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VOR/FUNKYBABY,
Good that both of you are online.
You see, i've never had any personal grudges with Funky, i've read many of her posts, she seemed to me then as a lively contributor to this forum until she interfered on me rudely. I felt insulted and wanted to express my displeasure to her, but instead, she insisted her demeaning behaviours. I was compelled to react because, i don't think it's anyone's right to insult me if s/he disagrees with my post especially when it doesn't pertain to him/her.
 I'm not into any competition with any one. Peace.

funkybaby:
story !!!! you must be a very jobless and immature man o ! to sit down and explain your marital status and maritial history to me.     i ask you??  ode

still boils down to the same thing. you got your stay through her. shameless man!!!

it still explains the baked pototoes that you eat everyday. she's american yeah right !! i can just imagine how ''wowo'' she will be.

are you really sure that you are in Dublin?? if yes, then take a visit to the african foods shop and compare the cost of african foods in naija to the cost of those in UK. since you are so f*cking blind and dumb that you can't read my post and see the word ''compare''. thats the reason why i have highlighted it this time.

olodo rabata

You said before that i married an Irish woman for "papers", and now you asked if i'm trully in Dublin. Wht the contradiction?
 You don't have to "imagine how 'wowo' she will be" you can see her by my side with her US soldier brother: Just click my username and the photo is there.
 Would you now accept a hand shake of peace from me ?

pardon me

Hope you're not the guy yourself, if you are (or your friend is) i'll advice that you guys think twice, UK is good for those who don't have good hope in Nigeria, but for somebody already making that much Money from Nigeria, i advice a second thought: but if going to the UK for a professional job, then, it's worth it. It's frustrating to be an illegal resident abroad. Are you good with this advice?

D1O:
why is everyone being so hostile to funkybaby. I actually see her quite differently. Please is there something that I'm missing? Vicjustice you might want to comment on that because I notice you are really hostile to her

You see, i'm not here for trouble, i enjoy using nairaland forum because, it makes me feel the taste of home while i'm abroad, i indeed enjoy corresponding with Nigerians.
  But, it's annoying that some people take advantage of this forum and insult whoever they wish from behind their monitor. 
  I've read many of Funky's posts, and i observed that she's always been rude to people who see things different from her, little did i know that it would soon be my turn, and she took on me without a second thought, even though i never had any previous convo with her.
Bellow is my simple post to one John, he needed advice and i thought i could help, so i posted him this article:

Quote from: Vicjustice on August 17, 2007, 06:32 PM
"Dear John,
as a fiance, the embassy will definitely doubt your relationship with her, and they're likely going to refuse you the visa 100 times (each time, you'll have to pay the visa fee): and you might not be given the rights to appeal their decisions.
  If you get married in Nigeria, that will automatically qualify you for the status of EU family member. By this, you'll not have to apply for the standard visa and paying the visa fee, you'll be given the entitlement to apply for a family member permit: this Permit which seems like a visa (but with remarks that you're an EU family member-giving you the right for a residence permit) is free of charge, no visa fee. And if however they refuse you the visa (permit) for reason of doubts and trial, you'll be entitled to appeal it which will eventually be in your favour as long as your marriage is sustained.
  I advice you to do the marriage in Nigeria. Goodluck"

BUT THIS FUNKYBABY CAME FROM NO WHERE TO SHOW THAT SHE KNOWS BETTER, BELLOW IS A PART OF HER RESPONDS

Quote from: funkybaby on August 18, 2007, 07:58 AM
"@vicjustice
sometimes i read your posts on nairaland and i have noticed that most times you give the wrong advice to people. just because (as you say) that you are in Ireland does not mean that you are well versed in immigration laws especially those relating to the UK. Its best not to say anything than to mislead people  every lame man knows that although UK is an EU courntry, it has its own peculiar immigration laws. your advice to the poster  !!!DOES NOT APPLY TO THE UK AT ALL"

HERE I TRIED TO EXPRESS MY DISPLEASURE:

Quote from: Vicjustice on August 17, 2007
"Dear FUNKYBABY,
Could you please refere to one or two of my "misleading" advice that i gave to people?
Sometimes before, i felt like deleting my profile from this forum since some faceless arrogant users use this means to insult people, but then, i didn't want to delete it because, i enjoy corresponding with Nigerians, and there are more friends than foes here.
  When you see my "online" status in this website, do not assume that that i'm regularly available or that i'm a less busy man, i'm a professional worker, and my home and office computer is regularly running several hours a day: it automatically logs on to Nairaland.com when it's switched on, and keeps on the "online" status even when it's shut down, (except i manually log of).
  I simply gave a well wishing advice to the guy, John; that he should marry and apply for a family member visa, and if however i was incorrect in any way, does that give you the chance to be rude? By the way, what does the word: "MISLEAD" mean to you?
  Check your dictionary and see if the word MISLEAD represents my message to John.
  I suppose you adore the mr. VOR, don't you see how he put his post in respond to my information?
  No need to doubt whether i'm in Dublin or not, i'm Irish citizen, and i'm currently working in the Baltic states".

BUT SHE REMAINED ANNOYING:

Quote from: funkybaby on August 18, 2007
"story  ! i still stand by my post !"

I UNDERSTOOD SHE'S A RUDE ONE BY NATURE AND:

Quote from: Vicjustice on August 18, 2007, 08:59 PM
"Funky, you're a typical nigerian girl, you don't believe me because you compare me with your own condition. But we're not in a contest, are we?"

HER REPLY:

Quote from: funkybaby on August 18, 2007
"because you have internet access-
*** rolls eyes***
***hisses***"

Imani, i've always respected you, and i regard your thoughtful posts. But, i must admit that i'm beginning to get upset with you for your undue accusations based on your suspicions.
By the way, what makes it hard for you to believe that i could have a friend in Nairaland?
Would it interest you to realise that you're a close correspondent (in this forum) with my own brother in Canada?
  Well, it's not an ideal to identify him to you, anyway.
  I was considerate enough to tell about Armedlion, but you're rather getting on my nerves: I respect you, and i'd expect you to do the same. Goodday

best wishes from the buttom of my heart, and remeber to post us on your success, we'll be glad to celebrate with you: may we not hear sad or negative news in Jesus name. amen!

Quote from: funkybaby on Today at 11:05:44 AM
This post is strictly directed at
1.VOR
2. mrpataki
3.akolawole
4.londoncool
5.muyiwabank
6.of course, myself

could we all meet if possible for one hour? on a weekend?


[quote author=Baba_Dibia link=topic=73815.msg1415984#msg1415984 date=1187719010]this ashawo don dey look for boyfriend, if she get man for her life, she for no get time for this sort of get together: na wa oh, the guys wey she invite no gree reply humm. if you need help, i gwet medicin to make you attractive to guys.[/quote]What a shame ! The poster (Funkybaby) has abandoned her thread and omitted her posts, none of her invitees responded, it seems no guy wants to be involved with this fat belly woman who calls herself "baby". Even a native doctor understand her kind of calibre. What an embarrassment!

Soon, you're gonna change your user name and come out cleaner, but if you do, then, you're a big time looser, with all your big mouth

funkybaby:
@vicjustice

you wan start again this evening. 

are you f*cking blind or retarded??  which of the two?? 

my post was directed to D10

everybody knows in jand and us that african food are annoyingly expensive compared to the prices in naija.

i can't blame you sha. maybe all you eat is baked potatoes with scrambled eggs made by the Irish woman you married there in Dublin to secure your stay. so how will you know the cost of a tuber of yam or yam flour.

look, i do not come here on nairaland to pretend what i am not. i will talk about UK, the way i see it. which is why a lot of peeps love me here.

african food is annoying expensive in UK, include seasoning maggi and knorr. i still stick to my statement.

olofo !!!

@Funkybaby
  Funny you ! She's not Irish, not even European, she's American, and we got married in Germany: she's a staff nurse at my place of work, so, she can't give me an Irish paper. Look for your mate, i'm not one
TO YOU, ORDINARY MAGGI IS "EXPENCIVE", I DOUBT IF YOU'RE REALLY IN THE UK

funkybaby:
@salsera

very well said.

@D10
also come with lots of african food, (amala, garri, fufu, poundo yam, yam tubers), name it !!! and lots of seasoning as well (maggi and knorr). those stuff are annoyingly expensive here.

like salsera said, AVOID CREDIT CARDS TOTALLY. AND BANK OVERDRAFTS TOO. believe me, awoof dey run belle for UK.

@ Funkybaby:
MAGGI AND KNORR are annoyingly expencive here? By the way, where are you really , are you so poor?

My G, i don't think any body had ill wishes for you, you were just too foolishly careless to have posted these articles, and worst still, you included your photo in your profile: but at least you took a lesson from my harsh rebuke and wisely withdrew the photo.
  Somehow, i'm not convinced that you've arrived, because you were on line yesterday in Nigeria, and you're online again even now. WHICH AIRLINE FLIES DIRECT TO DUBLIN FROM NIGERIA? It takes several hours to get to Ireland due to transit. What time did you fly and what time did you arrive?
  If however you're in Ireland, here's my number, i'll give your my number; I may be of help

I insist that these articles are embarrassing

onatisi:
GOOD DAY EVERY ONE,I JUST SECURED A 3 MONTHS VISITING VISA TO DUBLIN,PLS CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE CHALLENGE  COS I AM INTENDING TO STAY THERE AFTER MY VISITING VISA EXPIRES IN THREE MONTHS.PLS ANY HOPE OF WORKING AND STAYING THERE WITHOUT BEEN CAUGHT AND DEPORTED.

aloib:
I INTEND TO STAY LEGALLY BUT THATS WHY I POST MY TOPIC SO I CAN GET MORE ADVICE ON STAYING THERE LEGALLY BUT PLS HOW DO I EXTEND MY VISA, AND WHAT  IS THE MAXIMUM MONTHS I WILL BE GIVEN FOR EXTENSION AND WHAT ARE THE PARAMETERS FOR EXTENSION, AND IS IT POSSIBLE TO DO A PETTY JOB WITH A 3  MONTH VISITING VISA

ALL HAIL PILGRIM.1!!!
I said it before that there's this remarkable wisdom in your comments, both of responce and of answer. I declare that i love you!
May you increase from wisdom to wisdom, it appeases me to see that you're able;e to answer questions from unbelievers and even they attested to your wisdom. God is proud of you, so am i.
Maybe you should just ignore these people because, even during the days the Lord Jesus on earth, there were such people, and they never believed him: rather, they crusified him

@marjson
Hey, Idiot!
  What are you doing, seeking advice or just exposing your intentions here?
  Do you know that a visa doesn't guarantee you an entrance into the country?
  Fool, people like you are responsible for the repatriation of some ordinary people. Haven't you heard that there are many people that are repatriated at the point of entry for reason of doubts?
  Men, don't you guys have common sense of reasoning? you even have your photo here! How would it feel if at the point of entry, they refuse to let you in?
  Sure, you realise that Nigeria has the bigest EU embassy market in the world: Believe me, these immigration people know very well about this nairaland website, and they are often browsing and reading our posts too.

mizztee:
about what?

@mizztee
If my memory serves me right, i understand that you deleted you earlier post, why  ?

@ Kelly
  Appeal will take up to six or seven months, but i suppose you stand a better chance to prove yourself in appeal than in a new application: it actually depends on how soon you need the visa and among other things, the quality of your documents, though. Sorry for your refusal.

Na wah oh!

Funky, you're a typical nigerian girl, you don't believe me because you compare me with your own condition. But we're not in a contest, are we?

ALL HAIL PILGRIM.1!!!
I said it before that there's this remarkable wisdom in your comments, both of responce and of answer. I declare that i love you!
  May you increase from wisdom to wisdom, it appeases me to see that you're able to answer questions from unbelievers and even they attested to your wisdom. God is proud of you, so am i.

mizztee:
,

Hi Mizztee, have you changed your mind?

FUNKYBABY
BELOW IS THE ORIGINAL ADVICE THAT I POSTED, COULD YOU PLEASE UNDERLINE THE "MISLEADING" COMMENT?

Vicjustice:
Dear John,
as a fiance, the embassy will definitely doubt your relationship with her, and they're likely going to refuse you the visa 100 times (each time, you'll have to pay the visa fee): and you might not be given the rights to appeal their decisions.
If you get married in Nigeria, that will automatically qualify you for the status of EU family member. By this, you'll not have to apply for the standard visa and paying the visa fee, you'll be given the entitlement to apply for a family member permit: this Permit which seems like a visa (but with remarks that you're an EU family member-giving you the right for a residence permit) is free of charge, no visa fee. And if however they refuse you the visa (permit) for reason of doubts and trial, you'll be entitled to appeal it which will eventually be in your favour as long as your marriage is sustained.
I advice you to do the marriage in Nigeria. Goodluck

funkybaby:
@vicjustice

sometimes i read your posts on nairaland and i have noticed that most times you give the wrong advice to people. just because (as you say) that you are in Ireland does not mean that you are well versed in immigration laws especially those relating to the UK. Its best not to say anything than to mislead people 

every lame man knows that although UK is an EU courntry, it has its own peculiar immigration laws. your advice to the poster  !!!DOES NOT APPLY TO THE UK AT ALL

@johnthomas
why not get married here in Nigeria. It is really simple, just go to the court registry with a few friends and you are done. of course, the chances that you might be refused are rather high since you were once deported, but if you appeal, and the appeal is handled by a very competent lawyer, you will win.

the fact is that settlement visa applications especially those made from nigeria do not have very high success rate. i know sooo many people that have been denied despite their GOOD immigration history, but the good thing is that they all got the visa about a year later after appealing.

its funny that you spent 10years illegally in the UK. why didnt you get a committment from your fiancee then?? the earlier you get married to this woman, the better for you or better still get her pregnant  because from what your travel history#(deportation), she might be your only opportunity of ever going back to the UK.  you know, things are getting tighter each day unlike it was ten years ago - the biometric passport thing, serious passport control checks, the eye scanning machines at some of the airports, etc.

if you apply for the finace visa, it will only take the Grace of God for you to be given. Like you said, the fiance visa is only 6months and you are not allowed to work. The embassy will definately think you are desperate to get to the UK (a place you lived for 10years before you were deported), and they might not give it to you since you did not return back to nigeria the first time you were given the visa.

what ever decision you decide to take, i wish you the best.

@VOR
Oga,hello.  its been ages since you were last here. trust you are okay.

Dear FUNKYBABY,
Could you please refer to one or two of my "misleading" advice that i gave to people?
Sometimes before, i felt like deleting my profile from this forum since some faceless arrogant users use this means to insult people, but then, i didn't want to delete it because, i enjoy corresponding with Nigerians, and there are more friends than foes here.
  When you see my "online" status in this website, do not assume that that i'm regularly available or that i'm a less busy man, i'm a professional worker, and my home and office computer is regularly running several hours a day: it automatically logs on to Nairaland.com when it's switched on, and keeps on the "online" status even when it's shut down, (except i manually log of).
  I simply gave a well wishing advice to the guy, John; that he should marry and apply for a family member visa, and if however i was incorrect in any way, does that give you the chance to be rude? By the way, what does the word: "MISLEAD" mean to you?
  Check your dictionary and see if the word MISLEAD represents my message to John.
  I suppose you adore the mr. VOR, don't you see how he put his post in respond to my information?
  No need to doubt whether i'm in Dublin or not, i'm Irish citizen, and i'm currently working in the Baltic states.

jayon:
MP007@ You are a big monkey u need to live there forever no place like home, am going to france tomorrow to buy perfume then i will visit my cousin in london,i will then head to japan to see my family friend, isn't that sweet die,live for US.u don hear

jayon:
@ Mp007 congrats , lol, Travlling by december when me dey travel almost everyweek,u dey book flight every year or month, u need to die in US

jayon:
travelling is sweet when you have Jesus because he will bless you , my job is JESUS Jesus other people do yahoo yahoo but me Jesus Jesus.start now u will flowing in money,

jayon:
cool maybe someday when am going for some conference will take u along

jayon:
he no matter i can take u all along or invite you

@ Jayon,
   those who really have the money do not brag, their money talks for them. Regular travellers have nothing to boast about because, travelling is their normal activity. But, your bragging makes me doubt something .

Dear Bikolo and Johnthomas,
As a fiance, the embassy will definitely doubt your relationship with her, and they're likely going to refuse you the visa 100 times (each time, you'll have to pay the visa fee): and you might not be given the rights to appeal their decisions.
If you get married in Nigeria, that will automatically qualify you for the status of EU family member. By this, you'll not have to apply for the standard visa and paying the visa fee, you'll be given the entitlement to apply for a family member permit: this Permit which seems like a visa (but with remarks that you're an EU family member-giving you the right for a residence permit) is free of charge, no visa fee. And if however they refuse you the visa (permit) for reason of doubts and trial, you'll be entitled to appeal it which will eventually be in your favour as long as your marriage is sustained.
I advice you to do the marriage in Nigeria. Goodluck

Dear John,
as a fiance, the embassy will definitely doubt your relationship with her, and they're likely going to refuse you the visa 100 times (each time, you'll have to pay the visa fee): and you might not be given the rights to appeal their decisions.
If you get married in Nigeria, that will automatically qualify you for the status of EU family member. By this, you'll not have to apply for the standard visa and paying the visa fee, you'll be given the entitlement to apply for a family member permit: this Permit which seems like a visa (but with remarks that you're an EU family member-giving you the right for a residence permit) is free of charge, no visa fee. And if however they refuse you the visa (permit) for reason of doubts and trial, you'll be entitled to appeal it which will eventually be in your favour as long as your marriage is sustained.
I advice you to do the marriage in Nigeria. Goodluck

:-x

Yasiday, i get what you mean, my apology for my assessments of you due to your post, you see, there are lots of guys here who try to intimidate people with their travel achievements, such behaviours make Nigerians to be more desirous and determined to take desperate measures just to travel out.
  I want to commend the calmness you show in your reply, such a nonchalant attitude reveals that your claim is credible, other people who exaggerate their stands would retaliate insults in defence of their claims. I respect you.

I'm possitive that you'll get the visa since you're not in the category of people who give the ECO concern that they might not be trully interested in studies or that they might not return after their studies.

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