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rvp2018:
Stop
Ghana - you got everything - except leadership and intellect.

As little as Ghana might be , Ghanaian leaders have held more global stage than populous kenya .

rvp2018:
Stop lying to yourself. Kenya and Ghana in HDI are the same - the difference is so minimal.

Kenya is barren - 89 percent semi-arid with perennial droughts and zero minerals.

Ghana - you got everything - except leadership and intellect.

You should be like Botswana, Namibia and South Africa. Which is Africa standards - even better if you invested in education like Kenya did - you should FAAAAR AHEAD.

You are a fool. The difference isn't minimal and there is no evidence you are closing the gap any further , infact there are more suggestion to see more gaps in coming years . Check last two consecutive years record for this fact.

Kenya is barren, but that is not an excuse in 21st century, isreal is generally a barren land.

Ghana is even using green technology to grow food that are not grown in Ghana .

Ghana is better than namibia , South Africa has an industrial and trading hedge but not impressive.


I agree bostwana is a success story but Ghana is looking up to singapore or Hongkong not bostwana.

rvp2018:
When he failed to manage Ghana - how could he possibly manage Africa. He was long in speeches and short in action. Ghanians themselves expelled him and he died in exile. Ghana became a disaster - that has yet to recover.

For the fact that , Ghana is currently more successful than kenya ( human index development) it speaks it all. His idea of managing africa was too supreme to counter except for a fool like you.

Till today , his action are enviably seen in Ghana. Ghana was doing what many Africans can't at his time , Ghana was so prosperous that Robert mugabe has to leave far zimbabwe to Ghana for a teaching position.

Ghanaians didn't expelled him, enemy of the state did just like they did to Gaddafi .


And remember , we aren't hungry here .

rvp2018:
Kwame heroism end with fighting for end of colonialism in Africa. Then a disaster starts, That end in Ghana becoming bankrupt, defaulting in it's debt and hyperinflation. The army disposed him and he died in Guinea.

Kwame cannot wash Mandela feet - no Africa leader can.

half baked impound education. His heorisms begins just after then. he was clamouring for african unification. That is the main philosophy. single army, single currency, single jurisdiction. That is what birth Africa union.

In his benovenent , he agree in making the ethiopia the headquarter despite being the chief mastermind . Till today, Africa Union has never held any exceptional and outspoken leaders like him.

Even in madela time, mandela was paying tribute to Gaddafi and Gaddafi in turn paying tribute to kwame nkrumah.


Kwame was disposed when he went to china by the CIA alien not necessarily the army you fool .

rvp2018:
Why did you expel him to Guniea if he was good. You well know Kwame Nkrumah became corrupt communist and destroyed your economy.

Nelson Mandela is a global icon. Leave N.Mandela alone. We can argue about the rest.

Such a shame - Thabo Mbeki messed up South Africa - by failing to do land reforms and dealing with HIV-AIDs - and set up South Africa to a path of self-destruction that likes of Zuma have come to complete with mega corruption - the like that Kwame Nkrumah pulled in Ghana.

stop the diahorea of the mouth with the next available book on the shelves that is void of Western concoction. Economically , kwame nkrumah supersede whatever any African leaders of that time can envisaged.

For the fact that , kwame nkrumah didn't feature in today Western discussion doesn't push him down to the back seat.

He was a successful and accomplish man whose aim of development is yet to be matched in today world .


He made it clear, he wasn't in support of nyerere system, so don't join them together.

Tom mboya only survived in the memory of kenyans not scholars .

Abohboy:
Exactly so their situations are different i'm talking of a president personally requesting for a company to set up base in thier country that rarely happens especially between African nations there is a sort of big brother and little brother relationship between Nigeria and Ghana albeit it's more one sided with Nigerua giving to Ghana most times rather then receiving

what are you saying ? In terms of commerce, whatever 10000 worth of goods brought from Nigeria to Ghana , Ghana is only doing less than 500 of it. So who is really helping who? And who is the big brother?

It has been a proactive effort of kwame nkrumah to help the neighbour around him despite Ghana not having much.

10 million dollar of Ghana wealth was donated to Guinea freely just after their independence.

rvp2018:
In Kenya Africa heroes recognized at least by being named after something
1) Nkrumah - there are two roads - one in Nairobi and Mombasa.
2) Haile Sellaiseh - one major road in Nairobi is named after him
3) Julius Nyerere - one road in Nairobi named after him
4) Patrice Lumumba institute - now Pan African university college.
5) Sankara hotel in Nairobi - Not sure why they chose the name
6) Kenneth Kaunda street - Named after Zambia 1st president

But pan-african heroes of independence definitely
1) Kwame
2) Haile
3) Mandela.
4) Nyerere
5) Maybe Jomo Kenyatta...otherwise Mboya should be in there.
Who'd come top...

Nearly all of them came short - except Mandela and my hero Tom Mboya.
Kwame - became a disaster as president.
Nyerere - similarly went for communism and left his country bankrupt.
Kenyatta - went on unprecedented land grab - taking 0.5m acres for himself.
Haile - messed up Ethiopia - he was overthrown in revolution.

As for Nigeria.

Nigeria maybe Obasanjao or Sani Abacha - the Butcher of Nigeria - are well known. They kept replacing one military leader with another...people lost count.

The only real Africa heroes as we speak today
1) Nelson Mandela - it almost a sacrilege to put Nelson Mandela with anyone in that list.
2) Tom Mboya
3) Thomas Sankara

The rest fell short of glory...maybe Nyerere deserve to be no 4 - the rest became very corrupt self-serving mofo.

Julius Nyerere genuinely made a wrong bet on communism, admitted failure and resigned. He died with one bicycle and one house despite being president for many years.

Tanzania remain peaceful, avoided coups and almost has defeated tribalism because Julius Nyerere truly was inspirational leader. His only mistake was intellectually betting on the wrong economic policy.

Your Tom mboya has never won a recognized status. In the year 2000, kwame nkrumah was voted by BBC as the man of millineum not mandela not sankara or your so called mboya whose record is only limited to kenya .

Abohboy:
But did a president request him to work in Ghana?

he wasn't requested to work in Ghana by any president . He came after graduating from Lincoln university .

theenchanter:
which Kain oyinbo be this? U don't even know that u're implicating urself with this post..... And if I break what u wrote down to u, u'll accuse me of not understanding ur post.

Learn to be eloquent first before jumping into arguments.

You are naive, people made mistake here and there . how will that affect me ? And your own style of writing isn't exceptional ...

No be only you sabi break Grammer

theTranscriber:
Your padre is dumb,all your familia are disturbed

I sorry for you

ok the dumbness in you is inheritance.

theenchanter:
u can't weave an argument around ur point, it's baseless...... Yeah, it's sitting on straw with one flap of arse.

it will be pointless trying to make a point out of baseless assumption. Particularly when you are broadcasting with a dimwit. The prime fool who is too myopic to check that actual fact . No time for strawmen.

theenchanter:
even during ghana's economic crisis at his time? his one-party and ghana's president for life status?

Bobo, the only reason kwame Nkrumah was accepted was because of his independence fight........ He was not accepted politically afterwards, lest he wouldn't be overthrown.

it is too early for strawmen

theenchanter:
so, according to this point of urs............ Is Kwame Nkrumah a central hero?

Yes , every ghanaian accepted him even to the far north.

theenchanter:
there's nothing called central hero, only in ur head and imagination shall it continue to appear.

I know what u're implying as "hero" even as u couldn't pass it efficiently.

Ur own definition of "hero" is someone who violently fought for his people against oppression anyway, I'm here to tell u that u don't need to "violently" fight for ur people before u can be termed "hero".

I rest my case before u run wild this time.

But you failed absmally trying to polish the real fact with your foul mouth. You can't even break the analogy yourself.

A Central hero is simply an individual who by no means is accepted by all regardless of ethnicity, religious or political affiliation . No Nigeria patriotic leaders can best be described as that . Either dead or alive.

No igbo scholars would agree with the perception of Awolowo as a Nigerian hero. Several Nigerians, and especially Yoruba, will think the same about Achebe too.

You are just myopic

theenchanter:
this one does not know what he's saying...... U're blabbing, bruh.

k

theTranscriber:
That's exactly what you should have said
Don't give fake details

the name of the church is now your worries . What a dumb child

theenchanter:
awolowo passed through all these......

yet he was not a central hero.

QuietMynd:
Nah, he wasn't acknowledged by all south Africans, some white sans still consider him a terrorist.

Just like some white folks never which South Africa was independent. What a porous understanding.

theTranscriber:
Stop saying what you don't know
The vice President is from redeemed christain church of God!


You guys should STFU of you are not sure!

ok , maybe I missed the usual church but the fact still stand, he was a former pastor before he became vice president.

obaaderemi:
Get your facts right.

was he not?

QuietMynd:
If we are to go by ur analogy, Mandela is not a hero but a patriotic citizen then.

no, he was acknowledge by whole south Africans . That's is a poor understanding of my analogy there.

Roan77:
This is were you are you wrong, the president is the chief of armed force, not a prime minister.
I'm tired of you.
Today is Nigeria independence, let me go and eat better poundo and vegetables soup and pepper soup, then push it down with chilled Heineken, then play with bae, bye bye.

ok

Roan77:
Lol, Like I told you, stick to Ghana history, you are ignorant about Nigeria history.
Azikiwe was a ceremonial president for 3 years, from 1960-63 and became a full president when Nigeria became a republic, from 1963 to 1966.
How can you compare a head of state to a head of government, vaxx?

He was never the first person to head Nigeria governance . You just repeat what I said

The prime minister has the veto power. The president then was an appointed position . The prime minister was the de-facto commander of chief armed forces not the president .what kind of individual is this ?

What kind of education do you received,?

Just30:
It will help Nigeria if Nigeria political sphere is demarcated not based on religious and tribal lines but based on simple economic interest..

religious and tribal lines play important role in Nigeria politics. Check out the Federal character system.

The current vice president was a key pastor in winners chapel of God ministry .

Roan77:
Just see what you are saying, what do you mean he Nigeria first leader?
Who is Nigeria first president after independent?
Tafawa belawa was just a prime minister, after Nigeria independent, just like Boris Johnson.
I think it's high time you focus more on Ghana, you are not right person to determine who is Nigeria hero or not.

The prime minister is voted to power while the president was an appointed position. One carry the veto power of the people while the others is just a ceremonial figure. Nothing too specific,even the speaker of assembly is still more popular. Azikwe was just a ceremonial leader.

You are not educated on the topic

Just30:
loose federalism is dangerous... especially when it is political loose federalism

Federalism is great when practiced properly and not arrange around religious or political line

but scholars keep repeating it as the unifying force that can keep Nigeria together. The region must go by each philosophy.

vankelvin:
I support this comment with 1000 bags of Dzata cement.

That will help a lot,
for the recent attitude of our Volta and Ashanti region guys, practicing federalism will help us a lot .

Ghana is too small for such. Federalism is too expensive to run , one of the reasons Nigeria is home to lot of poor people . So much money go to governance instead of the people .

Roan77:
So because Azikiwe was not an activist, that went to prison, that made me less of hero right?
I keep learning new things here.
Not all heroes wear capes, they said.

maybe you will need to cross check the difference between patriotic and hero.

He was not even the first leader of Nigeria despite his partrotism, the key people that voted for him were simply the easterners , he doesn't even enjoy the privilege Awolowo in south west enjoy or that of tafawa balewa or Bello..


He was never Nigeria choice .

Just30:
Regionalism can be very divisive

that is the basis of federalism. Each region should have some self of independence.

Roan77:
So someone that fought for Nigeria independence and also became Nigeria first president is not a hero, but just a patriot Nigerian Right?
So keep the same energy with Kwame Nkrumah.
If you don't know the history of Nigeria, don't talk, or better still make research before you talk, there is no difference between you and rvp2018.

so is herbert marculey , so is Anthony enahoro, so is Awolowo, so who among them really fit the national hero?

You guys need to learn .

Kwame nkrumah developed a party from infancy , mobilized and energise the youth, he was imprisoned , several attempt was made on his life . Such an individual can't be compare to Nigeria patriotic citizens.

Abohboy:
Not exactly dependant but they did go to Nigeria to try and bring in more industry into Ghana like when Nkrumah personaly asked Odutola to bring his tyre retreading and rubber factories to Ghana

so? if that is true,that is the usual way of attracting foreign direct investment. Zik was once employed with a newspaper in Ghana called ""Africa morning Post""

Abohboy:
Which country has a central hero? Nobody said shit about a singular or a central hero there are many heroes where they were popular doesn't matter did they help gain Nigeria's independence? Did they help to develop the nation? Did they lay the foundation of the nation? Then they're heroes full stop

many country has a Central hero. Ghana and south africa comes to mind .


There is difference between hero and patriotic. Nigeria only has patriotic leaders not a hero or heroine .