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The sky is falling, telz!

37, ten years older and asking for cash for utilities is sideways. I hope you're not on the bandwagon of 'if I don't get married before 30 my life is forever messed up'. Life starts at 30  . We're unborn yet

. . . . . . . . and ditch the freeloader

In my dreams

Playing God - Paramore

Do you have MPD, telz?

Grenade - Bruno Mars

And when the end comes, you'll be better equipped, of course. As for me, ignorance is bliss

Probably not true. I've even lost interest in posting. Shior

Seems like a swell guy. Honestly I'm glad I never knew him. 21. God. I can't imagine the way his loved ones feel. A yoruba saying about a dead child being better than a lost one probably needs to understand a child killed for no reason. Why?

May he RIP

Lol, I've missed DS.

Deep Sight:
^^^ I state to you that your perception is altogether misfooted, and I state this as follows -

Lol. In other words: you're wrong.

Deep Sight:
I did not state the basis of belief to be the fact of God being uncaused. I stated - that there must be an element which pre-exists the universe and I proceeded to derive that element as a philosophical and logical construct.

This is strictly consistent with logic because it is inconceivable that the universe pops out of nothingness without a cause, without a reason, without a principle or rationale.

Look, I believe in God. I don't know why I do but I just do. However I don't think there's any logical reason to say He exists. It's just what we wanna believe. Sure it is inconceivable that the universe pops out of anything. I agree. What I said was that it is even more inconceivable that something that has always been created all. It doesn't mean it's not true, it's just more unlikely. I dunno how bees fly with such a tiny wing to body ratio but they do. If you ask what's our purpose, imagine God wondering who created Him. Let's say something did create Him, Imagine that thing asking the same questions.

Deep Sight:
Now you are the one who has applied the word "being". . .I very deliberately used the word "element" for the specific purpose of this discussion.

Being, Element. Tomato, Tomahto. Would you rather you were created by an Element, whatever that is? Being connotes intelligence, nothing more.

Deep Sight:
By what means did you arrive at your assessment of these probabilities?

I have news for you sir: there ARE elements and factors that are definitely eternal and cannot logically be said to have had a beginning.

1. Infinite time

2. Infinite Space

3. Numbers

By what process of reasoning could you presume that these had a beginning? Is it not also beyond cavil that everything needs must have arisen within these self-existent factors?

Do you hope to contradict or deny this?

No, I do not wish to contradict and certainly do not hope to. In my opinion, such things as time and space are not binding factors. They're caused. There can be no time without motion of bodies. No space without bodies. Numbers are in relation to bodies too. 1 means absolutely nothing and is indistinguishable from 2 until you say 1 what and 2 what, because 1 and 2 become 0.5 and 1 depending on how you wanna look at it. Numbers are just constructs. Between 1 and 2, there exists an infinite amount of numbers. 1.447584889573938573985739573 being an example. Time, space and numbers are just ideas.

In any case, the above is not my point. I meant 'somethings' as physical things with mass. If you can give me other examples of 'elements' that have always existed, I'm sure I'll find them interesting. What'd be more interesting though is to tell me how say infinite time can birth a puny finite atom or even the suave thing called energy.

Deep Sight:
Again for the purpose of this discussion I have defined God as a pre-existing element responsible for all else that exists. I have also been very clear that the concept of God delivered by Religion is NOT that which I speak about. I speak about a philosophical and logical construct which infers the pre-existence of an uncaused element or factor, and I call that factor God.

If you know me, you'd find that I consider religious hogwash a bit like Harry Potter books. It's like someone compiling all the nonsense we spew here a millenium into the future and assuming it is holy cuz we're closer to the beginning of time. More and more, I don't know where to place religion. Anyways, you simply find it satisfactory to think that God never came into being. Ok. How is that more probable than we coming into existence by accident? Perhaps the potpourri needed for our creation had always been available. And if you believe that the universe has always been, then the chance of us being created by chance is one. The reason I reject chance creation is cuz I believe in the Big Bang. Note that I never proposed the universe came into existence out of nothing. Even the Big Bang doesn't propose this.

Deep Sight:
There is NO critical thinking which leads to any conclusion that may logically deny the precept of a pre-existent element in these terms - the best that you can do is to point out internal inconsistencies in the religious ontology of God, which is NOT that which I advance to you.

I would like to hear the "better aruments" that you think may be advanced?

Perhaps one such may be that. . . .BING! The universe pops out, purposely and meaninglessly, out of nothing. . .?

Would that make sense to you?

That, I submit, is worse than believing in fairy-tale magic.

Critical reasoning doesn't always have to come to a conclusion. It merely has to choose from two or more probabilities. In this matter there is no such thing as a conclusion. Things popping out from nothing does not make sense to me. God must simply be a first rate cosmic alchemist then. Not as special as everyone thinks.

To conclude, what I've been trying to say is that logic and critical reasoning when faced with the question of God's existence will say it's more likely that he doesn't exist. It's impossible to prove something doesn't exist. It doesn't mean it does.

What can a pastor do that you can't?

Ah, Deep Sight. I'm afraid it's your opinion that is really curious o. You can never say it's more rational to believe in God on the basis of His being uncaused because that begs the question, what caused Him? It's mathematically improbable that the universe just came into being outta nothingness but it's even more mathematically improbable that there's something that has always been which created all things. So I'd say critical thinking will lead to a conclusion that a supreme being is extremely unlikely, not impossible though. Belief in God is largely just that, a belief. It can't really be reasoned out cuz there'll always be a better argument.

I dunno. Best kept secret though. Dead men don't talk

Space Chimps. What a load of utter douchebaggage! It's like an encyclopedia of witless jokes.

Whip It. Well done, the-woman-that-does-not-age Drew Barrymore. Ellen Page is a dude. Really. Inception nonetheless

Believe it or not, I finished Backup Plan. I was stuck in a place though, in my defense. Not totally shitty like I thought it'd be. Just regular shitty.

All in all, nothing was worth watching, really

Lol. So true. Obinna, start reviewing jare

There's a Star Wars series?

Aww, isn't this cute.

What's with this biblical or not biblical thing sef? Not everything biblical is good and not everything good is biblical. Do what is right jare whether it's in the bible or not. Don't do what is wrong whether it's biblical or not. That said, Christmas is just as good as New Year. If you wanna remember his birth, fine. If I was a Christian, I'd attach more importance to Easter than Christmas though.

Ha ha. JeSoul said something outrageous and the bot (my dawg) tagged her post.

@Ijaw_girl. It's just cute and nice

Oh, now I remember. I dunno it I'll be that crazy about it then though I generally love animation

Oh, I thought you meant you watched it 11 times just this morning. You can see how that's mathematically impossible

BTW, I saw Valentine's Day recently too. I thought it was great too. I'm not ashamed jare. Dunno why it's fashionable to be

@Jay, my Alaba boys do that cuz they know our local police instill zero fear so an FBI logo at least makes you pause for a min. If na NPF, people will pirate just for the spunk. Btw, your defense is always watergate, I mean watertight? Na wa o. Do your tentacles reach The Academy affairs?

^^Sounds like my kinda thing. Never heard about it though. What's it about?

JeSoul, I don't think I had the pleasure of kindergarten

Apparently, that's not exactly true but still, wtf? Do you memorize the lyrics of the movies? Pun intended

Rendition. It feels weird to say one enjoyed it. Let's just say it was moving and food for thought

@Spiked. Daring me proves my point

This is now kindergartenland. Ordinary nekkid is X-rated now? Even better person like Jay is shocked.

I need to crawl back in my hole. Leslie is dead. Next thing you know, Clint will say they never did a film together and go look for him and never come back. Me sef go join be that

Ah, I didn't have a reason before but I have one now. Stagevu? Megavideo? Loombo? Only you? Where is the FBI?

I'd have thought we did Saving Private Ryan. I vote for it or The Expendables, whichever gets more votes gets mine.

This ought to be interesting. I'll even count the number of times gunwielders will shoot their own feet

The good ones are going away

Ahem