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Ibime:
Like I said Havertz ball retention technique in his own half is of a semi-professional level. My stomach has been turning me for months watching him do it dangerously numerous times a game. I'm actually shocked that so much dolapo could be dished out on a guy and scouts missed this obvious weakness. I saw bits of it when Leverkusen played Inter in Europa League but I didn't know it's this bad.

It wasnt missed.

It was broached extensively in his scout report, I remember mentioning it to you sometime back.

The risk is/was higher when he plays on the wings. It's the other things he can do with/off the ball that counts

Calm down...Based on what I've seen so far, Tuchel thinks different

airmark:
User09 said he would go and check the stats to confirm if Havertz was responsible for that goal he caused against Southampton. Ridiculous people plenty for this nairaland

I said I would go check the interpretation of dispossession leading to a goal

Then I realized errors leading to a goal is a better metric - even though I think its biased against Goalkeepers; Then I modified

Only weak minded people tend to attack people who dont agree with their points in a debate

Stay on course and stick to arguments instead of going around calling people ridiculous

Ibime:
Nobody on this thread is a super fan of Mount. Na Una Havertz fan boys wey carry Mount matter for head. We would have been happy to send Mount to development squad if Havertz came as advertised but alas Havertz is painful and disgusting to watch.

We don't care about Mount, we just respect meritocracy, and based on meritocracy, Havertz should be sent to development squad and Barkley, RLC and Conor Gallagher sef should protest how they were sent away for that fraud, talkless of Mount.

Well I'm forced to defend the guy cos I dont think his criticisms are factual. - U would too if u were fairly objective

Did u say no super fan of Mount - Lol, we cant deny the same rules of criticism for Kai do not apply to Mount especially given the harsh criticism on Fraudvertz. Unlike most people, I keep it objective and do not unnecessarily lay into Mount, Which I can; U know. For Instance, I thought ur Dele Alli conundrum was more suited to Mount In terms of general team play but didnt say a word, Several times this season I have avoided getting drawn into an argument about the guy

Cos The team comes first for me (and should for you), not mount, Lampard or Kai

Ibime:
Well it is normal for someone to start supporting a team because of one player. We have people who named themselves after players like Hazardfan. Even myself, Babayaro and Zola brought me to Chelsea.

It is unfortunate however when the player that brought you to Chelsea is a big flop who is despised by the fans. It may cause you to rethink your support of the club. But all hope is not lost, we have fans that joined because of flops and still stuck around, so he is in good company. After all we already house MorataFC and Lordfalcao here.

Nice bait.

U'll deploy every arsenal.; this guy

iamJ:
kickest.it/en/premier-league/stats

Thanks

Errors leading to a goal, Nice - that's the better metric

I have modified

iamJ:
he has one

Thanks.

Could u please share your link. Need to check some information

airmark:
I laughed when he said we never conceded a goal.

Obviously this dude is not a Chelsea fan, no need replying him henceforth.

Lol....Laziest way to win an argument. Cos clearly you have to be a Chelsea fan to know details of the team

After Twisting your own statement to make a silly point

kushercain:
This is false, The game Werner scored 2 goals. his first pl goal I think which he ran from the midfield and took on about 4 players. Havertz helped them mount the comeback by losing possession cheaply which they scored from before Kepa and Christiansen gifted them the equalizer. I can't recall the team in question but easy with the bobo bros that is if you're indeed a Chelsea fan

No bobo I promise u

Your point is noted; I would go check their definition of dispossession leading to a goal and revert

Ibime:
User09 cannot be a Chelsea fan. No fan of the club will accept a player whose ball retention for the team in his own half is of a semi-professional level. Virtually any ball given to Kai in his own half will have a real fan with his heart in his mouth cos that fool always looks like he will lose it, either through poor technique, spineless body positioning to receive the pass, or misjudging the weight of his pass to a fellow teammate.

Only blinkered eediots with no perception of ball retention responsibilities from a defensive aspect will find anything redeemable in that German fool. He is completely incapable and incompetent of doing midfield work at this stage. They should bulk him up and convert him to striker position cos his ball retention technique is one of the most dangerous I've ever seen in a midfielder.

Cos I dont agree with ur perception of Havertz, Mount and Lampard. Doesnt matter what you say, I'm just glad Tuchel sees him differently

At least I dont go around calling players I dont rate in my team funny names like the true Chelsea fan you are

User09:
That Kai is spineless and lost possession spinelessly. Everyone loses possession, Some more than others. I had even debunked this earlier

That Tuchel has tutored Mount how to be effective behind the strikers - Not true, Tuchel subbed him off and complained about our team lacking the final pass; I wonder who that sub is for

Tuchel has sent Kai to the bench permanently - Not true given that he has played the 3rd most minutes in our attack (Only Abraham and CHO has more minutes so far)

Like I said, U'll have to try harder

Please explain to me how this was different from what I quoted. Don't go changing the discuss

I really dont have time for this

Ibime:
It's a redundant comparison comparing one player who lost ball once to a player who lost ball twice over 90 minutes much less 10. It means nothing cos the data is too thin and smacks of desperation

Like for like; no other way fair comparison given the circumstances. Thin data - yes , Desperate - No

Ibime:
What we do know is Kai gives the ball away dangerously. It has been confirmed with our eyes and written about extensively in tactical analysis reports in the media.

Well u have a point here but it's interesting to note that he's got only one goal conceded from his dispossession all season.

Ibime:
He cannot be trusted with the ball in his own half, which is supposed to be bread and butter for any professional footballer, but it is extremely dangerous to give that semi-professional looking fool the ball in his own half.

Ziyech is worse in this regards according to stats but I dont see u or anyone else laying into him

airmark:
Players can lose possession but not spinelessly and in such a way that will cause a goal to be conceded.

Like i told one guy here after last match, Mount should be tutored on how to play behind our strikers and Tuchel did just that and with time he will master it and not drifting to the wing needlessly.

Roman brought Tuchel and he sent Havertz to the bench before he sends him the way of Lampard's. That shows Tuchel is smart.

This was you bro

Not a nice thing to be denying what you clearly said. I wonder who cant comprehend a simple statement

Emmynator:
Talent alone isn’t good
enough if you want to
succeed in the Premier
League.
This is a according to
Chelsea boss Thomas
Tuchel, who has urged
Chelsea midfielder Kai
Havertz not to rely on his
endless talent and has
urged the midfielder to
work hard.
Photo: Getty images
Havertz has struggled
since arriving at Stamford
Bridge in a £75million
transfer this summer and
has only found the net
once in 17 Premier League
appearances.
“What I feel from him is a
very friendly, intelligent
and open guy, with a lot of
potential and we will push
him,” said Tuchel.
“He seems to be like the
guy that needs to be
pushed, we will not stop it.
“For him, this league is
perfect because he cannot
rest. He has so much
potential that he has to be
challenged physically also,
it is not enough that he can
rely on his endless talent.
“In the end, the question is
does he have this, can he
show his teeth in the end
when it gets tough and I
was very happy on
Wednesday, it was him
that did almost the decisive
header in the box against
all the towers from
Wolverhampton.
“It would have been a nice
goal but he did not hesitate
and that is what I want to
see from him, the rest will
come because Kai can be a
huge, huge part of this
club.”


To whom it may concern

This was after the wolves game. He even complimented his performance and talked about the other parts that will be worked on

Nothing to see here

airmark:
What's not true?

That he lost possession and Burnley nearly scored?

That he was benched for Mount by Tuchel?

You can't even try to debunk any.

That Kai is spineless and lost possession spinelessly. Everyone loses possession, Some more than others. I had even debunked this earlier

That Tuchel has tutored Mount how to be effective behind the strikers - Not true, Tuchel subbed him off and complained about our team lacking the final pass; I wonder who that sub is for

Tuchel has sent Kai to the bench permanently - Not true given that he has played the 3rd most minutes in our attack (Only Abraham and CHO has more minutes so far)

Like I said, U'll have to try harder

airmark:
Players can lose possession but not spinelessly and in such a way that will cause a goal to be conceded.

Like i told one guy here after last match, Mount should be tutored on how to play behind our strikers and Tuchel did just that and with time he will master it and not drifting to the wing needlessly.

Roman brought Tuchel and he sent Havertz to the bench before he sends him the way of Lampard's. That shows Tuchel is smart.

None of this is true. U'll have to try harder

Ibime:
Did Kai not play ten minutes?

So why twist the narrative into the nonsense quoted above instead of simply saying "Kai lost possession once in 10 minutes and Mount lost possession twice in the first 10 minutes."

Dem write mumu for my forehead?

Nope... I was doing a like for like comparison unlike others. Notice I was the one who used 10 minutes, Not 15, 20, 45 or whatever

If anything the metric was even biased against Kai ( He played 14 mins)

Ibime:
According to baba Airmark, that was almost to his detriment

Well... Mount lost possession more times (2 times) within the first 10 minutes of the game than Kai did all game (1 time)

Well...He forgot to also tell u he looked dangerous in the small cameo and could have had a Goal or Assist save for Pulisic.

Also forgot to tell u how in the small time he was on, Was the only one who gave the attempted final pass which TT complained about (Anyway this could have been the coach instruction)

Anyway after watching the match the second time - I have to agree with the guy who gave Silva the Man of Match, Closely followed by Jorginho and CHO

Ibime:
Kai has 3 years top-flight experience to Mounts 1. But as Tuchel quickly observed, I get am before no be property.

Nope. Not true.

Especially when its been the experienced players delivering for him in all areas of the pitch; Even the 2 goals today

Well except CHO

Ibime:
That's good. On merit, I don't expect to see Kai in starting line-up for a long time.

Lol.

Did you know TT took out Mount and brought Kai in while we were actively chasing for a goal

He didnt even get his full 90 mins like Kai did last match

Ibime:
I didn't watch the match today. Anyone care to explain why golden boy Kai was rested?

Cos everyone should get a fair chance and no one is a nailed on starter in attack

Almajirihunter:
Not really had a proper test just like the unbeaten run earlier this season, against the danish thug Hojberg and skillful Ndombele we’ll know if they’re compact or not but personally I think Kante is needed don’t be deceived

True.

Just like that they look so organized and not leaving any holes

And for the people overrating Mount performance today

Listen to the part where Tuchel complains about the team lacking precision in the final pass and touch. A very clear message from TT in terms of his expectation.

Man shall not live by hustle and hardwork alone

For anyone who's interested in TT post match comment


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBWkTlD0r9U

NextD18:
Any reasonable manager will rate him high.

But hollup, is Kante still injured?

He's back now. Even made the bench today

I just thought it might be too early for such a physical game

NextD18:
Spurs is our next game, if Tuchel fails to play Kante who'll help face Mou's physical midfielders, we'll lose the game.

Might be too early to rush him.

Will be interesting to see what midfield he uses. One thing is clear though, Tuchel rates Kante very highly

As long as the midfield doesnt drift and creates unnecessary space we'll be alright

I must say i've been really impressed with the Jorginho Kova Pivot under Tuchel.

So Compact, Didnt think they had it in them

Edit: Tuchel just praised them, and the centre backs Outstanding. You all need to start showing love to Rudiger

I think Pulisic needs to learn to be more in sync with his teammates.

I thought the problem was more of Chilwell. I'm sure he'll be needing a lot of improvement in the training sessions with tuchel in this regard.

Nice assist by the way

BlueMann:

All 4 shots were off target

Useless chances; Jorginho created more chances from the middle than Mount. Really glad TT wouldnt allow himself to be whitewashed.

The Werner Haters are back.

Meanwhile their favorite boy has lost 3 times more chances

NextD18:
Nice try Mount.


Kova has been good so far.

Lol

I cant believe this

Dont read too much into the Lineup. Tuchel certainly likes to tweak his formation with varying personnel.

I wonder who u guys are gonna blame now. The usual suspects are not playing.

Shit. I forgot Werner

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Adama Traore has one of the highest stamina in EPL

He has played 19 games this season, scored a whopping 0 goals and has 0 assists.

Sir, if I may, are you discretely trolling Havertz or you are serious? [/color]

No I am not trolling.

My point was not about the stamina but more of how observations are not always correct especially in his case

I was not talking about his goals or assists, I was only drawing attention to how most of his criticisms are not factual.

He cant run - False

He cant press - Negative

He is Lazy or Lethargic - Again, Not true