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This is all speculative and ambigous. The arguments by the theists so far point to the universe having began to exist it does not prove god or creation.
Infact for all we know there might be billions of other universe out there.
The universe as we know it now might be a continuation of a previously uncreated body that imploded. . . .can't it?

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=316436.msg4449513#msg4449513 date=1251596725]seriously, what part of "take everything with a grain of salt" do you and Todor not understand?

what's my business with whichever religion someone decides to leave or stay in? I dont take those kinds of internet postings that serious  and I suspect you're either confusing me with someone or wishing I was someone for reasons best known to you.

Am I clear, do you need it broken down further, or you prefer to wallow in your self deceit?[/quote]See how you're desperately trying to justify your hypocrisy. . . . . Who'd you think you're deceiving?

How many of your posts or replies have you added as a disclaimer "I take this with a grain of salt" ?
Its here when it involves an atheist that you conviniently remember you're a doubting thomas. . . .not suprising is it?

Deep Sight:
yes, something is actually the default: the something thats the ultimate cause as defined above

How does this something constitute god?

[quote author=tpiah* link=topic=316436.msg4448413#msg4448413 date=1251576265]dementia isnt too far from you people.

Tudor, Bindex and others of like mind, pull up any thread where I've done any of the things you're claiming here.


couple of schizos.


Unlike you, my philosophy doesnt consist of cheap publicity on the web.[/quote]sharrap there jor!
Hypocrite!

mactao:
Here's what the Bible says:

Mark 16
16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

If you believe in Jesus, then you can do that. You don't have to be a pastor.

This is pure and absolute rubbish!
If this crap you've written works common malaria wouldn't be killing people in nigeria. . . .infact hospitals will go out of business!

How many people have you healed with your delusions?

[quote author=tpiah* link=topic=316436.msg4448253#msg4448253 date=1251574135]you really need to watch your mouth- madness cant be too far away from you at any point in time, from what I'm seeing.

I know mazaje is your partner in the underworld religion but you still have to live among normal humans, so try to remember you havent reached nirvana yet. Na for earth you still dey.

While you're at it, try to ask yourself why you need to blow up over my post? Take a long deep breath and analyze yourself.



let me requote- see if your comprehension skills are up to par.

from tpia:

OP


take everything and everyone on NL with a grain of salt.

Its the internet for crying out loud- why are you surprised?


some people post with multiple ids here. The ardent Christian can also be the fervent muslim/atheist on another thread, or even the same one. etc etc.






now look again at your response and make sure you're not smoking crack while doing so.[/quote]YES and I repeat again IF IT WERE A CHRISTIAN recounting some ridiculous testimony you wouldn't bring this issue about multiple id's, bipolarity and what not. It's only because he's an atheist and thats when you feel the need to advice caution. You're just trying to discredit him. . . You're such a hypocrite!

Good one mazaje!
Keep it coming. . .
I can relate to your story in that my dad is also a muslim but just didn't care about islam or god at all. . . Infact I just called him today and asked if he was fasting he was like mess ramadan!
My mum was in charge when it came to religion and she was a very very dedicated christian and wasted no time shipping us all to mission schools telling me in particular that god showed her a vision about me revolving around Isaiah 54:13 and I will serve the lord and bla bla bla. . . .even at that young age I knew this was all crap.

[quote author=tpiah* link=topic=316436.msg4446941#msg4446941 date=1251560385]OP


take everything and everyone on NL with a grain of salt.

Its the internet for crying out loud- why are you surprised?


some people post with multiple ids here. The ardent Christian can also be the fervent muslim/atheist on another thread, or even the same one.

etc etc.[/quote]What the hell is this nonsense tpiah?
If it were a christian narrating how jesus took him to the clouds and showed him jerusalem you wouldn't be running your mouth stupidly like this. . . . Rubbish!

No2Atheism:


I always knew America was interfering in Haiti because Whites are still annoyed that blacks slaves in Haiti had the audacity to take control of the country out of the hands
of the colonial masters. However i never knew they went as far as deporting a sitting president to another nation.

@caps28.

I completely lost my respect for Tudor the moment he started arguing that Messiah of the bible was white, this was because he claims to be an atheist, yet he still believes the Messiah was white. Despite that he has no reference for such a stand other than what he has been taught in the past as regards a White Messiah.

@topic


- Yes Mugabe is corrupt, nevetheless a corrupt mugabe is still better than an imperial white nation.
- The last foiled mercenary coup in Equitorial Guinea is the example that Whites are still actively carrying out their imperialistic tendencies in African and most of the world where there are resources which they seek to exploit.


Any white man holding land ownership illegally in africa i.e. by inheretance should be relieved of the land and deported, i have nothing against any white man who actually bought the land. However i am totally against any white man who inherited stolen land.

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- Repatration to Africa is probably part of the reasons why Abiola was killed, cus i think part of his personaly views is that repatration should be done.

- Its unfortunate the most African leaders are more or less western puppets hence i am not suprised that non of them is pushing through the repatration concept.

@Tudor
Demand for repatration by Africa is not wrong and neither is it a sign of being without initiative, considering the so called developed countries have likewise requested and accepted the same. Hence you logic as concerned repatration is a little bit flawed.

Look at this jesus freak, what the hell does your respect mean to me?. . . . . I tell you what, it means shit!
You claimed jesus was black because "the creator" told you so -
what is that?
You and cap28 can continue waiting for cash restitutions in the UK. . . . What happened to all the trillions in debt relief given to africa?
Only an ignorant person will believe reparations will solve africa's problems. . . . The same tyrannical buffoons like Mugabe who y'all love will embezzle the funds.
Africa has no excuse!
We've had several chances to develop with all the oil booms, increase in prices of minerals and so on but leaders like mugabe and co keep dragging us back to the stone age.

Even if you want to be a tyrant or life president at least run your economy well, invest and improve the life of your people and no one would mind if you're undemocratic or not. . . . Look at russia, dubai, saudi arabia and others the majority of people aren't complaining as long as they have a good life. African leaders are to blame for our problems quit holding the west to ransom all because you want to beg for compensation like a common dog.

They are NOT christians but RCCG senior pastors. . . .how sad!

cap28:
i see that your trying to mimic my writing style by regurgitating some of the insults i used on you - i forgive you as i know that your [b]intellectual ability [/b]is on a par with a toddler,

Sorry I didn't seek to insult you but to reveal your hypocrisy of also being guilty of all the vile names you called me. . .

I pity the fool who measures intellect by ones ability to insult.

however i have taken the time to attach some links that might enlighten and hopefully educate you (maybe im being too optimistic)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit_Man 
http://www.inteldaily.com/?c=170&a=4733


with regard to the loans - im afraid i cant explain how that works to you again - i dont care how slow your brain is at processing information!

Is this all you can bring?

I laugh!
Why not go to mugabe and get more propaganda. . . .

India!!!!! - a country ravaged by crippling poverty (42% living under the poverty line and 46% of their children suffering from malnutrition) disgusting and immoral caste system, disgusting and predatory labour markets and sweat shops with people surviving on less than $1 a day and HUGE corruption problems - please go away and read some books (if you can concentrate for long enough)

And your point is?
India has made giant strides just like china in terms of development and economy while lazy africans like you are still waiting for cash restitutions. . . . Keep deluding yourself!

cap28:
well since you and the west want to claim the moral high ground and label mugabe a tyrant - how about all the other tyrants who remain in africa and other parts of the world today?  Saudi arabia is run by a murderous dictatorship - but i dont see america complaining, how about omar bongo of gabon - who gave the french oil company Elf  indefinite rights to exploit his countries vast oil reserves and in return was allowed to retain his iron grip on power indefinitely (41 years to be precise)  without the threat of "external interference" ( french backed overthrow), what about america's favourite african tyrant - mobutu who was in office for 32 years and who murdered thousands of his people and appropriated millions amassing a personal fortune of over £20billion,  i dont remember the international community calling for his removal,  the truth is the west pick and chose their tyrants - todays tyrant could be tomorrow's bosom buddy its all about "economic self interest"  ,  Saddam was a murderous tyrant who gassed his own people using biological weapons sold to him by the US, but they still propped up his regime, it was only when he started getting above his station by invading oil rich kuwait that he needed to be slapped down and of course last but not least your very own nigerian dictator Yar adua who uses the nigerian military as his own private death squad to kill, rape and maim niger delta militants -  why isnt britain and america saying anything about that or could it be because of the lucrative oil and gas contracts that might be jeopardised?

Sorry first am an AFRICAN and I couldn't care less if the west are hypocrites. . . . Tyrants like mugabe need to be weeded out of our continent whether by hook or crook.

I stand the moral high ground as a citizen and would welcome any influence be it from hell that'll rid us of corrupt and inefficient life presidents.!

i dont expect you to understand that the western corporate media is owned by elite groups who have vested business interests in the government - they are propaganda machines used as instruments of MIND CONTROL, hapless victims like you are constantly manipulated and teleguided by the half truths, ommissions and lies that these organisations churn out, they tell you what to think, how to think and then they decide who you should consider as an enemy.   Most people with an iota of common sense have understood that the media institutions are in the pocket of the western govts but i dont expect someone of such low mentality like you to be capable of critical thought.

Again I ask you to go open your own media outlet so we can hear the "truth". . . . In doing so at least you'll get some fellow retards to share your tactless whinings with.

for your information countries like britain and the US were built on the sweat and blood of african slaves - so if i decide to live in the UK it is my right and prerogative to do so, if whites can boldly go to africa, murder and brutalise africans then seize their land and then have their own foreign govts protect them from justice then surely it would be ludicrous to suggest that someone like myself who is a law abiding tax payer should be prevented from living and working in a country who owes its wealth to the toil of my ancestors.

I still maintain that you're a HYPOCRITE!
If you consider the west the enemy why live and pay tax there?
Is it not your tax they use to threaten and topple govts? Suffice to say you're the problem with africa afterall you fund the vampires, right?

Why not go to buckinham palace or westminister and claim the place since it was built with your father's blood. . . .rubbish!!

was the seizure of zimbabwean land "done rightly" by  your western white masters? since when did a thief have the right to plead that they have not received justice.  If i barge into your home uninvited, rape your wife, kill your children and take over your home and you retaliate by coming back with a gun to take back your home from me, do i have the right to turn around and say that you have treated me unfairly? since when were theifs accorded the same rights as law abiding citizens, house negros with slave mentality such as yourself are a disgrace to our race - you are incapable of logical thinking because your brain has been completely destroyed by years of brainwashing by your white master.

You are the real disgrace!
It's angry morons like you who keep living in the past and refuse to work towards a brighter future for africa. . .
I'm sure you're part of the dim wits waiting and campaigning for cash retributions to compensate for slavery, keep waiting for the dollars. . . .lazy Arrow!!

The right thing for mugabe to have done is to make sure those who got the land at least knew how to farm commercially!
Instead  typical of corrupt african leaders he decided to allocate them to his zanu-pf cronies. . .what a shame!

again more ignorance - land reform is the main reason why the west ganged up against him.  do you think the west care about the so called human rights abuses being perpetrated against black zimbabweans - after independence the whites were only concerned about retaining their position of economic dominance - hence thier insistance on retaining 20% of the voting power in that country during the lancaster agreement, please get it into your thick skull - currency devaluation is a direct result of massive trade embargoes imposed by your western slave masters - if there is anyone to have any greivance against it is your western slave masters and not Mugabe.  please list to me the "lucky" countries that have been on the receivign end of economic trade embargoes and have flourished - actually i know you wont know but ill enlighten you as to the damage these sanctions cause:

iraq - since 1990  6,000 children died monthly as a direct result of trade sanctions imposed by the US (source UNICEF)

Haiti - since 1999 impostion of US sanctions - deaths of over 1,000 children a month (malnutrition, other diseases)

Cuba - sanctions imposed since 1962 have led to financial earnings  in excess of  US$70billion   

here is a quote from one of your white slave masters before the passing of ZDERA in 2001: 

In his testimony to the US Senate in September 2001, ahead of the passing of the US sanctions, the so-called Zimbabwe Democracy and Economic Recovery Act, former US Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs Chester Crocker called for the annihilation of the Zimbabwean economy.
Crocker said, "to separate the Zimbabwean people from Robert Mugabe, we are going to have to make the economy scream. And I hope you, Senators, have the stomach for it."


unlike you,  i dont need to resort to abusive language in order to put across my point - i understand that it is due to your limited vocabulary and non existent intellectual ability, i only thank god that retards like you are limited to working in macdonalds and cleaning toilets in the seychelles if that is where you really are

What strikes one about these highlighted countries? Iraq had a tyrannical and corrupt military dictator while haiti had one of the most corrupt regimes!

Why aren't thousands of kids dying and starving in cuba despite the sanctions for over 50 years? Infact cuba has a better public health system than the US! The cuban government puts it's people as its number one priority, mugabe prefers to celebrate larvish birthday parties, import billions in weapons from china while ordinary zims starve and common cholera wipes out hundreds of people. . .

Sanctions are no excuse!  Cuba is doing okay, iran is surviving.
Zimbabwe used to be a great exporter of food, Mugabe screwed up his countrys economy without that the sanctions wouldn't have much effect.

cap28:
can i have examples of these successful CONTINENTS or would that be expecting too much from someone with such a crude and simplistic understanding of the world. 

secondly im very sure you have never studied the history of the african continent and therefore it would be futile for me to point out to you that the current political and economic crises being experienced in africa today are as a  direct result of covert and in some instances overt western interference.  the code word used here is "friendly countries " which really means puppet countries , countries which seek the right to their own self determination and have left wing ideologies ie dont want to open up their markets to the west, devalue their currency, cut public expenditure and remove trade barriers are labeled "unfriendly" - but im sure all this is going way over your head!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WRONG!!
You've obviously not studied the history of the African continent. . . . Political and economic problems in africa today are caused by corruption, tribalism/ethnicism, religion inept and selfish political leaders like mugabe, ghadafi, bongo e.t.c.

Quit crying over spilt milk, we were colonised, get over it and move on!!!!

hello? hello? the lights are on but nobody seems to be at home!!!!!!!!! these loans are actually IMPOSED on african countries because they are used to hold african countries to ransom,  whenever the beneficiaries default on the payments (which they are encouraged to do as it gives the west carte blanche to do whatever they want with the recipient countries natural resources and economy), the economies of these countries are then systematically hijacked and remodelled to suit the selfish economic interests of the creditor countries (the US)   but get this - so called third world leaders who resist this arrangement  are usually threatened by what are known as foreign  economic hit men who give them a choice - take on these crippling loans with draconian conditionalities and extortionate interest rates that can never be paid off or face overthrow of your regime by the CIA. so you see its a win win situation for the west and a no win situation for third world economies.  -  you see Tudor you are too ignorant and naive to  understand the real world of international politics so you retreat into this your little juvenile world where for you as long as the boss is white he's always right!!!!!!!!! you poor thing

You're such an embarrassing joke!
You just throw around baseless conspiracy theories, I guess you received special invitations to the meetings when the americans were planning their "enslave Africa again" agenda there they told you of their "covert" operations - what a sicko! .

I would say that you're being as juvenile as a 7 year old who believes aliens are coming to take over the world because he saw an eclipse.

Question, If you take a loan and can't repay, whose fault is that?
If the corrupt african leaders like mugabe used the money to develop their nations would they have problems with debts?
Money multiplies, you invest it it grows! They prefer to stash it in personal accounts, celebrate birthdays, marry new wives, build mansions, rig elections and import weapons to kill the people.
There is no excuse for their failures. . . . It's purely stupid and lazy to blame the west like you're doing.

yes malaysia has good leadership and as a result has enjoyed economic prosperity, but[b] this has been acheived through a concerted effort of the malaysian people to unite against their common enemy[/b] - i m not disputing the fact that we have poor leadership - however most of us are bogged down with petty inter ethnic discrimination which is exploited by the west and prevents us from uniting to defeat the common enemy.

Oh If you have a weakness that is being exploited whose fault is that? Poor leadership then who's fault is that?
Your rants are baseless and you have no point.

malaysia invested in its people, india and singapore are doing the same. . . . Infact india is also multi ethnic yet they are working together to move their country forward through democracy. . .

All the aforementioned nations are democratic, run a free market economy, fight against corruption why can't africa do same? Until Africans quit being lethargic and take full responsibility for their current state -instead of foolishly blaming america for ever itch on their arse- there's no progressing. . . . There is no excuse!

This one na real life soap opera. . . .

Chrisbenogor:
Ah you give him until the full moon comes out abi, na im be say na werewolf shows the guy go dey run, abeg I like your shock and awe style jo, infact I give one of my friend the method for facebook today the guy no believe say na me lol

No be me tidy krayola oo. . . . Na you go ask am where him go encounter the spirit. . . Oya krayola over to you. . .

So you dey enjoy yourself for facebook abi?
That na betrayal of nairaland. . . .

Chrisbenogor:
Wahlahi if you go am for agege you go see am pfor frenty frenty bread wey I dey sweet pass sugar 
And I must ask you self, you don bite krayola abi? see as the guy wan dey vex pass you wey be my oga for vexing matters, can you imagine how the guy was trying to debate with noetic, lol in fact ROTFLMAO as I read the thread again LWKMD, wetin you do that innocent boy eh TUDOR TUDOR how many times

HA HA HA. . . .
Why you dey exaggerate na?. . . I never see krayola vex o, he's still an innocent. I give him one more month to complete the transformation.

ps: Na who tell you say i be oga for vexation?
Infact me thinks i'm as cool as ice. . . .

Chris so you love bread like this?
Oya prove that bread exists. . . .

Guy open your damn eyes!
Every tout can fake evil spirits, grab a crutch or even sit on a wheel chair. . . . Tell T.B joshua to go to ojuelegba or igbobi and heal the amputees then he can come brag how powerful he is. . . . . Till then he's just a bloody fake!

nuzo:
This is uncalled for.

Whoever spearheaded such atrocity must have been a hero to you and so many nigerians, hence why you guys keep celebrating the starvation of Biafran kids in the 70s.

Shame on you!

Are you retarded?
Do you even know the meaning of celebrating?
For neglecting your dictionary, shame on you!

donnie:
Before I comment on the topic of the thread, let me first sound a note of warning to those who prefer to speak against or insult anyone who comes in the name of the Lord. To come in the name of the Lord means that they function in the Lord's stead and in His authority so be careful because the Lord himself sent them and will not forgive acts of blasphemy against the Spirit.
I have watched the man a couple of times on local TV in Delta state. I see him and his calling in the same way as those of William Branham, T.B. Josuah, and the founder of RCCG. They were called having the least qualifications, humanly speaking but were mightily used of God. They trusted and relied solely on the Power of The Holy Spirit.
For Branham, the hand of God was upon him from childhood, ever before he read the bible. God spoke to him audibly. T.B. Josuah, and saint Dikeji had the Anglican background while the RCCG founder had the Cherubim and seraphim background. They did not fit into the acceptable religious norm of their day and could easily been called cultists or strange because of the call of God on their lives which they surrendered to.
It's usually after they had lived and gone that the church realizes what they had in their midst but did not take advantage of.
However, I do not agree with Spirit of the topic as it is not according to revelation. I can understand anyway, looking at his background as Anglican where just like catholics, men are only recognized as saints after they might have died. A saint according to scripture is one who is a friend of God, just, sanctified and righteous. In Christ Jesus we are consecrated, sanctified, justified and righteous. WE (believers) ARE SAINTS! The early church addressed believers as saints  while they were alive and not after death. Paul in his many letters addressed believers as saints.

Sometimes I wonder if you have a brain at all or just being deliberately stupid. . . . You in particular everytime on this forum will support and exalt any bastard who comes "in the name of the lord". What the hell is wrong with you?
I'd be lying if I said I didn't pity you. . . . Gosh!

You mentioned RCCG and TB joshua, your mind has been so raped and screwed by religion that you fail to notice that RCCG and the gang of theiving idiots called PFN do not acknowledge or recognise TB joshua as a christian. . . . . Both men cannot be right, one must be an agent of the "devil". But somehow you think both were called in the same way. . . . Are you okay?

Deep Sight:
@ pastor aio, the "1" in the equation is not necessarily God, just as the resultant 1 is not necessarily the universe. The equation is really metaphorical: to show that somethingness must be involved in the coming to be of somethingness.

As regards the question of intelligence - would you really compare the water in your kitchen sink to the cosmos? The cosmos is staggering in its beauty, tangents, movements, regeneration and the endless worlds it contains. Our earth, a mere pin prick in the universe, is similarly structured. The composite picture that emerges requires billions of perfectly interlocking relationships to form the resultant world.

I am certain you have seen the image of the eaarth as taken from the moon. Aside from the complex interlocking relationships that support its existence, it is also a spectacular work of art. I would suggest that it is a more stupendous body than water in your kitchen sink.

Is it really possible or logical that we can deny the existence of the element of intelligence, and also a sense of beauty? These elements are perforce attributes of the something that i talked about.

@ tudor, a proper understanding of the equations i set out earlier rules out your suggestion that the universe is itself the cause and intelligence. The basic law of cause and effect demonstrates this.

So there's a basic law of cause and effect yet you somehow make an exception for this uncaused cause god. . . .how funny!

bolaskyz:
Tudor
Who's saying rubbish,so far u've avoided all the direct questions u were asked so far-not just by me,but also by others.stop playing Mr know-all and stop avoiding my questions.

Are you retarded?
I have answered your questions several times but you choose to keep ranting like a mad man. . .

*WHY DID U ATTEND COVENANT UNIVERSITY IF U ACTUALLY DID'T BELIEVE IN THE MAN AND HIS MINISTRY.U SHOULD VE GONE SOMEWHERE ELSE. Am sure a typical answer will be Í didn't go there to do Church,I went there to get a degree'  meaning u actually admit the man has something 2 offer u. why didn't u consider going 2 crescent university at least they aren't that far from each other.

You're wrong, not something to offer but something to SELL! And it aint cheap either.
People choose schools for several reasons, infact a major is that CU was the closest private university to lagos as at then.

If you had any brain you'd know that crescent university as well as Bells were established YEARS after covenant. . . . I never knew common sense was so scarce these days.

*I remember someone else asked if u'd ever seen a rich man of God who's accepted as a true man of God in Nigeria. Answer is no.In your shallow mentality u still believe a true pastor should not be rich cos that has been the bottomline of your debates so far    'he's a conman'   'he's a '419er' et.c

Shut it abeg!
What work does oyedepo do?
Does he have a job apart from the church?
If you're getting rich from the proceeds of a charity organisation like a church neglecting the poor and needy who the church are mandated by christ to take care of then you're a rogue!

Abeg go sidon.u're simply posting for the sake of posting. u're only an hypocrite and a trouble maker.u're like the pharisee, u make long arguments but u lack revelation,depth or wisdom, only theories propounded by urself and your likes.  wonder if u know what revelation is-definitely not.maybe u'll need angel-surgeons to operate on your mind otherwise u still won't understand what Oyedepo and the likes are saying.

You're so brainwashed that you cant even think coherently. , . . . Keep throwing your income to rogues like oyedepo in hopes of becoming a millionaire. No matter how much an idiot has he'll most certainly revert to a poor man.

Am not absolving fake pastors who have no business being in ministry in the first place.but people like Oyedepo  haba R U BLIND?   OR DEAF?   R U THIS NAIVE?

Oyedepo is a fake who has no business in the ministry, are you blind?

When will stupid christians start reading their bibles and thinking for themselves instead of waiting for papa pastor to come feed them rubbish, gosh!

cap28:
Tudor

you are soooooo embarrassing - you seem to be so full of inferiority complex that you cant even admit that Britain along with the US and the EU  have committed an immoral act against Zimbabwe by imposing some of the most draconian economic sanctions ever imposed on a sovereign nation,

You yourself are a disgrace!
It's extremely lazy African like you who go around blaming the west for even the rash on your arse.
We were colonised, so what?
Get over it!
Other continents were colonised too but they've made giant strides forward why cant africa?

People like you who are quick to scream neo-colonialism at every little opportunity are the ones fuelling rogues like mugabe who want to rule forever ostensibly to fight the white man.

if you were capable of reading between the lines you would see that Mugabe's problem with the West began as soon as he refused to accept crippling loans from the imf and world bank, which have been used time and time again to reinslave african nations and hijack their natural resources.

If you were capable of thinking you'd know that what you wrote here is pure bullshit.
Is it by force to collect loans?
Why collect loans if you can't payback. Several countries have taken loans from the world bank and are doing fine, the daft african leaders you so love embezzle the loans instead of investing it in the people to yield results. . . .tell me, who's fault is it when they can't repay?

Malaysia were presented with the same loans they rejected and today they are far ahead than the entire continent put together. . . . I don't think they even have natural resources there,
Quit being lazy in thought please. 

why are you so quick to condemn mugabe who by the way did more for black zimbabweans than your beloved white slave master farmers. 
here is a man who fought courageously to free that country from iain smith's aparthied rule  and who was willing to to forgive the british for their dehumanising treatment of his people.

This is undiluted nonsense!
He help zimbabwe get independence, good but that doesn't mean he can screw the country and it's people.

Truth is Mugabe is a shameless idiot, a greedy old fool. Nelson mandela spent 27 years in prison fighting for his people, when made president he served his people and honorable stepped down after 1 term. . . Our resident Tyrant mugabe has stayed over 27 years in power! 
Why can't the old fool do the honorable thing and step down after ruining his country?

You have swallowed hook line and sinker the propaganda churned out by CNN, BBC, Fox and all the other political prostitutes masquerading as news media - WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!

Why not open up your own media company so we can get the accurate news from you. . . .rubbish!

the white man is not your friend - his only aim in life is to subjugate the black man or are you waiting to be put back into shackles before it dawns on you.

That is my problem with you hypocrites. . . . The white man isn't your friend, what are you doing in the UK?
Since you love africa so much why aren't you there trying to make it a better place. You hate the west on one hand then shamelessly run there to enjoy their tax payer money. . . I laugh!

here is a man who is standing up to these western vampires and instead of you commending him you are demonising him, the british couldnt care sweet FA about black zimbabweans all they are interested in is protecting those criminals who have no rights over the land they are illegally occupying.

Another spineless mugabe propaganda!

Who said mugabe shouldn't carry out land reform?

He can reform however he like but do it RIGHTLY!
Not by seizing farm lands and distributing it to your friends who do not know jackshit about farming. Mugabe destroyed his country and he should take responsibility instead of hiding behind phantom neo-colonialistic conspiracy theories.

All the human rights abuses against ordinary zimbabweans count as standing up to the western vampires, right?
I wonder when ordinary zims turnd white americans.

I dont care what Mugabe's motives are behind the land seizures - the british double crossed him in 1980 by entering into an agreement (the lancaster agreement) that was unenforceable and they knew it - they are rogues.

If the agreement was un-enforceable why then did mugabe agree to it?
Doesn't that prove he's an idiot? I laugh again!

Your morgan tsangarai is a pathetic british lap dog with no self respect.

Am I suprised?
No!
A man who wants to stand up to an old tyrannical bastard like mugabe would always be demonised only in Africa. 

economic sanctions are a weapon used by western predators in order to force weaker nations (mainly black)  to toe the line: these are some of the countries that have been on the receiving end of some of the most brutal economic trade embargoes: Haiti, Cuba, Libya, Iraq.  they are used as a weapon of agression and they are immorall because they ony impact ordinary people.

How many of those countries had inflation of over 1000% ?
Which of them started printing 20 billion currency note?
There are countries who do fine despite sanctions, mugabe has failed and is using sanctions as an excuse.

so please lay the blame where its supposed to be laid and stop with the house negro behaviour.

The blame lies with MUGABE!

Bear in mind also that we'll be missing drogba for 3 games and bosingwa for two. . . . .it's all messed up!

mazaje:
https://zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/modern_satires/drawing.JPG

Here is mohammed recieving inspiration from the imaginary allah and penning it down. . . . .Ok mohammed write says allah. . ."there is no god but allah and you (mohammed) is his last prophet" any body that does not believe that will rot in hell forever. . . . allah also told mohammed to tell his followers to kill any body that does not believe in all his lies. . . .

Is it Just me or does that pig have three breasts?. . . .

We are in the group of death!

While you at it please clear this up for me. . . . . Why can't that "something" with all these characteristics be the universe itself and not some external force

Abuzola aren't you supposed to be fasting?

ladygaga:
Looool
@tudor, we cld be friends only dat your mouth is too too sharp!

ha ha, Haba, this is not fair. . . .what'd you mean my mouth is to sharp?
Any specifics?

Bialegend:
Deal with it your own way. That is called ONE nigeria. Your people supported the awusas because of unseen fear of the Igbos to keep nigeria ONE at all cost, so stop complaining and deal with your self inflicted situation.

Are you retarded?
The mass starvation of the biafra refugees in the 70's must have conatminated your gene pool. . . .damn!