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rvp2018:
You can pick Mauritus or Botswana - who have chosen the democratic route - whatever system you adopt - get it working! It not true that countries developed due to slavery or colonialism. Countries developed by simply improving their productivity - mostly due to industrialization.

so half bake .The country you mentioned aren't a full developed country anyway, so what do you think will really impressed me about them. They aren't a big trading center nor a technological hub rendering practical solution. Bostwana is just as lucky as Ghana with natural resources and small population. The lsland called mauritius is just an offshore financial center . Growing at the expense of other weak nation. Don't be surprised to hear you have some amount of kenya money stock in there . Ghana can easily play such system anyway.


Industrialization does not necessarily developed a nation , trade does . China and India used to be industrialized but fell alongside when they cannot complete in trade . What is the importance of industrialization when there is no trade. China understand this and it get back on its page of development after playing protectionism for a while. You will need a ready market for your industrialization. Grow it along your industry.

United arab emirates is simply a trading center. Nothing like big industry going up there. India and china goods end up trading there. it is trade in goods, services, and money that developed nations. industrialization does little for economic development.


The West were looking for a new market and africa was found after they have gotten their market saturated .



Trading Nation will always remain the most wealthy , European/America understand this. hence a competition with China

rvp2018:
Being poor is a state. What matters is progress. Burundi which is Rwanda cousin in everything - same country split into two - is bottom poorest country in the world. Rwanda has slowly climbed out and is looking at the future with more hope.

Rwanda began from worse...one poorest landlocked country with genocide...and Kagame has turned around it's fortunes...

Botswana and Mauritus are also good examples.

Hopefully you will prefer a kind of ruwanda solution . A dictator per excellence I guess.( Wise dictator) Then summit a note to your top hierarchy so that they can maintain uhuru and then copy ruwanda model of leadership.

rvp2018:
Yes - if you stopped exporting raw cocoa beans - and work together with ivory coast - you'll create the seed wealthy required to spur manufacturing. Of course kenya is also not doing as well as it could.

But please stop lazy excuses about coloniliasm, neocoloniliasm, slavery and name it - own up to your own messes.

if this bullshit never existed, we would have been fine At least zimbabwe and south africa and to some extent kenya will not have their lands owned by the so called white supremacy.

The only way out of this hogwash is a united africa front . We should have africa solution to africa problem . Singapore didn't borrowed British solution for her problem. Homegrown solution.

Singapore and the rest of asia Tigers might have been criticised for the lack of Western democracy and economic approach. But there is unanimity that they have succeeded in taking the masses of their populations out of poverty, unemployment and inequality.

rvp2018:
Look at what Kagame is doing to ruwanda


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4NNmFvxJJk&t=14s

Yet ruwanda is still more poorer than Ghana. That is laughable.

In infrastructure, ruwanda ( Kigali might not be as developed as Tamali the northern Ghana) yes I acknowledge the neatness , it shows the citizens are cooperating with the little resources in their hands .


I hear a whole Kigali does not have a single fly over .

rvp2018:
The quickest way to lose a race before it starts is to have such self-defeatist attitude. Nothing is preventing your country Ghana from refusing to sell their cocoa beans before adding value. Nothing is stop Ghana from kicking out Chinese gangs smuggling your gold. Nothing is stopping Ghana from prudently managing it's macro-economics and stopping borrowing Eurobond like a drunken sailor. Nothing is stopping Ghana from investing in vocational training and prepare it's workforce for manufacturing jobs. Nothing is stopping Ghana from improving it's basic infrastructure. Nothing stops Ghana for creating special economic zones to spur manufacturing. Nothing stops Ghana from inviting foreign investors. Nothing stops Ghana from moving to agro-processing.

Nothing stops Ghana from developing. If you're looking for excuses...you will never run out of them.

it seems you have been conquered on the hogwash stupidity of you exterminating Western colonies out of africa wealth.

Now you have to bite at Ghana.

I think your tea driven economy ( kenya ) needs to follow ghana extensive wide development. You will need to Follow the example of Ghana. Along with Ivory Coast.

Ghana is known as producer of cocoa just like your kenya is to tea. We just announced our intention to cutback exports of raw cocoa. It will, instead, we increase our domestic production of the finished product, chocolate. A high value, finished product. . We will not live our national pride in hands of india under the name of national needs.

The product alone is more than kenya total export .

Ghana is indeed developing as we are closing the poverty line everyday. in subsharan africa , Ghana has one of the most successful story .

rvp2018:
Emotional polemics. Who did China colonize or enslave to industrialize and develop recently? We need to stop looking back at history and blaming slavery or coloniliasm for our poverty now. We can grow if we learn from develop world and develop our manufacturing sector for starters.

China is an ancient super power...it has always been a productive nation . The gun powder that becomes bullet and abacus that made today modern computer was borrowed from them. You should ask yourself why ancient civilizations in africa like egypt, Algeria and ethiopia are not as developed as the former even when they both have a good start head

How are we going to developed when the colonials are still the one ruling us up till today, they only change the formation of their leadership. We are still suck with their wack system of governance that those not really celebrate the africa in us. and any country who try to embrace another ideology that differ from them end up becoming a hotbed of crisis. When libya was at peace. The citizens were living far better than italian.

And you must know, no where on the Globe, US and Europe interfered remained peaceful! Look at Libya, Somalia, Afghanistan, iraq, Mali.... it rather remained hot bed of civil war!.

Let China allowed this and see.


Now, they are hovering to distablize Ethiopia, a country remained to be beacon of independence with unwavering commitment to Pan-African movement!!!

rvp2018:
I know you want to feel important as an African.

International trade is not important - even if you blockaded these countries - there is a lot of DOMESTIC trade and economy that can propel a country.

Colonialism was a drain - nearly all those railways never could pay for itself. All the steels and irons had to be ship in.

And the extracted raw materials not much of it made to mother countries....there was very little going on in africa.

It's not like those countries are baren of raw materials.

When German grew under Hilter - it was pariah state - but Germans industrial machine - was able to produce goods for germans - a car for everyone - a bicyle - a road - a house - all these kept machines busy and economy growing - only in the last stage after exhausting your domestic economy - do you actually need international expansion

I really don't know how it feels to you when a certain people impose his culture, language, religion and economic way of life on another individual for his own selfish gain.

Yes they are not entirely baren but they need cheap labour for their development and it was gotten from africa , apart from extracting our raw material, they also used our human for their selfish interest. Our people do the job so cheaply.

Well, when the slave trade ends, the European body have to find a new way of making money after they have established their slave fort everywhere in africa. Africa economical gain was so important to them that they have to find and quickly set up a conference in same germany," berlin," and divide africa like their own property . When the french and the british have extensively used our men (cheap labor) to developed their own country . The new comer like italy, beligium and germany have to come on board . A rich copper resources country of congo was given to Belgium , itali took over prosperous Tripoli, Germany took over cameroon and Trans Togo (modern day volta and northern Ghana).

It has been proven economically, domestic business alone can't developed a nation. a new market is important. British were our former chinese. From common food spoon to Tea cup of the british can be found in every africa home when there were really stealing us here . There just need a rapid market .

They have to build trains and collect ounces of gold in return , they have to build hopsital. And collect barrel of oil in return , they have to build universities and continue their indoctrination.

rvp2018:
Folks only two countries almost depended entirely on colonialism for their advancement - Spain and Portugal - the rest had very robust local economies based on industrialization - and the colonies were mostly a drain on their economies. Start with Britian - nearly all colonies were in the red - and needed injection of money from Britain. In fact US, Japan and German were able to avoid colonial cost/drain and grow faster - than Britain and France - who had to shoulder huge price trying to manage their mostly loss making colonies.

What made Britain, Germany, Japan. ITALY and France rich - INDUSTRALIZATION.

Now study the two European countries - that did not - industralize - but depend on plundering the gold and minerals of South America - Spain and Portugal.

You people are so stupid not to know they need raw material for their industrialization and new trade center and this was largely gotten in africa . From gold to copper to iron ore to oil .


Yes, British does inject money on her colonies but all were done for the purpose of business which birth the long time gain the british are enjoying now . The establishment of railway line and constructions of hospital and roads for example , create a lot of job for their skilled workers and professional.

Kigali conventional center..


Check this olden days structure,you will notice it is the same as KCC. this is a king palace in one of the village in ruwanda

Henceforth, it might not be possible for a potential criminal to steal a phone in europe and sell it in Ghana.

The system has been put in place. Here is the Minister address.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPuAnb1mKmU

Abohboy:
It did actually get a substantial amount of wealth from its occupation of China

and south korea.

owenseddies40:
My wife gave birth to 3boys and one girl for me,my last son scares me a lot because whenever I see him, it's like am before my father.they look alike,talk alike and behaviours too, it's really scarry

what is the big deal . But becareful you loved the boy. I am a full carbon copy of my grandfather, the resemblance is so much that any of my family member recognised me anywhere even if they are out of sight for many years .

I don't need to introduce myself whenever I visit my family house .

mtisTheQubit:
Anyone watched iphone 13 event an was just meeh like me ? For real apple need to innovate.changing position of a phone camera is not innovation neither is it magic

very disappointing.

Abohboy:
Their fans will still buy it enmasse anyway they'll give any excuse retina screen, new chip, better camera etc.

iphone is selling on Goodwill. Nothing make it better than any moderate android there.

theInterpreter:
lol

are you kidding?

Buhari is far worse than Kim Jong

really,buhari isn't restricting the number of hair cut la

obaaderemi:
Two of the world's most useless leaders.

See their trousers.

oh so sad. But second one Isn't authoritative.

just for fun.

Who has the biggest swag.

Just30:
He is just a lesson note away from learning

To wipe away time.

Abohboy:
She isn't the brain behind any box there are dozens of other people who also raise money apart from her she is just one of many organs of donations

whatever way you want to argue it. She has been the brain box behind many welfare agenda, that is a fact that can be google on popularised internet.

Abohboy:
She raises money but she doesn't control welfare projects or welfare development

that is the point. She is the brain behind the box.

Just30:
Subscribe and you will learn how your point is invalid

You are chatting up with someone who does not know we have welfare capitalist state and social welfare state .

jl115:
Seems like people here truly don't understand what socialism is!! Just because a country has welfare and a public sector does not make it a socialist country

ok

Abohboy:
The queen doesn't do shit and she doesn't control any welfare system I live there and I understand the politics she doesn't solely raise moeny so do celebrities and politicians.

she has been a source of many welfare development agenda in UK. You only need to google up.

Abohboy:
NHS is more of a welfare system but at the same time yes it's a socialist type system but if you read the news anyday you'll see how it is being affected by the capitalist conservative party led by Boris Johnson

Uk policy is highly welfare headed by the queen herself . So socialism is right embedded in their political system. For example, the queen has raised millions upon millions of pounds for worthy causes for everything from children with dread diseases to wounded soldiers. That is socialist / welfare outlook.

Hueman:
So you agree more African countries need to be ran by socialist ?

combination of all economic and political idea. No idea remain absolute . No black and White in life . It should be tailored to our national needs

Abohboy:
UK isn't socialist one bit and the citizens are against it there are parties trying to bring in socialism to the UK but they've been rejected and ignored by the populace because they don't believe in socialism.

well UK is a complexed civilized nation, she understand the world is not white and black . Therefore understand how to balanced the technicality.

NHS system run in uk is an attribute of socialism economy.

Abohboy:
He wasn't practicing communism and nkrumahism is a form of African socialism same way China have socialism with Chinese characteristics that is exactly what Nkrumahism he was trying to do the same thing as what China was doing before China did it.

nkruamah first put Ghana among the league of common wealth which comprises china and Russia as at then. Infact nkruamah consider this aforementioned countries as greatest allies . There maybe semblance of similarities of ideas anyway.

Hueman:
Nkrumah achieved a classless , moneyless, and stateless society in 4 years abi.

no country has such on earth, ali baba owner is known as the richest business man in china.

Well ,inkrumah was the first person in africa to organize the workers and peasants in a mass movement for independence. That is a socialist outlook, he built dams( largest mam made in africa , founded nuclear energy for a nation that is not up to 10 million as at then) that is industrialization, Ghana was far thinking ahead of her peers by then. Most of what Ghana today benefit are thru his combine policy.

Hueman:
There’s no such thing as a mixed economy when the whole argument for socialism/communism is that workers must own the means of production. That has never happened in a “mix economy” What you describe is capitalism with a strong welfare. Karl Marx did not write that book just for us to have welfare. Lol. And no being like uk is unrealistic, they literally made their wealth from colonialism. Learn from China.

I don't know the Bleep you are typing about. Inkrumah was doing three in one , Communism, socialism and what he term inkrumnaism. All sort of ""sims"" A look at "kwame nkrumah ideological institute"will exposed you to a better understanding. It is an ideology you can find online .


Something of such was also embedded in mauhammar Gaddafi "Green book""

Hueman:
If China’s economy didn’t grow under MAO how come life expectancy increased significantly? Come on let’s think dialectically instead of being idealistic. Mao job was to remove traitors and opportunist from China. If Nigeria ever attempts socialism we will literally have a cultural revolution because we need to get rid of our corrupt political system and start over again. There are so many idiots willing to Uphold the status quo of this country. Our police don’t even benefit from Nigeria but see how they attack protesters fighting for their own rights. You really think re-changing a society is that easy. So no you’re wrong. MAO is the father of China. Chinese people still pay respects to him.

we can try every bit of economic and political success. We can combine discipline and democracy, so many countries are doing it . Every bit of success is applicable. Uk is running a capitalist and socialism economy. "mixed economy".

Abohboy:
They were for a brief period in the 1900s and stop acting like foreign backed coup and destabalization efforts haven't been used against African countries.

it is called occupation. Ethiopia was occupied by Italian. Even till date, so many part of ethiopia still have italian names .

Roan77:
And what made Ghana and Kenya better than Cuba?

Cuba is doing way better.i never say otherwise