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Mogidi:
“I wish to state that I have done, by God’s grace, a lot of election petition matters and I know that up till 2011, INEC form provides that candidates should state their qualifications. In other words, just say that you have O’level; you have B.Sc; you have BL etc; then, you go and sit down.

“But right now, the rule has changed. Form CF001 says apart from filling your qualifications, you must attach them; you must attach photocopies of your qualifications; and to attach means to bind; it means to glue-to. As we look at the form that you have filled, we have to see all your certificates attached to your form."

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For now, I presume Mr. Ozekhome has correctly stated the facts about INEC's rules concerning form CF001. Several posts on this thread so far and I have not yet seen any tackle the key failures here:

1 Before now, INEC did not require any candidate to attach evidence of educational qualifications. Just CLAIM you have a B.Sc, M.Sc, PhD, JP or whatever and the matter is settled.
2 Before now, INEC clearly did not carry out independent verification of candidates claims with respect to their education . These claims or declarations were accepted at face value.

Welcome to the Federal Republic of Nigeria. Why should INEC accept ANY candidate's claims about educational qualifications without INDEPENDENTLY verifying such claims? Isn't it the common sense thing to do so? For the past sixteen years, a federal agency with subventions running into billions cannot carry out a simple independent verification of candidates claims with regard to their education? Should anyone be surprised why politics in Nigeria attracts the worst people?

This nonsense by INEC is just another form of the adult delinquency that is expressed in actions such as Nigerian lawmakers asking government nominees to sensitive positions to "take a bow" before the National Assembly. No questions. Just take a bow. Which serious country does these things?

When the world says we are not serious, we take offense. But the truth cannot be hidden. Never! Indeed we are not serious. And we will pay a heavy price for this. Those countries that are serious will pillage and plunder this place, either directly or through proxies till we have nothing left.

Broken country, broken people.

What kind of hell is this?

somziency:
He has given his evidence counter it with yours if you have any so that we can analyse and place them in perspective. Your response are mainly questions. Back it up with either statistical or pictorial facts.

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No sir. The point I am making is that the OP's 'evidence' (the pictures and all that) presented in support of an assertion (that GEJ is doing exceptionally well) is incomplete. The OP is the one making the claims, not me. I am saying that making such claims without full disclosure (of all relevant facts) is wrong. Simple.

Of course my 'response' is in the form of questions. I am challenging the OP to disclose all the facts surrounding the infrastructure projects she listed. Only then will the truth be known. To use an extreme example, let's assume the federal government constructed a 2km road at a cost of N300 million. The road was constructed and completed all right, but have taxpayers received fair value for money with a 2km road costing N300 million to build?

These are the issues. Full disclosure is required. No less.

biafranqueen:
That is not my focus right now, I suggest you do the research and start another thread. You can help #CHAIBUHARI team they really need someone intelligent like you doing some digging, GOODLUCK,I look forward to your findings, tag me and we will debate your findings.

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I thought this was a serious thread. Your response from here on will determine whether or not I will stay or find something useful to do with my time.

I don't understand the invocation of Mr. Buhari's name in this. He is not the President of the Republic. Dr. Goodluck Jonathan is. I am asking simple questions which deserve answers.

Is the Nigerian public receiving value for money spent on infrastructure? You say 'yes'. All I am saying is that you should prove it by answering the questions I asked in my earlier posts.

That's all.

biafranqueen:
That is not my focus right now, I suggest you do the research and start another thread. I look forward to your findings, tag me and we will debate your findings.

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No Ma'am, that's simply not good enough.

You have made some pretty strong assertions and I have challenged you on them. If indeed you believe in the 'strong' performance of the GEJ administration, you should be able to answer the questions I have asked. They are clear and simple enough.

You can't duck your 'responsibilities' and pass them off. You are touting GEJ's achievements and I am challenging you to prove them beyond reasonable doubt. Is that asking for too much?

You talk about the FOI Act passed into law by your principal. If it were truly functional, then you should be able to answer my questions immediately, don't you think?

biafranqueen:
I'm sorry I did not mean to ignore you I have like 75 mentions and I did not get to read like 6 of the pages yet. I looked at your grievance and your right I actually pulled that off rel fast to answer an attack. I didn't go to War College so I am still learning. Rest assure these presentations actually were not for the public at all I just stumbled upon them while downloading mine http://www.slideshare.net/TransformNG/hon-min-education-ministerial-platform-2013normal

Because of the GEJ Information act everyone is held accountable. Thanks for your observation I will remove it. That is why it is bad to act while your emotional. Once again thank you for the correction you rock!

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Thank you for a civil response.

But we are not done yet. I will start with the section on roads in your first post.

You posted several pictures of roads and a long list of projects. Your summary of activities is that the FMW has a total of 195 on-going projects amounting to a portfolio of NGN1.397 trillion. But your performance assessment is incomplete. There are questions which any project assessment worth its salt should ask (or answer) and you have not asked or answered those questions.

You quoted a unnamed 2010 study which revealed that only 27% of federal roads were in good condition. What is the percentage today?

You listed several road projects undergoing dualization, rehabilitation, emergency reinstatement, repair, limited rehabilitation, periodic maintenance, reconstruction and pavement strengthening. (That's a trailer load of verbs to describe road repairs don't you think? )

But you had precious little to say on:

When the contracts for these projects were awarded, and to whom?
When they were scheduled for completion?
What the contract sums were?
Whether or not there were any upward revisions or variations in the contract sum and why?
Whether there were any revocations and why?
Whether any contractor was penalized for non-performance?
Whether the FMW fully utilized its capital votes for last year? (And the year before? If it did not, why?)
Whether the project outcomes were guaranteed and for how long?

In other words, I am asking whether the Nigerian public has received value for money. That is a question you have failed to ask or answer. A few photographs with bold, racy captions will not cut it.

Carry out a proper and honest assessment. I am waiting for you to do this.

gateleo:
Please can you also show us or tell us how much money this administration was able to generate from 2009 till date? Tell us also, how much we have in our foreign reserve in 2009 and also tell us how much we have at present. It will also do all of us good, if you can also share the cost of each of these projects and the contractors involved.

Thank you.

OP,

You would do well to take a look at the post above. The questions asked (and the list is by no means exhaustive) are necessary for a serious assessment of any government's (not just GEJ) performance.

There are clear performance indicators of how well a government is performing. You know what they are. You need to mention them and judge the current administration in a clear and precise manner. Do this before other posters start asking the hard questions.

I am waiting. . .

alimantain:
@Biafranqueen

You posted a picture of a road up there claiming that it is done by GEJ. Please when did we start using right hand cars in Nigeria. They drive in the opposite direction in countries only where right hand cars are used.

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OP,

I don't know if i missed it but I have not seen your response to the above post.

There may be a good explanation for your 'right hand drive picture'. Or there may not. But it makes one wonder which other pictures in your art gallery may be incorrect or misleading.

I have seen a few other photos/pictures of yours on this thread which I know will be challenged, as sure as night follows day.

Kindly respond to alimaintain's observation. Let us start from there.

This thread is something else

I can't even believe some of you are taking time to counter the drivel from some gentlemen (you know yourselves) on here.

The issues being discussed here were settled a long time ago. If anyone still needs to be convinced that PDP governments (of which the Jonathan administration is the latest example) are virulently anti-Nigeria, then such a person has abysmally low standards or is gaining from the mis-governance on display.

There are ten other presidential candidates apart from the PDP presidential candidate. They all have the benefit of a clean slate. They have the benefit of the doubt, since they have not yet been elected to serve. The PDP candidate on the other hand, has to explain why he and his predecessors did not do the things they promised to do, (for 16 years!) despite federal resources at their disposal. This election (like the past 4 before it) is a referendum on the performance of the PDP. Nothing less. It is up to Nigerians to decide if they have suffered enough.

The countdown has begun.

maestroferddi:
FFK sinned and has asked for forgiveness.

Jonathan, Bianca and indeed the Igbos are no Herod or Agrippa that would rather remain vindictive than reap the auspicious benefits of forgiveness.

Agents of destablisation should learn to fight their own wars without trying to drag the Igbos into needless fuss.

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Nairaland's tribal politics holds no attraction for me. I have more useful things to do.

Which is why I focus on individuals and what they do. Or what they don't do. Mr fani-kayode is a poor excuse for a man, an old man at that. I take exception to the excuses you were making for him. It would perhaps be understandable if a teenager were gloating among contemporaries about his past girlfriends. But a fifty something year old man? And before a national audience?

As I said before, only in Nigeria could a man like this rise to become a federal minister. And that's why we are not talking about what he was able (or unable) to achieve in office, but instead we are talking about alleged romantic liaisions of thirty years ago.

We are not serious.

maestroferddi:
Granted that FFK committed a gaffe largely driven by youthful exuberance.

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What do you mean by 'youthful exuberance?'

The man is over half a century old for goodness sake!

This is a man (with teenage children of his own!) bragging about who he was and was not romantically involved with. Classic case of arrested development.

It says a lot about Nigeria that this sort of man rose to become a federal minister.

Surely someone should have a link to the audio/video files of the rally.

This is the second thread on this GEJ/Jim matter.

OP, post the file and let us finish this matter once and for all.

agabaI23:
No way, I cannot condone corruption. I am not aware of the allegation and that does not change the veracity of the allegation if it is true so I do not want to comment on it.

I was commenting on the importance of Jim in the old Anambra state. So anyone who wants to play politics with that has done very well. There is virtually no one who did not benefit from his government. He was good probably because he was younger.

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But that's the whole point.

It isn't Jim's performance as government that is being discussed here. It is an allegation that he broke the law while he was Minister of Sports. Whether or not he was an excellent administrator (important as that is) under whom 'people benefited' is NOT the matter here. I hope you understand.

The most important thing is whether or not GEJ actually made those comments. I am waiting for someone to upload the files. That will settle the matter.

repogirl:
We are in the 21st century and not in 1983, technology is the only way forward and not jailing anyone who is not your brother .

But some people who can't even post their pictures straight online will never get it! .

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No madam, that's not good enough.

Sensible Nigerians will never oppose measures designed to promote openness and clarity in the public (and private) sectors. IPPIS and the e-wallet initiatives appear to be some of such measures.

The problem is that such measures (by this administration and the other PDP administrations before it) are few and far between. These measures are the exception rather than the rule for this administration.

There is no need to list cases and examples over the last four years where this government should have taken a clear and decisive stand against white collar crime and larceny by public sector officials. Those cases are all over the internet and the print media. Did the government do what it was supposed to do? No it did not.

Nobody is saying that the current administration hasn't done some good. It has. But it hasn't done enough. It has not done enough!

And for that reason, it should go. The big question is whether Nigerians understand the issues well enough to ask the government (on February 14th) to account for its performance (or lack thereof)

We shall see.


P.S. By the way, only Nigerians (as we can see on this thread) could come up with the twisted notion that building institutions/improving technology and enforcement of extant laws are mutually exclusive. Only Nigerians.

I want to lend my voice to those asking for the OP to upload audio/video files of the rally. Kindly upload a link so that this matter can be settled once and for all.

agabaI23:
You do not understand who Jim is to the old Anambra state. If you want to talk about development, call Jim. He left a legacy especially in the rural areas. Most of the secondary schools you will find in the rural areas were built by Jim. Please don't even go there.

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Strange how you ignored the morality of Jim's alleged actions. Your comments imply that his 'achievements' as governor somehow excuse his alleged misdeeds as Minister of Sports. Or isn't that what you are saying?

Alleinad:
Vote GEJ 2015 to 2019 and another christian after him to continue..... Be wise, Christians. Development is of no use if we have to be in bondage to enjoy it. Have you seen any Muslims roasted alive because of my religion? yet how many Christians have been burnt alive because of their religion?

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Not very believable advice coming from you. After all, you started a thread titled 'F&*k the Church'

https://www.nairaland.com/1876406/f-k-church


Why should anyone take you seriously?

I have never voted PDP at the federal or state level and probably never will. I never voted for the old ACN either (at any level) and will not vote for its new incarnation at the state level.

But it must be said: even if some consider Agbaje's comments to be politically incorrect, he is only telling it like it is.

Of course it is galling to be told that Nigerians must vote GEJ on February 14 or else. . .

The nerve of it

But. . . Nigeria is not a normal place. The normal rules of engagement do not apply here. It saddens me to say it, but militants in the Delta DO have the means to grind this country to a halt. They did it a few years ago. And (unless there is a plan B), they can do it again.

It is not pretty to say or hear, but that is the reality.

One other poster here laid the facts out in clear detail, giving scenarios of how difficult a military solution would be if push comes to shove and the ND militants return to the creeks. Unlike some here, he didn't insult anyone - he just told it like it is.

The comments of some others here are nothing short of an insult - they are trying to coerce everyone into supporting their principal. And of course they should and will be resisted. But is there a plan B if they make good their threat?

Food for thought.

P. S. It is a pity the GEJ administration has done precious little to enthrone true fiscal federalism and (the oft abused and misused) 'resource control'. What a wasted opportunity.

anonimi:
There is a competition between two alternatives.
Jonathan is BETTER by far than Buhari and I will do my utmost to support his winning next month.
You can go through my posts to understand why Jonathan is much better than the PRETENDER that APC is packaging and trying to sell to us.
Cheers and Happy New Year.

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No sir. That's not good enough.

You will have to prove your assertions with facts. Hard evidence, not generalizations. 'Before' and 'after' comparisons and not silo assessments.

Note that this thread is not an easy one for GEJ supporters to comment on. There is nowhere for them to hide. The last six years have seen one huge corruption scandal after another. Time and time again. What has been done to fix this? You can't gloss this over.

Nigeria's many complexities and contradictions usually give room for her leaders to deflect their many failures. Unfortunately for these leaders, corruption is something that cannot be convincingly blamed on religion and ethnicity. This thread has so many posters voicing their displeasure at how this administration (like the other PDP governments before it) has failed to tackle public and private graft. What is your response to them? Vague generalizations? How about giving information on the number of successful prosecutions? How about the number of convictions? How about the volume (in Naira and kobo) of successfully recovered ill gotten gains? And perhaps most important of all, how about the systemic reform which removes or eliminates the opportunity for corruption in the first place? (So much talk about this, but what has been done?)

You quote Transparency International Reports on Nigeria. I am wondering why you have not said anything about the activities or the annual reports of the ICPC and the EFCC - Nigerian agencies with the statutory responsibility of fixing the problem we are screaming ourselves hoarse about.

As I said earlier, the reasons for your metamorphosis will be revealed in due course.

anonimi:
Jonathan seriously needs to learn how to put words together that adequately reflect the SUCCESS recorded by his administration against corruption as recognised by credible organisations like Transparency International and shows up in improved infrastructure, agriculture & service delivery.

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Your metamorphosis remains a mystery to me.

Before the 2011 elections, you were one of the very few voices on here who consistently warned people to get out there and vote the right candidate. You were non-partisan and you told it like it was. I always looked out for your posts and those of others like you - people who clearly had a sense of civic duty.

Four to five years later and your naked partisanship is baffling. The only redeeming feature you have at the moment is your resolve (through your many posts) to expose the hypocrisy, double standards and graft in the APC-led governments of Lagos and other states. Which makes your fierce support for a failed, inept, anti-development PDP government at the federal level all the more confusing.

In the fullness of time all things shall be revealed.

double post

okpamson15:
is just the mata of time. They wil al cry

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No sir. You can't say that.

At least have some respect for your countrymen who are legitimately angry about this government's failure to confront graft. Nigerians are not children for you to spitefully declare that you know what's best for them, and that if they don't support your candidate they will weep.

What gives you the right to say that?

maestroferddi:
If twisting the issues the President raised would make you guys happy, then keep regaling yourself.

Objective and intelligent Nigerians could decipher the propriety of the President's speech. Corruption is endemic to the Nigerian system and can't go away with a wave of a magic wand.

No sir.

Put your literary skills to good use.

That corruption is systemic in Nigeria is not news. That song has been on the airwaves for years. The question has always been: who is going to step up and do something about it?

People had high hopes, expectations and support for GEJ. They really did, for so many reasons. I didn't, but so many did. Six years have gone by and the verdict on his performance (on the matter of corruption in Nigeria) is NOT good. His administration has no one but itself to blame for that.

We will see what happens in 6 weeks.

okpamson15:
guy u 4 no talk na. Buhari men too plenty here.

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decode20:
stop acting as if ur limited experience represents universal truth.if u realy knw what coruption,u wil understand dat 2 fight coruption,u must first destroy d structures dat promote coruption which is inequality.second,u must create an enabling environment 2 show pple other ways of achieving their dreams which must nt necesarily b politics cos politics in nig. is seen as d only way of acquiring wealth.lastly,u strenghten d institutions responsible 4 fighting coruption wch d president is abt 2 do.

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ogene007:
GMB supporters should go beyond noise making and give us their plans in tackling corruption, because the present constitution handed down to us by the Hausa/Fulani was deliberately designed to encourage corruption, and all attempts to amend it has been frustrated by them. The PDP led government has on its own tried to come up with some laws to clean up the system and make things more transparent, through the public procurement law and freedom of information law, the latter was passed into law by GEJ. There is presently, the asset forfeiture bill awaiting passage in the NA for many years, this bill will put the coffin on corruption if it is passed. Let the APC noise makers who are equally benefitting from corruption, stop deceiving themselves and ask their members and their Hausa/Fulani counterparts in the NA to quickly pass this bill, rather than hypocritically continue to ascribe to themselves to title of anti corruption crusaders.GEJ understand that the problem of fighting corruption goes beyond noise making by parading suspects on television. If he says that he will strengthen the institutions, let us all cooperate with him, both NA and state houses of assembly, to ensure that the constitution is amended to enable us wage an effective war against corruption.

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mikeansy:
That's the difference between aspirations and reality. That's why these dates are called target dates! They are sometimes different from actual dates!

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Some of you have no shame.

mikeansy:
Anybody worth their onions in project management know that target dates for programs of such monumental scale do get missed

but what is important is whether progress has been made. Electricity has improved and infrastructure has been put all around the country to achieve stable power supply in no distant future.

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vikyno:
I can't see any promise made there. A promise is quiet different from a target. A target can either be realistic or unrealistic.

He supposedly made a target he couldn't meet which I believe its a normal thing that can happen to anyone .

This could be as a result of an unforseen circumstances. Nobody is perfect aside God.

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mikeansy:
all this people saying Buhari will fix Nigeria should watch the video above and see if they see a leader to lookup to.

The paper he is reading was clearly written by someone else and he deliever the speech like he does not even believe in it.

If I am Jonathan all I will do is engage Buhari as many times as possible on live TV and lets see how anyone else other than his obvious base will vote for him.

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Be careful what you wish for.

You have made a judgment on Mr Buhari based on a single 8 minute speech, non? The problem Dr. Goodluck Jonathan has is that he will be judged based on his speeches and his actions over a 6 year period. How will he fare?

I do not know who will win the presidential election next year. What I do know is that my household and I will NOT be voting for Dr Goodluck Jonathan and the party whose platform he will run on. Never have, never will. But I WILL vote. Just as I always have. As long as there is life and health in me, I will cast that ballot come February 14 next year.

What you do not understand is that the next election is a referendum on the performance of Dr Jonathan and the party he is representing. Buhari is not on trial here. Jonathan is. Buhari isn't the one who has to present a report card to Nigerians. Jonathan is.

As I said earlier, I have no way of knowing who will win the next election. That is up to Nigerians to decide. What is clear is that the 2015 election is a test of the ability of Nigerians to hold their leaders accountable. It is a test of their understanding of the Social Contract. Nigerians have had a number of presidents over the last 15 years running under the platform of the ruling party. Yet their country's infrastructure remains very poor. Incomes are low and over half the population lives below the poverty line. Hope and time are fast ebbing away for an entire generation that thought it would rise above the failures of its predecessors. And worst of all, the leadership of the current administration (like all the other PDP governments before it) remains morally deficient and thoroughly compromised. The "I don't give a damn" and "stealing is not corruption" comments are still ringing in my ears as I type this - in serious countries, such statements by a sitting president would have brought down the government in a matter of days. Nigerians however, stood idly by. Or did they? Will they take their revenge next February?

It is up to Nigerians to decide how they wish to live. To those young people on here who desperately want jobs and livelihoods and yet proudly announce that they will not be voting next year, I ask you: has Abba Moro or the Ministry of Internal Affairs refunded the money collected for the immigration recruitment exercise that cost so many young and not so young lives? Has somebody paid for the criminal negligence that led to the deaths in that stadium?

Nigeria - your future is in your hands.

lefulefu:
nO light 4 naija
food expensive 4 market
armed roBBers don tAKE over our roads and houses
policemen always asking 4 egunje
.......Bros,yankee na paradise compared to naija ooooo.naija na the hellfire wey dem say contain hot fire and Brimestones
Wait first make i checkout and start to dey sample all those fine fine yankee BaBes wey i dey see 4 tv

lefulefu:
the only reason Blk women date white men na Becos of money or green card.when dem need real good panel Beating 4 Bedroom they call 4 d Blkman.if white men dey so good then oyiBo women for no dey come africa looking 4 .......u know

lefulefu:
But our tool Big pass oyiBo man own By far.White man their thing small like 2 months old BaBy own.This na one one of the reason those Black women wey dey married to white men still dey hide dey sleep around with Blk men

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This says it all.

Your posts are all over the place - contradictions left and right.

By your own admission, your country is in a mess. No electricity, high living costs, violent crime, corrupt policemen....and so on. But it doesn't matter. After all, your countrymen all have 'big samanjas'. That more than compensates for all other failings doesn't it?

Going by your theory, life should be hell on earth for the Japanese. After all, they (and other Asians) are said to have the smallest members on the planet. But they have managed to build stable, prosperous, orderly, industrial societies. Despite their 'challenges' in the 'sexx organ size' department.

Get real.