum. You always look for trouble everywhere and when people give it back to you, you call them all sort of names.

I wonder why a jobless person like you will go to Islam section and post your rubbish, yet the Christianity section where you're supposed to educate your fellow Christians are flooded with your hate and insightful posts about Islam. Is this how you're taught to propagate your religion?

At least if you have no job to do, you should be reasonable enough to know that these Muslims don't care about your opinion on their religion.

Why not concentrate on making the bad Christians good ones before fighting Muslims all over Nairaland as if that's your sole purpose here or are you being paid to do this?

The earlier you and your cronies desist from this your act (which I have no adjective for cos none of those adjectives could qualify your actions), the better for you. I wonder the kind of education you are giving to your fellow Christians when u've been abusing Islam and Muslims all your life and people like you are quick to shout "religious intolerance"

May it not be too late for you before you desist with your devilish act and find something reasonable and worthwhile to do with your life.

I'm out of here. Mind you, your insults are highly welcomed and will be appreciated since that's what you're known for.

I know the reason for your anger.

This thread explains it better.

www.nairaland.com/3258751/what-islamic-scholar-said-muslims

Farmerforlife:
I did not claim anywhere that I had answered the questions before. I claimed that I am sure that you had asked them on some other thread. And the epistle on self deception is better applied to your own life. You cant get meaning in life by begging for attention with these threads on social fora and becoming petulant and repeating your childish taunts when no one answers you. Get something viable doing, establish a business, learn a second language, anything to give yourself a sense of purpose. This is really pathetic.

The questions remained unanswered !!!

I know the Devil wouldn't like my posts. But something must be telling you islam is falsehood as many questions cannot be answered.

Farmerforlife will soon claim he had answered the questions before. Smh !!!

Farmerforlife:
Lol. Childish, reminds me of kindergaten school.


Or the reason could be...

...because you really are getting boring and repetitious.

Surely you can accept this as a very strong possibility.

I never saw you answering those questions anywhere. The same excuse of having answered before was what you gave in my other thread 'Why Muslims Will Have No Excuse Before God". So, anytime you are unable to answer any question, all you do is claim you have answered before.

Self-deception is the worst offence you can commit against yourself. I'm very sure if you don't repent, you will soon find yourself in the hellfire allaah promised you. There you will remember nairaland.

The earlier muslims on this forum renounce islam the better as there as soooo many unanswered questions.

Farmerforlife:
Your op is not worth responding to. Too low grade and unintelligent. Plus I am sure this is not the first time you are posting something like this. Your posts are becoming just too repetitious and insignificant for me to pay attention to, please dont be annoyed.

Because you can't answer the questions !!!

submit:
Almost... Just Almost. I'v been following your posts recently but you need to change the Quran you are using. It doesn't have the authentic transliteration or maybe you are the one substituting some words in it.

Why not Calm down and read it again.

What a defence.

Post your own translations and let's see

Farmerforlife, AbuTwins, crusadistic and DMsambo have withdrawn to their shell while other islamic apologists don't dare come out to answer the OP. Demmzy15, Riwon, tartar are nowhere to be found. Smh !!!

Not only did allaah speak in the quran, the evil spirits (jinns, demons), also did. In fact a whole chapter is dedicated to them.

Sura 72 is entitled Jinn (demons), Here is a short
quote:

"1. Say: It has been revealed to me that a company of Jinns
listened [to the Koran] They said, we have really heard a wonderful Recital!
2. It gives guidance to the right, and we have believed therein
we shall not join [in worship] any [gods] with our Lord.
3. And exalted is the majesty of our Lord: He has taken neither
a wife nor a son.
4. There are some foolish ones among us who used to utter
extravagant lies against God.
5. But we do think that no man or spirit should say aught that is untrue against God.
6. True, there were persons among mankind who took shelter with persons among the jinns but they increased them in folly.
7. And they [came to] think as ye thought, that God would not raise up anyone [to judgement].
8. And we pried into the secret of heaven: but we found it filled
with stern guards and flaming fires.

These spirit muslims (jinns) claimed they visited heaven but were denied entrance. That implies islam is not good enough for them to enter heaven. If they were denied heaven, why will human muslims be allowed to enter? No wonder all muslims are promised hellfire immediately at death.

allaah says: “I have created the jinn and humankind only for My worship.” (Quran 51:56). If allaah created the jinns for his worship, how come they didn't worship him for more than 1000 years and untill Muhammad came? When and how did allaah lose control over them, afterall the quran says only Iblis disobeyed him?

SUPERPACK:
terrorism has no religion,

Na lie !!! Terrorism is native to islam.

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"


Sahih Bukhari (52:220) - Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with terror'

Sahih Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Bukhari (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally."

youngest85:
Op jst looking 4 unnecessary arguments

Don't mind him. There is nothing like Christian terrorist.