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Finally. . . .someone with discretion.
Don't bother reading those links they prove nothing.

Deep Sight:
Fair enough Tudor. On another note, what do you have to say about the allegations that you are in fact Huxley.

Because Huxley opens lots of threads, many of which have few responses, and for you this could be your outlet?

My goodness!
I can't believe you saw that funny thread
It's safe to assume you go back reading buried threads, right?

Okay now, what do you think?
Do you suppose i'm huxley?
Are we similar in any way or what coz i don't understand the basis for the allegations.

Thank you EarthCall (i love that name), no be today we sabi say oyedepo na bastard liar.

Deep sight, you believe in the "spiritual realm" right?
Can you describe the relationship between the spiritual realm and time and space if they have any.
Do they interact?
If the spiritual does exist i'm sure it can be used to study this phenomenom (astral projection et all)

One would think  just like elasticity and breaking point, it'll get to a stage where increase in speed is impossible to protect the TS continum. . .it'll be lovely if this can be scientifically replicated though.
One question, is it possible to conceive a world without the time concept?

Deep Sight:


But you have this way of ignoring the lines of reasoning i give you (like above), and then reappearing two days later screaming "where is your proof."

You're lines or reasoning aren't always valid you know.

Tudor, show me a fossilized Giraffe with a neck at an intermediate length of today's Giraffes, if you can.

I'll get to digging my backyard to see if I can find one for you. . .

Deep Sight:
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These are names people ascribe to the creator.

An uncaused cause is definitely the creator.

Does it matter if in the process they begin to imagine other attributes and ascribe such to the creator?

Would that change the fact that they are talking about the First Mover?

Yes it does change. If you talk about a cause and stop there no problems but when you start adding extra baggage you talking about a whole 'noda thing that exists in your imagination.

As a side note, "the creator" implies deliberate, intentional and intelligence, right?. That is what religions propagate and we're yet to see proof.

Importantly - would that first mover cease to exist merely because they mis-characterized him?

God, allah, zeus or whatever isn't the first mover. God, allah or zeus don't exist.

Listen to yourself closely: Tudor: "Since Michael's description of the wind is wrong, contradictory and evil, then the wind does not exist"

? ? ? ? ? ?

If micheal describes the wind as flowing invincible water sent forth by two mountains having sex, then what micheal has described doesn't exist. Simple.

Deep Sight:
O comon, naughty you Tudor, we have spoken repeatedly of a formless element comprised of the singularity of space and time. we have also sought to use examples of genetics and logic to show that the originating quantity possesses intelligence.

Not we but you, and you failed woefully I might add.

There you are: God, Brahman, Orisha, Chineke, Allah, whatever you like!
Man made distortions through religion are irelevant!

Whether you admit it or no they are not all the same thing. The cause of the universe is very different from the variety of names you mentioned above. They are purely religious concepts and do not exist.

Deep Sight:
O thank you! That's very kind of you, i admit, the "blinding ignorance" comment did prickle me quite a bit. I also apologize if i was deliberately heavy-handed in my response, thanks man!

Oh thou faint hearted lawyer. . .i've been hit with worse. . .

e4emma:
Im sory 2 say dat its quite alarming at d rate at which d devil has been able 2 brainwash so many pple.but come 2 think of it i ve few question 2 d SO CALLED ATHIEST among us .1)how did man come into existence, 2)aw did nature into existence, 3)y does some things luk bad and absurd, 4)aw do miracles come about, 5)aw do witches come abt and dnt u think dey ve a superior?, 6)do u believe satan exist, 7).y r some pple very bad nd some goom and finaly, what happens after death?, pls i wnt u 2 answer with all sincerety.

How old are you?

Deep sight what is this original ideas banter you keep heckling? Can you explain better, giving examples of your own "original ideas"? Merci.

Image123:
It's such a pity that I'm not currently well chanced to be on nairaland. It is now obvious that you do not see past your fellows' faith. I thought with the way huxley emboldened and coloured Jeremiah 19v9, it'll be easy for you to see. But your issue is not spiritual eye defects, it is spiritual blindness. Let me sing it for you, hopefully you're not spiritually deaf. Jeremiah 19v9 talks of a siege. The inhabitants of Judah were to be so besieged by their enemies that they'll experience terrible famine. You can see 2kings6 v24-29 for something similar. That's what can happen in terrible times. Quit your ideas of God telling people to eat babies.

Sharaap jor!
You're so insanely concerned with phantom spiritual sight that you fail to use your eyes. In that jerimiah 19 how many times did you see the word I? Even the verse nine that talks about the cannibalism, it starts with "I WILL" meaning "god will". So your god clearly boasts and takes responsibility for the seige and cannibalism (what a wicked entity). Stop lying for jesus!

Image123:
And Tudor, even if BinLaden were to give out a billion dollars to the needy, there'll still be fault with him. Why? Because his foundation is wrong.
  I wouldn't live in the beautiful edifice knowing that the foundation is faulty. The truth you don't know and which might be difficult for many to swallow, is this; we're living in a time when God commands us to love. Our love is from God. The time is coming when we'll come with Christ Jesus and destroy the NATIONS that do not believe in God (Rev 19:14-16). We'll do it, because it's from God, the firm foundation. We know the winning side already, that's why we're in it and begging you now to join. All this wave of emotion that you're living in, is what it is, a wave. You cant buy it, can't keep it, can only see it. Pretty vain man

So you're not only heartless but also an aspiring militant? . . . .keep deluding yourself about you and jesus gyrating in heaven.

Deep Sight:
Poster: save yourself the stress and look at it this way:

You do not need to believe in the existence of the Abrahamic God.

But at all events, something caused the universe to come into existence, and that something clearly manifests attributes of intelligence and power.

That something also clearly contains all the elements of all that exists; both good and evil.

So God, understood rightly, definitely exists.

You came to know this during a vigil at the Himilayas mountains, right?
We're still waiting for you to prove the nature of god you mentioned above.

Atheism is the positive denial of the existence of God.

It is not doubt as to his nature. That is more in line with agnosticism.

So please stop going around calling yourseld an atheist on the grounds that God as defined  by religion is contradictory or even wicked. That we do not understand the uncaused cause does not invalidate its existence.

Contemplate the universe. Can you fathom it?

O. . . you cannot, right? . . . Does your failure to fathom it mean that it ceases to exist?

Bingo!

God is purely a religious concept. It was originated by religions and should scientists discover the force that set in motion the reaction for the universe they can call it something else. Just like when religions said evil spirits cause disease when louis pasteur discovered germs (the real cause) did he name it evil spirit or germs? Both are said to cause disease by different parties that doesn't make them the same thing. That germs cause diseases doesn't automatically make it evil spirit so also the cause for the universe isn't necessarily god.

So yes, he can rightly call himself an atheist by rejecting the gods of religions.

Bobbyaf:
@ tudor

Every synthetic drug carries side effects.

Insulin carries terrible side effects, and allow me to mention a few. It increases dangerous levels of cholesterol and triglycerides that damage the heart and blood vessels. Some others include severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue); changes in vision; chills; dizziness; drowsiness; fainting; headache; increased heartbeat; increased hunger; loss of consciousness; nervousness; seizures; sweating; tremor; weakness.

I could go on. Incidentally I once managed a medical lab in a hospital, and I know of the dangers of administering insulin in patients. I used to see what happens to certain patients suffering form the side effects of such a drug.

This is a lie.
The so called side effects are consequences of misuse of insulin and not because the insulin is synthetic. Too little or too much gives those effects. Infact patients who produce too little or too much of the natural insulin have these same exact consequences.

You're getting there you say?  Trust me the matter under discussion about how life started is way too critical for those who inadvisedly use tricks and deception and brand it as science. The theory of the TOE is still a theory, and has been tweaked and tweaked for so many years now, that one wonders what to think of those who keep tweaking. As a matter of fact honest scientists are coming out of the closet and are discrediting the whole theory.

We've heard this same stuff before. when galileo postulated the earth revolves around the sun and not the other way round he was accused of playing tricks with his telescope. Now we know better. Like I said, we're getting there.

davidylan:
This is absurd, you clearly did not understand the analogy. The Board of Education has got the answers to the questions they are asking right? why bother to set the exam then? why not just let the students have the answers instead of condemning a few to failure?

That is precisely what "atheist" wants. It has NOTHING to do with the "nature" of the education board.

What is absurd is you choosing to make that analogy and sure enough you can't use it without comparing the nature of god and that of the exam board and purpose of both god and the board.
Are you now telling me god is just there to present us with trials and tribulations to know who is worthy?

Read his post, he didnt find any truth . . . he simply got tired of trying to avoid sin and made up a good excuse. Ditto for most of you.

Oh yes he did. He found out organised religion and the gods they propagate are non-existent and that is the truth. Like I said earlier, how he found out is irreleavant.

davidylan:
It only makes "sense" to your fallen desire to continue in sin. Your problem here is that you want to shift the burden for righteous living to God . . . afterall if He's all knowing (which He is irrespective of your own problems) He shld simply prevent you from sinning.

sorry but that is frankly absurd. So shld the board of education simply write the entrance exams for you since they know some will still fail anyway? [/b]What is the point of reward then if you expect God to do it all for you?

Did the board of education claim to be all merciful, loving, ominipotent and creator of all?
If the EDU board is ominipotent they'll probably know what exactly you need to learn to solve all future problems and cut out the useless bit of info you'll never need to save you the stress.

bottomline . . . [b]you're not an atheist at all because you have NO rational reason to be one. you've simply taken the easier way out . . . since you cant imagine doing without sin you simply latch unto the easiest excuse - oh there cant be God anyway.

It doesn't matter if he became an atheist by smoking marijuana, the important bit is he found the light of TRUTH -which is religion is one big farce!

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Yeah you wish, right?

noetic2:
what an amazing quality of IGNORANCE. 

Don't listen to noetic. . . .him na deluded man. . .

GODSON2009:

na wa for this muslim mujahideen o , if you r not afraid and ashamed of your islamic religion and prophet mohammad,then dont hide behind another username and pretend as if you r an atheist to throw the scent of you and avoid answering the many contradictiopns and lies upon lies in the quran, you dont see us hiding behind multiple usernames do you.

your very first post gave you away, an atheist will not hang on to one single point especially trinity,the issue you have raised has been the sore point with islam and the adherents,and you have betrayed yourself with that

Do you have tangible evidence?

Image123:
BTW, 20000 cartons of noodles and turkey that have expired/spoilt is worth a lot to humans. Destroy such and you may well be on your way to a much coveted national award. But what is man, that God is mindful of Him. The whole earth and it's inhabitants is LESS THAN nothing to God. But God is mindful of man because of what is called 'grace'. Now, I shouldn't go above the syllabus.

In other words Hitler123, the lives of innocent babies and children are as worthless as expired noodles and turkey to you and your god. . .thanks for confirming your stupidity and your level of psycopathic delusion.

This is what happens when schizophrenics allow an imaginary boss control their lives. You'll say ANYTHING to defend the barbarism in the not so holy bible.

Image123:
@Tudor
With all the money spent on you at is it covenant university or where did you call it, english is stil proving difficult for you to grasp? Look at the devil is doing to you. sorry. You don't need all this sentiments in sharing your atheist faith. In the post you quoted, where did you see me comparing 'innocent babies and little children' to noodles and turkeys?
  I gave you a case/example of where we humans destroy our spoilt goods/belongings. I told you the earth belongs to God and all the inhabitants. He can take out anything that displeases Him or corrupts His creation.

Mr Hitler123 is that not comparism? Or is it you money was wasted on his education.

If Osama bin laden were here he'd compare the lives of  allah's infidels (9/11 casualties) to spoilt noodles and turkeys like you did and claim he was right to get rid of them for allah coz they corrupt his chosen people in the middle east just like you stupidly claimed.
Fanatics like you are a shame and danger to humanity.

Bobbyaf:
But look at the side effects? I am not arguing whether or not synthetic proteins or any form of proteins for that matter, can be made.

What side effects are you talking about?

Does insulin have any side effects for diabetics? Even using natural proteins inappropriately is bound to cause toxicology.

Thats speculation! Science doesn't deal with could, and since no one could have measured what happened back then, then its pointless speculating.

That is why science moves from hypothesis to verification then conclusion. We're getting there. Ascribing it to some heavenly magician isn't the way to go.

Which came first in cells, the membrane development or the biomolecules; DNA or proteins? Cannot you see the illogic of the big bang theory, and how it led to the development of the cell structure? A cell does not up and build itself in bits, and then finds itself waiting on further development as time moves on. For a cell to live and maintian itself it has to have all the parts ready for development. DNA, and RNA need to be present for living proteins to be made. You see the chance theory allows for trial and eror, which a cell does nt have as a luxery.

Wrong again. Those cells that are equipped survive and reproduce others die. Besides the cell didn't just evolve DNA for the fun of it, it was in response to changes in environmental conditions. The environment drives these changes. . .so says the theory.

Bobbyaf:
@ Tudor

Don't confuse the proteins. And do not overlook the fact that our cells do not make synthetic proteins. There are synthetic amino-acids that can be isolated in a lab, or what we call D-isomers, but they cannot be used by the body to make real natural proteins that function in the cells.

Bear in mind that the attempt so far, as it relates to making synthetic proteins, has not gone beyond that. So in the context of cellular processes which are countless, don't expect synthetic proteins to function as natural proteins would do.

That they've failed so far
doesn't mean its impossible. Years ago, production of synthetic enzymes or hormones useable by the body was non-existent today even atheletes use them for doping. Besides aren't enzymes and hormones proteins?

Besides, since scientists tend to associate natural forces with how the first cell began, and since natural forces could not have produced D-isomers that can only be separated in a lab, then your reference to synthetic proteins is irrellevant, and void.

This is wrong. Natural forces could well have been producing D-isomers then which evolved as time goes on in cells due to environmental conditions. According to the postulation , Natural conditions now are quite different from what was obtainable then. For instance life was said to have been formed in the primordial soup. . .you don't find primordial soup in every womans pot these days, do you?

Bobbyaf:
I have done labs in which I had to make amino acids by degenerating proteins. Normally you come up with  two kinds of amino-acids in a lab. Certain biomolecules exist as mirror images of themselves, and are grouped into being left and right molecules. In nature the left ones make proteins.

So if I were to isolate the D-isomers and find a way to make them bind I'd probably be able to make synthetic proteins.

So you see, proteins don't necessarily need DNA  afterall.

Lets hope mugabe can be rid of so the people can live a normal life.

FBS:
Free world my foot. Should they because of one person make the whole country suffer? This is nothing but vendetta.
Democra[b]Z[/b]y (yes that's what it is) is not meant for all countries. . .at least not in the way the West sees it. It doesn't happen that way.

You're looking at it wrongly. Mugabe is making his people suffer and not the west. Is it the west who's rigging elections?
Is the west responsible for the human rights abuses?
He claims there's no money but imports billions in weapons from china and throws larvish birthday parties.

What the west have done is they simply refused to trade with mugabe and rightly so because the state treasury is his private bank account. Last time I checked it was not by force to trade with anyone. Mugabe trumps up neocolonialistic conspiracy theories to excuse his failings, he calls the west devils and vampires. . . .he should be happy not to have anything to do with the "vampires" afterall he can trade with the SADC, iran, russia or even china where he bought his weapons instead he's crying because america doesn't wanna play with him. . . .how stupid is that for a self confessed hater of the west?

No to human rights abuse!!
No to election rigging!!
No to tyrrany!!