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A bit more detail would have been good. So far nothing has been said in these reports about what GE will actually be manufacturing, making or 'assembling'. |
whitecat007: Fuc.k all you enemies of progress and get the hell out of my region. Don't you have states and Govs? why the obsession with Sw? your people have said your region must to remain backward and so it shall be, but don't bring your backward ever mentality to my states. You are going to shit and eat it before you die over Lagos^^^^ Lol. You have no idea where I'm from. And I can't say for sure where you are from too. Anyone could claim anything online. What I do know for sure is that you are ill bred through and through. Because a fellow poster simply said a video (a promo/advertising video, nothing more!) was a fantasy, you began to spew the most evil kind of ill will all over this thread. And for what? To what end? Only ill mannered creatures from the gutter do that sort of thing.You know in real life you wouldn't have the nerve to say the stuff you typed out in your post to ANYONE's face. You conveniently hide behind a keyboard and pour out your rubbish instead. You are ready to kill or be killed for a politician but you would never be ready to do the same for an ideal. Shame on you. |
Eko Ile: You really don't have to type this pointless and meaningless ignorant essay just to convince us that you are afflicted with chronic bad bele, just summarize your bad bele and save us some valuable bandwidth..^^^^ Typical. For once, confront the issues raised! Your insults will never move me, sir/madam. All I will advise you is to tell your masters to beware of hubris. It has brought down men far, far greater than them. |
sino: Indeed it's your choice, no one will force you to change it, but, i must say that your choice is borne out of a fallacious reasoning. Why? You tend to have made your choice about Islam from a faulty reasoning, you hastily concluded about the tenets of Islam(to promote violence) by looking at a minute sample(some Northern Nigerian Muslims).^^^^ No sir, my choice is not borne out of 'a fallacious reasoning', as you put it. My 'hasty conclusion' is not based on observation of a minute sample. A sample drawn from which population? African muslims? Or muslims from all over the world? Which is it? It cannot be the population of Nigerian muslims. You referred to this 'minute sample' as being made up of 'some Northern Nigerian muslims'. No sir, it isn't 'some'. All I need to do is refer you to the facts - from the early 1980s to date ALL the states up North (except perhaps Sokoto) with a clear muslim majority have experienced shocking levels of violence with religious undertones. This is not a phenomenon that can be dismissively referred to as "some Northern Nigerian muslims". It is too widespread for that. sino: There have been cases of violence in Nigeria which were quite severe and they had no correlation with Islam or Muslims, for example the recent ombatse cult massacre of the Nigerian police, and more like such that have happened in the past whereby innocent people have been killed. Would it be right for me to conclude that Nigeria promotes violence or that Nigerians are violent people?^^^^ The only answer to your question above is 'ýes'. Nigeria promotes violence. We ARE violent people. Our modes of conflict resolution (at home, school, work, play, worship - you name it) expressly include violence as one of the first options on the table. We do not even need to debate this - look around you. The only issue we may argue about is the differences in the propensity towards violence of the different sub-groups (stratified along economic, political, ethnic, gender, class, and yes, religious lines) that make up this weird and wonderful country. What is sure is that there is a built-in baseline level of violence below which no (true) Nigerian can fall. sino: Nigerian Muslims need no answering here, we only would continue to live peacefully and remain law abiding citizens as we have always been. Criminals who comit attrocities under any guise should be dealt with by the state, and we(citizens) irrespective of our religious affiliations must stand up and support the state to bring them to justice.^^^^ Laudable words which unfortunately run into serious problems in the real world. I once posted here on NL on the life and times of the late Alhaji Lateef Adegbite. He and other well known Islamic scholars like the late Sheik Mohammed Gumi could be said to represent the views of a sizable number of Nigerian muslims. These men (while alive) had stated publicly at one forum or another that they considered Sharia law to be superior to Nigerian law. As you know, this view can only lead to trouble, the most recent manifestation of which is the Boko Haram problem. You see the contradiction? sino: Again, Nigerian Muslims have never been found wanting in educating the populace in regards to morality and eschewing societal vices, lectures and seminars are conducted regularly, and very soon the holy month of Ramadhan(month of obligatory fasting) would be here with lots of activities which are centered on God consiousness and being better Muslims. Please tune in to Islamic programs and listen to what is being preached, you wouldn't hear about riches and wealth like others do, but rather, fear of God, good deeds and good moral characters that would uplift the individual and the society.^^^^ I am all for this. For years I have listened to Islamic sermons that come on the media during Ramadan, etc., and though I am not a muslim, any exhortation to live to a higher standard can only be a good thing. For example I have always admired the simplicity of Islamic burials. Ostentatious burials do not seem to be common among muslims - this encourages a solemn focus on the finality of death and the grave lessons for those of us left behind. But having said that, I also understand and agree with those who consider death to be a celebration of sorts, particularly if the deceased lived to a ripe old age in the service of God and man. These are just my views anyway. sino: Let me give you an example, i want to believe you studied in Nigeria, and if not, perhaps an assignment for you to verify, some Nigerian universities are known for cultism and other social vices. Foremost of those who stand up against these vices is the Muslim community. You can go to any public institution in this country that has a sizeable amount of Muslims, and confirm this.^^^^^ You do have a point here. I am Nigerian through and through and went through UI. I know the hell that some students went through in the hands of confraternity boys and it was surprising to find out that a number of universities (mostly in the North & a few down South, notably OAU, Ife) had made their institutions a no-go area for confraternities. (Not that they were not present, but they were definitely on the margins). Unfortunately, a number of universities (mostly those up North with a large majority of muslim students) gained a reputation for a simmering tension between muslim and christian students. In the end, the gains were lost. Zero cultism but frequent clashes between muslim and christian students? There is no gain there. sino: Our females are better dressed and exhibits good morals and our males show decorum. You can go to any public institution in this country that has a sizeable amount of Muslims, and confirm this.^^^^ Can't argue with you about the dressing and general behaviour of muslim girls. You are absolutely correct on this. But don't forget that there are a lot of non-muslim girls in Nigerian public institutions who also dress modestly and avoid trouble. I still stand by my main points in my first post. Non-muslims in Nigeria who have suffered one loss or another in one of the many violent religious riots WILL NOT be satisfied with pious declarations about how Islam means peace. Nor will their pain be soothed by constantly assigning the blame to a 'faceless minority' that inexplicably, continues to operate unhindered. No sir. We want to see the peace of Islam demonstrated in practice. Only then will it make sense. |
whitecat007: Define "fantasy" and tell us why this is so^^^^This is just madness. ![]() What is it with you fashola/tinubu/ACN hacks for goodness sake? You dish out the worst kind of vitriol and you cannot take ANY criticism at all, no matter how justified. You cannot silence those who refuse to see the fashola administration and the ACN through rose tinted spectacles. Who the hell do you all think you are anyway? ![]() If you have lost the capacity for critical self-examination, do not think for a second that this malady has afflicted everyone else in this country. We can see and hear and we have not lost our minds! At every turn it is drummed into our ears that fashola/Lagos/ACN 'is working'. 'Éko o ni baje'. Yet is taking an eternity for Hitech Construction Company (under the supervision of the Lagos state government) to complete work on a roughly 100 metre stretch (between Doby's Haven and Ikota Shopping Complex) of the Lekki-Epe expressway under construction. The contractor has been going through the motions for almost 18 months, moving back and forth over that stretch without any consideration for the discomfort to road users. How hard can it be to construct a bridge over a drainage channel for God's sake? Build the damn road and spare us the sloganeering! (I am not even going to go into the injustice of the tolling fee regime for the users of this same road. That is a battle reserved for another day). Has your principal bothered to carry out any monitoring of his LASTMA goons? Do you know what goes on in LASTMA's towing yards? Do you know anything about the injustice and the unbridled corruption that this agency has become so well known for? Why is it impossible for the agbero/area problem to be eradicated in Lagos and Western Nigeria? How can louts and thugs who contribute absolutely nothing to society continue to live off the sweat of transporters and market traders without retribution? These are the questions you should ask and demand answers to instead of devoting your time to online hagiography. |
I do not agree with many tenets of the Islamic faith. That is my choice - a choice borne out of the reality of being born and living in Nigeria for many, many years. Years in which I have seen inexplicable violence in the name of Islam, largely in Northern Nigeria. Extreme violence in which the perpetrators got away scot free because of the weakness of the Nigerian state in enforcing Nigerian law. Nigerian muslims have a lot to answer for. Having said that, there is some truth in Mr. Bill Cosby's comments. As it was stated in the article, Cosby is very correct in his assessment of the social threads holding African-American muslim communities together and he is humble enough to admit that there are several cultural practices among Afro-american muslims that the wider Afro-american community would do well to borrow from. And its not just in the USA. I also remember what happened in South Africa in the 1990s after the fall of apartheid, when entire neighbourhoods and communities (mostly in deprived areas) were blighted by a fierce wave of looting, arson and drug dealing. I remember vividly that the only communities that stood up and resisted this crime wave were the muslim ones. It is stories like these that increase the spotlight on Nigerian muslims. Will they stand up and be counted? |
One_Naira: as for men wey they want virgin? have any of una had a virgin before? when you have one, you won't want another one. abeg, give me non virgin anyday^^^^ Classic beta male syndrome. . . |
sauer: While others march for the environment, or for peace, or for free speech, or for education for all, or for water, or for Africa, Nigerians march for virginity. You need to think only a bit above usual to realise just how dumb this is. If anyone would do this in a civilized environment, say America, all they would get is ridicule upon ridicule. It simply isn't an important societal issue.^^^^ What exactly do you mean by "if anyone would do this in a civilized environment, say America". . .? Are you by any chance implying that the USA is some kind of gold standard of civilization we should all aspire to? Please explain. |
thelastPope: Please go back and re read my post. I stated clearly that GEJ should be criticized as far as policies are concerned. Criticized, not insulted and antagonized! Please check your dictionary for an understanding of the difference. Please answer my questions on the last paragraph of the post you quoted. If it is about bad governance, what had he done wrong on the day he was sworn in to warrant criticism? A man just assumed office and you start to insult him and say he should be thrown out, when he had not even spent a day there and you say it is genuine criticism? Haba!^^^^ I read your post before making my comments so there's no need for me to re-read it. Sir, I may not be as well educated as your good self but I already know the difference between (justified) criticism and insults/antagonism. And I can assure you that all three come with the territory called 'public office'. It is naive to expect that a public official will not be 'insulted and antagonized' so your plaintive wailing for Nigerians to 'show love' to GEJ & his team will not be given any consideration. What do you want - a group hug? Other countries with far more effective political leadership are even harsher with their public officials than Nigeria is - and there is a compelling reason for this. These other countries recognize that eternal vigilance is the price of liberty and they keep their political leaders on their toes. To whom much is given, much is expected.Sir, you claim GEJ was unjustly criticized from the day he was sworn in, the North threatened to make the country ungovernable etc. etc. That is simply not true. Go back and check the records. One man made the statement about the country being made ungovernable. And if that man broke the law with that comment (as many suspect he did), then what is the government waiting for? The government knows what to do - it should go ahead and do it. As for your other comments about unjust criticism from the day GEJ was sworn in, I urge you sir to differentiate between critical commentary (on GEJ) by politicians with vested interests and critical commentary by ordinary Nigerians. Millions of Nigerians desperately wanted GEJ to succeed for so many reasons - he is from a minority ethnic group whose region earns the forex we need to sustain our imports, he has a doctorate, he was unjustly persecuted by dark forces in the heat of UMYA's health crisis, he does not belong to Nigeria's traditional power blocs, etc. What these Nigerians failed to do was to properly scrutinize the man and his antecedents. I personally lost all faith when in 2007 GEJ tarried in declaring his assets until he was more or less compelled to do so - I am in no way surprised that official corruption is still what it is today. The signs were there in 2007. Unless GEJ gets his act together, he will end up going the OBJ & UMYA route. These men (OBJ in particular) did not build institutions while in power and as such they have no real legacy to speak of today. Is that what GEJ wants? |
thelastPope: I can come here and insult you all day and I might be justified but I choose to appeal to your inner conscience. You dont need to vote for GEJ or support him, but these your campaign to pull down Nigeria isnt working and will never work. If you truly believe in Nigeria, then you lot must stop the hate.^^^^ You made a few solid points in some parts of your post (which I didn't bother pasting here). Unfortunately you lost your way soon thereafter. Not everybody is 'campaigning to pull Nigeria down'. At least I am not. All I am interested in is a country that works, full stop. And I know GEJ and his party cannot deliver that to me. You claim GEJ is being persecuted because he is a minority and not because he is underperforming. That statement sir, is FALSE. GEJ is being put through the wringer because he is failing. He will not be spared because he is a minority. OBJ and Yaradua failed Nigerians and they are justly criticized for this. GEJ will not be given special treatment because he is a minority. No sir. All Nigerians want is somebody that will fight their corner against the vested political and economic interests that have held this country by the jugular for so long. Has GEJ done that? No. And you think he will not be criticized? |
If indeed this man used the words credited to him then he should feel the heat starting now. It would be right and just if that speech marked the beginning of the end of his government. With all his country's current problems he had to go out of his way to insult black people who do not have anything to do with the violence on Turkish streets? Erdogan should be made to pay for this. If not by Turks then by countries with black people. This statement must not go unpunished. |
gbrookes02: "Government is good at one thing: It knows how to break your legs, hand you a crutch, and say, "See, if it weren't for the government, you wouldn't be able to walk."" - Harry Browne,^^^^ ![]() Funny quote. I am always amused at how those people (usually 1st world citizens who actively support wars purportedly fought on their behalf by the same hated governments) who oppose government fail to acknowledge that their governments (through the protection of private property rights) have made it possible for society (and free enterprise) to function. You think the very idea of government is useless and that government adds no value? All right, lets try the alternative. We can ask the Somalis for tips. ![]() |
anonimi: You saw that my ok for subsidised PRIMARY healthcare is seriously qualified.^^^^ I mean you no harm. I don't always agree with all your views but I have noted the challenge you constantly throw to Nigerians to get involved in how their country is run. Anyone with this kind of view has my full support. Having said that, I want you to understand that there is another way: a third way, so to speak. We have had mostly useless governments in this country for almost half a century and that is why so many of us are (justifiably) sceptical about the ability of any government to tie its own shoelaces (not to talk of running the lives of 160 million people). However, you must understand that there are places in this world where governments are transparently run and subsidies are transparently administered. You only need to look at the social democracies in Northern Europe (their current problems notwithstanding) to see how government can actively be a force for the public good (as it should be). You would do well to consider the view that perhaps your focus should be better government and not necessarily less government. There is no rule which states that reducing the size of government automatically improves the quality of government services. |
You have conceded that primary healthcare is worthy of subsidies. At first it seemed that only education passed the qualifying test. Don't you think there are still other goods worthy of subsidies? We are now two up and still counting. . . |
anonimi: What other goods do you have in mind?Healthcare. |
anonimi: Yes in a very GENERALISED way.^^^^How do you mean "ïn a very generalised way"? I am going somewhere with these questions. I find it a bit odd that you single out education for special attention. Are there no other goods with positive externalities which deserve government subsidies? Why education alone? |
anonimi: Because education builds the pepole and society to ensure it creates value and thus earn respect amongst its peers in the comity of nations.^^^^ In your first post on this thread, you said only education deserves subsidies. Do you still hold this view? |
mu2sa2: American soldiers earn their respect. Have you ever seem one with koboko or molesting civilians in any way? The JTF failed because they were just killing innocent people like boko haram.^^^^ You have spoken well. |
anonimi: Useful lessons for Nigeria^^^^I am curious sir. Why the exemption for education? On what grounds does education qualify for subsidies? |
Jakumo: To ward off bullets and grenade shrapnel, I prefer to glue the skull of a baboon to my head, while placing the head of a male parrot in each of my shirt pockets, along with some lizard feet and chit. ![]() ^^^^This fellow is a riot. ![]() |
brownlord: My friend Parker very well, if boko haram where not accepted by the innocent women and children you talking about now, it would have since bn a forgotten, this animals live amongst the populace, unlike the Niger delta militants that live in the creek, but this animals are living among the populace and they shield them. So what are talking about?^^^^ I am not your friend sir. As I said earlier, the internet allows us all to say things we wouldn't dare say in the real world. You gleefully encouraged Nigerian soldiers to kill women and children whether or not they are guilty of aiding and abetting the boko haramists. Going by your logic, you would not be out of order if you encouraged Nigerian policemen to kill ALL the people in any state where armed robbers are found. As I said before, what goes round comes round. |
brownlord: My park well, tell me who is innocent in the north? Is it the innocent woman, that sell food for the terrorist, or the innocent landlord that habour terrorist, or the poor innocent farmer that decided to use the fertilizers the govt. Provided to boost their agricultural product to make bomb? Listen no innocent citizen will help innocent terrorist to hold an innocent country to ransom, thunder fire all of una for that north, all i keep hearing is innocent women and children, who gve birth to the animls tht constitute this useless group boko haram is not the same innocent women?^^^^ Are you saying every single person up north is a boko haram sympathizer? You call yourself a man and yet you gleefully advocate the killing of women and children, mostly harmless individuals caught between a rock and a hard place. Take another look at what you typed up there. Never forget that what goes round comes round. You should be glad the internet guarantees your anonymity, I tell you. |
chronique: So after all he said,He ended with this:^^^^ As the street slang goes: "your head dey there!" Mr Ndoma-Egba should be ashamed of himself. I never yet could trust a man who could speak from both sides of his mouth at the same time. |
naptu2: It's not a big deal. The same thing happened when Obasanjo declared emergency rule in Plateau State. The National Assembly stated that the President does not have the constitutional powers to unilaterally declare a state of emergency. The National Assembly must vote to declare a state of emergency before it becomes legal.^^^^ I beg to disagree sir. It IS a big deal. I am sure you know the dangers of a rubber-stamp legislature. Even more relevant is the question: what happens if the president's party does not have a majority in the upper and lower legislative houses? What happens when lawmakers do not simply 'want to be respected' and they oppose the proclamation of an SOE on principled grounds? If the president unilaterally declares a state of emergency (and does not transmit the gazette to lawmakers for approval as required by law) and the lawmakers refuse to accept this, what happens next? Is this not the beginning of a crisis? If you have determined lawmakers, could this not form a basis for impeachment? |
We have to make up our minds. Laws exist for a reason. They govern how we relate with one another. A country without laws, or a country which chooses not to enforce its laws, is nothing but anarchy dressed up in princely robes. This thread is a depressing one because it has shown several of us up as people who do not have standards or principles - people who change their positions like bulbs of mercury in a home thermometer. I do not care much for the OP. I consider him/her to be an overly aggressive individual who habitually attacks anyone who criticizes the overrated, hypocritical LASG and the venal party which produced it. However, my personal opinions are nothing where weightier matters like the laws of the Republic are being discussed. On this SOE matter, the OP is right. The president has NOT complied with the laws of the Republic concerning the proclamation of a state of emergency. Full stop. That is all there is to it. GEJ broke the law, simple. Instead of defending the indefensible, we would be better served insisting that our representatives (in both the executive and the legislature) should repeal all Nigerian laws which we do not like, or which (in our view) do not pass the common sense test. Until we do this though, we must obey (to the last man) the laws as they currently stand. We cannot have it both ways. |
solopumpy227: I am sorry Sir. But the last time I checked, recruitment into the Nigerian Armed Forces is by quota system and there are 19 States in the North Sir.^^^^ Good response. NL is full of typists who pour forth fiery, explosive rhetoric day and night. One would think they are all war veterans and decorated war heroes but we know the truth - the majority of them have NEVER, EVER handled any kind of firearm. Internet combatants, all of them. . . |
Godman_n: Archaic logo. Crude unintelligent power. That was the same power you wanted to show in Nasarawa when a simple shrine man, took the lives of over 100 policemen. Shameless idoits^^^^ The truth you have brought forward is lost on your critics. Some of them are nothing more than young men excited at the prospect of a bloodbath - a bloodbath they know they are safe from. Its a pity they are not asking probing questions, the answers to which will make sure this boko haram nonsense and the nassarawa killings never happen again. The soldiers should go in and do their job (without breaking the law in any way). But we should always remember that power (and force) must always be used intelligently for it to be truly effective. |
Capnd143: when this was asked, the answer was that "as the keep fighting or in the course of fight the 'train to kill' as in active, while veterans bear "trained to kill" ![]() |
Our Yansh: The dude I referred to is a PDP booty slave. The aim of this thread is to bring the attention of well-meaning individuals to the potential danger of that place. All the twerp thinks about is how to discredit Fashola, as if there's anywhere in the world where infrastructural challenges aren't faced.^^^^ Again, I will emphasize that while not holding brief for the fellow, he does make some valid points. Not every critic of the Fashola-led ACN administration is a PDP hireling. At least I am not. I think the PDP administration at the centre is a disgrace but I also think the same thing about the Fashola administration. |
Our Yansh: Between ur two ears is something called a BRAIN. Its meant to be used.^^^^ While I do not necessarily agree with ALL the views (on this topic as well as others) of the poster you are referring to, he does have a point. |
aurenflani: Bayelsa as we speak is being turned to Abuja of sort! Can you see tha gej has moved Julius Berger and other big companies to bayelsa? This southerners have only one thing in their minds irrespective of the status or political positions: Hatred for us. ![]() You are not who you pretend to be. |
With all the information that Nigerians have at their disposal (about the greed and abuse of office by their legislators), they have chosen to do nothing. Nigerians instead prefer to engage in endless lamentations, hand wringing and breast beating. Nigerian legislators earn more than the US president but will not deliver anything close to US style governance (imperfect as it is) I am glad to see that Kenyans are made of sterner stuff - they clearly understand what a democracy is all about and are prepared to hold their representatives in parliament accountable. Nigerians should learn from this and do away with the idea that they are helpless bystanders in how their country is run. Nobody will fix Nigeria but Nigerians. We must never lose sight of this. |
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Only ill mannered creatures from the gutter do that sort of thing.
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