₦airaland Forum

atlwireles:
Wave it away? mister, what have you done for them? come here and draw cheap rain? Give me a break. You want Nigeria to stop because boko haram set bombs off? Did you go to work today. Why not sit at home and mourn the dead children.


Go home and look for someone else to pour vexation on.

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Nonsense.

I may not have done anything for those kids, to use your words. But I haven't trivialized their death in the name of partisan politics. How low can you sink?

You don't have to mourn them. But you don't have to insult their memory either.

atlwireles:
Why, tell me what in that statement is despicable.

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Scores of children are murdered in cold blood (not for the first time, and sadly, not likely to be the last) and all you can do is breezily wave it away as one of those things?

You crossed the line with that comment.

atlwireles:
How many People died in Nigeria yesterday? How many will die tomorrow and next week. Should this nation stop functioning because people are dying?

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This is despicable.

candidbabe:
why won't they kill their own brothers?
The word of God said that our enemies will eat their flesh and drink their blood, that is what is happening, northerners never see anything yet.

shebi they want to make the country ungovernable for GEJ?
they should dance while the music lasts.

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You are not who you claim to be.

Litmus:
You seem very earnest, and it's likely that your support or participation in the campaign is with the best of intentions, but from my perspective the campaign is naive . And, as for not responding to your other post , with all due respect, i rarely do so. This is not meant disrespectfully. Finlay, you're wrong, i am passionately pro Nigerian although not at all Afrocentric.

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Of course I am earnest. I cannot afford not to be.

We have long passed the stage of worrying about naivete or what outsiders will think about us. I spent a lot of valuable time a few days ago on another thread tackling a fellow called patriot4 who had a similar argument to yours. He, like you, was more concerned about image and perception.

There seems to be a preoccupation with image among those who do not support holding leadership accountable. Holding leadership accountable is one the key responsibilities of citizenship. It is a sacred duty. Without it we are lost.

If I may ask, how can you be passionately pro-Nigerian and yet apolitical?

pendy79:
The highest percentage of bad roads in Nigeria are the so called Trunk C roads that fall under the purview of the local government area councils.

The reason is that they are mostly made up of closes, streets and cresents that don't really carry much vehicular movements. Also budgetary constraints makes the local government not to meetup the demand of fixing them.

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Not sure what you mean up here. Trunk C roads are bad because they are made up mostly of closes, street and crescents? Or trunk C roads are bad because they fall under the purview of LGs?

Your last comment about budgetary constraints is a classic example of the aberrant character of Nigeria's political system. LGs are responsible for trunk C roads but LG chairmen cannot be held accountable because state governors have decided to take over the allocation due to LGs. Interestingly, this daylight robbery cuts across party lines.

How can this country develop where state governors have completely emasculated LGs? How?

atlwireles:
I can boldly tell you the federal roads in my state, benin-warri, warri-asaba, npa expressway, east-west road. Are the best roads in my area of the state. We don't have that many federal roads, most of our village and small town roads are state and local wahala. NNDC helping many local governments improve their roads, does not make them federal. This is my personal experience.

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My other question still stands: is the federal government owing states any money for road maintenance and construction? Robbing Peter to Pay Paul?

Litmus:
Hmmm, I thought the Chinese, Indians and others are smarter than the black man, i wonder why none of these smarty pants thought of shaming their Nation into doing better by plastering all their ills online for the entire world to pass judgment on them.

The Chinese are the stupidest they hide everything.

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You chose to avoid responding to my post on the other thread on this topic. Quit with the pseudo-patriotism and false Afrocentrism.

atlwireles:
My eyes and car are proof enough

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The info I have requested for is critical to holding government accountable. I have stated this several times on this thread. But the FG and those who defend it have refused to make the info available to all Nigerians in a clear and unambiguous format. Is this for sinister reasons? Is it because most Nigerian roads that are in a poor or bad state are federal roads? Is that the reason?

atlwireles:
I don't have any answer at this time where 100% responsibility lies with certainty. Using my state of delta as a study case, then 99% of the failure is local/state.

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Do you have documented proof of this?

pendy79:
I'm not in the biz of promoting any party. We are not all blind or ignorant, the choice is for any Nigerian to seek a change or stick with the status quo.

You have your single vote as I do. Convince any one you feel you can with facts and the reality there in. I bore no grudge or affection with any body or any party. We are all adult and surely can take an informed opinion. The fact is laid bare we all can pick where we want to be.

I'm not in the calibre someone calls miserable and I look the other side. I'm not christ bro.

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Suit yourself.

pendy79:
guy, if you pass an unwarranted insults on me and I insult your father, is it a problem? don't touch a dog's tail that's my philosophy. I dont go out of my way to abuse or insult anyone, Go through all my post, I respond in kind if your don't respect yourself. If you hit me with a bat, don't complain if I respond with a sledge hammer.

if I make a post and you insult me, I'm a pure breed Yoruba guy, I don't go home to look for response, I reply instantly.

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You are free to respond to insults from others as you see fit. It is highly unlikely that I will fall into that category anyway. But be prepared for the blowback.

I still stand by my earlier comments. The constant, casual, easy denigration of an entire ethnicity has to stop if you want to be taken seriously. The choice is yours.

From your posts, you appear to have specific partisan political interests. You will never, ever win over the neutrals (not to talk of direct opponents) to your side with direct, unprovoked putdowns of entire ethnicities. Whose interests are served by doing so? (Again, the assumption here is that you are not a 5th columnist).

Think.

atlwireles:
What questions did you ask? I may or may not be of help to you.

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You may check my previous posts on this thread for the full details. He posted a pie-chart showing that the bulk (83%) of Nigerian roads are the responsibility of states and LGs. He also posted a pie chart showing that 65% of Nigerian roads are in a poor or bad state. Unfortunately, he did not tell us who is responsible for those poor or bad roads - FG, states or LGs.

Once we know who is responsible for what, the buck-passing will stop. Nigerians deserve to know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Double post

pendy79:
Read well where you quoted me from. You will see it was a response to an insult.

You won't see an intra state road as worst as the you will see in Aba in any part of SW. I lived and worked in Akwa-ibom for over 11years. I passed through virtually all the states and I've had course to visit every part of the south south to the south east. All the states and their capitals before I relocated out of the country. So I know what I'm talking about. Lagos is not eldorado likewise newyork is not.

But you will see a strong desire to change the landscape and purposedriven leadership in the places I mentioned.

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No sir!!!

He made an uncomplimentary remark about you. You turned around to put down an entire ethnic group. There is a difference - they are not the same thing.

I've gone through quite a number of your posts (on this very thread) and the pattern is the same. It simply devalues your argument and weakens the resolve to punish incompetent government - some people latch on to these put downs and suddenly that becomes THE topic of discussion.

The failure of government is the issue here. Not anyone's ethnicity. (I am assuming that the majority of us on here want a country that works and are not pushing an exclusively partisan political agenda).

MissMeiya:
I would appreciate your contact info regarding this project

Thx

I tried to pm you but I'm not sure if it went through. If you have any info to share on the topic I would be more than happy to use it.

pendy79:
The worst roads in Nigeria are the Inter-State roads which is a direct responsibility of the Federal Government. what is the traffic load on streets roads that fall under the Local Government purview. The Intra-State Roads are the best maintained and serviced in the South West and some Part of South South that I used to know. The only areas you will see bad intra-state roads are in the South East, I stand to be corrected though.

the worst nightmare one can have is to be an Igbo.

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I do not know whether indeed intra-state roads in the SW and SS are the best maintained. Putting that aside, it puzzles me how you can expose the clear failures of the federal government and then turn around to devalue and diminish your own argument with the last sentence of your post. What is wrong with you?

atlwireles:
That OP has Igbo nightmares. The fact over 70% of Nigerian roads belong to states and local governments, is lost to him.

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We meet again atlwireles.

I have asked a few questions of anonimi on this thread. He has refused to answer them. Perhaps you would like to step up to the plate?

Litmus:
All that advertising the negative aspects of your country online achieves is discourage investment and provide ammunition for those that seem to gain some sort of weird pride by disparaging your country. Nigerians are the only people so far that i know that believe humiliating themselves will bring about improvements. On the other hand, it is likely that true Nigerians are not the ones that started this campaign. Could be other Africans. It could be Expatriates. It is easy to imagine a couple of expatriates in Lagos, "having a laugh", sending these images to social media and then think - nodge-nodge wink-wink -these people are so stupid we can get them to send even more pictures of their decrepit nation online to disgrace themselves. A little like those days when expatriates would bring out their cameras in some back streets Accra and tell little black boys to jump around and scratch the top of their heads. The expatriates would take pictures and every black person in the community would think its harmless fun. But later the Expatriates would return to Germany or some other place and show those pictures, saying that black kids act and look like monkeys.

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No sir, that's not good enough.

It is sad that you have nothing to say about holding government accountable. Instead, you have harsh words for Nigerians who have been frustrated to the point that they have been forced to 'name and shame' their leaders online.

By the admission of the federal government's own agencies, 65% of Nigerian roads are in a poor or bad state. (see the other thread on this topic for details) That is the real issue here. That is the real crime here. Other Nigerians are angry enough about it to challenge the government through all available channels. What are YOU doing about it?

You have to take a stand. In one of your other posts on another thread you claimed to have no interest in Nigerian politics or Nigerian political parties. And yet in the same post, you considered yourself to be the ideal barometer for measurement of key political matters. Talk about a contradiction.

Those who have taken the war against bad, irresponsible and downright criminal government to the web are taking citizens action against a government that has consistently failed to live up to its end of the Social Contract. If you consider the actions of these people (who are holding their government accountable) to be nothing more than washing our dirty linen in public, then so be it.

We will hold our government (at all levels) accountable. By any means necessary.

anonimi:
A combination of all three.
Proportion is based on where you are hence the usefulness of the # forum that is the subject of this thread.

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FERMA and FRSC did not do a thorough job. I repeat: they did not do a thorough job.

The data is only partially useful in that it does not allow us to assign blame or responsibility to parties that deserve it. As it is, we do not know which tier of government to hold accountable. Or was that a deliberate action on the part of those who put the data together?

I do not understand what you mean in your second sentence.

anonimi:
So in your swagger-ful smartness ALL roads in Nigeria are the responsibility of the federal administration. Attached is the % road distribution with the federal government having same as states while 774 LGAs that are 101% controlled by state governors are responsible for the greatest number of kilometres.

Chai, see original, concentrated STUP'IDITY on full public display

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Good. We are getting somewhere. The facts are beginning to come out.

The only problem I have with your data is that it does not state which roads are bad. Are they federal, state or LG? The story is not complete until this information is provided! The chart simply provides room for the deflection and reassignment of blame/responsibility that defines this thread.

Nigerians want to know who is responsible for the 65 percent of Nigerian roads that are in a poor or bad state. Is it the FG, states or LGs? Or a combination of all three? And in what proportion?

Some fellows here have turned this thread into a mud fight. In their usual manner.

They have done so because they have no answer to the question that has been put to them: Why are Nigerian roads so bad?

The PDP has been in power at the federal level for over a decade. Federal roads remain an eyesore. And people honestly expect that the PDP will not be held accountable? The ACN (now APC) has been in power at the state level in Lagos for the same length of time and Lagos roads are still an eyesore. And people honestly expect that the ACN (now APC) will not be held accountable?

The questions I want answers to now are: is the federal government owing any state for road construction/maintenance and has refused to pay up? Is Lagos state owing any other state (or the FG) for road construction/maintenance and yet has refused to pay up? The answer to this will determine my next move.

I and my family will be waiting for you all at the polling booth come February 14 next year, Deo Volente.

The shame of a country.

Unlike some people here, I am not here to play partisan politics. I am a Nigerian who just wants this country to work.

I am compiling a list of roads in this country with details such as the tier of government responsible for construction and maintenance, year of construction, amount allocated for maintenance and construction in federal and state budgets, amount actually expended at the end of the fiscal year etc. I want to urge anyone who has access to this kind of information to collate it and publish it here. This is the only way we can counter the creatures here on this thread who are excusing failure and criminal incompetence.

Nigerians need answers to certain questions:

What was the budget for road construction (at federal and state level) last year? the year before last? and the year before?

What was actually expended at the end of the fiscal year (can we all see why post-budget reviews are carried out in serious countries?)

How do we compare with other countries in road construction and maintenance?

Is the federal government owing any states for road construction/maintenance and has refused to pay up? Is any state owing the federal government (or other states) for road construction/maintenance and it has refused to pay up? Why?


Roads have been around since Roman times. And yet every year, 21st century Nigeria routinely kills its most productive population segment on the slaughter slabs it calls roads.

I can't wait for February 14 next year (Deo Volente). I can't wait.

patriot4:
Look, first of all, you don't seem to understand that right now one of our biggest problems is the western media itself !
The fact that all they report about Nigeria is negative is a way to destroy the country.
It seems you do not know what is called hostile reporting!
No country is perfect and it is going to take us time to overcome our problems, but the western media is killing us right now !
Western media is trying hard to destroy our image and economy and so on. It is the average Nigerian who suffers from that. This is a form of foreign intervention, the like of which westerners think they are god sent to do.
Western media believe in the moral superiority of the west and intentionnally portrays black nations which are powerful enough to have their own policies and to influence others, as evil. They did that to Haïti and crashed its economy. It is the same western media which was used in the days of colonization to portray africans as savages who needed their ressources taken away by westerners and their freedom suspended.
I think you really have a problem understanding me, the reason why I talk about cameroon is all about the logics of condemning us day and nigh while not condemning people who are worse than us. Cameroon is a dictatorship which has a habbit of locking up political opposition, in their last fake elections the opponents of biya said biya was the best candidate for presidency. Biya has been president for more than 31 years, and the country is extremely corrupt, but Biya was schooled and appointed by France and spends a big amount of time in Paris (probably taking orders), so western media looks the order way (play on words). You really need to understand that the media is being used as a weapon, not as a humanitarian intervention. Look for example at what western media and aljaziera have turned isis into, thanks to them isis is now an international company which is growing in strenght, and the poor countries of Iraq and Syria keep seing their people being beheaded at a greater rate. Western media portrayal is so terrible that now many westerners have been brainwashed by the media and are now terrorists fighting in syria. The same with this boko haram problem in which the western media publishes a lot of ennemy propaganda and gives the terrorists free publicity and gives it a bigger credibility than any Nigerian institution or person. All this helps the terrorists to recruit and helps them to get funds. People who specialize on fighting against terror (including Jacob Zenn) have been complaining on the fact that western media is willingly or unwillingly making rockstars out of terrorists. This is what I am complaining about !
All this was also done against Russia itself, yes great Russia was bashed by western media and that is why RT was created. The same was done against Iran and that is why pressTV was created. The same was done against the arabs and that is why they created aljaziera and al arabiya.
You need to understand that there is such a thing as media war going on !
This world is not an utopia in which the press tells the truth and is driven by good intentions, it is all about running people down !
You should know that ! The press is a tool much like an army, it is there to exeecute your foreign policy.
So you need to understand this, there is no moral superiority in western media and there are no good intentions neither, it is all about fighting against Nigeria through media war ! That is why Nigerians keep being humiliated in international air ports.
So stop the simplistic rhetoric of saying "fix your problesms and the negative media coverage will go". When we had more serious problems in the abacha dictatorship for example, the media coverage was better than what it is now.
We are bound to fix our problems, but by ourselves, no messianic mission from the west, just Nigerians fixing Nigeria's problems. On the other side there is a media war going on and that also needs to be won.

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This is probably going to be my last post on this thread. If you notice, my last post was a point by point response to yours. Unfortunately, you did not respond in the same manner, which makes me doubt if you understand my position on the issues being discussed. Nonetheless I will once again take up some of your key points one by one:

Your most recent post talks up a storm about how negative, hostile reporting is 'destroying' and 'killing' our image (image, again?!!! ) and economy. You then talk about how this media driven 'attack' is a form of foreign intervention. For the last time, I urge to kindly note that you are not the only one with a clear understanding of global geopolitics and the history of Western imperialism. You are not telling me anything new about how the West operates. You would be better served in educating your/our leaders about these things because frankly speaking, I think they need these lessons far, far more than I do.

You brought up Cameroon once again, despite my very clear comments about how I am much more interested in Nigeria than Cameroon (for obvious reasons). Perhaps without meaning to, you have exposed your real concern on this matter: you are upset because the West has not taken Cameroon to task for what you consider to be Cameroon's comparatively worse situation. It is unfortunate that you have very little to say about fixing your own country's problems - you are clearly more concerned about an 'equitable' distribution (by the very West whom you so despise) in its description of regional and continental state failure. When will you stop worrying about what the West SAYS and start worrying about what YOUR country's leaders are going to DO?

The United States government and other key Western European powers denounce and disparage China and Russia in the complex dance that these powers routinely engage one another in. Without in any way legitimizing or supporting Russian/Chinese state policy I must ask you sir: Do you think the Russians and the Chinese care? Do they respond in an emotional manner with outbursts about 'image'? No they do not. China and Russia are INDUSTRIAL powers who actually make and manufacture stuff. Russia and China DO matter. They do not necessarily need US approval to validate themselves. They simply advance their agenda and interests (as far the system permits), whether the Americans call them names or not.

Once again, perhaps without meaning to, you have exposed your woolly thinking on this matter. Since you have framed the argument in terms of a media war propagated by hostile powers, what stops your country from responding promptly the way the Russians, Iranians and the Arabs have? According to you, Russia, Iran and the Arabs have RT, PressTV and Aljazeera. What does your country have?

I am beginning to lose patience on this matter - the best you and I can do is agree to disagree. It is very revealing that while you write copiously about the grand global media plan to destroy Nigeria (and your strategy to counter it), you are curiously short on detail about fixing your country's many serious problems. Apart from a few platitudes and vague one-liners about how we will somehow fix these problems, you had absolutely nothing to say about strategies, objectives and action in decisively answering the Nigerian Question. You chose instead to expend your considerable energies on 'your' media war with 'hostile' Western powers.

Go forth on to victory, sir. I wish you well.

patriot4:
VolvoS60 ,

You need to understand that it is not international media bashing of the country which would help its citizens.
Right now the common image of each and every Nigerian who goes abroad is that of a corrupt individual.
Needless to say that foreign investment is far from where it could be if we didn't have such an image.
Changeing the Nation is something we need to do internally with our votes and our unions and our political rallies and political parties, not something we are supposed to be doing by destroying our collective image internationnally.
You don't find it interesting that our neighbor is far more corrupt than we are, yet all the western media does is to say how corrupt we are. Of course they forget their own corruption.
The only news they broadcast about us are negative and you think there is no problem with that !
Try and do research on character assassination.
They are not trying to help us, they are trying to run us down !
They are trying to trigger more bloodshed and to stop foreign investment and to freez the economy entirely.
Imagine if the only news about the us was about its corruption and its racism and its non stopping aggressions of foreign countries and also its depleted federal reserves and it crime rates and its link to several terrorist groups. Imagine that kind of news portray of the us everyday. Then the perception of the us and of americans would be that of being a terrible country and people... That is the kind of treatment we are getting.
I don't need the bbc or cnn to help me in building my nation, I and my people are not babies, we can do it, western and foreign media stop the character assassination of my people and country.

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'International media bashing' (as you put it) means different things to different people. And for the record, let me state that I understand perfectly well the immense power of global communication media and the insidious uses to which it can be put. I have no problem at all if Nigerians challenge unfair portrayal of their country. What sickens me is when 'local area patriots' make absolutely no effort to fix their country's problems and instead choose to spend most of their time attacking Western media channels. Fix your systems and half the war on unfair portrayal is won. Period.

You speak about foreign investment in Nigeria and how our 'poor' image hampers it. At the risk of sounding like a broken record let me state clearly: fixing our broken systems and sub-systems is a surer bet in driving FDI than any online debate on image polishing that you and I can have here. There are 'ease of doing business indices' that will tell prospective investors all they need to know about doing business here in Nigeria. All prospective investors need to do is read these business guides or contact their embassy trade missions or chambers of commerce and the truth will be revealed. I am deeply saddened to tell you that my experience in registering a business here in Nigeria with the CAC was an awful one and no online image management can erase that reality. I will save the story of the experience of doing business itself for some other time.

I am glad you agree that, as you put it "Changing the Nation is something we need to do internally with our votes and our unions and our political rallies and political parties". This sir, is where the problem really lies. This is what we should focus on. I can tell you again: hold your leaders accountable in fixing your system and I guarantee your/(our) problems will shrink.

You have referred to our neighbour (Cameroon I presume) in your post yet again. And again I will repeat my refrain: I am not interested in corruption in Cameroon. I have no direct personal or professional ties to Cameroon - other than our shared brotherhood as friendly neighbouring nation states. My interest is Nigeria and in forcing her leaders to do what they are being paid to do. Simple.

The rest of your post is unfortunately, full of emotional comments about Western media driven attempts to pull us down, trigger bloodshed, squeeze FDI and crash this economy. Patriot4, please buckle up and get on with the hard work of forcing your leaders to be accountable and to do what they are paid to do: getting Nigeria to work and to work properly and efficiently. In the end, that is what will get results. Not this impotent railing against the "enemy without" over the internet.

On a parting note: I do not view the USA through rose tinted spectacles. It is a giant with clay feet. It is a deeply fractured country with serious problems - high rates of violent crime, a poor public education system, a thoroughly corrupt political system which disenfranchises the poor and vulnerable, institutional racism, an evil doctrine of imperialism masquerading as "American exceptionalism", rising poverty, unemployment and income inequality, etc. I could go on and on. But these are problems that Americans will have to solve for themselves - if they choose to pretend these problems do not exist (or that hostile countries and a global media conspiracy have fabricated these issues to make the USA look bad) then Americans WILL pay the price. The same holds true for Nigeria: we can choose to confront our problems head on and fix them OR we can waste time fighting (ultimately futile) image management wars or blaming 'hostile' countries and their newsmedia corporations.

Actions and choices have consequences. It is a natural law.

patriot4:
Actually he didn't say much, except showing that he thinks patriotism is equal to critisism.
He is guilty of the same thing he is accusing people of. He is also intolerent to other people's opinions and he believes his ideas are superior.
That guy is a narcicist. And tell me this: with all the negative press circulating against Nigeria, do you really think that trying to give at least one positive image of the country is wrong ?
When was the last time you heard that cameroon was corrupt ?
Well it is much more corrupt than Nigeria, yet all you hear is that Nigeria is corrupt, so corrupt !
When did anyone tell you that the us military is corrupt ?
Well they are, it is just not broadcasted.
Instead of criticizing and therefor joigning the millions of media bashing against Nigeria, why don't you do something that helps for a change ?
Why don't you open a school in Nigeria ?
Why don't you make a political party ?
Why don't you open a car factory in Nigeria ?

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It would have been more honorable if you had addressed me directly instead of making oblique references.

It is strange if all you could infer from my post is that I equate criticism with patriotism. Of course its not that simple. But taking constructive criticism (internal or external) well and acting on it IS patriotism in action (this is of course without excluding other factors in the mix). Do you understand now?

According to you, I am intolerant, narcissistic and possess a superiority complex. . You also claim I am guilty of the same 'crimes' I accuse others of. You will have to explain a little bit further on this.

The rest of your post is plaintive wailing about burnishing Nigeria's image. I am simply not interested in such unproductive ventures. What this country needs is for her people to hold their leaders accountable in GETTING THE SYSTEM TO WORK. When this is done there will be no need for spin doctors and image makers and all that nonsense. The facts will speak for themselves then.

So many 'patriots' are concerned about Nigeria's 'image' but do not want to do the hard work of building institutions and holding their governments accountable. These 'patriots' discourage blunt, frank assessment of our failings and instead promote their evil bigotry of low expectations in both the private and public realm. I refuse to buy into that nonsense.

I am not interested in corruption in Cameroon or corruption in the US army. I am interested in corruption in Nigeria and for one reason only: I want it to stop. Full stop.

Chinazaekperem6:
The summary is that NO ONE has the right to physically assault or intimidate others just because they do not agree with you

CHIKENA!

Irrespective of the level of your conviction, you do NOT physically assault others in an attempt to forcefully coerce them to your belief.

I will argue with anyone on this forum on the ills of homosexuality- I actually see it as as growing societal Cancer but it is absolutely ridiculous to maim people that disagree with you.

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Those who beat this fellow up are like an army that is fighting solely on one front (with bows and arrows as their only weapons) while completely unaware of several new fronts that have opened up, leaving it vulnerable to annihilation by enemy forces armed with 21st century weaponry. Those who beat up this man (and those posters here who support the beating) simply don't know what time it is. They are pawns. Nothing more.

For example, how many Mac/iphone/ipad owners who oppose homosexuality are ready to show their displeasure with Apple CEO Tim Cook's recent announcement? How many of them are ready to switch to other products? How many are ready to put their money where their mouths are? Do they even know that this is where the real action is taking place?

I have an assignment for anyone who has the time. Do an inventory of your assets and the brands which you typically spend money on (both your big ticket purchases and your regular expenses). Find out how much the corporations behind these brands have contributed to LGBT groups and causes (contributions which have been going on for decades, in some cases). The results of your research will shock you.

Billyonaire:
Igbo smoker, face your lane. Me and you no dey the same category. You are abysmally sick and mentally retarded. Keep meandering out of discourse. Ode! Gays must be wiped out from Nigeria. This is a religious nation, even LP as a party frowns against sodomy but you embrace it cos you wan join them. I dont have time for a loser, stop quoting me.

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I am intrigued by the 'even LP as a party...' bit in your post up there.

Kindly explain. What do you mean by that 'even LP' business? Are you in any way implying that the Labour Party is traditionally sympathetic to causes that decent members of society are rigidly opposed to?

Is that why Mimiko left the Labour Party? Kindly explain, sir.

Curlieweed:
It's the trademark of the Apeeshit insurgents to sensationalize (thereby trivializing corruption IMO). The GAVI report was very clear that $2.2 million was misappropriated and not the the entire $29 million. It was also clearly that career civil servants were responsible (although the Minister does have the responsibility to citizens to provide explanations). It was equally clear that the issues were systemic and were due to poor internal control ( something symptomatic about our entire public sector).

This hypocritical screaming about corruption was the trademark of the perfidious Usman Dan Fodio ( the patron saint of the Janjaweedian Apeeshit) who used similar hypocritical bleating about corruption to rile the talakawas and succeeded in stealing the Hausa States from their rightful princes installing his sons and relatives as "princes". Yet barely a few decades later, British colonialists reported the Caliphate as rotting with even greater corruption and with over half the population as slaves.

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I agree with your comment about system wide rot in Nigeria' public sector.

What I do not want to be drawn into is a contest among partisan politicians and their online proteges. I am enduring the misrule and sub-par performance of two of this country's largest political parties (the PDP & the APC) at the state level and the federal level. The issue at stake here is a failure of the (PDP-led) federal government's ministry of health to live up to its responsibilities. This failure WILL be challenged by ordinary people like me who just want a country that works.

But we will also be there to challenge the failure of APC/APGA/Labour/Accord party etc to live up to THEIR responsibilities in any of the states they control.

cramjones:
You are very stupi.d! GAVI - is the Global Alliance for Vaccines Initiative, primariy funded by Gates and other rich nations. A highly credible organization does an audit and and says $29 million was stolen, and you said they should be charged first? A goat reasons better than your pus-filled brain

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You are clearly ill-bred, sir.

Make your point without the insults, please.

I would be the last to make excuses for public officials guilty of wrongdoing. My posting history proves this.

I have taken a look at GAVI's report on its website. I have downloaded it for future reference. However, at no point (as far as I am aware) did the report point to Chukwu as being directly responsible for the theft of US$29 million. The report is clear that there was a fraud but the guilt of any single individual so far has not been established. However, as I said earlier, the ex-minister and the officials of the agency superintended by his ministry owe Nigerians an explanation, as a matter of public interest.

What Nigerians should demand for is a transparent public investigation with clear consequences for any official found guilty. Nothing less is acceptable. This is the minimum expected from the government of Goodluck Jonathan.

As for you the OP, only you can explain the motives for your sensationalist headline. What is strange is the inaction of the mods on this matter.

The mods here are asleep.

Almost 12 hours after the misleading thread header by the OP and the mods have not thought it necessary to change it. Several posters have requested for a change in the header until the specific individuals responsible for the fraud have been charged. Are the mods going to claim ignorance of these requests?

Instead of a united front against graft, we now have what this thread has eventually turned out to be. Nonsense.