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And who is deceiving you guys that the money will EVER be paid?

This is Nigeria and Peoples pensions and salaries are still being owed.

If the govt refuses to pay, what will the court do, bludgeon them to death with a gavel?

Our country is a mess.

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Sagamite:
I don't get your logic.

What don't you get? You said if heterosexual anal. Sex were illegal in a country, anyone caught should face the full length of the law(which my even be death). . .my question, is this right?

You keep on resorting to this rubbish comparison. There is no ideological similarity or analogical ground between homosexuality and race.

It is a lame argument you should use for (and is used for) those that don't have brains in their heads. It is an insult to black people and an insult to my intelligence to be putting such fort to me.

Race is discrimination based on superiority, akin to sexism, ethnicism, ageism, fatism etc

No need to resort to dishonesty. Racial discrimination doesn't necessarily have to be about "superiority". It simply can be about hate/dislike. Same goes for ethnicism, ageism, anti-semitism etc


You dislike/hate hence discriminate. A blackman might discriminate against a mullato because he thinks he's an abomination and it has nothing to do with superiority.

Sometimes people just discriminate against others, just because they are different.

Now its for these same reasons the homosexuals are vilified, why? Because y'all think they're an "abomination", "different", "animals" etc.

Faggostism is rejection based on morality/naturalism akin to incest, paedophilia, necrophilia, buggery etc.

Being black is normal and natural without a counter-argument. Stop that lame argument.

You are the one advocating change of law, so the onus is on you to prove it is natural, at least you agree it is disgusting so no need for counter-argument.

All natural things we do exist vastly in the animal world in completely similar context. Neither homosexuality and paedophilia does.

This lame "natural" argument again.

Since when did we approve and legislate based on occurence or non-occurence in nature?

Incest, r.ape, violence and murder ALL occur in nature i.e natural why then do we frown against them?

Polygamy is rampant in the animal kingdom i.e NATURAL, why is it illegal?

Pae.dophilia sometimes occur in stoats, why not approve?

Animals have also been known to exhibit homosexuality albeit in captivity, so kini big deal?

Who cares if they did it on the moon, in a cage or under the sea, the important thing is they were attracted to an animal of the same sex. i.e they at least considered it. But the way you all are acting like such feelings dropped down from the sun and won't even be considered by an animal is baffling
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Hmm, so you are in support of people walking unclothed on the streets?

I don't see why not, we were all born na.ked, no?

Whether they practise it or not is irrelevant. Their culture and religion dictates they should oppose it in its entirety. And they follow this culture and religion rigorously in setting or supporting policies.
It aint gonna happen in Nigeria in my time, you can bet on it. The arguments are too weak and the opposition is too high. Religion is the centre of Nigeria and dictates people's opinion. And it will be so till I die, I am pretty sure on that since they can block Lagos Ibadan expressway.

You'd be suprised how culture and religion can be easily changed with rigorous campaigning.

Religion and culture of some groups support marriage of underage girls and FGM, is it any wonder how the figures have been drastically reduced.


One sometimes sweet and wonderful thing about religion is it can be twisted and moulded to accomodate anything which will even be better when the adherents are *secretly* open to the idea. The capacity of the human to deceive himself shouldn't be underestimated. From vehemently opposing evolution and the big bang earlier now You see them trying to decieve themselves that the bible or koran talks about the big bang, evolution, boyles law, genetics etc

Its already happening in christianity starting with the anglicans and very soon others will fall in line, [quote][/quote]

Nobody better delete my posts. . . . As I can't see ANY not related to this insulting topic. . . Cwell, maybe just post #8

common sense has to reign even though with religion it becomes obliterated.

nuclearboy:
Ha Tudor, e reach like that? Pele O. Okay, lets discuss your homosexuality 

Na me and you dey follow do am for that your jeep abi?

What?

Sagamite:
If you live in a country where it is found extremely disgusting and banned under the law, and it can be proven you did it, then let them enforce their laws.

Well then, does that make it right? Why didn't your "leaders of conservatism" not legislate against heterosexual anal sex since its unnatural and disgusting?

Following your logic, if you live in a country where its a crime to love a person of another race, doing so should get you punished under those laws right?

I don't argue based on religion, I argue based on logic and concrete facts.

I'm yet to see the so-called "facts". . . You argument has basically been "legislate against it because we don't like it"

Why do your leaders of "human rights" and "progressiveness" ban polygamy and nudism? Does it harm anybody?

That is the hypocrisy i'm against. Nudism and polygamy between consenting adults don't hurt anyone, why criminalize? We were all born naked, weren't we?

With time, such backward laws against personal freedoms including anti-homosexual laws would soon be thrown outta the window.

The lame comparison of gay rights to civil rights again. You are better off and more accurate to compare homosexuality to paedophilia.

Can you please show us the link between homosexuality and pae.dophilia. How they both hurt humanity and why they should be classified together.

As long as we have the Hausas and Muslims in Nigeria, I am rest assure and grateful that aint coming down to Naija anytime soon.

HAha ha ha ha ha ha. . . Dude you never hear tori of wetin dey happen up north? With all these politicians violating servant boys and co. I even read somewhere of a place/group of people in kaduna where men act all feminine and have sex with fellow men. There are even accounts of male prostitues.

Don't be rest assured bro. . .they might be more open to it than you think.

Even in SA, it is the white governments that forced it on them under apartheid, the majority do not agree with it.

I thot SA legalized gay marriage as recent as this decade?

As Africa's economic prowess grows (with corruption decreased) and with the right legislation (e.g. majority home content on media), that shite would stop.
[b]Anyway, I know for shizzle for sure it would not happen in my lifetime in Nigeria. [/b]So I am liberal and open-minded enough not to give a toss what happens after I die.

Don't count on it. .lol

nuclearboy:
@Tudor;

The originating post has not said the Haiti quake was a good thing.

Look at it this way - It happened - something good came out of it for her friends - that neither adds to nor takes from the disaster this was. People see things like this usually from a personal point of view and you can bet your a, e that almost anyone who (living in haiti with their entire family) didn't lose anyone or "anything of much value" would be ecstatic and thanking God or whatever they believe in for blessing/protecting/helping them.

Would you rather we find such and kill them to "console" those who lost everything and everyone?

Just as these thank their "God" they didn't lose, so the poster is grateful for what her friends got - without poking fun at the others!

I never said the poster shouldn't be grateful. There's nothing wrong sharing such testimony amongst your circle of friends, but to come out to the public with such trivializations of this great tragedy is insensitive.

Testifying about God saving your life is different from telling the world you got an american 'visa' because of the devastation of millions, praise the lord.

Its no different from a businessman testifying to the public thus, " I have been praying to god for a big contract, then the haiti earthquake struk and God blessed me with a contract worth millions of dollars to supply relief materials. . . .praise the lord i'm now a millionaire".

Now any haitian or someone whos been affected reads this, how'd you expect them to feel? i.e "you are profiting from our pain and rubbing it in our faces".

BTW: You keep saying you don't believe. Religion is all about belief. What are you doing here discussing "nothing" or lets call it "  " ?

Does my being here bother you? Why are you crying?

This is an insult to the 200,000 people who died and the millions more devastated.

In every tragedy/war/crisis/disaster there those who lose and people who somehow gain from the whole thing. No biggie.

But to go around gleefully announcing how God blessed you with a 'visa' because of the death of 200,000 people and the devastation of 9 million others is insensitive, sad and painful. It gives the impression God killed 200,000 people so you can get a stamped piece of paper.

The man is right on point. Adapt or get the hell out.

Sagamite:
Disgust and unnaturality is one of the basis or argument for legislating all around the world including the West, so ehh, it is a valid argument.

What kind of lame argument is that? Why not ban all unnatural things too, why stop at just homosexuality? Hell, even anal heterosexual sex should be legislated against because it's disgusting and 'unnatural'.

Bro and it is never right. Look around and people who legislate along those lines are most often than not the religious bigots. . . .last time I checked, there's a seperation between church and state.

You don't take away peoples rights just because you don't like them. They (homosexuality) hurts no-one.

Thank Goodness such archaic laws are being gradually thrown out of the window, from civil rights for minorities to abortion, death penalty(not so happy about this one) down to homosexuality.

Change is inevitable, you can't resist it. I'm sure this is the same way the KKK was acting in the 60's putting up lame arguments against racial equality and civil rights but what do we have now? A black president! I think we already have an openly ga.y prime minister (think its finland).

South Africa has already legalized that union, the gale is spreading and y'all cannot stop it.

We are not denying them a right. We are encouraging moral acts.

Morality is a constantly changing thing. What is immoral today may be moral tomorrow and vice versa.

Sagamite:
Yep, it is in Nigeria.

I have told you it is unnatural plus disgusting hence it should remain banned and you did not provide any strong counter arguments.

Being homosexual is not a right by the way.

Saying its digusting and unnatural isn't an argument.

By the way, the feeling of disgust (which is subjective) isn't a very good reason for you to deny one his/her rights.

As for unnatural, i told you many many things we as humans do are 'unnatural', why not ban them too?

DatNiggaAk:
its mainly people that have gay tendencies that support them or your moral values must be at an all time low.
most people's moral values especially in the western world are influenced by media stereotypes.

*Yawn*. . . The morality argument again.

Tell me, homosexuality is immoral ACCORDING TO WHO?

You know what, In the last millenium it was 'immoral' for a white person to have intimacy, sit or relate with a black/negro too. A white kid fraternising with blacks was considered ill brought up and lacking morals.

the gaysblacks have taken over the television and they pump images of gaysblacks into every movie, series, cartoons etc available so that kids would take it as something normal to be gayblack.

Substitute black for gay in your above write up and thats exactly what the whites were saying about your black cousins in the west. . .ironic isn't it?

there are other things that cause piles but its comforting to know that gay behind mofo's suffer from that a lot.
i mistakenly came close to a gay[b]blacks club once when i was in the UK and the place was smelling of sh.it
those mofo's are disgusting, [/b]

Sounds familiar?

Sagamite:
Personally, it is not my business what they do behind closed doors but I guess you would agree that without legislation, they would not keep it behind closed doors especially in the era of "open-to-thrash-mindedness" and "I-must-show-I-am-the-most-liberal-as-it-looks-cool" era we live in.

They would want to show affection in public (which will disgust people) and would demand not only tolerance, but acceptance.

Is it illegal for two men or two women to kiss or show affection in public?

They would demand by law to adopt kids and that school curricullums from nursery should teach kids (INCLUDING MINE) how not to be "ignorant"  , to accept homosexuality as a form of family unit and non-acceptance is non-progressive.

They would demand the inclusion of gay life in popular culture (obviously in a positive or sympathetic or both manner) so as to influence the psyche and increase the acceptance. You look at all soaps or series that is everyday life-focused and tell me which does not have gay characters everyone likes, tolerates and are amiable/lovable people. Have you ever seen an evil gay character?

So in my opinion, don't give them an inch because they would inevitably go space miles.

If they really keep it behind closed doors then they have no problem as there would not be any evidence they commited an act against the law.

You have not shown me WHY they do not have rights to these demands. . .
You don't deny people their rights just because you find it 'disgusting'. . .it aint right.

DatNiggaAk:
Sefago,
you sound like a gay to me.
are you one of them?

One doesn't have to be gay to support gay rights.

tudor,
homosexuaslity is wrong. it is certainly not a cheap shot comparing it to pe.do.philia or be.stiality.
homosexuals claim they were born that way. those people also claim they are born that way.
why should homosexuals try and deny craddle-robbers and animal fu.ckers their rights to marry kids or animals?
how do you know a kid is not consenting? are you in the kids mind or the goat/dog's mind?

Oh please, its generally accepted that children ard prone to manipulations and most times don't know what they want and hence cant make serious decisions on their own. . . . Try harder.

When you kill chicken and fowl for christmas, do you ask the fowls opinion?

Women stick everything from lamb skin condoms to polythene etc so whats new?

the good part is that homosexual men suffer from piles.most of them were pampers because their anus leak out sh.it
The veins around your anus tend to stretch under pressure and may bulge or swell. Swollen veins — hemorrhoids — can develop from an increase in pressure in the lower rectum. Factors that might cause increased pressure include Anal intercourse

Many other things cause piles.

Sagamite:
We ban alot of them. The ones that get off got off due to lower degree of disgust.

And even though it is not disgusting to you, I can guarantee you that you are some exception. It is disgusting to a vast majority of people including most gay supporters that are non-gay.

And what business is it of the vast majority what homosexuals do behind closed doors?

Does it mean with legalization, they begin to screw themselves on the street in the full glare of everyone?

Hell, even heterosexual sex in public is illegal.

Troynow:
Hell no! Homosexuality shouldnt be legalisd in Nigeria. It is like legalising murder and armed robbery. Lets not make the error of America our modernisatn.

Could you please tell us HOW homosexuality corelates with murder and armed robbery?

Sagamite:
Homosexuality is unnatural and disgusting. It should be banned based on those 2 points.

Bro we do many things that are unnatural why not ban them too?

As for disgusting. . . . puhleease!

There is NOTHING wrong with being gay, nothing!

Now the same class of people who say homosexuality is a born trait are the ones that say paedophilia is one too and I put it to you that there is proven research that a particular bodyform in humans and animals is naturally inclined to violence. So if you bring proof that homosexuality should be legalized because you claim some people are born with it, then the same can be applied to child despoil and violent crimes because it really is not these people's fault. It's an inborn instinct. Why should we persecute them for their nature?

Comparing homosexuality to pae.dophilia is disgusting cheap shot.

Paed.ophiles take advantage of little children who recognised by law have no capacity to make decisions on their own.

Violence cannot be legalised because most times the rights of the attacked are usually violated. And when such individuals prone to violence are arrested they are taken to assylums. Hell even violence in form of sports like wrestling, boxing and kickboxing are perfectly legal, why? Because its between two consenting ADULTS, a boxer who feels like going a-boxing on the streets with any random individual will be arrested for assault.

On the other hand, homosexuality between two consenting adults, who EXACTLY DOES IT HURT?

People making silly analogies just to justify their prejudice should please try harder.

[b]Then again, let's look at incest. It is illegal even when it happens between two consenting adults. Should we legalize that? Should we not? I really need your opinion on this so we can get into this discussion indepth.

As far as I'm concerned, there's nothing wrong with incest between two consenting adults (disgusting). . . It merely kicked against because of inbreeding and genetic implications/complications of which such an act is high risk.

The law doesn't just come about because a band of miscreants wake up from the wrong side of their sex. We the people have to decide what is good for the entity.

And how exactly is homosexuality bad for the "entity"? How does it hurt anyone?

Algerie ALL THE WAY!!

Mavenb0x:
Absolutely, Tudor. This is an article with a Deistic Worldview: arguing for the existence of God, and not necessarily a Christian Worldview. Maybe I will consider extending it further, although that wasn't my aim initially. Cheers.

I'm glad you agree on the rationality of deism, then. And thanks for the compliment

Em don't try and force your ideas on me please.

This line of reasoning you presented has been thrashed on NL several times and was not ready to engage on it again.

I only expected you to present a rational case for the CHRISTIAN God coz last time I checked you were no deist and even in your subsequent post alluded to the "rationality of christianity".

We're waiting. . . . .

Mavenb0x:
Absolutely, Tudor. This is an article with a Deistic Worldview: arguing for the existence of God, and not necessarily a Christian Worldview. Maybe I will consider extending it further, although that wasn't my aim initially. Cheers.

I'm glad you agree on the rationality of deism, then. And thanks for the compliment

Em don't try and force your ideas on me please.

This line of reasoning you presented has been thrashed on NL several times and was not ready to engage on it again.

I only expected you to present a rational case for the CHRISTIAN God coz last time I checked you were no deist and even in your subsequent post alluded to the "rationality of christianity".

We're waiting. . . . .

This pastor agbaje don fuckkl up big time. . . .now you see why pastor chris doesn't talk to the media coz he'll be exposed like this.

Pastor jogbaje hope you've learnt your lesson.

Man is pure flesh and blood.

chiogo:
^ So, I guess Paris Hilton is also talented? Wow, your logic is so accurate.

Duh, isn't it obvious? She's good at selling her image to the world and making cool bucks from it too. . . If you think its easy why not go do it.

Well, he can speak his Ebonics in his videos but on his show where he's supposedly being 'professional', he's still blowing away. Puhlease.

Spare me please. . . Professional? What is his profession? What do people refer to him as if not a Hip hop mogul ? From what industry did he make his name and the identity p diddy?.

Abegi! You expect a hip hop artiste to be speaking like obama? You've got to be kidding.

Success = being good at what you do and everyone being able to attest to it. Never bought his music, don't even download. 
It's not a few, when last was anybody raving about his music?. .  .umm, never. I rest my case. 

Girl, you must be joking. . . Several multi platnum records sold and you say he aint successful? Pray tell who bought those albums, aliens? A profitable clothing line and several other business interests too?

By the way, tell me, when last did diddy release an album for people to still be raving about his music?

Hmmm, this one na pure bad belle ooo.

First let me say this is the first post from you i've read in a long time.

I can help but be happy at the way you clearly put across your point without the usual long thiesis. . . .

Mavenb0x:
I begin by postulating that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, seeing that man's reach exceeds his grasp.

Let me explain for the benefit of those who don't regard God in their personal worldview.

One asks, Man's reach for what exactly? And there's another one. Man's reach for any and everything. Take any human endeavour & you will observe that there is no finality.

For instance, there are concepts like infinity, eternity, unbounded multi-dimensionality, the concept of time, the vast and untraversed universe, etc. There is more. There's always more!

What are the extents of wisdom? Man never fully appropriates the potentials of existentiality, and true wisdom in wasteless and unrestricted entirety involves an all-encompassing insight into all that was and is now extinct, all that is now, all that can be but isn't yet, and all that will never be.

We choose to attribute that finality of existentiality as one thing or agent or the other, but for me I name that Holy Grail of wisdom the mind of God.

Whether one believes in God or not is moot, but the fear (insightful &purposeful  acknowledgment) of THAT finality of existentiality, is the beginning of a journey towards the wisdom desired to be acquired.

All humans reach for more of one thing or the other, regardless of race, gender, age, worldview/religion, career description or social status. The source may be argued away by someone who has no God in their worldview, but the finality is definitely unknown. THAT finality, I refer to as the mind of God about that matter.

Every journey into THAT wisdom begins with THAT single step of acknowledgment. e.g. Can one grasp mathematics without acknowledging infinity and its numerical influence? Can one entirely express the diverse human will? Is there an ultimate end to the perfection of art, such that it could never be better? etc. Man's reach ALWAYS exceeds his grasp. The finality is the mind of God, which belongs to God.

Now to the above, I didn't see ANYWHERE you presented a RATIONAL case for God having three heads, a son, answers prayers and needs 10% of our cash all the time.

What you've merely presented is a Rational case for deism. Even a muslim or satanist can put forward this write up as a defense for his faith.

That deism is rational doesn't per force mean christianity is rational. They are two different things.

So please, provide your rational basis for CHRISTIANITY.

Mavenb0x:
C.S. Lewis (author, Chronicles of Narnia), a guy I have a lot of respect for, started along the path of atheism but he became a Christian Apologist. He had a thing for "faith according to reason" and it was thanks to J.R.R. Tolkien (author of Lord of the Rings), who eventually helped him see reason in Christianity (as much as Lewis helped Tolkien develop his fantasy-fiction in light of the Christian Gospel)!

So, as much as many atheists would claim that there is no "reasoning" in faith, more atheists are converting to Christianity, and leaving them behind! 

P.S> Whoever hasn't read Chronicles of Narnia or Lord of the Rings should please grab a hold of them (NOT the movies, which have been quite watered down), the books are heavily typed in awesome allegories of truth.

What are the figures for christians converting to atheism? Or xtians moving over to islam? Or atheists becoming muslims? . . . . I guess that shows theres reasoning and truth in atheism and islam too, right?

In other words he doesn't speak "white" english but nigga accent right? Wake up, hes in the biz of hip hop and not investment banking.

And what EXACTLY equals success?

He wouldn't be rich and well known if he wasn't good at what he does. The general consensus is that he's good, only a few think otherwise but hey, it don't matter.

And how many people who finished college have been as successful as him?

Its not about going to college, what counts is what you do with or without it.

Moi-moi, akara or gbegiri, ALL NA BEANS. . . .(sayings of our ancestors)