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vedaxcool: Coming from an ignoramus this is a compliment, http://www.call-to-monotheism.com this website refutes every single lie shamoun and his gang of liars could ever conjure up, u probably have not heard the terms gram positive and gram negative bacteria (pairs)! All lies against Islam have been refuted, whether u are able to see the truth and acknowledge it remains to be seen!

You see what I mean? They are perverts. They turn blue into green and yellow into black. Islam magic. Perverts niwon se.

[quote author=Bélla3]Jesus is the son of God. Who fulfiled the Law, hence, no one shud be killed, stoned etc to show believe in God. People of the bible times believed God was wit them if they won battles, hence God confirmed it. We are al smal 'gods' hence if people say Jesus is God i think it is becoz he is elaved above man! He told us many times that he came to do the wil of his father(God). He didnt claim to be God. Bt if GOD ALMIGHTY can say humans are smal 'gods' then i think it is only right dat Jesus is called GOD, afteral he could create life through the power of GOD.[/quote]Bella my Sister,

They are perverts. Their reasoning is deluded so dont bother to explain things all over. Perverts ni won. If they can reach you, by now you are dead. Especially me.

Wizeboy: I can now confidently say that you a confused human being. You that did not know up to 20 percent of your so-called religion, trying to convince people. I have told you several time to respect other belief's believe but you refused to listen.

If not the high level of maturity Nairaland Muslims show on this thread (which I so much happy about), if they have started trading bad words with you, you and your fellow people will be saying Muslims are intolerance without knowing how intolerance and bad attitude you have shown on this thread. You are the person that derail this thread and I have asked you over 50 questions on your religion which you have not been able to answer ONE.

The earlier you learn to tolerate other people the better for your life. I being a Muslim, I have so many Pastor friends who know more than you do but we have NEVER in a day engage in religion argument.

My advice is for you to go to Christian Section and learn your religion well first before intervening in other people's belief (with all the nonsence you have been typing here since a week ago, how many people have call you to become Christian). No hard feeling, please go and get a life.....

Thanks for your understanding in advanced.

Peace.......

Why the thing come pain you pass the rest? Am I the one who ask you to be following a blind man? Those Pastors are scared you can organise to harm them since you know them inside out. They let you be so that peace can reign. Let me tell you what MUJHAHID ASARI DOKUBO said concerning Babangida. he said babangida cannot and can never condemn Boko Haram in public because it will amount to committing suicide if he did. Dokubo Asari became a Muslim beacause he wanted to go into armed struggle in the Niger Delta. He needed a god who believe in violence that can back him and train him. He trained in several camp belonging to Jihadist organisation before he formed NDPVF.

Those are the real Muslims who understand the core of the deception called Islam. Not hypocrites like you trying to defend what is not defendable. Murky, muddy, dark water nonsense

"o fe ke, oro naa dun" lolllllllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Abbott: There is no other NAME given unto men by which we can be saved except the name of Jesus. @All, keep this truth at the back of your mind and when that defining moment of your life comes upon you and you call upon all the gods you know...call out to Jesus. For EVERYONE who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved.

Guys, let us keep our hands still.

Why you dey advise them? Let them be adamant now. The man that will perish will be hardened first. Remember pharaoh? That was how he perished. Its not by force to accept d truth. Keep worshiping d sun, moon and stars and blackstone and kaaba. Be astrologist and starreaders and voodoist. You already know you are going to hell.

Don't deceive yourselves, there is not going to be any virgin anywhere. Infact, there will be no ggenital/ssexual organs in heaven. All of us that are going will do with celestial bodies and that body is spiritual not carnal. Mohammed is very dumb because he also said sun sets in muddy water - Q. 18:86 :

Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found IT SETTING IN a muddy spring… (Pickthall)

Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found IT SET IN a spring of murky water. (Y. Ali)

Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found IT SETTING IN a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. (Hilali-Khan).

What can he not say. "Mumu too much"

akthedream: You have been stylishly dodging questions that have been put forwajrd to you.Nope muslim don worship what u stated above.its the christains that worship idols which include the picture of Nel gibson..is he not ur jesus?..So anybody with beards and long hair represents ur jesus huh?..You okay?

Why should I dignify crass foolishness? Just hear urself now saying Mel Gibson is Jesus. How does it sound to you? Or should I now start lecturing u that he's an actor and only acted a play written about Jesus. Your reasoning is arrant reprobation but am not surprised, if you can be dressing like arab in Nigeria, u can say anything

Faraidi: you are truely a bastard and a lost soul

Who is a bastard between you and me? You are the son/daughter of belial, the condemned and the banished to hell. You cant miss hell except you repent. Sura 19:71-72. LOL

sconsults: [size=22pt] Christians and Muslims should stop trying to prove themselves.the truth is that all of you do not make sense and the doctrines of both religions are as vague as it is stupid, that's why it is by faith that we believe not by sense or logic
Christians believe in a god that was crucified as a common criminal and could not save himself,then claimed that he shed his blood to allow his father to forgive mankind while Muslim believe in the same man but that he did not die.all this men where not even able to determine that the earth was spherical and nothing directly scientific could be attributed to them.stop trying to find logic in your religion because if there was one,everybody would have embraced it by now.an igbo man can choose to be anything he want to be even if he want to worship a goat,it is his choice.religion have not made igboland any better.period[/size]

You said you have never met any learned muslim that got converted to Islam. Here is the testimony of Sultan Muhammad Khan

EARLY LIFE AND STUDIES

My native land is Afghanistan. My late father was a resident of the capital of Logar, which is situated about 50 miles south of the city of Kabul.

My father, Payanda Khan, held the rank of colonel in the Afghan army with the title of "Bahadur Khan". He was known throughout the country as "Colonel Bahadur Khan". My father had two wives. The first was from among his near relatives. She bore him three daughters but no sons. Therefore, lest the family should die out, he married the daughter of Sayyid Mahmud Aqa, who was a member of one of the noblest and most famous families in Afghanistan. My younger brother, Taj Muhammad Khan, and I were the fruit of that marriage. I was born in 1881.

Shortly after the late Amir, Abdur Rahman Khan, came from Russia to the throne of Kabul, he captured six of the notable pillars of the country and sent them away to some unknown destination. Later they were put to death. Among these six was my father. Then a second calamity befell us. For political reasons my two maternal uncles were captured, sent to the state prison in Kabul, and later banished to India. Shortly afterwards, my third uncle together with his mother and servants came to India by the permission of the Amir, while the rest of my nearest relatives remained in Kabul.

On coming to India they settled in Hasan Abdal. Because of further political difficulties our whole family left Kabul and came to Hasan Abdal. After a few months my mother passed away. Eventually, after a reconciliation between my family and the late Amir, Abdur Rahman Khan, all my family except my three uncles and myself returned to our native land.

Later I went to Delhi and entered the Madrasa-i-Fatehpuri to perfect myself in the study of Arabic. At that time the head mawlavi of the school was Mawlana Abdul Jalil, a pure Pathan of the District of Naushera; and the second mawlavi was Fateh Muhammad Khan of Qandahar. By the special kindness of these two gentlemen I soon completed my study of logic and turned to that of the traditions and commentaries. During the day I studied with my classmates. In the evenings I received special instruction from AbdulJalil. Thus, by the grace of God, I mastered these subjects also.

FIRST ENCOUNTER WITH CHRISTIANS

One day, when returning with some of my friends from a walk to the Chandni Chawk, we saw a large crowd gathered at a short distance from our school. Arriving at the scene, we noticed that an argument concerning the doctrine of the Trinity was going on between a Christian preacher and one of the students of our school. The former was finding support for the doctrine in the following verse from the Qur'an:

"And we are nearer to him than his jugular vein" (Qur'an 50:16).

{ All references from the Qur'an are taken from Mohammad Marmaduke Pickethall, THE MEANING OF THE GLORIOUS KORAN, New York, 1954.}

He was saying that here "nahnu", the first person plural, is used, and that if the unity of God were absolute, the first person singular, "ana", would have been used. Since the student was giving an answer that was not to the point, my friends urged me to answer the argument of the preacher. Accordingly, I stepped forward and said that the first person plural of the pronoun is used according to the Arabic idiomatic usage as an honorific and not as an indication of plurality.

This was the first opportunity I had to meet a Christian in argument. On that very day there was born in me an indescribable eagerness to argue with Christians, an eagerness derived from a deeply rooted fervour and concern for things sacred. Consequently, as far as lay within my power, I began to collect notable books in refutation of Christianity. I made a careful study of many books, and on appointed days I began to go to the Fountain and carry on discussions with the Christian preachers.

One day the English clergyman, who used to come with the preachers, gave me his visiting card and invited me to his house. He was kind enough to say that I might bring my friends with me. Accordingly, in company with two or three friends, I went to his residence. The clergyman was very friendly and courteous. While we drank our tea, we began an interesting discussion on matters of religion. He turned to me and asked: "Do you read the Bible?" "Why should I read the Bible?" said I. "Who would read such an altered book which you people change every year?" At my reply a pitying look appeared on the face of the clergyman, and he said with a faint smile: "Do you consider that all we Christians are dishonest? Do you think we fear God so little that we should keep deceiving the world by making changes in the Holy Scriptures? When Muslims say Christians keep altering the text of the Tawrat and the Injil (the Torah and the Gospel), they suggest that all Christians are dishonest and that they are deceivers of the people. Now this is a serious and unwarranted indictment. Christians believe in the Bible as the Word of God as Muslims do in the Qur'an. Thus, if no Muslim can change the text of the Qur'an, how is it that a Christian can change the text of the Book of the all-wise God, the Holy Bible? If a mischievous Muslim were to be so foolish as to change the text of any verse of the Qur'an, would not all Muslims consider him outside the pale of Islam and publish all the facts about him? In the same way, if some mischievous Christian were to change the text of any verse of Scripture, would not all other true Christians consider him outside the pale of their religion and make public the facts about him? Of course they would! From this you will see that the conten- tion of Muslims that the text of God's Word has been altered is absolutely without foundation and futile. I believe that this contention is held by Muslims who are generally quite ignorant of the Bible and of the faith and doctrines of Christians."

Then the clergyman gave me two Bibles, one in Persian and the other in Arabic, and urged me to read them. We thanked him and departed. To the object of the clergyman, who gave me the Bibles, I paid no attention. My own object in reading the Bible was to pick flaws in it, to prove from it the truth of Islam, and to silence Christians in argument. I did not even read through the Bible from beginning to end, but only those passages which Muslim controversialists quote in their writings. In short, as long as I remained in Dehli, I made it my business to carry on a controversy with Christians.

FURTHER STUDIES

At this time I made up my mind to go to Bombay. There I had the good fortune to meet Mawlavi Hidayat Ullah, who was highly respected in that region as a man of authority and great learning. His home was in Kabul, and he was well acquainted with my family. As soon as we came to know each other in Bombay, he gladly promised to give me instruction. He thought that my regular course of studies was nearly complete and advised me to give more attention to the study of literature. He also gave me permission to use his splendid library. I therefore began this study under his guidance. As the Mawlavi had spent most of his life in Constantinople, Egypt and Arabia, he was an expert in the subject. The fact that he gave me instruction in Persian, which was the mother tongue of us both, made my work much easier.

At this time another fine scholar an expert in logic and philosophy, came from Egypt and was appointed to a professorship in the Madrasa-i-Zakariyya. This was Mawlavi Abdul Ahad, who also belonged to Jalalabad District of Afghanistan. When I heard of his fame, I entered the Madrasa-i-Zakariyya and began a study of the final books on logic and philosophy. The mawlavi treated me as a son and gave me a room next to his own so that I might be able to call on him for help at any time.

FURTHER CONTROVERSIES WITH CHRISTIANS

One day during the course of a walk some of us students from our school arrived at Dhobi Talab. There we found some Christian preachers speaking to the people. Immediately my old enmity was aroused as I recalled my previous experience in Dehli. I was on the point of advancing towards the preachers when a fellow student restrained me saying, "Mawlavi Sahib, never mind these people. It is a waste of time to argue with them. These poor fellows neither know how to carry on a discussion, nor are they familiar with the rules of debate. They are paid to do this work and are fulfilling their duties so there is absolutely no use in arguing with them." "I know all about these people", I replied. "They may not know the art and rules of debate, but they certainly know how to lead people astray. It is the duty of every true Muslim to rescue his thought- less Muslim brethren from their plotting and deception." I stepped forward and began raising a host of objections to what they had said. They countered with a flurry of objections to my objections.

The discussion was finally cut short for lack of time. News of our encounter soon spread among the students of the school. They, too, were fired with zeal for engaging in controversy. We went regularly twice a week to meet the Christians in debate. Eventually two C.M.S. missionaries invited us to their home through Mr. Joseph Bihari Lal, their head catechist. While we were there, they suggested to us that the Dhobi Talab was too far for us to reach conveniently, and offered, if we really wanted to find out the truth about Christianity, to open a reading-room near our school, where we might carry on our investigation once a week to our heart's content. I gratefully accepted this offer. When they opened the reading-room, we met them there according to a fixed schedule.

When I perceived that the students in the school and my other friends knew nothing of the Christian religion and were inexperienced in debate, I rented another house on the advice of Mawlavi Abbas Khan Sahib. There we formed a society called "Nadwatul Mutakallimin". The aim of this society was to prepare controversialists against all non-Islamic religions, with special reference to Christianity.

When my instructor saw that I was always involved in controversy and that I had no other interest in life, he came into my room one day after evening prayers. Just at that time I was reading the Injil. He asked me what I was reading. I replied that it was the Injil. He responded angrily: "I fear lest you become a Christian". I was very much provoked at his reply and though I did not wish to seem disrespectful, I could not help saying: "Why should I become a Christian? Does the mere reading of the Injil make one a Christian? I am reading in order to destroy Christianity root and branch, not that I myself may become a Christian. You should encourage me in this matter instead of finding fault with me." He replied: "I said this because I have heard that he who reads the Injil becomes a Christian. Have you not heard what a certain poet has said: 'When he reads the Injil, the heart of the faithful turns away from Islam'?" "This information is inaccurate", I replied. After giving me further counsel, the Mawlavi returned to his own room.

JOURNEY TO ARABIA AND RETURN

This interesting religious conflict went on for some years, when suddenly I became possessed of the desire to make the pilgrimage to Mecca. Immediately I made the necessary arrangements, boarded the steamship, "Shah-i-Nur", for Jeddah, and thence went to Mecca. From Mecca I carried on a correspondence with the late Mawlavi Hassamud Din, editor of the "Kashful Haqaiq". On the day of pil- grimage I put on the pilgrim dress and proceeded to Arafat. On that day I saw a wonderful sight: the rich and the poor, the high and the low, all clad in the same white garment. It looked as if all the dead clad in their shrouds, had emerged from their graves to render their accounts. The sight brought tears to my eyes. But at the same time the thought struck me: "If Islam is not the true religion, what will my condition be on the Day of Resurrection?" Then and there I prayed to God: "O God, show me the true religion and Thy true way. If Islam is the true religion, keep me steadfast in it, and grant me grace to silence the opponents of Islam. If Christianity is the true religion, then reveal its truth to me. Amen."

After a brief visit to Medina I returned to Bombay. During my absence the "Nadwatul Mutakallimin" had disbanded. Immediately upon my return I organized another society in its place. I myself became president of this society, and Abdur Rauf was its secretary. At his house, near Grant Road, our organization held its meetings. One of our rules was that once a week a non-Muslim be invited to address us and that one of our members should answer the argument of our guest. Munshi Mansur Masih used to come regularly to speak for the Christians. Others came to speak on behalf of the Arya Samaj.

A VITAL ISSUE

One day Munshi Mansur Masih addressed us very convincingly that there is no salvation in Islam. The members of our society asked me to answer him. To the best of my ability I tried to prove that there is perfect and certain salvation in Islam. The audience appreciated my address. Yet I knew very well that my own argument left me unconvinced in my innermost being. In fact, as I spoke, I was compelled to admit the weakness of my position. Though I was making much more noise than my antagonist, his voice was thundering in my soul with an indescribable power.

It was nearly 11 p.m. when this discussion ended. I returned home and sat down to think carefully of what Munshi Mansur Masih had said. The more I thought, the more evident it became to me that salvation is the vital breath of religion and its necessary foundation. Without it a religion is not a religion.

Furthermore, I considered that all men agree that man, as his name indicates, is a bundle of forgetfulness, disobedience, and transgressions. His life never remains so pure as to be absolutely free from the stain of sin. Sin has become man's second nature. It is a true saying that "to err is human". The question is how can one escape accountability and punishment? How is one to be saved? What does Islam have to say about it? And what is the message of Christianity? It is my duty to investigate this important matter honestly and without prejudice. Should I find that salvation is certainly to be had through Islam, then I should thank God. How bright my eyes would be and how glad my heart! Otherwise I shall seek that religion which presents a satisfying plan of salvation. When I came to this decision, I fell on my knees in prayer before God and wept bitterly, covenanting that thereafter I should not read the Bible as I had been reading it. I would read it so that I, a miserable sinner might discover the way of salvation.

MY QUEST FOR SALVATION Accordingly, from that day onward I changed my attitude and, as a genuine seeker after truth, began reading and comparing the Bible with the Qur'an. For my further peace of mind I borrowed a copy of the Avesta from a Parsi friend and bought a copy of the Satyarth Prakash. Then I began to compare all these books. After reading the Avesta carefully and talking with Parsi scholars, I became still more dejected regarding the way of salvation, for there is no reasonable method of salvation set forth in this religion.

I turned next to the study of the Satyarth Prakash written by Swami Dayanand Sarasvati, which may be considered to be the most authoritative work in setting forth the doctrines of the Arya Samaj. I read it with the hope that I might find in it that for which I was searching. But instead, I found strange doctrines which made my hair stand on end. I learned from it that God cannot forgive sins. I was amazed at this and concluded that it was absolutely hopeless for anyone to join the Arya Samaj in the hope of gaining salvation. According to the Arya Samaj God could not forgive a man's sins, whether committed before or after his becoming a Arya Samajist. Hence, punishment is inescapable. Furthermore I discovered that the Arya Samaj does not consider salvation to be eternal. It became clear to me that there is no salvation with the Arya Samaj and that, even if salvation were obtained by one way or another, it would not be eternal. Consequently, since salvation is temporal, would not one continually fear that further happiness might be refused to him at any time? When I reached this point and saw there was no salva- tion here for a sinner like myself, I discontinued my study of Satyarth Prakash.

The most weighty task that still confronted me was that of the examination of the Qur'an and the most reliable of the Traditions. Before beginning my search for the doctrine of salvation in these works, I raised my hands to God in prayer: "O God, Thou knowest that I am, and was born, a Muslim, and that generation after generation of my ancestors were born into this religion and have died in it. In it I, too, have received my education, and in it I have been brought up. Therefore, now, remove every obstacle that would prevent me from discovering Thy true way, and show me the way of Thy salvation that, when I leave this transitory world, I may not be displeasing to Thee. Amen."

What I now found out through the study of the Qur'an was only what I had known before: that attaining salvation is dependent upon doing good works. I found many verses which declare this doctrine, but shall note only two of them here:

"But as for those who believe and do good works, for them are the Gardens of Retreat - welcome (in reward) for what they used to do. And as for those who do evil, their retreat is the Fire. Whenever they desire to issue forth from thence, they are brought back thither. Unto them it is said: Taste the torments of the Fire which ye used to deny." (Qur'an 32:19, 20)

"And who so doeth good an atom's weight will see it then. And who so doeth ill and atom's weight will see it then." (Qur'an 99:7,

At first glance these verses are very beautiful and consoling, but in my mind they raised a question: "Is it possible for us to do only good and no evil? Does man possess such power?" When I considered this carefully, and at the same time reckoned with the faculties and passions of man, it became clear to me that it is impossible for man to remain sinless. Nor has he the power continually to do good and only good.

The moral philosophers of Arabia have claimed that there are four faculties in man which give rise to all his actions. Of these four, three powerful faculties are working against the spiritual interest of man. There is only one, the angelic faculty, which impels man towards God, or helps him to obey God's commands. But its effects are hidden from man's sight. On the other hand, there is the com- bined strength of the other three faculties, together with the fact that their effects are such that man is at once delighted and motivated by them. Therefore, as the mind of man sees only what is on the surface and cares only for the present, he pays more atten- tion to worldly things and becomes careless of the things of the Spirit and of God. A distinguished Muslim has stated the matter thus:

"I am entrapped in four things, the ascendency of which is the cause of my misery and suffering. These four things are Satan, the world, lust and greed. How may I be free from these when all of them are my enemies? Evil desires allure me and throw me into the dark abyss of sensuality and pleasure."

The three faculties gained mastery over the angelic faculty, and Adam did the thing which God had forbidden him to do. The result has been manifestly inherited by his descendants down to the present time. According to a tradition:

"It is related from Abu Huraira that the Apostle of God said: "When God created Adam he stroked his back, and there fell from his back all the men whom he was creating from his descendants until the Day of Resurrection. And he placed before the eyes of each man of them a flash of light. Afterwards he brought them to Adam. Adam said: "O my Lord who are these?" He replied: "They are thy descendants." And he saw a man amongst them whose flash of light between his eyes astonished him. He said: "O my Lord, who is this? He replied: "David." Then he said: "O Lord, how long hast Thou fixed his life?" He replied: "Sixty years." Adam said: "My Lord increase it from my life by forty years" The Apostle of God said: "When the life of Adam was completed except for forty years, the angel of death came to him. And Adam said: "Are there not yet forty years of my life remaining?" He replied: "Didst thou not give them to thy son David?" Then Adam denied, and his descendants have denied, and Adam forgot and ate of the tree and his descendants have forgotten, and Adam sinned and his descendants have sinned." (Tirmidhi)

From this tradition it is clear that all the children of Adam are assuredly sinners, because Adam's sin has entered into all. Accordingly famous saints and religious leaders have confessed their sins. Thus Adam, the first of all the prophets, and Mother Eve say:

They said: "Our Lord! We have wronged ourselves. If Thou forgive us not and have not mercy on us, surely we are lost!" (Qur'an 7:23)

The prophet Abraham likewise says:

"Our Lord! Forgive me and my parents and believers on the day when the account is cast." (Qur'an 14:41)

The prophet of Islam himself makes this prayer:

"O God, wash my iniquities with snow-water." (Bukhari)

Abu Bakr the first Khalifah of the Prophet of Islam, says in his famous poem:

"O God, how shall I be saved, for there is no goodness in me? I am overwhelmed with iniquities, but am wanting in goodness."

In addition to all these evidences the Qur'an itself holds that all men are sinners:

"Lo! man is an ingrate unto his Lord. And lo! he is a witness unto that." (Qur'an 100:6,7)

In this connection the following thoughts confronted me: the Prophet Jesus also is a man. The Qur'an refers to the sin of the other prophets. But why does the Qur'an record no sin of Jesus? As I found that the Qur'an recorded only the sinlessness of Jesus, I therefore turned to the Injil. Here I found the following verses:

"Which of you convicts me of sin?" (John 8:46).

"For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God." (2 Corinthians 5:21)

"For we have not a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weakness, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sinning." (Hebrews 4:14)

"He committed no sin; no guile was found on his lips." (1 Peter 2:22)

"You know that he appeared to take away sins, and in Him there is no sin" (1 John 3:5)

Thus there was solid evidence to prove that with the exception of the Prophet Jesus, all mankind are sinful. Under these circumstances, who was I that I should claim to be able to gain salvation by good works, when many religious leaders and philosophers and saints had failed to run this impossible course?

Again I turned to the Qur'an to examine its teaching about the doctrine of salvation by works. I quote two verses only which make it clear that no human being, no matter what his status be, can escape perdition:

"There is not one of you but shall approach it. (2) That is a fixed ordinance of thy Lord. Then we shall rescue those who are kept from evil, and leave the evil-doers crouching there." (Qur'an 19:71, 72)

{ (2) Another translation reads: "There is not one of you who shall not pass through the confines of Hell ..." (N.J. Dwood The Koran, Penguin Books Ltd. Middlesex 1959). Still another translation reads: "No one is there of you who shall not go down unto it ..." (J.M. Rodwell The Koran, J.M. Dent and Sons London 1950).}

No one but myself knows with what terror, dismay, and disappoint- ment I read these words. I, a spiritually sick man, was reading the Qur'an as I would consult a physician, that it might offer me the remedy for my sinfulness. But, instead of giving me the remedy, it said to me: "Everyone of you will go to perdition, for this is the absolute duty of thy Lord".

But my natural love and attachment for the faith of Islam forbade me to make haste in making my personal decision. I thought it fitting to seek a commentary on this verse in the Traditions, that I might see what the Prophet of Islam himself had to say on this matter. After a long search, I found the following tradition in the Mishkat:

"Ibn Masud said that the Prophet of Islam said: All people shall enter hell. Then they will come out of it according to their works. Those who will come out first will do so like a flash of lightning, the next like a gale of wind, then like a horse at full speed, afterwards like a swift rider, then like a man springing, and finally, like the walk of a man." (Tirmidhi and Darimi)

The meaning of the previous verse was now clear. It is inevitable that every person should once enter hell and then emerge according to his works. Though the meaning of the Qur'an was plain and was supported by the statement of the Prophet of Islam himself, and though, had I wished, I might have ended my search at this point, yet I thought it best to seek its interpretation in the Qur'an itself. Accordingly, after a long search I came upon this verse:

"And if the Lord had willed, He verily would have made mankind one nation, yet they ceased not differing, save him on whom thy Lord hath mercy; and for that He did create them. And the Word of thy Lord hath been fulfilled: Verily I shall fill hell with the jinn and mankind together." (Qur'an 11:118, 119)

I was so stricken at reading this verse that I slowly closed the Qur'an and became absorbed in anxious thought. Even in sleep I found no rest, for my waking thoughts, taking form in the realms of dreams, made me uneasy. It was unspeakably hard for me to forsake the faith of my fathers; I should have been more willing to forsake life itself. For some time I kept trying to think of some method of evading the problem or some way of escape, so that I might not have to Leave Islam. With this intent I began to search for help in the Traditions. This was no easy matter, for the Traditions are contained in six thick volumes. Moreover, it is a most difficult task to apply the principles of the science of the Traditions to each tradition. Despite these difficulties I carried my work to completion with the help of God.

According to the Traditions, there are three ways of salvation. First, there is absolutely no connection between works and salva- tion. The very worst sinner, who has spent his whole life in breaking God's laws, may enter paradise. The best kind of man, having spent his life in good deeds, may enter hell. The following Traditions speak for themselves:

"Hazrat Anas relates that the Prophet of Islam was riding followed by Maadh. When the Prophet of Islam thrice repeated, "Anyone who honestly believes and repeats: "There is but one God and Muhammad is his prophet," shall never be doomed to the fire of hell, Maadh said: 'O Prophet of God, shall I not proclaim these tidings?' The Prophet answered: 'In that case they will believe in nothing else but this.'" (Mishkat)

On this subject there is a tradition handed down by Abu Dharr, the words of which force the conclusion that salvation by works is meaningless, for even the adulterer and the thief obtain salvation by the mere repetition of the words of the Muslim creed. The tradition runs thus:

"It is related from Abu Dharr that he said: 'I came to the Prophet, and he had a white cloth over him and was sleeping. Later on I came to him after he had awakened. Then he said: "Any servant of God who says: 'There is no God but Allah', and afterwards dies relying on that, will enter heaven." I said: "Although he commit adultery and theft?" he replied: "Although he have committed adultery and theft." I said: "Although he commit adultery and theft?" He replied: "Although he commit adultery and theft." I said: "Although he commit adultery and theft?" He replied: "Although he commit adultery and theft, and in spite of Abu Dharr. "'" (Muslim, Bukhari)

I found another tradition as comforting as a basket of sugar to a child, which promises that, whether a man does good or evil, by means of the repetition of a few words he can obtain paradise. It is as follows:

"It is related from Ubadah bin Samit that the Apostle of God said: 'Whoever bears witness that there is no God but Allah alone, and that He has no partner, and that Muhammad is His servant and His apostle, and that Jesus is the servant of God and His apostle and the son of His handmaid and His word which He cast into Mary and a spirit from Him, and that heaven and hell are true, God will take him into paradise, in spite of what his works may have been!"' (Muslim, Bukhari)

{The reader my kindly bear in mind that Christians do not deny the necessity for doing good works. Christians realize that they are to be always engaged in good works: However their salvation does not depend upon their works for no person can do more than is required of him. Thus no one can do excess works which might serve as an atonement for his evil works. See Luke 17:7-10. (Sultan)}

When I read these traditions, the question came into my mind whether it is just, that one who spent his life in doing evil and never thought of good, should enter into paradise at death, while another who has spent his life in the fear of God, continence, and good works should be cast into hell at death.

Secondly, it is shown in the Traditions that salvation is depen- dent on the mercy of God so much, that the Prophet of Islam himself is a needy beggar of this mercy. Unless God have mercy upon him, the Prophet himself cannot obtain salvation through works. One tradition is as follows:

"Abu Huraira reported that the prophet of Islam said: 'No one of you will enter Paradise through his good works.' They said: 'Not even you, O Apostle of God?' 'Not even I,' he replied, 'unless God cover me with His grace and mercy. Therefore be strong, and morning and evening, nay, every moment, try to do good. "' (Mishkat)

Compare also the following Tradition:

"Jabir reported that the Prophet of Islam said: 'No good works of yours can ever secure heaven for you, nor can they save you from hell - not even me, without the grace of God. '"

From the above Traditions I gathered that no one can obtain salvation unless God's mercy rests on him. This comforted me a little but at the same time I began to think: "If God is merciful, He is likewise just. If God should forgive by the exercise of His mercy alone, he would be evading the demands of His justice and righteousness. Such an evasion of His justice would indicate a defect in the being of God. Certainly such an act would be unworthy of the glory of God."

The third thing that became dear to me from the Traditions was that even the Prophet of Islam cannot save anyone, not even his daughter Fatimah or his relations. Hence, the idea that the Prophet would intercede for the faithful, which I thought would surely prove correct, was proved wrong.

One tradition runs thus:

"Abu Huraira related that when the verse, 'Cause thy near relatives to fear', was revealed to the Prophet of Islam, the Prophet arose and began to proclaim: 'Oh people of the Quraysh, and you sons of Abdul Manaf, and you Abbas son of Abdul Muttalib, and you, Safiyyah my aunt, I cannot save you from the punishment of the Day of Resurrection. Take care of yourself O my daughter Fatimah; you may use my property, but I cannot save you from God. Take care of yourself.'" (Bukari)

So, after an extended and penetrating study of the Traditions, there remained nothing more for further research. In sheer fear and desperation I closed the books of the Traditions also and thus prayed to God: 'O God, my Creator and my Lord who knowest the secrets of my heart better than I know them, Thou knowest how long I have been seeking Thy true religion. I have carried my investiga- tion as far as I have been able. Now therefore, open to me the door of Thy knowledge and Thy salvation. Grant that I may enter into the company of Thy people who are well-pleasing unto Thee so that, when I enter Thy glorious presence, I may be exalted and content. Amen."

In this desperate and depressed state of mind I again began to read the Holy Injil with the idea of correcting any possible defects in my investigations. As I opened the Holy Injil this time, my eyes fell on these words:

"Come to me, all who labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest." (Matthew 11:28)

I cannot say how I happened to alight upon this passage in the Gospel according to Matthew. I did not intentionally seek it. On the other hand, it was not a chance occurrence; it was the God-given answer to my hard labour and sincere investigation, For a sinner like me, it was indeed the supreme proclamation of good news. This life-giving verse had a tremendous effect upon me. It brought me peace, comfort and joy and immediately banished all uneasiness and uncertainty from my heart. The Messiah claims: "I will give you rest". He shows how salvation depends on Him. He does not merely point to a path which is above or beyond Him. But He says:

"I am the way, the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but by me". (John 14:6)

Yet the question came to my mind: "Can one have confidence in this extraordinary claim of Christ?" I concluded that one could rest upon it, for in the first place Christ is accepted by the Muslims as sinless, glorious in this world and the next, the Word of God, and the Spirit of God. These and other such descriptives applied to Jesus indicate perfection. Secondly, according to Christians He is perfect God and perfect man, free from all base passions and worldly ambitions. Hence it is impossible that Christ, who, accor- ding to both Muslims and Christians possesses the highest qualities, would sin or do anything unworthy of Himself.

Then I began to ponder how Christ promises to give me salvation. To set my mind at rest, I began to search through the Holy Injil and came upon this verse:

"Even as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give His life as a ransom for many." (Matthew 20:28)

On reading this verse, I discovered how God offers salvation. Christ gave His life for us sinners. This is a marvelous way to which the world can show no counterpart. Scores of men have founded religions in this world, but no one of them claimed that his death will serve for the forgiveness of sins. Christ alone not only made this claim but also fulfilled it.

At this thought I fell into a state of ecstasy. The picture of Christ and His love for men made an indelible impression on my heart. But while I was absorbed in this ecstasy, another question came to my mind: "What was the need of Christ's sacrifice and atonement? Could He not have given salvation without giving His life?" After a little further thought I found the answer to this also: God is both merciful and just. If Christ had promised salva- tion without giving His life, the demands of mercy would certainly have been fulfilled. In order to satisfy the demands of justice also, Christ paid the ransom, which was His precious blood. In this way God has manifested His love for us.

"In this is love, not that we loved God but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the expiation for our sins." (1 John 4:10)

In short, I continued my investigation in the New Testament, and read it several times from beginning to end. In the course of this reading I found hundreds of verses and scores of parables which proved to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that salvation (which is the very heart and purpose of religion) is available only through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. I quote here only one passage:

"Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks o those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world be held accountable to God. For no human being will be justified in His sight by works of the law, since through the law comes knowledge of sin. But now the righteous- ness of God has been manifested apart from law, although the law and the prophets bear witness to it, the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction; since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, they are justified by His grace as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as an expiation by His blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in His divine forbearance he had passed over former sins" (Romans 3:125)

MY DECISION AND CONFESSION

Accordingly, after completing investigations which I have de- scribed. I came to the conclusion that I would become a Christian. Under these circumstances it appeared to me to be honourable to present the whole matter before the society, that they might con- sider it and that I might be free from any charge of pursuing my investigation in secret.

I went to the meeting as usual. It was again the turn of Munshi Mansur Masih to speak. Before he began to speak, I interrupted by stating that on this occasion I myself would speak against Islam. Then I proceeded to describe the results of my many years of research. The officers of the society were amazed at my words but took comfort in the hope I would make the rebuttal to my own address. When I finished and took my seat, the vice-president said: "We hope that the president himself will make his own rebuttal to his unfavourable address " Again I arose and said: "Listen to me, my friends. What I have explained to you is not something which is superficial and fabricated. It is a matter which is certain and decisive, based on years of investigation. To be more specific, it began on that day when Munshi Mansur Masih addressed us on the subject of salvation. At that time I promised God that henceforth I would read the Holy Bible, not as I had read it previously but as a seeker after truth, so that the way of truth and righteousness might be revealed to me. Accordingly, setting aside prejudice and philoso- phical quibbling, I compared with one another the Avesta, Satyarth Prakash, the Bible and the Qur'an. I came to the conclusion that salvation is to be found in Christ only. That is all I have to say. If there is any defect in my investigation, I shall be grateful if any of you gentlemen will point it out. On the other hand, if you yourselves wish me to make the rebuttal to these arguments, I tell you frankly that I cannot answer them. Nor is there hope of an answer from anyone else."

I left the meeting, as it was not prudent for me to remain there longer. Munshi Mansur Masih immediately followed me. When he over- took me, he threw his arms around my neck and began to shed tears of joy, saying in a trembling voice: "You must come home with me tonight. It is not safe for you to spend the night alone in your room." I replied that the officers of my organization were educated gentlemen, and that I need fear nothing from them. "Of course", I added, "there are others which one must fear. I shall come to your house before daybreak. If I am not there by that time, you may kindly come to my lodging."

After making this arrangement, we separated. I went to my room, bolted the door from the inside, and extinguished the light. I sat down, immersed in thought. I shall never forget the fearful fancies and the spiritual struggle of that night. It was a night of deci- sion, a night of most desperate testing. At times the thought confronted me that, if I should become a Christian, I should lose my country, my inheritance, my rights, my family, my friends - in short everything. I was also bothered by the idea that becoming a Christian would mean entering a world where manners and all else would be different from that to which I had been accustomed. Sleep was impossible that night. Finally I said to myself: "Sultan, consider that you are the child of an hour and the world is fleeting. When you die, your country and your inheritance will be of no benefit to you, nor will your family and friends be of help to you. All these belong to this world alone. Nothing but your faith can go beyond the grave. Therefore it is not wise to forsake eternal life and spiritual happiness for the sake of this transitory life." Then I bowed my knees before God and offered this prayer: "O omni- potent, eternal God, searcher of hearts, I yield myself to Thee. Accept this offering and protect me from all the snares of the devil and from spiritual dangers. Remove from my heart the world and its desires. Grant me courage and strength that I may be able to confess Thine only Son Jesus Christ publicly before all men. Hear and accept my prayer for the sake of Jesus Christ. Amen."

After I had finished this prayer, I felt somewhat drowsy and slept for a short time. When I awoke, I felt altogether happy and cheerful. No shadow of the former worry and uneasiness bothered me. The day was breaking. I quickly washed and left for the home of Munshi Mansur Masih. When I arrived there, I found he had been very much worried because I had not come. He knew that I was accustomed to tea at that hour and had already prepared some for me. After I finished tea, we talked things over for a short time and then enga- ged in prayer. After prayer we went to the home of Padre Ledgeard.

The padre was surprised at our early arrival. Munshi Mansur Masih proceeded to tell him that I had come to be baptized. At first he thought we were not in earnest. But when he heard what had taken place on the preceeding night, he immediately rose and embracing me, said: "I knew that if you would read the Bible seriously you would surely become a Christian. Thank God that you have been convinced." He then promised to baptize me three days later and advised me during the interval to memorize the Ten Commandments, the Apostles' Creed and the Lord's Prayer. He further counseled me not to stay among Muslims. Upon his invitation to stay either with himself or with Munshi Mansur Masih, I decided to accept the second alternative.

When Sunday came, the whole church was filled with Muslims. Seeing the danger, Mr Ledgeard postponed my baptism. Finally, by the grace and mercy of God, I was baptized on the 6th August 1903, in St. Paul's Church, Bombay. My baptism took place in the presence of the following persons: Rev. Canon Ledgeard, who baptized me, Munshi Mansur Masih, and two other gentlemen whose names I cannot now recall. Immediately after the ceremony I was sent to Kanpur, since it was dangerous for me to remain in Bombay.

When I became a Christian, a wonderful change took place in my life. My speech, actions, and whole manner of life were so trans- formed that a year later, when I visited Bombay for a short time, my Muslim friends wondered at it. They marveled at my mildness, for they knew how easily I used to lose my temper.

Before I became a Christian, I recognized sin to be sin. But I did not realize, as I do now, what a dangerous and destructive force sin is. Although I am still merely a weak man and a handful of dust, yet, when I have sinned, I cannot describe the shame and sorrow with which I am filled. Immediately I fall on my face and with tears I repent and beg for forgiveness. This attitude can be acquired only by the recognition of the atoning sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ. Sin. cannot be removed by repentance alone. It must be cleansed by the sacred blood of our Saviour. For this very reason the world, which makes light of sin, is daily approaching nearer and nearer to destruction.

Though Satan war against me with all the power at his disposal, I am not in the least disturbed because I believe that Christ has crushed his head. Satan cannot harm Christ's faithful servants, nor can he prevail against them. May God, the Creator of heaven and earth, the Searcher of hearts, turn the hearts of my Muslim brethren as He turned mine, and give them vision, so that they too, remem- bering the Day of Judgment, may realize their deep spiritual need and come into the fold of the Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.

I am, my dear Muslim brothers,

Your spiritual well-wisher

Sultan Muhammad Khan

Wizeboy: Try to check the meaning of ignorance in your dictionary to see that I am very correct to use that word for your comment. I use such comment based on the fact that you are quick to call the prophet of God (Muhammad) a terrorist and all such of bad name without giving cogent evidences. So, calling you ignorance of the issue does not mean violence and I have never abuse you in all the comment I have posted (try to cross-checked it again) but rather you have call Prophet Muhammed and Muslims so many names which I didnt reply you. So, please get that right.

As for Muslims respecting Jesus, It is in our Quran that we should respect all prophet. Let me list out our ARTICLES OF FAITH for you, so that you will know that it is not only Jesus we Muslims respect but all the prophet from Adam to Muhammed (SAW):
ARTICLES OF FAITH
1. Believe in Oneness of God (Allah)
2. Believe in All Books (Books that have not been tampered with by human beings)
3. Believe in all Prophets (from Adam to Muhammed (SAW) - you will also see their lifestyle and story in the Quran)
4. Believe in Angels
5. Believe in the Day of Resurrection
6. Believe in Judgement Day
With this I think you will know better why Muslims give so much respect to ISA (JESUS).


Answering ONLY ONE of my numerous questions mean that you accepted all my assertions on your belief. And for the one you answer, about the Holy Spirit which you said I didnt understand in your explanation. Please kindly answer the following questions to clarify the issue of John 14:26 which you quote.

The only place in the Bible where the Paraclete was called the Holy Spirit is in John 14:26 "But the Paraclete, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you". What has the Holy Spirit brought or taught for the last 2000 years?

1. Christians say that the Paraclete means the Holy Spirit (John 14;26). Jesus said in John 16:7-8 "If I do not go away the Paraclete will not come to you". This could not mean the Holy spirit, since the Holy spirit was said to have been there before Jesus was even born as in Luke 1:41 "Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit". Here, the Holy spirit was also present during Jesus life time. So how could this fit with the condition that Jesus must go away so that the Holy spirit will come?

2. In John 16:7-8, it says: "But if go, I will send him to you. And when he comes, he will convict the world of sins and of righteousness and of Judgment". What do "he" and "him" refer here? Don’t they refer to a man?

3. Does the Holy Spirit talk to good Christians and bad Christians as well? Is the Holy spirit with them all the time or just at certain times? When does it start visiting a person who wants to become a Christian?

4. How can you as a Christian tell if the Holy Spirit is inside another Christian? How come many Christians fooled people by claiming that the Holy spirit was inside them only to be converted to another religion later on ?

5. Does the Holy Spirit dictate what Christians should do without choice or freedom at all or does it only guide them and they have the freedom to follow or not ?

6. If the Holy Spirit dictates what Christian should do, why do Christians commit sins and make mistakes ? How can you explain the conversion to other religions and atheism of many Christians? Are they told to do that by the Holy Spirit?

7. If the Holy Spirit guides Christians only, and they are free to do what they want, then how do we know that the writers of the Gospels didn’t make mistakes in writing them?

8. If Christians believe that the Holy Spirit comes and talks to them everyday, why don’t they ask the Holy Spirit about which version of the Bible to follow since there are too many versions floating around?

Answer all those things up there and vividly explain what they mean. After that, you called your religion CHRISTIANITY true religion. How can a religion be true when the Books they followed has been tampered with several times and lots of contradictions are contained inside. Kindly go through the followings contradictions in the Bibles (I have 101 of them but due to time I will only give you 20 to clarify):

1. Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?
God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)

2. In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?
Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

3. How many fighting men were found in Judah?
Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

4. God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?
Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
Three (I Chronicles 21:12)

5. How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?
Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)

6. How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?
Eighteen (2 Kings 24:
Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)

7. How long did he rule over Jerusalem?
Three months (2 Kings 24:
Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)

8. The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time?
Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:
Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)

9. When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?
After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)
Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)

10. How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?
Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)
Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)

11. When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?
One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)
Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)

12. How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?
Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26)
Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)

13. In what year of King Asa's reign did Baasha, King of Israel die?
Twenty-sixth year (I Kings 15:33 - 16:
Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1)

14. How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple?
Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2)
Three thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16)

15. Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?
Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26)
Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5)

16. Of the Israelites who were freed from the Babylonian captivity, how many were the children of Pahrath-Moab?
Two thousand eight hundred and twelve (Ezra 2:6)
Two thousand eight hundred and eighteen (Nehemiah 7:11)

17. How many were the children of Zattu?
Nine hundred and forty-five (Ezra 2:
Eight hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:13)

18. How many were the children of Azgad?
One thousand two hundred and twenty-two (Ezra 2:12)
Two thousand three hundred and twenty-two (Nehemiah 7:17)

19. How many were the children of Adin?
Four hundred and fifty-four (Ezra 2:15)
Six hundred and fifty-five (Nehemiah 7:20)

20. How many were the children of Hashum?
Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:19)
Three hundred and twenty-eight (Nehemiah 7:22)

On a final note, let me now give you some quote and video of your former Christians fellow who have found the truth and I pray Almighty Allah touch your heart and guide your ways to see the light in order not to continue going astray:

"I am an ex-christian who ,before converting to islam,studied christian theology at the Catholic University in Washington Dc.and for years now I am yet to meet or hear about a "learned" muslim who converted to another religion it is always people who had zero knowledge of islam but were born to muslim family or someone who never accepted islam to begin with.On the other side I met so many priests,bible students who converted to islam". Robert -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOZSrPF5GNo in that link also, kindly listen to a great Christian Ministers before and how he found the truth.

Kindly watch this video also to clarify more of why LEARNED CHRISTIAN who really know Bible inside out convert to Islam:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYMKQKSV0bY&feature=relmfu

READ THIS CAREFULLY as I will be willing to hear from you again. But please NO ABUSE ON ANY PROPHET AND GOD (or whatsoever), always try to make your analysis very clean without any abuse. Thanks so much for your understanding.

PEACE......

Over 4000 years ago, the Bible predicted that the earth was circular in shape (Isaiah 40:22). Today, it has been proved scientifically that d earth is spherical.

But according to the Quran, Alexander the Great (called Dhul-Qarnayn) traveled so far east that he ended up finding the actual place where the sun physically sets!

'I will recite to you a mention of him. We established him in the land, and We gave him a way to everything; and he followed a way until, WHEN HE REACHED THE SETTING OF THE SUN, HE FOUND IT SETTING IN A MUDDY SPRING, and he found nearby a people. We said, 'O Dhool Karnain, either thou shalt chastise them, or thou shalt take towards them a way of kindness.' He said, 'As for the evildoer, him we shall chastise, then he shall be returned to his Lord and He shall chastise him with a horrible chastisement. But as for him who believes, and does righteousness, he shall receive as recompense the reward most fair, and we shall speak to him, of our command, easiness.' Then he followed a way until, when he reached the rising of the sun, he found it rising upon a people for whom We had not appointed any veil to shade them from it. S. 18:83-90 Arberry

Here are a few more English versions of Q. 18:86 for good measure:

Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found IT SETTING IN a muddy spring… (Pickthall)

Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found IT SET IN a spring of murky water. (Y. Ali)

Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found IT SETTING IN a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. (Hilali-Khan)

The noted Muslim translator, Abdullah Yusuf Ali, stated in his Quran translation that,

2430. This is the first of the three episodes here mentioned, his expedition to the west. "Reaching the setting of the sun" does not mean the extreme west, for there is no such thing. West and East are relative terms.

It means a western expedition terminated by a “spring of murky water.” This has puzzled Commentators, and they have understood this to mean the dark, tempestuous sea.

If Dhul al Qarnayn is Alexander the Great, the reference is easily understood to be to Lychnitis (now Ochrida), west of Macedonia. It is fed entirely by underground springs in a limestone region, where the water is never very clear. (Bold emphasis ours)

Saying that this passage has puzzled Muslim commentators is to put it mildly.

This, perhaps, is one of the clearest evidences that the Quran could not have been revealed by the one true God of all since God would know better than to say that the sun literally sets in a spring of water.

Realizing how damaging this story is to the so-called divine origin of the Quran, Muslims have come up with various explanations in order to explain away this gross scientific blunder. However, these feeble and misguided attempts of salvaging the Quran from its major errors and contradictions overlook one important fact: It conveniently ignores Muhammad’s exposition of his own scripture, and fails to consult his interpretation and understanding of this specific passage.

Here is what Muhammad believed concerning the setting place of the sun:

91. Abu Dharr narrated, “Once I was with the Prophet (riding) a donkey on which there was a saddle or a (piece of) velvet. That was at sunset. He said to me, ‘O Abu Dharr, do you know where this (sun) sets?’ I said, ‘Allah and His Messenger know better.’ He said, ‘It sets in a spring of murky water, (then) it goes and prostrates before its Lord, the Exalted in Might and the Ever-Majestic, under the Throne. And when it is time to go out, Allah allows it to go out and thus it rises. But, when He wants to make it rise where it sets, He locks it up. The sun will then say, “O my Lord, I have a long distance to run.” Allah will say, “Rise where you have set.” That (will take place) when no (disbelieving) soul will get any good by believing then.’” (Ahmad) (The Translation of: The Meaning of the Fifty Hadith of Jame Al-uloom Wal-Hakim (“A Compilation of Knowledge and Wisdom”), compilation by Ibn Rajab al-Hanbali (736 H-795 H), translated and spotlights by Yaseen Ibrahim al-Sheikh (Vol. 1), A Selection of Authentic Qudsi (Sacred) Hadiths, translated by Muhammad M. ‘Abdul-Fattah, edited by Reima Youssif Shakeir (Vol. 2) [Dar Al-Manarrah for Translation, Publishing & Distribution], pp. 319-320)

And:

(3991) Abu Dharr said: I was sitting behind the Apostle of Allah who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: IT SETS IN A SPRING OF WARM WATER (hamiyah).3408 (Prof. Ahmad Hasan, Sunan Abu Dawud – English Translation With Explanatory Notes [Sh. Muhammad Ashraf, Publishers, Lahore, 1984], Volume III. Chapters 1338-1890, XXV. Kitab Al-Ahruf Wa Al-Qira’at [Book of Dialects and Readings Of The Qur’an], Chapter 1498, p. 1120

3408. Qur’an, xviii. 86. The word hami’ah in this verse has two readings. Abu Ja‘far, Abu ‘Amir, Hamzah, al-Kisa’i and Abu Bakr read it hamiyah with long vowel a. Hamiyah means warm water. The others read it hami’ah meaning musky water. (Ibid.)

Not only do we have a gross scientific error, we also have a variant reading. This shows that, contrary to Muslim propaganda, the Quran hasn’t been perfectly preserved since the extant manuscripts and the Islamic traditions show that it contains variant and conflicting readings.

a different translation of Abu Dawud’s report:

4002. It was narrated that Abu Dharr said: “I was riding behind the Messenger of Allah while he was on a donkey, and the sun was setting. He said: ‘Do you know where this (sun) sets?’ I said: ‘Allah and his Messenger know best.’ He said: ‘IT SETS IN A SPRING OF WATER (fa innaha taghrubu fi ‘ainin hamiyah).’” (SAHIH) (English Translation of Sunan Abu Dawud, Compiled by Imam Hafiz Abu Dawud Sulaiman bin Ash‘ath – From Hadith no. 3242 to 4350, ahadith edited and referenced by Hafiz Abu Tahir Zubair ‘Ali Za’i, translated by Nasiruddin al-Khattab (Canada), final review by Abu Khaliyl (USA) [Darussalam Publishers & Distributors, First Edition: July, 2008], Volume 4, 29. The Book Of The Recitations And Readings Of The Qur’an, p. 375)

Since this particular hadith is classified as sahih or sound, meaning that the Muslims who passed on this tradition were all deemed trustworthy and reliable, it therefore cannot simply be dismissed as a weak or fabricated narration.2

Hence, what this means for Muslims is that, according to the so-called reliable traditions, their prophet erroneously thought that the sun physically descends into a spring of water every time it sets!

It also shows that Q. 18:86 cannot be interpreted allegorically or metaphorically, but must be taken at face value. Muhammad’s interpretation establishes the fact that the Quran isn’t simply narrating what Alexander the Great saw or perceived to be the case, but is reflecting the actual belief and view of the author. And since Muslims claim that Allah is the author of the Quran, this means that Allah truly thought that the sun literally sets in a muddy spring!

It is obvious why Muslim apologists do not wish to mention and make known Muhammad’s explanation of the Quran’s claim that the sun sets in a muddy spring. They obviously don’t want people to know that Muhammad actually believed that the sun literally sets in a spring of water!

So much for the repeated Muslim assertion that the Quran is free from all scientific mistakes.

Also

1 There is another hadith in Musnad Ahmad where Muhammad is reported to have said that the sun actually descends into hell!

Yazeed bin Harun narrated to us, from al-Awam, from a slave of Abdullah ibn Amru, from Abdullah bin al-Aas who said: “The messenger of Allah saw the sun when it went down and said (it went) into Allah’s hell fire. If it was not for the order intended for it (the sun) by Allah, it would have destroyed all that is on the earth.” (Musnad Ahmad, Hadith No. 6895)

The above is a literal translation. Here is a dynamic equivalent translation:

“When the messenger of Allah saw the sun setting down he said: It went into Allah’s hell fire. If it was not for Allah’s purpose for the sun it would have destroyed what is on the earth.”

2 These particular narratives still pose a major problem for the Muslims who reject the hadiths altogether. It is evident that whoever composed these reports clearly understood that the plain reading of Q. 18:86 meant that the sun literally sets in a muddy spring. The compiler(s) was/were obviously well versed in the Arabic language and could see that the grammar and the syntax of this particular verse ruled out the possibility of this being interpreted metaphorically or allegorically.

In other words, the very existence of such reports proves that the obvious and unambiguous meaning of the manifestly clear Arabic of Q. 18:86 is that the sun physically descends into a spring of water.

To, therefore, argue that this is not what the verse is saying basically means that the author(s) of the Quran failed to express his/her/their intended point clearly. Yet such a position would contradict and be in direct opposition to the Quran which repeatedly claims to be written in clear Arabic so that others can understand its message:

Thus doth God MAKE CLEAR His Signs to you: In order that ye may understand. S. 2:242 Y. Ali

Alif Lam Ra. A Book whose verses ARE SET CLEAR (ohkimat), and then distinguished, from One All-wise, All-aware: S. 11:1 Arberry

A. L. R. These are the Ayats of Revelation, - of a Qur'an that makes things clear. S. 15:1 Y. Ali

And indeed We know that they (polytheists and pagans) say: "It is only a human being who teaches him (Muhammad)." The tongue of the man they refer to is foreign, while this (the Qur'an) is a clear Arabic tongue. S. 16:103 Hilali-Khan

We verily, have made it a Qur'an in Arabic, that you may be able to understand (its meanings and its admonitions). S. 43:3 Hilali-Khan Mecca

By the manifest Book (this Qur'an) THAT MAKES THINGS CLEAR, S. 44:2 Hilali-Khan – cf. Q. 2:187, 219, 242, 266; 3:103, 118; 4:26, 176; 5:89; 24:18, 58-59, 61; 57:17

Hence, no matter what view a Muslim opts for in trying to explain away this serious blunder in the Quran, s/he is still left with major problems.

The only reason why Muslims deny the plain and obvious meaning of this verse is because they refuse to believe that the Quran is not the word of God and that Muhammad is not a true prophet. As a result, they need to come up with some explanation which will justify their belief in a scripture that they have been erroneously duped into thinking is the divinely dictated speech of the Creator of the heavens and earth.

Sweetnecta: @ Vemmawealth: since Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, etc including were not Christians and their way was not Christianity, what is their fate based on the bold? Heck, the non christian man Jesus said many will be shunned by him. he was not talking about the muslims, you know, but those calling themselves christians. How is Christianity the true and acceptable way of living by God when Jesus did not live like that and there is no statement of approval of christianity by God in the whole Bible? if you have Jesus living like christians and or God approval of the living lifestyle of christians, show them or it. mere statement that has no factual support is meaningless; it is jaw jocking.

My answers will be short. Ask God for understanding.

Christianity is not a religion but a way of life. Men could not meet the expectation of God. So he sent Jesus to be an example to all men. Christianity is derived from his name CHRISTianity. It simply means living like Christ. Its impossible that Abraham that was called by God in Genesis 12:1 will be living like Jesus he never met.

Sweetnecta: Let me tell you what the jews will say about your trinity; you claim it is Jehovah. the jews believe you have jehovah. i think it is jehovah, too. this is the reason you say Halleluyah, which does not resemble neither Jehovah nor Yahweh, but Allah in Syriac; Ellah. And Jesus did not say Jehovah or Yahweh on the cross [i dont believe the biblical account], but said Ellah so much so that the people thought he said Elias. Get a bible and learn before you through yourself headlong into Islamiic and Arabic discussion, that is so much way over your head.

Read Exodus 6:3, Is 12:2, 26:4, Ps 83:18 to see the name of God.

You said a lot of things but they are not clear enough as I didn't get d point u are trying to make

Sweetnecta: you have not seen a person who suffer epileptic seizure. such a person will have no memory of the episode and or what happened in it.

so to say receiver of the Quran suffered such seizure, then he must have been a superior superman to remember all these details so much so that the Bible is pale to it.

I didn't say epilepsy. I said seizures. There are other seizures different from epilepsy.

Sweetnecta: @Vemmawealth: If islam is a deception, point to one religion for sure that is not a deception, if you are what you are talking about? I will be waiting to read your honest "truth".

Christianity is the true and acceptable way of living by God.

Sweetnecta: And since Allah is the arabic word for "the god", could you write out for us the arabic word for "The God"?

In english language, there is what is called definite and indefinite articles. An article is definite when the receptor of a message have a fore knowledge of it. "The" is d pre-fix for definite article. Also an article is indefinite when d receptor has no fore knowledge of it. "a" or "an" is d prefix for indefinite article. Articles have to be differentiated

"God" is used to denote Jehovah of d bible becos he's God and his status need no differentiation. He's supreme and above every of his creation. Whoever named Allah referred to him in definite terms for emphasis but Jehovah needs no emphasis of man.

Sweetnecta: And since "illah" is the Arabic word for God, could write out for us to see the Arabic word for "god"?

I used illah so everyone can see the "i".Upper case "I" when placed beside lower case "L" looks like L and confusing.

Sweetnecta: And could you write the arabic sentence meaning "there is no god but "The God", since "la illah ill Allah" s not it?

Every thing people worship apart from Jehovah is "god".Note d lower case "g".

You can now fill in d gap.

dtemidare: There are legitimate means of voting out any public officer from office not by by stealing Government DOC.

let me ask you would you prefare solving a crime by commiting another?

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Ask your oga- Mimiko- what he's trying to hide. He's a criminal and that's why he's afraid. He's celebrating water fountain and events hall as achievement after he has over spent d budget. He's going to end up in jail with his Assembly collaborator who rubber stamped his extra budgetary spending. You are one of his apologist obviously. Tell him his days are numbered.

Awon ole. Jegudu jera

Wizeboy: The more you talk the more you show how ignorant you are, I ask you so many question in my last post, but you refuse to answer any of the questions ask, instead you jump on another false and erroneous conclusion. I believe you dont really know what you are saying. I told you not to abuse the prophet but you refuse and start saying nonsense to the prophet which your Bible even confirm.

Now I want you to clarify some of your Bible verses for me. If you didnt clarify this Bible verse this time around, I will assume you are confused and dont know what you are saying (and I will end this discussion here without replying you again).

YOUR BIBLE CONFIRM THE COMING OF PROPHET MUHAMMED

Read the following Bible verse which Jesus said and answer a simple question that follow:

John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever"

John 15:26 "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me"

John 14:26 "But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

John 16:7-14 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you."

1. Who is the Comforter being referred to by JESUS
2. he will guide you into all truth; for he shall not speak of himself but what he shall hear (that) shall he speak and he will shew you things to come (Can you deny the fact now that Prophet Muhammed is been sent by it was confirmed by JESUS).


JESUS said he will guide you into all truth (Who is he really referring to?):

In the above verses Jesus (peace be upon him) is quoted as saying "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth." What does Jesus (peace be upon him) mean by "ye cannot bear them now"? If we were to read the Bible, we would find many verses throughout the Bible wherein Jesus (peace be upon him) bemoans the lack of understanding he was constantly greeted with from his disciples throughout his ministry:

"And he(Jesus) saith unto them(the disciples).....O ye of little faith." (Matthew 8:26)

"...and (Jesus) said unto him(Peter), O thou of little faith." (Matthew 14:31)

"he (Jesus) said unto them(the disciples), O ye of little faith." (Matthew 16:

"And he(Jesus) said unto them(the disciples), Where is your faith?" (Luke 8:25)

Notice that these are not common Jews who he is saying these words to, but his own elect disciples. The Bible vividly illustrates how he is constantly going out of his way to simplify matters for them and to speak to them as one speaks to little children. However, even at that, they still misunderstand. He is finally driven to frustration and made to say:

"And Jesus said, Are ye even yet without understanding?" (Matthew 15:16)

and "And Jesus answering said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you, and suffer you?" (Luke 9:41)


HE SHALL NOT SPEAK OF HIMSELF

"For he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak:" This too is an interesting statement. It reminds us of the verses of Deuteronomy 18:18-19

" I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require [it] of him." (Deuteronomy 18:18-19)

It is also interesting to read the words of the Qur'an:
"Nor does he (Muhammad) speak of his own desire. It is but an Inspiration that is inspired [unto him]" (The noble Qur'an, Al-Najm(53):3-4)


Let me conclude this section with the following quotation from the Gospel of John:

"These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended. They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me. But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you. But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou? But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart. Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you[i][/i]; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you." (John 16:1-15)

YOUR RELIGION REFUSE TO FOLLOW GOD'S WORD

"Isaiah 65:3 They keep making me angry by sneering at me, while offering sacrifices to idols in gardens and burning incense to them on bricks. (4)They spend their nights hiding in burial caves; they eat the meat of pigs, cooked in sauces made of stuff unfit to eat. (5) And then they say to others, "Don't come near us! We're dedicated to God." Such people are like smoke, irritating my nose all day." (CEV Bible, Isaiah 65:3-5)

Here we see that the pork eaters are so detested by GOD Almighty that He likened them to smoke irritating His Nose all day. This is a very powerful statement regarding eating pork and how detestable it is to GOD Almighty in the Bible. Read further in this chapter:

"12 Your luck will end! I will see to it that you are slaughtered with swords. You refused to answer when I called out; you paid no attention to my instructions. Instead, you did what I hated, knowing it was wrong." (CEV Bible, Isaiah 65:12)

Again, here we see GOD Almighty supposedly affirming that eating pig's meat is something he hates. We further read in this chapter:

"15I, the LORD God, promise to see that you are killed and that my chosen servants use your names as curse words. But I will give new names to my servants. 16I am God! I can be trusted. Your past troubles are gone; I no longer think of them. When you pray for someone to receive a blessing, or when you make a promise, you must do it in my name. I alone am the God who can be trusted." (CEV Bible, Isaiah 65:15-16)

Christians pray to Jesus and seek Jesus, a mere creation of GOD Almighty, for blessings, forgiveness, guidance and mercy. Yet, Isaiah 65:16 strictly prohibits this. (Did you abide by this rule?)

The Bible's overwhelming corruption, even according to it's own theologians!

The Bible's books and gospels, according to its own translators and theologians, were

1. Written by mysterious men.
2. Written by an unknown number of men.
3. Written in unknown places.
4. Written in unknown dates.

5. Paul never even met Jesus Christ in person while the latter was on earth. It is falsely claimed that Jesus appeared to Paul while Paul was on his way to Damascus after the "crucifixion" (Acts 9:2-4. Note: Paul's name used to be Saul. Yet, Paul admittedly wasn't even sure whether the Holy Spirit was inspirning him or not).

6. None of the disciples, even in the false writings attributed to them, ever claimed that their writings were inspired or Divine. Not only that, but we even ironically see that:

Luke for instance, wrote his "gospel" for the sake of another person and not GOD Almighty. See below for details.
The disciples even fought with each others
We read about direct invitations to dinner and other occasions between the disciples in the "books" [1].
According to the commentaries below, all of the books of the bible were altered and corrupted.

The Bible's own theologians even admit that the bible contains "fictions", its original manuscripts "had been lost", and contains "fairy tails and fables".

And, it is also an indisputable fact that the Bible:

Is filled with ample contradictions, man's alterations, corruption, and false scientific absurdities.

Is written in third-party narrations, which is why we find in all of the gospels' titles "This gospel according to....", and countless verses that speak about the disciples and about their activities in third-party narrations, which proves that the books and gospels were certainly not written by them.

This also means that much gossips and exaggerations and fabrications were made up and inserted into the books and gospels. So even if, for instance, some people back then thought that Jesus was crucified, they in reality never actually saw it. It could very well be that they've only heard about it from a neighboring town and believed it. There are certainly in the books and gospels:

Too much gossips.

Too wide of date gaps by the decades between when the supposed event took place and when it was actually written, by hand, in the corrupt gospels.

Too many unknown people wrote the stories.

Too many Prophecies in the Old Testament that promise that Jesus Christ, the Messiah, will be saved from the crucifixion.

Too many mistranslations and desperate misinterpretations in Isaiah 53 and elsewhere.

This also means that the books and gospels were definitely not inspired by GOD Almighty. Paul, again, even admits that he had his delusions and doubts.

Again, Allah Almighty Said in the Glorious Quran: "Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: "This is from God," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (The Noble Quran, 2:79)"

Please read more of this on: http://www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah_65_and_66_declare_christianity_false.htm

FINALLY, though you gave me one video. Let me give you some link on how millions of Christians in the West are converting to Islam everyday:

http://www.google.com.ng/url?url=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D2NzR4BeEYXU&rct=j&sa=X&ei=m6MbUPjeDcOFhQe2-YHQCw&ved=0CGYQuAIwBQ&q=Christians+that+convert+to+Islam+from+2011&usg=AFQjCNHb1Z6Xh13Wo5bhBKFEmDlqPVGNAA

http://www.google.com.ng/url?url=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DaaLu6XqIfpw&rct=j&sa=X&ei=m6MbUPjeDcOFhQe2-YHQCw&ved=0CE4QuAIwAQ&q=Christians+that+convert+to+Islam+from+2011&usg=AFQjCNEOPGKhGvetkc2Z9nklZob4yy2kpA

http://www.google.com.ng/url?url=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DoD3ZIqbx4Zs&rct=j&sa=X&ei=m6MbUPjeDcOFhQe2-YHQCw&ved=0CGAQuAIwBA&q=Christians+that+convert+to+Islam+from+2011&usg=AFQjCNFOhaNHraK_Yr6QvA6Vf7UtZtFBSQ

On a final point, you could see that throughout my analysis, I didnt in anyway abuse ISA (JESUS) as we believe is one of our prophet and I will like you maintain that tempo, after reading this and you want to reply me. Please take note that I will only reply to your next comment if only:

1. You answer some questions which I ask you in this comment
2. Make your comment without abusing any prophet
3. And be more polite in your analysis, if not, I wouldnt reply your comment again.

Muslims display violence in every sense of d word. U were too quick to call me ignorant and u still repeat it this time. So again, u are still gullible because only gullible people will believe muhammad. This is no insult. It is for the purpose of deception that islam kind of respect Jesus. It is in order to lure xtians to islam.

You said d bible is distorted and exaggerated yet you are using it to authenticate muhammad though in a crafty manner. You choose to substitute Muhammad for the person of the holy spirit. Haba!!!! Thank God it was specifically mentioned in John 14:26 "But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance". Are u saying muhammad is d holy ghost? If it was not specifically mentioned, a lot of pple wld need a divine encounter b4 they can understand based on ur interpretation. But I know its not your fault because it had been sown into u in ur islamic school.

That's d only point I will respond to because of time but let me tell you that there is no salvation in islam because it was fabricated by muhammad. No angel gabriel spoke to him as he claimed. At best, a demon was working with him and that's why history has it that he was always having violent seizures whenever he wants to recite. D demon was obviously possessing him @ intervals. The comforter Jesus mentioned was not muhammad but d holy spirit. It was to make it possible for true christians to carry d spirit that was working in Jesus. So even after he went back to heaven, his spirit is here doing what he was doing at different locations per time.

When Jesus died and resurrected, he brought salvation to mankind with a very easy condition- just believe and accept him as lord and saviour. Satan, who has sworn not to occupy hell alone, was mad because d condition was too simple and a lot of people will make heaven and few with his demons and himself will occupy hell. If he knew that was d plan of God, he wld have prevented d killing of Jesus. But it was too late so he resolved into deceptions which among others Islam is one.

Mohammed was born about 650 years after Jesus had gone back having fulfilled his ministry. He suddenly began to hear from God that he has no son and that if your good deed outweighs your bad deed, u will enter heaven. He had no contention with any bible character but Jesus that he's only a prophet like others. That he's neither d Son of God nor d Saviour thereby leading every of his followers into hell which he did not deny because every muslim will enter hell -“There will be no one of you who will not enter Hell. This was an inevitable decree of your Lord. Afterwards he may save some of the pious, God-fearing Muslims out of the burning fire." -- Sura 19:71-72.

Based on d ambition/personality of muhammad, Satan find a willing tool in gave him d assignment to lure multitudes into hell. Muhammad simply use things that appeals to d canality nature of men to attract them to islam. Allah hates christians because he's Satan but disguised as God and because xtians are potential heaven citizens. For him u have no choice and cannot leave islam. His injunction is that you must be killed if u ever change from islam. But God of d bible says he wishes that no one shld perish but repent.

Ask yourself, what's d connection between God and moon/star/sun? Yet that's d symbol of islam that muslim put on mosques and bow to ignorantly. Everything God forbids in d bible d Quran allows it. Divorce, prostitution (mutta), murder, suicide, idolatry (moon/star), deception, compulsion, astrology, star-reading/gazing, voodooism, etc.

Don't get it twisted, Allah is Satan and that's why you believe d bible is distorted but Quran is not. Satan/Allah want u to believe Quran came directly from God and began to torture d career with seizures so violent that he falls and rolls on d floor. That cannot be God.

Peace

Wizeboy: Though I dont like replying any ignorant comment on religion, but it will be nice if I can clear some of your ignorant so that you will not be happy that you know but rather try to study more of the Quran with an open mind.



Muslims say in arabic: la illah ilallah/LA ILAHA ILLALLAH, (لا اله الا اله) it means, there is no DEITY, except for God (Allah).
In Arabic, the true translation of illah is DEITY.
ella/ila = except , spelled (إلا) in Arabic
Allah (اله) = GOD
Moreso, it is not "AbdAllah" that you typed, it is simply Abdullah عبدالله (Servant of God). Point of correction Allah is not one of the 360 idols they worship but simply Allat. (which I believe you should know that Allah is totally different from Allat).



First of all it is untrue that Muslim men are the only ones that get companions in heaven. The main reason why the Quran and hadith are stressing the fact that men will get virgin girls is because it more appealing to men than promising virgin men to women. Men are more sexually active and therefore are facing a lot of difficulty (especially in the teenage years) to remain chaste. There are a lot of temptations in this world. That is why that Allah keeps promising these virgin girls who are more superior to the women of this world to those that remain patient and steadfast. That way, this motivates the unmarried men to remain chaste and be patient because they know they have something better waiting for them in the next life. Because if they do not get it legally in the next life then they would get it illegally in this life.

These are some verses that show the equality that men and women receive when it comes to attaining the rewards of paradise.

Surah 3:195
So their Lord accepted their prayer: That I will not waste the work of a worker among you, whether male or female...

Surah 4:194
And whoever does good deeds whether male or female and he (or she) is a believer -- these shall enter the garden, and they shall not be dealt with a jot unjustly.

Surah 16:97
Whoever does good whether male or female and he is a believer, We will most certainly make him live a happy life, and We will most certainly give them their reward for the best of what they did.

Surah 33:35
Surely the men who submit and the women who submit, and the believing men and the believing women, and the obeying men and the obeying women, and the truthful men and the truthful women, and the patient men and the patient women and the humble men and the humble women, and the almsgiving men and the almsgiving women, and the fasting men and the fasting women, and the men who guard their private parts and the women who guard, and the men who remember Allah much and the women who remember -- Allah has prepared for them forgiveness and a mighty reward.

Surah 36:56: They and their wives shall be in shades, reclining on raised couches

Surah 39:34: They will have with their Lord whatever they desire; that is the reward of those who good.

Surah 43:70: Enter the garden, you and your wives; you shall be made happy.


I took my time to explain all your ignorance so that you will know and correct the wrong impression you and your colleague are saying and more (may have change of mind of the complete religion, which was prescribed by the Almighty Allah).

May God Almighty show you His way and guide you alright because who am I to convince you. It is fully said in the Quran that:

Quran 2:6
Verily, those who disbelieve, it is the same to them whether you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ) warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe.

Quran 2:7
Allâh has set a seal on their hearts and on their hearings, (i.e. they are closed from accepting Allâh's Guidance), and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be a great torment.

ISA (Jesus) also promise the same virgin and wine, read the following verses of the Bible:

VIRGINS PROMISE
Mathew 17
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
- How many houses, wives, harems, brothers and sisters will the hundredfold consist of in Heaven?

Drinking alcohol in the kingdom of God.
Matthew 26:29
29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Eating and drinking at the table of Christ.
Luke 22
30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel- meeting the prophets in the kingdom of God.

On a final note, please try to be tolerance in your analysis next time. Abusing some other people's believe does not make you an hero or a better person. You are in a Muslim Section and you keep on abusing the prophet of Allah is uncalled for please. We Muslims believe so much in all prophet including ISA (Jesus) and no true Muslims will ever abuse him as he is sent from the Almighty Allah. Your Bible told you NOT TO JUDGE but you refuse to heard the word of the scripture in which you say you follow. May Almighty God forgive you.

PEACE..... Maa Salam....

Eeya!!! you are a bit gullible. Can't you read between the lines?

1. Allah spoke to only one man muhammad throughout and even after the death of Muhammad, Allah is yet to speak to another man. Acts 10:34 told us "....God is not a respecter of persons.." How come no one has ever heard the voice of Allah apart from Muhammad? Even young Samuel heard God when he was with Prophet Eli (1 Samuel 3:4). Its also said in 2 Cor 13:1 that ".....In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established". But in the case of Islam, only muhammad is all knowing. Nobody else can hear his god but him.

2. Muhammad was a terrorist. Just read this:

http://answering-islam.org/Silas/terrorist.htm

3. Ask yourself,

(a) why do most Alfas, Imams, Alhajis happen to be Astrologers/star-readers/stargazers/necromancers/voodooist, etc. Its because they are worshiping moon/star/sun. Thats what they worship in Islam and its the symbol on every Mosque. You bow to it remotely and extended to Kaaba.

(b) Why must you face the east to pray to your Allah? If he’s d true God and is everywhere, must you face a particular direction before he can hear you? He must be limited in presence. Anyways, the sun rises from the east and that is why you face the door of your god. This was already prophesied by Prophet Ezekiel in Ez 8:15-16 as an abomination.

4. Allah/Muhammad said “There will be no one of you who will not enter Hell. This was an inevitable decree of your Lord. Afterwards he may save some of the pious, God-fearing Muslims out of the burning fire. -- Sura 19:71-72. Thank God you are dumb so you are going to hell.

5. But if you die in Jihad, you go to paradise straight. Hear Muhammad/allah: “Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme. -- Sura 9:111

6. Do you know that by Allah/Muhammad standard, you are an hypocrite? In the Hadith Mishkat Vol. 6, the mother of Haritha who died in a battle was assured by Mohammed that Haritha had attained d highest garden in Paradise because he died while fighting for islam. In that same Hadith, Mohammed also said: "he who dies without having fought, or having felt its his duty to fight will die guilty of Hypocrisy"

7. Mohammed encourage others to die in Jihad but he died @ home. Sura 4:74 downward It says:" let those who fight in d way of Allah, who sell d life of this world for another. Whoso fighteth in d way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him we shall bestow a vast reward......" This is the backing for suicide Bombing yet Muhammad died at home after deceiving multitudes with mind blowing sexxcapades in paradise. There is no muslim on earth, dead or alive, that like women more than Muhammad. He married over 24 wives and have slave bed warmers. Yet he was the one that received the virgin message and did not die in battle so that he too can go and enjoy 72 virgins in paradise. Who is fooling who? Brother “Ode”

8. Mohammed acting under d instructions of Allah asked his adopted Son to divorce his wife. Mohammed then married d wife of his adopted Son claiming Allah commanded it. But God says in Mal 2:16 that he hates divorce. He also says in Math 19:9 that anyone who married a divorced woman commits adultery. What kind of god was Muhammad peddling and ignoramus like you bought it? “Agbaya”

8. Read the testimony of Sultan Mohammad Khan. It may help you know better.
http://answering-islam.org/Testimonies/khan.html

see this video too because people with goo brain are leaving islam in their thousands. Find out why

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsxb-yHFcW8&feature=related

May God have mercy on your soul

Sweetnecta: we have to accept that christianity was not the first religion of the igbos. paganism was. i am guessing when christianity began to creep in, there were back room talks of it being foreign, not natural to the igbo animist spirit. and today, the igbos are calling themselves christian people. i need to let you guys know that there are igbo muslims on nairaland and they are not seeking contracts or favors from any nigerians. i know igbo muslims in my own life, members of my family. islam will enter igbo blood whether you are ready for it or not. it will both home and abroad, abroad meaning "far away land". the civil war headed Gowon for the Nigerian Government and Ojukwu for the part that wanted to leave the union. Both men were christians! to me, it was christian war, through and through and i was alive then, unlike those who the incident was related to.


Bayo can laugh all the way, until he is shocked to the truth from God.
if noblezone thinks islam always turns violent at the end of the day, no matter what, i will ask him to openly tell us about the 2 world wars out the last centuary and the preemptive strike of iraq. Are these wars chaired by Islam or christianity? Ad what christianity has turned the other cheek; Britain, Belgium, France, America? Please tell me because i need to know. George Bush didn't forgive anybody. And i wonder if you know Jesus was not a christian? And from your Bible he didn't forgive to many people, but called them names, from fools, to vipers and adulterous topping all of it by saying he will deny them as his followers. You may be following in vain based on what we can read from the Bible!

Floriana, I know igbos fasting in ramadhan because they are muslims, in and out of nigeria. You seem to be thinking so little of igbo people as if all in thr tribe think alike. if christianity is such a sure thing why do we have traditionalists in igboland?

Islam has arrived in igboland and those who can't deal with it should step aside. It is the religion that we give you success with God on the Day of Assembly. Jesus son of Mary from the children of Israel was a Muslim. So were his mother Maryam, cousin John, his father Zacharia and those male prophets; from their father Israel to the last of them.

If you wanna claim Abrahamic faith, you need to come to Islam, because it was after Abraham Judaism and Christianity came. Adam was a muslim. so were his believing progeny; Enoch, Noah, etc {as to all the prophets of God]

May God open your hearts and guide you to Islam. Amin.

Some of us know who this your Allah is and d understanding of his personality only points at one thing. That Islam is a deception.

Allah is an arabic word meaning "the god" .The arabic word for God is not Allah. "illah" is the arabic word for God. That's why Muslims say " la illah ill Allah" meaning "there is no God but "the-god"

Allah was worshipped by ancestors of Muhammad (peace cannot possibly be upon him). His grand father (Abdulmutallib) worshiped Allah and named Muhammad's father AbdAllah (meaning the servant of Allah). Allah was one of the over 360 idols housed in the Kaaba. Muhammad (peace cannot possibly be upon him) came and dislodged all others and left only Allah/ "the god" (the black stone)

There's also Allat(meaning "the goddess" She is mentioned in the Qur'an (Sura 53:19), pre-Islamic Arabs considered her as one of the daughters of Allah along with Manāt and al-‘Uzzá.

The shrine and temple dedicated to Allat in Taif was demolished by Abu Sufyan ibn Harb, on the orders of Mohammed (trying to cover his claim that God has no Son), during the Expedition of Abu Sufyan ibn Harb, in the same year as the Battle of Tabuk.

Another basis for its deception is d Islamic paradise/heaven. It promises unlimited ssexual oorgies and drunkenness but missed out on women. In Sura 56:11 downward talk about special thrones of Gold n precious stones and virgins that are of d same age in d garden of bliss. Plus Companions with beautiful, big, and lustrous eyes, and made them virgin - pure (and undefiled).

Sura 3:15 says "Shall I give you glad tidings of things Far better than those? For the righteous are in Gardens in nearness to their Lord, with rivers flowing beneath; therein is their eternal home; with companions pure (virgin); and the good pleasure of Allah".

In the haddith Mishkat al Masabih, Mohammed said "d lowliest of d inhabitant of paradise will have 80,000 servants and 72 wives (virgins)......"

There is also rivers of wine. Sura 47:15 says "(Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord."

This is not balanced because women too should have their own virgin men and 72 husbands(pure). Instead, everything is about men as if no woman is qualified to enter islamic heaven.

Quit being deceived, Muhammad never met with any Angel Gabriel in any cave. At best, he had an encounter with a demon. God cannot hand over his entire agenda for mankind to only one Man. Allah is not God but d family idol of Muhammad which he militantly imposed on Meccans and others.

I-20s can be available to you in 2 months. If you want to travel with your family, u get I-20s for them too.

Chanchit: In this case, money is not equal to power, even though Mark earns 10 times more than Obama, he is still little known in west africa, not to talk of africa, while even children can tell, when they see Obama... I jst SMH for this country.. As for the bill he's trying to sponsor, all youth should be ready for a big violent protest, i'm ready, an ordinary protest won't be enough for that Ashiaraba the senior brother of ashiere...!
Can u imagine, giving us this bad rubbish you call government, the nxt step is to take away my freedom of xpression, jst for thinking about it, dts how God will take away your freedom of xpression...

I support your take bro

Chanchit: In this case, money is not equal to power, even though Mark earns 10 times more than Obama, he is still little known in west africa, not to talk of africa, while even children can tell, when they see Obama... I jst SMH for this country.. As for the bill he's trying to sponsor, all youth should be ready for a big violent protest, i'm ready, an ordinary protest won't be enough for that Ashiaraba the senior brother of ashiere...!
Can u imagine, giving us this bad rubbish you call government, the nxt step is to take away my freedom of xpression, jst for thinking about it, dts how God will take away your freedom of xpression...

I support your take too

David Mark vs. New Media - By Chinedu Ekeke

Nigeria’s Senate president, David Bonaventure Mark, is deeply troubled. And his present state of mind is justifiable. The criminal empire which prince he’s one of is at the verge of crumbling, or so he thinks. He’s eyeing the kingship of the empire in a few years from now. He wants to rule and reign in the kingdom. He has amassed enough wealth and bought enough souls to make this possible. He dreams of joining the league of candidates for prison who became presidents of Nigeria in the last three or so decades.

But the turn of events, especially since January this year, has jolted him. It doesn’t seem as though he would have any smooth ride to the kingship he so much covets, neither would he have the rest of mind to consume the millions he has so far amassed. He recently heaped the blame on new media or social media. The credibility he has sought to build in the last thirteen years hasn’t even taken off the ground, to his utter dismay. Millions of Nigerians don’t see any reason to take him seriously. He knows – or thinks – social media is responsible for this.

Last Thursday, while declaring open a two-day retreat for Senate Press corps in Umuahia, Abia State, he said there was a need to check the use of social media as Nigerians were using them to demean their leaders. Hear him: “We need to change our attitude on how we report things about our country and we should emulate the foreign reporters who never report negative things about their countries.” So Mr Mark wants to sponsor – and pass - a legislation that would impose restrictions on the use of social media in Nigeria. Once that is done, his confidence in the empire will rebound, and his hopes of assuming the kingship will come back to live.

Again, Mr Mark is justified, because, you see, there’s so much money can buy; and there’s even much more plenty of money can buy. The more money you make without working, the more you want to spend without sweat. He pays himself N600 million from Nigeria’s treasury in one year. That isn’t heavenly or biblical year. It is earthly year as we know it; twelve calendar months, the one within which Barack Obama, the United States president, earns N60 million.

What Mr. Mark pays himself in one year is the salary of a US president for ten (yes, ten!) good years. What Nigeria’s number three citizen takes home, legally, in one year, is what the number one citizen of the world’s biggest economy, and only remaining super-power, earns in ten years. Because no president stays beyond eight years in America, it means what David Mark gives himself as earnings in one year is what will pay at least two American presidents – one for eight years and another one for extra two years. That means before Mark concludes his four year term, he would have amassed enough money from our treasury that will pay United States presidents for forty years! You see why he has to checkmate social media? You can’t have access to such amounts of free money without being sensitive to any avenue through which opposition rears its envious head.

Interestingly, what Mark is supposed to be doing to be taking such a humongous amount home every year is the same job the United States Vice President combines with his official job as the Vice, and for which he earns less than one-tenth of the money Mr Mark allocates to himself. Actually, it is the president of the US, not his Vice, who earns up to one-tenth of Mark’s annual bazaar. So for taking home N600 million for doing nothing, why will David Mark not feel threatened by social media?

It is even more annoying because years before now, nobody knew how much of injury his avarice –and those of his ilk - inflicted on the nation’s treasury. It was easy for him to buy up the entire mainstream media peopled by brown-envelope-seeking journalists and editors in a hurry to join the resource-grabbing frenzy of those who rule Nigeria. His Ghana-must-go bags were handy for willing media people who had no regards for the sacred role the society, and their jobs, had thrust upon them. Today, Mark can’t control what gets into the new media. He can’t control the number of people who read just a tweet, or Facebook post or blog post, detailing how much David Mark grabs monthly from the purse of a nation in pathetic poverty. He can’t control who reads this piece or who doesn’t. He can’t pull down this website or the other ones linked to it through which this piece will be read by thousands or millions of Nigerians. And this is why he is troubled.

There is also the conscience – or even emotional - side to his discomfort. He hates the poor, and gets angry at the sight of any poor person enjoying whatever he (Mark) considers a luxury. Most of the people who attack him and his tribe of nation-killers on social media do so with telephone which, years ago, he had declared wasn’t for the poor. The society-made super rich which Mark loves dearly can’t say anything wrong about him on social media. They are all colleagues in the nation-wrecking industry. Clearly, it is those “poor” ones, or those who should be poor but have somehow risen above it, that criticise Mark.

As Babangida’s minister of communication, he told whoever cared to listen to perish the thoughts of making telephone available to Nigerians. He stated, clearly, that telephone wasn’t for the poor. It was for the rich, eaters of hundreds of millions of naira from Nigeria’s commonwealth. Today, the senator watches even roadside mechanics clutching their phones, reading the internet and seeing how much of a curse to them this government has become. If you were Mark, you’d be troubled too.

He saw the shape of things to come from social media last January. The OccupyNigeria protests jolted him and his co-travellers. Forget the lies they took to the market of how opposition hijacked the protests, he knew that the power of social media was at work. But for lack of patriotism of the labour leaders who sold the protests to Mark and his government, the government would have been brought down. And since then, he has watched the social media project himself and the government in their true picture: enemies of the Nigerian people. He saw the Arab spring and how social media swept away his mentors in Egypt, Libya, Tunisia and others. The senate president has stomached enough. He isn’t going to take it anymore.

It is a paradox that the same society which David Mark has so much undermined sent him to the Senate to represent them. It is even more shocking that the same Mark was made the president of the Senate, the nation’s symbol of democracy. Yet it is more paradoxical that the head of the institution which should bear the torchlight of democracy is the first person who has openly demonstrated his desire to outlaw the right of the people to freely express themselves.

Mr Mark’s ingratitude deserves a special mention. Here’s a man who was part of Babangida’s gang that collapsed Nigeria’s economy while their private economies, represented by their numerous bank accounts, blossomed. This is the same Mark who failed as a communications minister. Isn’t he supposed to be serving a lifetime in jail? Instead, he bulldozed his way through our polity and just happened in the senate. And for not taking a punitive action against him for his failure, he has got emboldened to punish us.

David Mark has always represented darkness in Nigeria. The senate he leads, which is an effective retirement house for former state treasury looters, has represented everything a nation’s senate should not be. While the lower house rose to the defence of Nigerians during the fuel subsidy protests, Mr Mark and his senate looked the other way round just to preserve the darkness which so much benefits him. While the lower house set up committees upon committees to perform their constitutional oversight functions on federal government ministries, departments and agencies, Mark’s senate chose silence which darkness brings.

He is preaching how reporters should follow their foreign counterparts. Unfortunately, the Senate president, like the other “leaders” in Nigeria, does not read. That raises another question: what does he do with the newspaper allowance he pays himself? If he reads American or British newspapers, then he would understand that a vibrant media will always question their leaders.

But let’s even assume Mark is right about foreign reporters not reporting the negatives about their countries; and we choose to emulate them, has Mark emulated the same foreign countries in insisting that politicians only earn realistic and sustainable salaries? Part of what he wants us to report is that he doesn’t pay himself ten times the salary of the US president, or that he hasn’t made efforts to frustrate, through his senate, the demand of Nigerians that subsidy thieves be prosecuted. Mr Mark hasn’t seen anything yet.

I understand he is a Christian. I would refer him to an interesting portion of the Bible. It is John 1:5:

“The light shineth in darkness, and the darkness comprehendeth it not.”

New media is the light of the 21st Century, it is shining forth and forcing darkness to give way.

In the coming days and weeks and months, we would know who gives way between David Mark and social media. But I am convinced it won’t be the latter.


SOURCE: http://www.facebook.com/nasirelrufai/posts/164018650401156

Kabikala: Read what Idowu Akinlotan (The Nation) has to say on Mimiko's accomplishments:

http://www.thenationonlineng.net/2011/index.php/columnist/sunday/idowu-akinlotan/55551-mimiko-and-the-southwest.html

Mimiko and the Southwest
By Idowu Akinlotan 15 hours 26 minutes ago
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Mr Ebenezer Babatope, whose recanted progressivism is mesmerising the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) in Abuja, angered party faithful in Ondo State during a recent visit when he suggested he would have loved his party not to present a candidate for the October governorship election on account of Governor Olusegun Mimiko’s giant achievements. In his days as Director of Organisation of the defunct Unity Party of Nigeria (UPN), Babatope was a dominant voice for progressivism. Today, he has become a dominant voice for conservatism. It is a compliment to his energy and commitment that he brings passion to any assignment given him. His angry party men in Akure are only now discovering what many of us knew way back in the 1980s, that the former Transport minister’s talents do not include the ability to rationally discriminate between two contradistinctive causes or to take a principled stand for either.

It was, therefore, not surprising that during the said trip he had this to say of Mimiko’s government: “I passed through this state on my way to Benin to campaign for the candidate of our party and I was amazed by the level of development I saw. What we are seeing in Ondo State should be replicated in other Southwest states where nothing is moving in terms of development.” It is comforting indeed that at least Babatope’s gift for hyperbole, which he honed in the Second Republic, has not left him. In the coming months, we expect to hear more of such sweeping and unsubstantiated conclusions.

But Babatope is not the only impressionable Nigerian to be bewitched by Mimiko’s sorcery. When the governor assembled top politicians, leading Yoruba personalities and media professionals to mark his third year in office in Akure last year, many of his guests became strangely voluble. Retired Major General Olufemi Olutoye, a former federal commissioner in his days, enthused about Mimiko’s achievements in this manner: “Since 1978 when I retired from the Army, I have been fully resident in Akure. I have witnessed all the administrations. In terms of performance, I can say that this is the second Awolowo. He has performed. He has tried his best. Somebody said that he is a candidate that should go to the centre later. I fully agree and pray that it will be so.” It is hard to know what chimera these men saw, or what also inflamed invited media professionals, who should know better, to concur with the illusions in Akure, but the fantasy has been sustained by the most carefully wrought propaganda effusions any state government has ever designed.

The governor himself believes his own propaganda. While receiving defectors from other political parties in the state recently, including from the Action Congress of Nigeria (ACN), Mimiko warned that Ondo State would not give in to politicians he described as emperors. He added that the order of politics in the state did not give room to politicians he also described as District Officers (DO) or colonial masters. It is clear what he meant. To him, all his fellow governors in the Southwest are DOs, and he is the only brave Prophet Elijah who has not bowed his knees to Baal. There are many reasons to explain why Mimiko will ardently embrace the politics of personality and abuse and strenuously avoid the politics of issues.

During his declaration of intent to seek re-election, the governor mentioned what he termed his achievements as proof he had the interest of the electorate in mind. As part of his Caring Heart programme, he said, his agricultural settlements were modern, and were already up and running. But when the graduate settlers manning the farms protested poor facilities and neglect in the Ore settlement, the governor simply abandoned the scheme while he continues to tout it as an achievement. He also mentioned his model schools, two of which took him nearly four years to complete. Work out the equation yourself concerning his schools – not education – programme if he gets another four years. There is also the Mother and Child hospital scheme, only one of which has been completed. He apparently expects pregnant women from all over the state to flock to Akure. Here again is a hospital scheme without a health programme.

But who can deny the nice-looking bus stops that adorn Akure roads, even though the governor has no roads programme and has not constructed any new one; or deny the water fountain at Alagbaka and the expansion of Oyemekun Road; or deny his mega markets without tenants (except in Akure) which have no co-ordinated and consistent economic framework to sustain them; or the white elephant event centre called Dome, as if that is what the people need? Who indeed can forget the static Kaadi Igbe-ayo, a disingenuous social security programme inaugurated in Igbara Oke with the flip-flopping Dr Olu Agunloye’s ‘sterling’ technical ideas? There is no coherence to governance in Ondo, there is no sense for economic direction and modelling, there is no real social contract worth the concept but some 12-point trifles on paper, there is no breath-taking vision, and, worse, there is no future. And it is for this yawning emptiness, this journey of longings and despair, this celebration of unbefitting regional crassness, that the leading lights of Afenifere and other top Yoruba leaders gathered in Akure both to honour and to give Mimiko’s re-election ambition a boost. Is this what the Southwest has become? Do character, principles and ideology no longer matter? Are noble virtues now to be sacrificed for a few bus shelters and grandiose markets?

The rest of the Southwest may not know that the only things taking place in Ondo are tokenism and propaganda. Mercifully, Ondo people know. They are too smart to be hoodwinked by propaganda, by striking abuse, by feeble gestures. They know that in spite of Mimiko’s resort to abuse and name-calling, and in spite of the enormity of the work needed to reverse the damage done by previous governments, the Southwest governors are laying a more enduring and modern foundation for the future. They know that contrary to what some Afenifere leaders say and what Babatope parrots, regional integration will unleash unquantifiable developmental energies in the Southwest, trigger limitless economic possibilities and rewrite the region’s social, political and cultural paradigms. They know it is a ruse to say the foundation of integration can be laid irrespective of the parties ruling the region. Both Obafemi Awolowo and Mimiko refute that conclusion violently: the first by his unexampled talent in harnessing the region’s productive abilities, and the other by his unproductive and unimaginative individualism.

More importantly, Ondo people know that they need integration as much as integration needs them, and that it would be tragic if they were left out of the new deal; or that like Afonja in the days of Oyo Empire, they were to allow one man lead them into a revolt against the dominant and progressive ideals that have shaped their region’s history and destiny.

GBAMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sweetnecta: the father who converted out of islam at old age is a testament to the hadith of the prophet [sa] that a people of hell will do things of paradise and he will be only a short distance [arm or ebow length] between him and paradise. then he will do the thing of people of hell before death.

the sister who is resisting the world wealthy brother will inshaAllah enjoy at the end when she complete her jihad [struggle against becoming disbeliever]. when she enters paradise, she will know that Allah is Full of Reward, Forgiving.

if wealth is the measure of Godliness, then the billionaire Bill Gates is more Godly than mere millionaire Oyedebo.

if christianity is the only true religion wonder why there are poor christans?

Allah, Almighty God gives to all, irrespective of religion. He is Al Rahman [The Merciful to all creation on the earth]
He is Al Rahim [The generously Merciful to the creations [man and jinn] who obeyed His Will in Islam.
You will know that on the Day of Assembly when worldly wealth is nothing to count on.

I pray that muslims in Lagos will come to the aid of this woman who is a sister of pharoah like personality called oyedebo.

Let me tell you that islam is pure deception and we know who their God is.

Allah is an arabic word meaning "the god" . The arabic word for God is not Allah. "illah" is the arabic word for God. That's why Muslims say " la illah ill Allah" meaning "there is no God but "the-god"

Allah was worshipped by ancestors of Mohammed (peace cannot possibly be upon him). His grand father (Abdulmutallib) worshiped Allah and named his father AbdAllah (the servant of Allah). Allah was one of the over 360 idols housed in the Kaaba. Mohammed (peace cannot possibly be upon him) came and dislodged all others and left only Allah/ "the god" (the black stone)

There's also Allat(meaning the goddess) She is mentioned in the Qur'an (Sura 53:19), pre-Islamic Arabs considered her as one of the daughters of Allah along with Manāt and al-‘Uzzá.

The shrine and temple dedicated to Allat in Taif was demolished by Abu Sufyan ibn Harb, on the orders of Mohammed(peace cannot possibly be upon him), during the Expedition of Abu Sufyan ibn Harb, in the same year as the Battle of Tabuk.

If d father of d Bishop agreed to accept Jesus at a very old age then he must have been convinced there is nothing but SEXUAL ORGY and drunkeness in d islamic heaven. n Sura 56:11 downward talk about special thrones of Gold n precious stones and virgins that are of d same age in d garden of bliss. Plus Companions with beautiful, big, and lustrous eyes, And made them virgin - pure (and undefiled).

Sura 3:15 says "Shall I give you glad tidings of things Far better than those? For the righteous are in Gardens in nearness to their Lord, with rivers flowing beneath; therein is their eternal home; with companions pure (virgin); and the good pleasure of Allah".

In the haddith Mishkat al Masabih, Mohammed said "d lowliest of d inhabitant of paradise will have 80,000 servants and 72 wives......"

There is also rivers of wine. Sura 47:15 says "(Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink".

And its all deceptive lies because women are not provided will male-virgins. Or is it only men that is going to heaven?

Abeg

Sweetnecta: the father who converted out of islam at old age is a testament to the hadith of the prophet [sa] that a people of hell will do things of paradise and he will be only a short distance [arm or ebow length] between him and paradise. then he will do the thing of people of hell before death.

the sister who is resisting the world wealthy brother will inshaAllah enjoy at the end when she complete her jihad [struggle against becoming disbeliever]. when she enters paradise, she will know that Allah is Full of Reward, Forgiving.

if wealth is the measure of Godliness, then the billionaire Bill Gates is more Godly than mere millionaire Oyedebo.

if christianity is the only true religion wonder why there are poor christans?

Allah, Almighty God gives to all, irrespective of religion. He is Al Rahman [The Merciful to all creation on the earth]
He is Al Rahim [The generously Merciful to the creations [man and jinn] who obeyed His Will in Islam.
You will know that on the Day of Assembly when worldly wealth is nothing to count on.

I pray that muslims in Lagos will come to the aid of this woman who is a sister of pharoah like personality called oyedebo.

Let me tell you that islam is pure deception and we know who their God is.

Allah is an arabic word meaning "the god" . The arabic word for God is not Allah. "illah" is the arabic word for God. That's why Muslims say " la illah ill Allah" meaning "there is no God but "the-god"

Allah was worshipped by ancestors of Mohammed (peace cannot possibly be upon him). His grand father (Abdulmutallib) worshiped Allah and named his father AbdAllah (the servant of Allah). Allah was one of the over 360 idols housed in the Kaaba. Mohammed (peace cannot possibly be upon him) came and dislodged all others and left only Allah/ "the god" (the black stone)

There's also Allat(meaning the goddess) She is mentioned in the Qur'an (Sura 53:19), pre-Islamic Arabs considered her as one of the daughters of Allah along with Manāt and al-‘Uzzá.

The shrine and temple dedicated to Allat in Taif was demolished by Abu Sufyan ibn Harb, on the orders of Mohammed(peace cannot possibly be upon him), during the Expedition of Abu Sufyan ibn Harb, in the same year as the Battle of Tabuk.

If d father of d Bishop agreed to accept Jesus at a very old age then he must have been convinced there is nothing but SEXUAL ORGY and drunkeness in d islamic heaven. n Sura 56:11 downward talk about special thrones of Gold n precious stones and virgins that are of d same age in d garden of bliss. Plus Companions with beautiful, big, and lustrous eyes, And made them virgin - pure (and undefiled).

Sura 3:15 says "Shall I give you glad tidings of things Far better than those? For the righteous are in Gardens in nearness to their Lord, with rivers flowing beneath; therein is their eternal home; with companions pure (virgin); and the good pleasure of Allah".

In the haddith Mishkat al Masabih, Mohammed said "d lowliest of d inhabitant of paradise will have 80,000 servants and 72 wives......"

There is also rivers of wine. Sura 47:15 says "(Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink".

And its all deceptive lies because women are not provided will male-virgins. Or is it only men that is going to heaven?

Abeg

Sweetnecta: the father who converted out of islam at old age is a testament to the hadith of the prophet [sa] that a people of hell will do things of paradise and he will be only a short distance [arm or ebow length] between him and paradise. then he will do the thing of people of hell before death.

the sister who is resisting the world wealthy brother will inshaAllah enjoy at the end when she complete her jihad [struggle against becoming disbeliever]. when she enters paradise, she will know that Allah is Full of Reward, Forgiving.

if wealth is the measure of Godliness, then the billionaire Bill Gates is more Godly than mere millionaire Oyedebo.

if christianity is the only true religion wonder why there are poor christans?

Allah, Almighty God gives to all, irrespective of religion. He is Al Rahman [The Merciful to all creation on the earth]
He is Al Rahim [The generously Merciful to the creations [man and jinn] who obeyed His Will in Islam.
You will know that on the Day of Assembly when worldly wealth is nothing to count on.

I pray that muslims in Lagos will come to the aid of this woman who is a sister of pharoah like personality called oyedebo.

Let me tell you that islam is pure deception and we know who their God is.

Allah is an arabic word meaning "the god" . The arabic word for God is not Allah. "illah" is the arabic word for God. That's why Muslims say " la illah ill Allah" meaning "there is no God but "the-god"

Allah was worshipped by ancestors of Mohammed (peace cannot possibly be upon him). His grand father (Abdulmutallib) worshiped Allah and named his father AbdAllah (the servant of Allah). Allah was one of the over 360 idols housed in the Kaaba. Mohammed (peace cannot possibly be upon him) came and dislodged all others and left only Allah/ "the god" (the black stone)

There's also Allat(meaning the goddess) She is mentioned in the Qur'an (Sura 53:19), pre-Islamic Arabs considered her as one of the daughters of Allah along with Manāt and al-‘Uzzá.

The shrine and temple dedicated to Allat in Taif was demolished by Abu Sufyan ibn Harb, on the orders of Mohammed(peace cannot possibly be upon him), during the Expedition of Abu Sufyan ibn Harb, in the same year as the Battle of Tabuk.

If d father of d Bishop agreed to accept Jesus at a very old age then he must have been convinced there is nothing but SEXUAL ORGY and drunkeness in d islamic heaven. n Sura 56:11 downward talk about special thrones of Gold n precious stones and virgins that are of d same age in d garden of bliss. Plus Companions with beautiful, big, and lustrous eyes, And made them virgin - pure (and undefiled).

Sura 3:15 says "Shall I give you glad tidings of things Far better than those? For the righteous are in Gardens in nearness to their Lord, with rivers flowing beneath; therein is their eternal home; with companions pure (virgin); and the good pleasure of Allah".

In the haddith Mishkat al Masabih, Mohammed said "d lowliest of d inhabitant of paradise will have 80,000 servants and 72 wives......"

There is also rivers of wine. Sura 47:15 says "(Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink".

And its all deceptive lies because women are not provided will male-virgins. Or is it only men that is going to heaven?

Abeg

Sweetnecta: the father who converted out of islam at old age is a testament to the hadith of the prophet [sa] that a people of hell will do things of paradise and he will be only a short distance [arm or ebow length] between him and paradise. then he will do the thing of people of hell before death.

the sister who is resisting the world wealthy brother will inshaAllah enjoy at the end when she complete her jihad [struggle against becoming disbeliever]. when she enters paradise, she will know that Allah is Full of Reward, Forgiving.

if wealth is the measure of Godliness, then the billionaire Bill Gates is more Godly than mere millionaire Oyedebo.

if christianity is the only true religion wonder why there are poor christans?

Allah, Almighty God gives to all, irrespective of religion. He is Al Rahman [The Merciful to all creation on the earth]
He is Al Rahim [The generously Merciful to the creations [man and jinn] who obeyed His Will in Islam.
You will know that on the Day of Assembly when worldly wealth is nothing to count on.

I pray that muslims in Lagos will come to the aid of this woman who is a sister of pharoah like personality called oyedebo.

Let me tell you that islam is pure deception and we know who their God is.

Allah is an arabic word meaning "the god" . The arabic word for God is not Allah. "illah" is the arabic word for God. That's why Muslims say " la illah ill Allah" meaning "there is no God but "the-god"

Allah was worshipped by ancestors of Mohammed (peace cannot possibly be upon him). His grand father (Abdulmutallib) worshiped Allah and named his father AbdAllah (the servant of Allah). Allah was one of the over 360 idols housed in the Kaaba. Mohammed (peace cannot possibly be upon him) came and dislodged all others and left only Allah/ "the god" (the black stone)

There's also Allat(meaning the goddess) She is mentioned in the Qur'an (Sura 53:19), pre-Islamic Arabs considered her as one of the daughters of Allah along with Manāt and al-‘Uzzá.

The shrine and temple dedicated to Allat in Taif was demolished by Abu Sufyan ibn Harb, on the orders of Mohammed(peace cannot possibly be upon him), during the Expedition of Abu Sufyan ibn Harb, in the same year as the Battle of Tabuk.

If d father of d Bishop agreed to accept Jesus at a very old age then he must have been convinced there is nothing but SEXUAL ORGY and drunkeness in d islamic heaven. n Sura 56:11 downward talk about special thrones of Gold n precious stones and virgins that are of d same age in d garden of bliss. Plus Companions with beautiful, big, and lustrous eyes, And made them virgin - pure (and undefiled).

Sura 3:15 says "Shall I give you glad tidings of things Far better than those? For the righteous are in Gardens in nearness to their Lord, with rivers flowing beneath; therein is their eternal home; with companions pure (virgin); and the good pleasure of Allah".

In the haddith Mishkat al Masabih, Mohammed said "d lowliest of d inhabitant of paradise will have 80,000 servants and 72 wives......"

There is also rivers of wine. Sura 47:15 says "(Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink".

And its all deceptive lies because women are not provided will male-virgins. Or is it only men that is going to heaven?

Abeg

[quote author=Rhino.5dm]Wow! Did I strike a raw nerve? First, I exposed your fraudulent rotten scamming website and your stupidity. Secondly, I exposed your sexual frustrations, while trying give me your address. . .Sorry ma, I don't do dirty pigs .

"you pick a woman to harass". . .is this a sign that the "kparaga" and "shepe", laced with rolled dry shyt you drank is finally going off? Look you fool, I don't care if you are she-goat, don't just post stupid comments. . .cos, am allergy to idiots and morrons .



. . .and yes, I like them fresh and sweet, NOT some sexually starved dehydrated fugly mutant like you. No thanks! . Get busy with the toys!!![/quote]"Ofe ke, oro naa dun un"RRapist........you are enjoying it with your mother. O ma se o. Very pathetic for you to be dreaming. You ugly and offensively stinking trash talking abt fresh whatever. Where will you get it. That's why you are rraping all d sikiratus and shakiratus groundnut hawker of d slum where you live. Even your mother and sisters are not left out. Incestist and bloody sociopath.

What biz of yours is it whatever I post? Who d hell are you to tell me what to post? May thunder strike that your hands you use to type that statement.

I repeat again: Mimiko is a thief that want us to accept mediocrity for performance. He overspent d budget and got d house to rubber stamp his financial jamboree. He's celebrating roundabout and fountain as achievement. Psychos like you who he's paying to harass, maim and kill opposition may be worshiping him but I cannot. How dare you tell me what to post?

"Aja igboro". Bloody political thug!!!!!

Mmmmmm

vangorg: St. Paul

St. Paul ws a jew whom ws born in tarsus in wat s nw turkey. Wen he ws born the country ws part of roman empire, n thus although by race a n religion a jew, he yet enjoyed the privilege of being a roman citizen. St. Paul ws nt 1 of the disciples chosen by jesus in his life-time. Indeed there s no indication dat he eva met jesus. Wat s known. S dat he ws fanatical in hatred 4 xtians, n engaged himself in houndin out xtians frm hidin n bringin dem 2 b tortured n killed. He ws present at the stoning of st. Stephen, the 1st xtian martyr.

While on his way 2 damascus he s reported 2 v experience a vision of christ, n thus became a staunch propagator of xtianity which he claimed had been revealed 2 him by jesus in vision. Dis "revealed" version of xtianity ws fundamentally different frm wat the chosen disciples of jesus knew 2 b the teachin of the master, so dat there ws a serious conflict btw paul n the original followers of christ who like jesus had never deviated frm the law of moses n the strict judaic monotheism.

The only son of god

In the four gospels of the bible there r a no of references 2 jesus christ as the "son of god". The following r a few examples:

"And wen the centurion, who stood facing him, saw dat he thus breathed his last, he said, "truly dis man ws the son of god" mark 15:39

And the angel said 2 her, "the holy spirit will come upon u, n the power of the most high will overshadow u; therefore the child 2 b born will b called holy, the son of god." Luke 1:35

And they all said, "are u the son of god, then?" and he said 2 dem, u say dat i am." Luke 22:70

He trust in god; let god deliver him now, if he desires; for he said, "i am the son of god." Matthew 27:43

And weneva the unclean spirits beheld him, they fell down b4 him n cried out, "u r the son of god." And he strictly ordered dem nt 2 make him known. Mark3:11-12


And wen he came 2 the oda side, 2 the country of gadarenes, 2 demoniac met him, coming out of the tombs, so fierce dat no 1 could pass dat way. And behold, they cried out, "wat v u 2 do wit us, o son of god? V u come here 2 torment us b4 the time?" Matthew 8:28-29

In the gospels of matthew, mark n luke there r abt 22 such references 2 jesus as the son of god, bt in all of dem nt once dd he call himself so. Matthew 27:43 quoted above refers 2 the allegation of the chief priest wit the scribes n elders who mocked him. It ws nt 1st hand reporting of jesus's own statement by the author of the gospel. It ws normally either madmen, the so called demoniac n unclean spirits, or pagan roman soldiers. Who reffered 2 him as the son of god. His own preference ws for the title of ben adam, wic just meant man or son of man. The title s repeated about 80times in the gospels. His jewish persecutors out of malice alleged dat he claimed 2 b the king of jews dat he might incure the wrath of the roman rulers, n dat he claimed 2 b the son of god 2 enrage the jewish people, as being blasphemous.

Rfancis young, lecturer in the new testament studies at birmingham university, writing in the "myth of god incarnate" says: " apart frm john where interpretive material s clearly placed upon the lips. Of jesus, the gospels invariably portray not jesus bt others as using phrases like the "holy one of god", or "son of david", or "son of god". Alone of all the titles "son of man" regularly appears as used by jesus himself...."

It shd b remembered dat at the time of jesus it ws commonplace 2 invest wit divinity not only non-existent mythological figures but historian mortals as well. Laertus, the pagan author of the lives of the philosophers, writes of a no of philosophers as being sons of god. Plato ws described as being of divine parentage; n so ws phythagoras who ws supposed 2 b the incarnate son of the gos hermes. Empedocles ws alleged 2 b a mortal god who healed the sick, n his followers worshiped him n prayed 2 him. Plutarch regards it as beyond dat alexander the great ws of divine descent n romolus the legendary ancestor of the romans ws the son of mars, the god of war. He w supposed 2 v been raised 2 heaven in a cloud. An inscription of 48 B.C. refers 2 julius caesar as "god manifest offering of ares n aphrodite n common savior of human life". Another inscription referring 2 augustus caesar says: "the emperor caesar, son of god, god augustus, overseer of land n sea."

The titles of "god" , "son of god", n "lord" being common n widespread in the mediterranean region about the time of jesus could not but influence the general public who were not deeply infused wit the judaic monotheism, caught by the awe of his special miracle done by him by god's will. They were terms loosely used by all n sundry.

What is your point?

vangorg: Original sin

In the old testament the 1st book, genesis, has the story of creation n the fall of man. Thus s described the fall of adam frm grace.
"The lord god took the man n put him in the garden of eden 2 till it n keep it. And the lord god commanded the man, sayin, "u may freely eat of every tree of the garden; bt of the tree of knowledge of gud n evil u shall nt eat, 4 in the day dat u eat of it u shall die" Genesis 2:15-16

Adam, however, persuaded by his wife, eve, transgressed god's command n ate of the forbidden tree of knowledge. God cursed dem both, punished dem 4 dia transgression.

To the woman he said; "i will greatly multiply ur pain in childbearing; in pain u shall bring forth children, yet ur desire shall b 4 ur husband, n he shall rule over u"

And 2 adam he said; " because u v listened 2 the voice of ur wife, n v eaten of the tree of wic i command u, "u shall nt eat of it", cursed s the ground cos of u; in toil u shall eat of it all the days of ur life; thorns n thistles it shall bring forth 2 u; n u shall eat the plants of the field. In the sweat of ur face u shall eat bread till u return 2 the ground, 4 out of it u were taken, u r dust, n 2 dust u shall return." Genesis 3:16-19

On account of their sin, the church teaches, adam n eve lost santifying grace, the ryt of heaven n dia special gift; they bcame subject 2 death, 2 suffering n 2 a strong inclination 2 evil n they were driven frm the garden of paradise, on accound of adam's sin all human beings r born deprived of sanctifyin grace n inherited his punishment. Dis s wat s called the original sin.

St. Paul's theology developed the doctrine of original sin 2 justify another doctrine, redemption by the death of jesus on the cross. In his letter 2 the romans he wrote:

"Therefore as sin came into the world thru 1 man n death thru sin, n so death spread 2 all men because all men sinned-sin indeed ws in the world b4 the law ws given, bt sin s nt counted where there s no law. Yet death resigned frm adam 2 moses, even over those whose sins were not like the transgression of adam, who was a type of the 1 who was 2 come. But the free gift s nt like the trespass. For if many died thru 1 man's trespass. Much more v the grace of god n the free gift in the grace of dat one man jesus christ abounded for many." Romans 5:12-15

To the corinthians st. Paul wrote: "for as in adam all die, so also in christ shall all b made alive" 1corinthians 15:22

The pauline doctrine of original sin s, howeva, contradicted by oda passages frm the bible. In deuteronomy, 4 e.g, wic s 1 of the 5 bools of torah, moses says: "the father shall not b put 2 death 4 the children, nor shall the children b put 2 death 4 dia fathers; every man shall b put 2 death 4 his own sin" deuteronomy24:16

In jeremiah we read: "in dos days they shalno longer say; "the father v eaten sour grapes, n the children's teeth r set on edge." Bt every one shall die 4 his own sin; each man who eats sour grapes, his teeth shall b set on edge" Jeremiah31:29-30

And in ezekiel it s more categorically stated: "yet u say, y shd nt the son suffer 4 the iniquity of the father? Wen the son has done wat s lawful n ryt, n has bn careful 2 observe all my statutes, he shall nt suffer 4 the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer 4 iniquity of the son; the righteous of the righteous shall b upon himself, n the wickedness of the wicked shall b upon himself" ezekiel18:19-20

In the new testament too there s the evidence of jesus himself contradicting the theory of inherited sin:

"As he passed by, he(jesus) saw a man blind frm his birth, and his disciples asked, "rabbi, who sinned, dis man or his parent, dat he ws born blind?" Jesus answered, "it ws not ds man sinned, nor his parents, bt dat the works of god myt b made manifest" John9:1-3

Contrary 2 the teachings of the church, wic goes underhis name, dat all children r born in sin, jesus christ confirms dia innocence in the following passage frm the gospel according 2 matthew:

"Truly, i say 2 u, unless u turn n become lyk children u will neva enter the kingdom of heaven" matthew 18:3

Thus we c dat the doctrine of inherited sin propounded by paul as in his 1st letter 2 the corinthians(quoted above) s contradicted by god n moses in more authoritative evidence frm the bible, namely deuteronomy, jeremiah n ezekiel (all of the old testament) as well as by jesus christ in the gospels according 2 john n matthew(in the new testament). The church hweva s inclined 2 disregard the categorical evidence of the torah, the. Prophets n the gospels, wic form the main part of the bible, n rely on the letters of st. Paul wic 4 no earthly reason were appended 2 n den incorporated in the bible.

But who s ds Paul?

U tell us. Ez 8:15-16 predicted Islam as great abomination and it came to pass.

[quote author=Rhino.5dm]ki ni ma fi adiresi ye se? olurun ma je!!!

What am I going to do with your address? God forbade me having anything do with any yahoo yahoo cyber riff-rafts.

Besides, I'm NOT available for any online frustrated old cargo looking for real men to help clear the cobwebs between her moistened thighs . You can do well with your twin-toys, afteral you have been married to them. I beg I no fit laugh joooor . LWKMD!!!!!!!.

Oya face your front, mou-mouuuu. Cow![/quote]Mad man, Just trying to help you achieve your interpol threat because am waiting for arrest and you may need address ediot. So you have been ssleeping with your mother because no woman can associate with ugly looking and stinking monster that you are. All your sisters are running from you because you have rapedd them in turn. Too bad u can't do that on d internet so u picked a woman to harass, enticing your uncontrollable rrape tendency. Incest moronn.

Rapiiiisssst!!!

[quote author=Rhino.5dm]^
Iya Basira iro yi ti poju . You are honestly showing your desperation and no one is going to fall for this cheap lies, no matter the layers of suger you use in coating them.

The honourable thing to do is to admit that you have found out of your bunker with multiple laptops waiting for potential victims to fleeced. 419 no be work, go look for better work and stop waiting for innocent victims to scam. My joy here is I have succeeded in exposing your lies to point that all nairalanders have seen your ugly face without the mask. Ma, go get yourself real job and stop obtaining ignorant people. Your days are numbered. what you are doing is called advance fee fraud.Thief!!!![/quote]"Eni to bimo ti ko gbon, owo adanu lose" You have lost it to d detriment of your parents. Jobless man founding some1 else out. You are so empty and at d same time porous. Am still expecting your interpol. Do u want my address? Olosi oloriburuku thinking everyone is doing what he does. If I don't see interpol its shame on you.