₦airaland Forum

Krayola:
hahahah. Love is in the air 

how come? I'm I missing something?

Krayola:
hahahah. Love is in the air 

how come? I'm I missing something?

ancel:
@Tudor Tudór : I'm happy for words but not for that reason! Thanks.

What does this mean? *scratches her hair*

[quote author=the_seeker link=topic=377025.msg5287039#msg5287039 date=1263133241]Tudor, the burden of proof is upon you. Pls give us empirical evidence that Allah is not he creator of all.[/quote]You have got to be kidding me. . . .WHERE did you study logic, the abbatoir?

ancel:
I complained because you omitted the N in my name. Who gives two scoobies about ID spellings anyway?

Evidently you do. . . If not, why complain?

@Tudór: So your name is Tudó?   Well how could I tell? I refer to people by their NL usernames and nothing else. I apologize for missing out on the accent aigue (hope I got that right) because I don't know how to insert such a character on the keyboard. But now I have copied and pasted. Satisfied? Tudór. Tudór. Tudór.

ancel. ancel. ancel.
are you happy now?

Jairzinho:
You can't possibly be female. . .  .you're too much of a troublemaker(in a largely good natured way of course   ) if you ask me .

But seriously i'm female but just a hyperactive one. . . Substitute she for he, girl for guy and her for him in all my posts then you'd get an idea of who I am.

ancel:
Tudor, I know this is getting ridiculous and I hope you realize that, too. Can we have a truce? 

P.S. And my name is Ancel. Not Acel. Acel has no meaning as far as I know.

What are you talking about?

PS: My name is Tud[b]ó[/b]r NOT Tudor.

I don't know what Tudor means.

God has nothing to do with riches and can never make anyone rich.

You can only attain wealth through a combination of intelligence, hardwork and luck!

Child;Mum, what does acel know?

Mum; NOTHING!!

IbrahimB:
There's absolutely nothing ridiculous here. In science, the natural tendency of things is not harmony but disorder! You mentioned expansion of the universe. . . do you know that before this expansion, what we had was disorder (big bang)? Science tells us that an "Isolated System" (in this case a universe without a creator) will always tend towards disorder. This is known as entropy.

I don't think the our universe is an isolated system as it were. . . . I was taught a truly isolated system does not exist. . . SOMETHING must have caused the big bang, what it is, we do not know.

The expansion you mentioned is actually slowing down, without any external force, this expansion will be at such a rate as to make life impossible.

And you have evidence to show this so-called 'slowing' is magically caused by god?

Now let me ask you some questions:

1. How is it possible that we have such a sophisticated thing as the human society with its cultures, language, tribal differences etcetera from a universe whose origins were chaotic?

Its possible during the expansion of the universe and subsequent formation, destruction and reformation of the galaxies, planets etc, life sprung up as a consequence and after millions of years of evolution for survival and voila! Man is here.

2. What was the origin of matter? Did stuff just pop up out of no where?

Science only tell us what occured after the big bang, prior to that we know nothing and it'll be immature to make uninformed views including attributing it all to an arab magician in the sky.

3. Is the idea of a Creator entirely impossible?

It's entirely possible!
In my view the idea of an external creator

(whom we don't fully understand) is more plausible and more probable than the idea that a fly could emerge out of that disorder that was the big-bang.

To me its better to say i don't know rather than believing you've got a sugar daddy in the sky.

Child: Mum is ancel using multiple Id's on Nairaland?

Mum: Honey, YES.

Child: Mum does that make him a hypocrite?

Mum; YES darling. . .

Child: is he also a criminal mum?

Mum: oh yes! And stay away from him! Such characters are EVIL!

Child: Yes mummy.

Child; Mummy are you an image consultant?

Mum; NO!

Child: what of a high-profile researcher?

Mum; oh hell no! Stay off the bong pipe darling. . .those have got nothing to do with a professional dreamer.

Child; Hmmm. . .*marvels at the wisdom of his mother*

Good luck mehn

Child; Mummy what is your profession?

Mum: Honey, i'm a professional dreamer

Child; What the fu ck?

Another deluded fellow. . . .gods of this world indeed. . .i LAUGH!

I have an atheist friend in abuja but he's freaked out about discussing his views up north and might be reluctant to meet you. . . .anyway, what'd you need atheists in abuja for?

Well Thats because cain and abel NEVER existed.

IbrahimB:
@Tudor

Tudor, we believe there's a God (or Creator if you prefer) because of what we see around and within us. The harmony inherent in creation. There's certainly an intelligence behind this all. Everything seems to be there for a purpose and everything seems to be closely and remotely working together.

We certainly know we didn't create ourselves. Most of our biological "functionings" happen automatically without us knowing: Vision, Digestion, Sleep the Nervous System et al. Any student of the biological sciences will attest to the wonder of our creation. Everything, if you observe carefully, has been carefully worked out. A slight alteration in the balance existing in the solar system, will immediately terminate all life on earth!

I believe you're very familiar with these type of arguments, and you certainly know where I'm drifting.  However, a question begs to be answered: Who made all these? Creation exhibits such a high level of advancement and degree of sophistication, that we believe, it couldn't have been by chance. If no one will see a computer (or some device) and say it happened by chance, why should we attribute chance to our own selves?

These are mere conjectures and guesses. Because of what we see around we know there's a creator? Ridiculous

Everything working together is no evidence for a creator, it only proves the workings of the universe are always towards a balance of forces as the universe expands.

We might be a consequence of such a drift towards harmony similarly if the universe needed a computer for its workings there's no doubt one will be materialised.

You've presented no reason why the universe MUST have a creator.

Lady 234:
But you would use a condom in "protecting" yourself?

Does the male condom not also "protect" the female from pregnancy and disease? What exactly is your point?

lastpage:
I want to thank "Jaymdee" for the question he asked.

It is time we Nigerians take responsibility for our actions.
You work hard for your money and one Telecoms company defrauds you of it, WHAT DO YOU DO?

COMPLAIN! LAMENT!! COMPLAIN AND LAMENT MORE!!!

When are we going to transit from that situation of COMPLAINT to the NEXT LEVEL: Taking positive action to seek redress or our Pound of Flesh

I dont know but our docility (l would have used the word "foolishness" but some people might feel insulted) seems to be the bane of most of our problems.

From Poor Governance, treasury looters, lackadaisical government employees, to treasonable Assembly members: We just swallow it and wish God would come down to play our part of the responsibility!

It may be because we are sooooooo selfish, we are even selfish to ourselves (Remember Fela even mentioned it in a song where he crooned that "Army man go slap your face, you go dey look like Monkey: Fela must have been so annoyed to say that )

Seems we can never do anything that will benefit others, then it progressed to the stage were we can even do anything that will benefit ourselves!!

For example, read  the post by "toni tone" He was defrauded twice by MTN! And all he did was complain and cough out more money! and he is not the only one, its a general behavior

Its not an individual battle but each individual must make up his/her mind that l would do whatever it takes to get justice in this land.

With the advent of GSM and Internet, its no longer impossible to associate with people you dont know but share similar values with.
Why cant users band together and "punish themselves" by saying "MTN, if you dont stop this behavior, we will boycott your Network for just one week, ( we would not call nor pick MTN related calls). l know it will cause pain to some users but MTN will feel it more as a result of lost revenue! and if it continues, we will start a campaign of general boycott of your Networks? Just one of many ways to demand what is right.

This is how changes are made through Mass, Class Action.
We dont even need to bomb their office!  

Everyone takes the Nigerian Masses for granted! WHY??

DONT JUST COMPLAIN, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT PLEASE.

Take the British Airways campaign that happened on Sahara Rptrs and Nigerian Vilage Squr (deliberately mis-spelt to avoid Seun's Spambot!) as an example. At the end, B.A realized that we could actually affect their profit and eventually came out to redress the situation and offer a pitiable re-conciliatory effort. It was small but l tell you, it was a starting point.

Why should we be defrauded on internet services which are almost free in other countries? Why is Nigeria always different?
Even a whiteman with a conscience would come here and become a fraud, aided by fellow Nigerians!

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

From Yardua to the National Assembly, from Fraudulent Network providers to PHCN, from Contractors that collect Money and abandon the job to Policemen that collect "illegall #50 taxes" on the road, we've had enough.

Lets talk to ourselves and regroup to TAKE ACTION (not just talk, talk) to save ourselves or else, WE ARE DOOMED FOREVER

Just my own ten cent.

We've got MTN and GLO but with talk like this, as far as nigerians are concerned you're on OYO network i.e On Your Own.

Dude no need to be diplomatic, Nigerians are indeed FOOLISH.
They'll settle for mediocrity. . .Look at Nollywood and the shitty things they produce yet you see nigerians bragging about being the third largest industry, . .Me sef don tire.

Lets join hands and prevent this potentially catastrophic global warming. . . Even the racist crazy-heads are welcome to join too!

What EXACTLY is this thread discussing?

Shiit happens. . . . All you can do is move on.

olabowale:
Tudor, do you know if Oxygen exists and what is the vastness of its existence? Give me dimensions, etc, weight. Then have you seen it before? If you have not seen it, why do you take it that it is in existence except the effect of it that you feel? Give me emperical evidence that Oxygen exists?

Alhaji, every mo.ron knows oxygen can be collected, contained, measured, tested and manipulated in a lab. . .no be today, e don tey!

olabowale:
@tudor: « #21 on: Today at 07:16:34 AM »  of the bolded, enough of your ignortance, mister. if the people are making fool of you, lying to you by calling you a woman, am not ashamed to call you what you are, man! you dont even know which brain you are using to think, big or the other, or you buried the big one in the sand.

do you think you have came out of nothing? are you nothing, or the people whose bloods flow in your veins you are going to tell us came out and therefore nothing? they will be happy to hear thatr from you, so that they can quickly turn you out, divorce you from the family and demand that you return their names to them. then as a lonely man, you will become an illegitimate man (i hope you know that it is your stupidity that am attacking here, and nothing else, hopefully your brain can take the meaning; you came out of nothingness?!), with no lineage, whatsoever! even the monkeys you claim that you came from have defined lineage, and specie identity!

What is ALL this rubbish?

whatever you think you came out of, do you think it is not created? What is creation but make? everything made has a maker? Who is your Maker, Tudor? The earth you reside on, did you think it just happen to occur without its Master Producer? You will be hungry soon; what you will eat, the plants and animals of that meal, do you think they have no Master Producer?

bla BLA BLA

What IS YOUR EVIDENCE ALLAH IS THE SO-CALLED 'MASTER PRODUCER'?

Why should i believe allah is my maker? Do you have proof of this?

IbrahimB:
@Tudor

What would you regard as a good evidence for the existence of God?

Empirica Evidence that shows without a doubt Allah is the creator. . . And it should be testable/verifiable

have you GOT IT?

muhsin:
Its you who should do that, for obviously you lack anything like literacy.

BTW, enough of your ignorance. I "rest" my case.

Illiterate. . . Who designed the human face on Zuma rock, eh?

muhsin:
Whenever it involves Creator and creation this misguided lady is phenomenally blind to reason. And everyone could notice this. Pity.

HA! Reason indeed. . .what a misnomer.

Go back to school abeg.