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meixili:
I love everyone for the sake of Allah. I feel in life loving and being cordial to neighbours is paramount. Let us hope if pressure comes, we all do the right things that are just too our souls and pleasing to God.

I just wish and pray that God in His mercy will convince you that islamic allaah is not the true God. Jesus had done it to many muslims and I pray He will do it to you in Jesus name (amen).

meixili:
مُحَمَّدٌ رَّسُوۡلُ اللّٰهِ​ ؕ وَالَّذِيۡنَ مَعَهٗۤ اَشِدَّآءُ عَلَى الۡكُفَّارِ رُحَمَآءُ بَيۡنَهُمۡ ​ تَرٰٮهُمۡ رُكَّعًا سُجَّدًا يَّبۡتَغُوۡنَ فَضۡلًا مِّنَ اللّٰهِ وَرِضۡوَانًا​سِيۡمَاهُمۡ فِىۡ وُجُوۡهِهِمۡ مِّنۡ اَثَرِ السُّجُوۡدِ​ ؕ ذٰ لِكَ مَثَلُهُمۡ فِى التَّوۡرٰٮةِ ۛ ۖۚ وَمَثَلُهُمۡ فِى الۡاِنۡجِيۡلِ ۛۚ كَزَرۡعٍ اَخۡرَجَ شَطْئَـهٗ فَاٰزَرَهٗ فَاسۡتَغۡلَظَ فَاسۡتَوٰى عَلٰى سُوۡقِهٖ يُعۡجِبُ الزُّرَّاعَ لِيَـغِيۡظَ بِهِمُ الۡكُفَّارَ​ ؕ وَعَدَ اللّٰهُ الَّذِيۡنَ اٰمَنُوۡا وَعَمِلُوا الصّٰلِحٰتِ مِنۡهُمۡ مَّغۡفِرَةً وَّاَجۡرًا عَظِيۡمًا‏ 


(48:29) Muhammad is Allah's Messenger, and those who are with him are firm with the unbelievers52 but compassionate with one another.53 You see them occupied in bowing and prostrating and in seeking Allah's bounty and good pleasure. They are distinguished54 from others by the marks of prostration on their faces. Thus are they described in the Torah.55 And their parable in the Gospel is that of56 a tilth that puts forth its shoot, then strengthens it so that it becomes stout and stands firmly on its stem. This is a sight pleasing to the sowers and one by which the unbelievers will be enraged. As for those who believe and do righteous deeds, Allah has promised them forgiveness and a great reward.57


52. The companions (of the Prophet) are hard against the disbelievers: They are not such that the disbelievers may mold them as they like. They can neither be cowed nor purchased by any inducement. The disbelievers have no power to turn them away from the great objective for the sake of which they have joined and followed the Prophet (peace be upon him) even at the cost of their lives.

53. That is, whatever their hardness and severity, it is only for the disbelievers, not for the believers. As regards the believers they are soft, merciful, affectionate, sympathetic and compassionate. Their unity of aim and object has produced in them love and harmony and complete accord among themselves.

54. This does not imply the mark that appears on the forehead of some people on account of prostrations, but it implies the marks and traces of the fear of God, munificence, nobility and goodness of manner that naturally appears on the face of a person on account of bowing down before God. Man’s face is an open book on the pages of which different states of a man’s self can be seen easily. A vain and arrogant person’s face is different from the face of a humble, modest and unassuming person; an immoral person’s face is clearly distinguished from the face of a righteous and well mannered person; and there is a marked difference between the facial appearance of a wicked man and of a noble and virtuous man. What Allah means to say is: The companions of Muhammad (peace be upon him) are such that one can recognize them on first sight to be the best of mankind, because their faces shine forth with the light of God worship and God consciousness. This is the same thing about which Imam Malik has said that when the armies of the companions entered Syria, the Syrian Christians remarked: These people possess the very same qualities and characteristics of the disciples of the Prophet Jesus Christ (peace be upon him).

55. The allusion probably is to Deuteronomy, 33: 2-3, in which the Holy Prophet’s (peace be upon him) advent has been foretold and the word saints has been used for his companions. Apart from this, if some other quality of the companions has been mentioned in the Torah, it is not found in the existing, corrupted Torah.

56. This parable is found in a sermon of the Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) that has been reported in the New Testament, thus:

And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground: And should sleep, and rise night and day, and the seed should spring and grow up, he knoweth not how. For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself; first the blade, then the ear, after that the full corn in the ear. But when the fruit is brought forth, immediately he putteth in the sickle, because the harvest is come. And he said, Where unto shall we liken the kingdom of God? Or with what comparison shall we compare it? It is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when it is sewn in the earth, is less than all the seeds that be in the earth. But when it is sown, it groweth up, and becometh greater than all herbs, and shouted out great branches; so that the fowls of the air may lodge under the shadow of it.

The last portion of this sermon is also found in Matthew, 13: 31-32.

57. A section of the Muslims translates this verse, thus: Allah has promised forgiveness and a great reward to those from among these people who have believed and done good works. Thus, they invent a way to vilify and slander the companions, and claim that according to this verse many people among the companions were not believers and righteous. But this commentary goes against verses (4, 5, 18 and 26 )of this very Sarah, and does not even accord with the initial sentences of this verse itself. In( verses 4-5), Allah has made mention of sending down sakinat (tranquility) and of effecting increase in the faith of all those companions who were present with the Prophet (peace be upon him) at Hudaibiyah, and given them without any exception the good news of admission into Paradise. In (verse 18), Allah has expressed His good pleasure for all those who took the pledge to the Prophet (peace be upon him), and in this also there is no exception. In (verse 26), Allah has also used the word muminin (believers) for all the companions, has mentioned of sending down His sakinat to them, and obliged them to be righteous and pious, for they were most worthy and deserving of all mankind. Here also, it was not said that the news was being given only abut those who were believers among them. Then also in the initial sentences of this verse itself the characteristics mentioned are of all those people who were with the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). The words are to the effect that all the people who are with him have this quality and characteristic. After this, suddenly in the last sentence there could be no excuse to say that some of them were the believers and others were not

Muhammad is not in the Bible.

As soon as Hagai and Ishmael were driven out of Abraham's family, God no longer reckoned with their lineage as His people. See what God said after their departure:

Genesis 22:1-2
1. And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am.

2. And he said, Take now thy son, THINE ONLY SON Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

''THINE ONLY SON ISAAC'' means Ishmael is no more recognized as Abraham's legitimate son. Then, how would God still talk about Muhammad, a descendant of Ishmael who He had done away with?

Besides, Jesus Gospel is God's final message to the world. No room for islam in God's plan of salvation for mankind.

Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; AND THEN SHALL THE END COME.

the Gospel is expected to be preached till the end of the world, islam is not expected.

meixili:
Brother be not angry. Turn the other cheek and love your brother for the sake of God, for it will be better for you.

It is the Bible that enjoins the Christians to turn the other cheek, the quran permits muslims to retaliate. Am afraid, by the time you are put under pressure, will you not throw away the peace you are preaching islamically?

meixili:
My brother love & peace is the way. Want for your brother what you want for yourself

I can see why you couldn't answer my question despite my repeating it.

You are too nice to be a muslim. Your belief is against islam/quran. Go through other true muslims' posts and discover the true nature of islam/muslims.

Qur'an(48:29)
Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are HARD against the disbelievers.

That is what allah expects from you. You do not belong to where you are, come out of among them and be ye separate saith the Lord and I will receive you.

truthmans2012:
I derived from your explanations that the verse in question was revealed to crush the hypocrites (neighbours) doing harms to Muslim/islam. But Jesus would not do that, He would rather preach to the hypocrites and pray for them to have a change of mind. He never raised His hands against His persecutors. That is the difference between our God and allah. Is it not so ?

@ meixili

Where is tartar na ?

meixili:
Salamalikum brother.

Let us look at this beautiful verse


يٰۤـاَيُّهَا الَّذِيۡنَ اٰمَنُوۡا قَاتِلُوا الَّذِيۡنَ يَلُوۡنَكُمۡ مِّنَ الۡكُفَّارِ وَلۡيَجِدُوۡا فِيۡكُمۡ غِلۡظَةً​  ؕ وَاعۡلَمُوۡاۤ اَنَّ اللّٰهَ مَعَ الۡمُتَّقِيۡنَ‏ 

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[9:123] Believers! Fight against the unbelievers who live around you;121 and let them find in you sternness.122 Know that Allah is with the God-fearing.123
121.

From the apparent wording of this verse, it may be inferred that only those Muslims have at first been held responsible to fight with those enemies of Islam who live near their territory. But if we read this verse along with the succeeding passage, it becomes clear that here disbelievers who are near you refers to those hypocrites who were doing great harm to the Islamic society by mixing up with the sincere Muslims. This very thing was stated in Ayat 73 at the beginning of this discourse. The command has been repeated at its end in order to impress on the Muslims the importance of the matter and to urge them to do Jihad and crush these internal enemies, without paying the least regard to the racial, family and social relations that had been proving a binding force with them. The only difference between the two commands is that in Ayat 73, the Muslims were asked to do Jihad with them, while in this verse stronger words “fight those” have been used, which were meant to impress on them that they should crush the hypocrites thoroughly and completely. Another difference in the wordings is that in Ayat 73, two different words, “disbelievers and hypocrites” have been used, while in this verse only one word, “disbelievers” has been used so that the hypocrites should forfeit all their claims as Muslims. For there was room for this concession in the word hypocrite.

122. This is meant to impress that they should not, in future, show the lenient treatment they had been meting out to them up to that time. This has already been commanded in Ayat 73 as be firm and stern with them.

123. This warning has two-fold meanings and both are implied here. First, If you show any kind of leniency towards them because of your personal or family or economic connections with them, you should know that such a thing shall be against the fear of God. For the fear of God and friendly relations with the enemies of Allah are contradictory things. Therefore, you should give these up if you desire to obtain Allah’s help. Secondly, You should scrupulously observe the moral and humane limits in doing Jihad, and in fighting against them. For you should always keep yourselves within the prescribed limits in everything. If you transgress these in any way, you should know that Allah will forsake you for He helps only those who are Godfearing.

I derived from your explanations that the verse in question was revealed to crush the hypocrites (neighbours) doing harms to Muslim/islam. But Jesus would not do that, He would rather preach to the hypocrites and pray for them to have a change of mind. He never raised His hands against His persecutors. That is the difference between our God and allah. Is it not so ?

meixili:
MashAllah. Health, strong family bonds, loving your neighbours, wanting for your brother what you want for yourself are so important.

You sound peaceful, what are you doing in islam?

Allah expects you to be brutal with your neighbour:

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

meixili:
Yes I follow his sunnah.

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I hope you are well my brother truthman, inshAllah you have good health

You follow plus the above ?

Am very well, Jesus is my strength, thank you so very much.

tartar9:
which evidence?
by quoting your bible

Didn't you see the quranic verse supporting it ?

meixili:
The Qu'ran is a manual for humans, a manual for life. Pure, uncorrupted, free of contradiction. Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him was the best man to walk on earth, and an example for all of mankind.

If Muhammad is an example for all mankind, did you follow his examples?

He married the wife of his adopted son, do you follow it?

He married eleven wives, against four permitted by allaah, which one do you follow as an example?

Muhammad was bringing people in chains to allaah, do you follow that ?

Muhammad was exchanging old wives for new ones, how many have you done?

meixili:
The Quran being the pure truth and nothing but without any crookedness nor contrdiction will give you the answer you seek.

May God deliver you.

After you have seen clear evidences, you are still saying this ?

Na wa o !!!

The Book of Genesis tells a story about Abraham. He had a wife named Sarah and a female slave, an Egyptian named Hagai. Abraham and his wife were barren and God promised them a son. But for the reason known to God, the child promised them didn't come as early as they expected. When they were advancing in age, Sarah told her husband, Abraham to sleep with their female slave so that he would not die childless. Abraham took to her advice and the result was the birth of Ishmael.

Now Ishmael was growing and God fulfilled His promise and Isaac was born. At a time, Sarah was displeased with Hagai and her son Ishmael because she said they were mocking her and she told Abraham to drive them away. Abraham was reluctant to drive them away but God intervened and told Abraham to hearken to the voice of his wife and so Hagai and her son were driven away.

But before their departure. God had given Isaac and Ishmael their divine heritage as follows:

Genesis 17
19. And God said , Sarah thy wife shall bear a son indeed and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my COVENANT with him for an EVERLASTING COVENANT, and with his SEED after him.

20. And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee (i.e Abraham's prayer): Behold I have blessed him, and I will make him fruitful, and I will multiply him exceedingly, twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

As we can see above, God's covenant for Isaac and his Seed is EVERLASTING. It cannot be shared by or transferred to Ishmael. The COVENANT is of prophethood and since then, all prophets came from his SEED (children) up to Jesus.

People argue that Ishmael too was blessed, yes. The blessing didn't include management of God's altar. It was like a father who shared inheritance to his two children saying a son should take care of his church and the other to take care of his properties. The one to take care of the properties cannot force his children to highjack management of the church.

The Quran confirms prophets were to emerge from the lineage of Isaac and Jacob, therefore if a prophet emerged from Ishmael, such an arrangement is not from.God.

[Quran 29:27] And We bestowed on him Isaac and Jacob, and We established the PROPHETHOOD and the SCRIPTURE among his seed, and We gave him his reward in the world, and lo! in the Hereafter he verily is among the righteous.

Even from.that quranic verse, any other PROPHET and SCRIPTURE emernating from Ishmael is FALSE.

hockeyoilers:
surah Al-Ahzab ayah 21 (33:21)

لَقَدْ كَانَ لَكُمْ فِي رَسُولِ اللَّهِ أُسْوَةٌ حَسَنَةٌ لِمَنْ كَانَ يَرْجُو اللَّهَ وَالْيَوْمَ الْآخِرَ وَذَكَرَ اللَّهَ كَثِيرًا [٣٣:٢١]
Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah.

Deception!!!

allaah who made Muhammad a beautiful pattern is an Arabian idol. What good did Muhammad do to be a beautiful pattern? Mention them.

ifenes:
Why was John called the beloved?

For the sake of argument, let's suppose that the New Testament is an accurate historical document and that Jesus actually existed.

1 - Jesus never got married. Indeed, there is no record of him even having a steady girlfriend. Some Biblical scholars have suggested that Mary Magdalene came on to him once (1) but he clearly did a runner because there is no evidence in the Bible that they actually got off with one another.

2 – Jesus was, however, in love with one of his disciples. We know this because at the last supper Jesus got his kit off and his boyfriend came over and snogged him in front of everybody – which was a very improper display of public affection, if you ask me.

"He riseth from supper and laid aside his garments"
John, 13:4

"Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples whom Jesus loved"
John 13.23

You keep changing from one topic to another after one has been faulted.

What are you insinuating ? John loved Jesus and he believed Jesus loved him more than the other disciples. Remember you are quoting John's own writing. Jesus loved everyone and expected love for one another.

John 13:35
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

That is lacking in islam, nowhere did allaah enjoin his faithfuls to love one another. In fact he said unbelievers should be hated. And the same muslims are shouting hate of islam everywhere.

I think you an atheist and wonder why your strong support for islam. Then I remember that the same deity that makes you not believing in God is also responsible for muslims believing in false god.

reallest:
Book of isaiah 13 verse1 This is a message about Babylon, which Isaiah son of Amoz received from God jesus.
2 On the top of a barren hill raise the battle flag! Shout to the soldiers and raise your arm as the signal for them to attack the gates of the proud city.3 Yahweh jesus has called out his proud and confident soldiers to fight a holy war and punish those he is angry with.
4 Listen to the noise on the mountains—the sound of a great crowd of people, the sound of nations and kingdoms gathering. Yahweh jesus of Armies is preparing his troops for battle.5 They are coming from far-off countries at the ends of the earth. In his anger Yahweh jesus is coming to devastate the whole country.
6 Howl in pain! The day of Yahweh jesus is near, the day when the Almighty brings destruction.7 Everyone's hands will hang limp, and everyone's courage will fail.8 They will all be terrified and overcome with pain, like the pain of a woman in labor. They will look at each other in fear, and their faces will burn with shame.9 The day of Yahweh jesus is coming—that cruel day of his fierce anger and fury. The earth will be made a wilderness, and every sinner will be destroyed.10 Every star and every constellation will stop shining, the sun will be dark when it rises, and the moon will give no light.
11 Yahweh jesus says,
I will bring disaster on the earth and punish all wicked people for their sins. I will humble everyone who is proud and punish everyone who is arrogant and cruel.12 Those who survive will be scarcer than gold.13 I will make the heavens tremble, and the earth will be shaken out of its place on that day when I, Yahweh[b] jesus[/b] Almighty, show my anger.
14 The foreigners living in Babylon will run away to their homelands, scattering like deer escaping from hunters, like sheep without a shepherd.15 Anyone who is caught will be stabbed to death.16 While they look on helplessly, their babies will be battered to death, their houses will be looted, and their wives will be raped.

17 Yahweh jesus says,
I am stirring up the Medes to attack Babylon. They care nothing for silver and are not tempted by gold.18 With their bows and arrows they will kill the young men. They will show no mercy to babies and take no pity on children.19 Babylonia is the most beautiful kingdom of all; it is the pride of its people. But I, Yahweh jesus , will overthrow Babylon as I did Sodom and Gomorrah!20 No one will ever live there again. No wandering Arab will ever pitch a tent there, and no shepherd will ever pasture a flock there.21 It will be a place where desert animals live and where owls build their nests. Ostriches will live there, and wild goats will prance through the ruins.22 The towers and palaces will echo with the cries of hyenas and jackals. Babylon's time has come! Her days are almost over.


Dats d evidence of one of his atrocity

You have no training in the Bible. You read without knowing the meaning.


Book of isaiah 13 verse1 This is a message about Babylon, which Isaiah son of Amoz received from God.

Isaiah 13;1 (King James)
The BURDEN of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz DID SEE

The whole length of narration you quoted was only a vision of THE BURDEN (not war) of Babylon seen by Isaiah about things that would happen to Babylon if they failed to repent of their wickedness.

ifenes:
Another jesus boy doing his thing here.

You guys have many problems.

What does the misbehavior of any individual have to do with Christianity ? Do you find such sinful act recommended by Jesus ? If a muslim sleep with a six years old baby girl, would you find that out of place for a muslim as Muhammad did the same ?

You never can find in this forum and anywhere a muslim being indicted for sexual indecency because it is normal with them. Nobody will consider it as news. But let a pastor r.ape a girl, there will be noise everywhere because it is not normal in Christianity. It shows the holiness that is expected from the Christians is not expected from the muslims because their God is not the same.

ifenes:
Last time I checked Jesus was only a metaphor for the Sun and twelve disciples are the 12 signs of the zodiac signs,which is why the zodiac signs are an important symbols of the catholic church. So please spare me those religious nonsense. They are meant for those who cannot think.

Fabricated assertion.

Where and what did you check

reallest:
Both Christianity and Islam are d same,Jesus did committed a lot of atrocities as well

Show me with proof.

Jesuismoi:
Hahahahaha. ..so you were ban too? I am plappville. They ban me. You are right its e-jihadists in display. The physical ones kill you when u say a thing about Muhammad or islam. The ejihad just ban you...

Don't mind them my sister.

The truth shall prevail.

Nobody, muslims, atheists, even Christians who died and had the second chance to live again ever remained the same. Based on their experience of afterlife, they repent and accept Jesus Christ. This is what we are telling the muslims that salvation is obtainable only through Jesus Christ.

ifenes:
Even when you get bashed,leave the thread for others to learn from. You are known for insulting Islam and even going as far as claiming mohhamed was a pedophile while forgetting 50% of your pastors and catholic priests are gay and pedophiles.

I have a database of sexual offenses committed by pastors and priests . Lot of it! I only gave you a few and you closed your threads? You are indeed a coward who wants to hide the skeleton of your religion(oh I forgot,your way of life lol)

Who knows if you are also a gay priest

You islamists don't know who a Christian is. Anyone who does what Jesus Christ wouldn't do is not a Christian. It was when people observed the Disciples behaving like Christ they called them Christians.

The difference between Christianity and islam is: whatever evil any so-called Christian does has no backing of the Bible. But all evils in islam is from the hadiths and quran. Allahh enjoins wickedness and promiscuity and so is his only prophet, Muhammad.