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Politics › Re: Why Do Nairalanders Refers To The Akoko-edos As Yoruba? by vonxe: 9:04pm On Jan 11, 2018

GuidoVanRossum:
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Ekiti dialect has slight variations which Akure dialect falls under. Akure to nearest Ekiti town is just 25 mins drive.
when I went to kabba (okun) I spent first two weeks looking confused, later I started picking the words slowly until I fully realized they are just twisted Yoruba words.
Believe me it happened to most corpers from different Yoruba area posted to Ekiti or Akure, initially it seems it is a different language but they later got used to it when they roll with the indigenes.

so I won't derail your thread kindly open another for this discussion so other Yorubas can contribute and both of us canlearn more

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Politics › Re: Why Do Nairalanders Refers To The Akoko-edos As Yoruba? by vonxe: 7:34pm On Jan 11, 2018*

GuidoVanRossum:
Akure and ekiti have different language please. I currently live in Akure and that's where I schooled. I grew up in Kwara (Jebba) and so I speak and understand the general Yoruba perfectly. But I can't pick a thing when ekiti people speak. Same about Akure.

You said the construction is the difference? Then Ondo shouldn't be yorubas cos they speak something very different. Same as the rest (ekiti) inclusive. Let me cite some example with a few Ondo I could manage.

Giyan= so fun
Oforfi= Owipe, Onipe.
Kawa=Maabo
Egin=Egbon
Shoon/sun= Yagbe
Mu ko= fun (give him/her)
Etc

Please be sincere when you want to lay out your point. We aren't in competition for who wins or not

As for your last question, no person from Akoko Edo claims to be Yoruba. I have never met such person before.

some thing about these topics is that sometimes emotions are involved. for your information am not a yoruba.

Ekiti dialect and Akure is the same.
why would I lie about a language that is not mine?
I spent the first part of yrs in idanre
I spent few yrs in Akure where I have a lot of ondo friends
I spent several years in Ekiti
I stayed few yrs shuttling akungba to ikare
I can speak idanre and Ekiti
ondo words are 70% or more of Yoruba words
if you had said owo it is still arguable

Anyway I believe these should be left to the academia who studied Yoruba language in school

your points about akoko edos are noted.

there is a nairalander from akoko edo who always claim to be Yoruba markfemi2
when I was in school I have several classmates who said same. it is left to you to believe me

ka WA -- WA means come
MU ko- Mu fun

Politics › Re: Why Do Nairalanders Refers To The Akoko-edos As Yoruba? by vonxe: 7:33pm On Jan 11, 2018

GuidoVanRossum:
Akure and ekiti have different language please. I currently live in Akure and that's where I schooled. I grew up in Kwara (Jebba) and so I speak and understand the general Yoruba perfectly. But I can't pick a thing when ekiti people speak. Same about Akure.

You said the construction is the difference? Then Ondo shouldn't be yorubas cos they speak something very different. Same as the rest (ekiti) inclusive. Let me cite some example with a few Ondo I could manage.

Giyan= so fun
Oforfi= Owipe, Onipe.
Kawa=Maabo
Egin=Egbon
Shoon/sun= Yagbe
Mu ko= fun (give him/her)
Etc

Please be sincere when you want to lay out your point. We aren't in competition for who wins or not

As for your last question, no person from Akoko Edo claims to be Yoruba. I have never met such person before.

Politics › Re: Why Do Nairalanders Refers To The Akoko-edos As Yoruba? by vonxe: 6:10pm On Jan 11, 2018

GuidoVanRossum:
When I was in school, I stayed at Ilara mokin. My course mate who lives in the same compound with me does not understand a word from the dialect of the people there.

You will be lying if you say as a yoruba man, you understand the language of Isua, Ondo, Akure, Ekiti, Ijesha, Ikare to mention but a few.

1. Ekiti and Akure dialect is same
2. apart from isua I have not been to, I can hear ikare, idanre, Ekiti (almost same with ijesas), okun, egba, ijebu, ondo, owo because I have stayed with them. The funny about dialect is that it is only the construction of the sentences and twisting of tongues that differs. the words are 70% similar. e.g sit down may translated to down sit
3.Why do some akoko edos now claim yoruba? although I know of some ilajes that claim itsekiri due to economic reasons but the akoko edos own is different

Politics › Re: Why Do Nairalanders Refers To The Akoko-edos As Yoruba? by vonxe: 5:21pm On Jan 11, 2018

Politics › Re: Why Do Nairalanders Refers To The Akoko-edos As Yoruba? by vonxe: 4:12pm On Jan 11, 2018

GuidoVanRossum:
They are edos because more than 80% of the villages there traced their history to the great Benin empire where Edo has it's origin from.
They are culturally similar to the rest of the Edo nation. They have unification of language and name. (Example is, anywhere you get to in Edo state, the word Ame=water is the same for all irrespective of the language. And there are lots of these kinds of words that I won't mention now.

I'm sorry, I will use Yoruba to elucidate a bit here.
Yoruba is a language
Ekiti has a distinct dialect
Ijebu has a distinct dialect
When an Ijebu man speaks his language in Ilesha, he sure will be totally unintelligible to his host. When an Egun speaks his dialect, an oyo man won't understand come. Despite this, they are under one tribe, Yoruba. So the fact that the person from Ibillo does not understand Ososo doesn't mean they can no longer be regarded as Edos.

Akoko Edos understands one another. There is a defining dialect known as the Okpameri, more than 60% of people from Akoko edo can speak and understand this. Maybe slight differences in the way they pronounce certain words.

To answer this. If you believe okuns from kogi are Yorubas even with a perfectly different language and culture, then, you should know that for this same reason, Akoko-edo are purely Edos.

What are your questions?

To pple reading these let me make some clarifications to prevent distortion
1. Eguns are not Yorubas
2. okuns ( to an extent oworos) does not have any different culture or language it is still a dialect of Yoruba language . I stayed there for 2 yrs
3.if an ijebu man speaks in ilesha, ilesha pple will definitely pick 40% of his words fact! I stayed, for several years, in Ekiti that has similar dialect with ijesas. ijebu language is intelligible to an extent.
4. I am not saying akoko edos are Yorubas but a lot of pple I met who are from there claim they are Yorubas.

without digressing

1. why are they referred to as akokos? when the akokos in ondo are saying they Yorubas, so what is the difference?
2. are there parts of akoko edos that claim they are Yorubas or are there Yorubas in akoko edo?
3. according to you, the remaining 40% who doesn't understand okpameri do they have different languages?
4. how do they communicate to other akoko edos during economic activities? is it true that the lingual franca is Yoruba?

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Politics › Re: Why Do Nairalanders Refers To The Akoko-edos As Yoruba? by vonxe: 2:03pm On Jan 11, 2018*

GuidoVanRossum:
Question you should ask: Are akoko-edo Yorubas? Answer: No
Question: what tribe are akoko edo? Answer: Edo
Question: Is there a tribe known as Edo
Answer: Yes
Question: do they have an homogeneous edo language
Answer: yes and it's gradually being taught in schools
Do the Edos have disparity in dialect? Answer: yes
Does this disparity affect the homogeneity of the Edo people? Answer: sparingly so. Even though Edo is the most homogeneous tribe in Nigeria culturally.

Remember that all other major tribes have different dialect. So, the Edos have their differences and people should not capitalise on those differences to balkanize the Edo nation.

thanks for the intelligent answers although not all were answered I will be grateful if you could give answers to the remaining.
To some of your questions and answers I will make some modifications, don't be offended.

Question you should ask: Are akoko-edo Yorubas? Answer: No
( depends, the word Yoruba was coined in the last millenium that is why other 'tribes' similar to Yoruba will say they are not Yorubas)
Question: what tribe are akoko edo? Answer: Edo
( how are they edos, why not akokos?)
Question: Is there a tribe known as Edo
Answer: Yes
(I have limited knowledge in this)
Question: do they have an homogeneous edo language
Answer: yes and it's gradually being taught in schools
( I agree)
Do the Edos have disparity in dialect? Answer: yes( dialect and language is different, dialect comes under language. dialect is a subset of language meaning pple with different dialect under thesame language will be, to an extent, mutually intelligible to each other. how does these apply to akoko edos?)

Does this disparity affect the homogeneity of the Edo people? Answer: sparingly so (sparingly so?!!! when akoko edos cannot even hear each other).

Even though Edo is the most homogeneous tribe in Nigeria culturally.( maybe Edo, but convince me that akoko edos are Edos )

now answer mine

vonxe:
1.
2. they both serve almost the same gods
3. they inter marry a lot
4. in terms of culture some part of edo are almost similar to some part of Yoruba land e.g akoko, owo, ilaje, and slightly Ekiti.
5. some parts of Yoruba land also have slightly different culture
6. some akokos in ondo state don't speak Yoruba but they are generally classified as Yoruba because of ancient history, if I may ask what is the history of the akoko edos?
7. don't you think that might have had effect on your grandfathers/Fathers?
8.I read, you can confirm, that the akoko edos all have different languages, a distance of few kilometers speak different languages (not dialect), how do you inter trade amongst yourselves?
9. do the village illiterates amongst you, akoko edos, believe yorubas are your brothers. Am not talking of few educated in the cities who might have been cheated, fought and possibly developed hatred for the yorubas?
10. lastly, are there villages/towns who believes they are pure yorubas?

check this out:

Born into the family of Eshinavaka of Ufa quarters in Igarra, Akoko-Edo local government area of Edo State, Mr. Segun Ajayi had his primary and secondary education in the north, Army Children School and Air Force Secondary School both in Kaduna where he both distinguished himself in character and learning.
https://www.ireporteronline.com/

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Politics › Re: Why Do Nairalanders Refers To The Akoko-edos As Yoruba? by vonxe: 10:11am On Jan 11, 2018

historyworld031:
Why do you keep talking as if you were an insider. How can you, a non Edo claim that EDO are giving yoruba names to their children ?
Did Edo give yoruba names to the Bight of Benin ?
Did Edo give yoruba names to the Benin River ?
Did Edo give yoruba name to Omo n'Oba n'Edo ?
I am speaking as an Edo, where in hell are you yorubas getting all these stupid rumours which you keep throwing at our faces ?
If you want to learn about us then ask us questions ! must you guys be so dumb ?

1.yes, a lot of edo pple bear Yoruba names
2. they both serve almost the same gods
3. they inter marry a lot
4. in terms of culture some part of edo are almost similar to some part of Yoruba land e.g akoko, owo, ilaje, and slightly Ekiti.
5. some parts of Yoruba land also have slightly different culture
6. some akokos in ondo state don't speak Yoruba but they are generally classified as Yoruba because of ancient history, if I may ask what is the history of the akoko edos?
7. I read from history, you can confirm, that Yoruba language was made compulsory in edo schools until ogbemudia stopped it, don't you think that might have had effect on your grandfathers/Fathers?
8.I read, you can confirm, that the akoko edos all have different languages, a distance of few kilometers speak different languages (not dialect), how do you inter trade amongst yourselves?
9. do the village illiterates amongst you, akoko edos, believe yorubas are your brothers. Am not talking of few educated in the cities who might have been cheated, fought and possibly developed hatred for the yorubas?
10. lastly, are there villages/towns who believed they are pure yorubas?

IMO ihatepork is just being brutal and harsh with the truth.
ihatepork pls this is for you
1.Do itsekiri consider themselves as yorubas -- No
2. Do they speak a part of Yoruba dialect -- yes
2. Do they recognize yorubas as their brothers having the same ancient history -- yes
3.Do itsekiri have the same culture as yorubas -- No
4. The point am making is that akoko edos are free to decide what they want.

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Politics › Re: Pictures From South-West Youth Summit In Osogbo, Osun State by vonxe: 9:57pm On Jan 10, 2018

nice move
If any of the organizers is here on nairaland, I am suggesting this kind of program should be held semi-annually across the six states comprising the southwest.

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Politics › Re: Gov. Aregbesola's Massive Transformation Of The State Of Osun. PICS. by vonxe: 9:45am On Jan 09, 2018

@ deomelllo
I hope constructive criticism is allowed? am not from osun neither do I belong to any political party(trust me)
I have followed your thread since it was created and I have viewed every pictures to bits

is there any ongoing project in the health sector?
how about water projects in rural areas? apart from ilesa
Development to any area should also come with policies, what developmental policies has aregbe govt laid down?
I have read about agricultural revolution in osun state: training of individuals; private investment etc. which I believe are for the educated and middle class osun citizenry, how about equipping extension officers, provision of fertilizers , seedlings and modern agricultural equipment and other aid to help poor, uneducated and rural farmers?
The modern schools are in major towns, what is the level, in terms of quality, of educational infrastructure in the rural areas? How is cheap and quality education available in rural areas?
what about rural electrification projects?

the questions I asked is not in any way trying to rubbish his efforts, in fact he is the best governor in terms of provisions of infrastructure.

fayemi of Ekiti state did a lot for rural areas.

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Politics › Re: Amosun And The Burden Of Non Indigenes In Ogun State - By Dr Chris Orie by vonxe: 10:50pm On Dec 26, 2017

guys!!! calm down.
The guy is right about one thing, 60% of the IGR are from foreigners e.g multinationals, Dangote, and several indigenous companies also owned by yorubas from other states.
As for 40% of inhabitants being foreigners it is a no no

Politics › Re: Ibadan Pictures & Development, The Fastest growing and Largest City in Nigeria by vonxe: 3:41pm On Nov 22, 2017

there are new companies along Lagos Ibadan express way

Culture › Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by vonxe: 3:25pm On Nov 22, 2017

All these talk of Benin ancestor are indigenous to Lagos is a ploy by the Yoruba's to woo edo state in case of restructuring or Nigeria breakup. All the public display of Yoruba Edo marriages is part of the ploy

Agriculture › Re: Drip Irrigation For Vegies ACRE and HECTARE Kit... Talk to us by vonxe: 1:23am On Sep 22, 2017

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Thanks

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as an irrigation expert how much quantity of water averagely needed daily for watermelon at its peak of water consumption?

Politics › Re: Yorubas Are The Most Industrious,Richest & Educated Tribe in Nigeria & Africa by vonxe: 5:26pm On Aug 20, 2017

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Tottenham Hotspur Vs Chelsea (1 - 2) On 20th August 2017 by vonxe: 3:37pm On Aug 20, 2017

pls can someone furnish me with the link to stream the match. plssssss huh

Politics › Re: Yorubas Are The Most Industrious,Richest & Educated Tribe in Nigeria & Africa by vonxe: 12:31pm On Aug 20, 2017

deomello:
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Lola Masha

COUNTRY MANAGER, OLX NIGERIA

Laudate, she never marry ooo. How far? make i do alarina? grin

Politics › Re: Yorubas Are The Most Industrious,Richest & Educated Tribe in Nigeria & Africa by vonxe: 12:24pm On Aug 20, 2017

laudate:
Sam and Sara have already been profiled on page 47. Delta Afrik is very much alive and kicking. They opened a new massive head office complex in Lekki area of Lagos, just 2 years ago. It is actually a subsidiary of a foreign firm. The MD of the Nigerian arm is Akin Odumakinde.

Update: Sorry, just got more info. Delta Afrik was actually set up by a Yoruba man, Akin Odumakinde. They now have offices in other African countries as well as about 5 other subsidiaries. One of their firms is actually a partnership, with a foreign firm called Worley Parsons. My bad.

Profile?

Politics › Re: Yorubas Are The Most Industrious,Richest & Educated Tribe in Nigeria & Africa by vonxe: 12:26am On Aug 20, 2017*

I agree with ModsWillKillNL yorubas do not need to leave nigeria if nigeria is properly restructured. western region was developing at her pace with international relation with other countries. But if not properly restructured then the best option is to pull out. Yoruba nation still have faction amongst them, what makes them united is because they are fighting for a common goal.

Yorubas play politics with a do or die attitude it has affected the mentality of illiterate people. When ijebus were controlling lagos politics in the first republic in other to silence them others came with a stereotype about ijebus, same applied to awolowo-akintola rivalry. When Ekiti was under ondo state controlling almost the ministries because they are well educated another stereotype was created. Ijeshas as business oriented people were doing well others came up with stereotypes to prevent them from dominating. Unfortunately this stereotypes still lingers among the illiterates in yoruba land.

Same politics is being played in Nigeria of today.

If you visit ondo state for example, we have ilajes, akokos, owos, ondo and akure , they have slightly different culture and intonation and the politics there is not easy.

Recent media fights between alake and awujale, ooni and oba of lagos is an indication that the homogeneity created by ajayi crowther is not yet 100%, although nollywood, cultural festivals, institutions, urbanisation effect, bible and quran translation are greatly driving the homogeneity agenda. e.g compare akoko of pre-akugba university to akoko of now, lagos urbanization, religious activities. you will notice the homogeneity. I pray Akeredolu completes the ilaje-lagos bridge

Ilorin's case is simple, visit ilorin and judge if they are not yorubas; university of ilroin, pentecostal christianity, their youths in search of greener pastures to lagos, nollywood and music industry, influx of other yorubas into ilorin has played a major role in shifting their culture slightly to the central yoruba culture.

MarkFemi, you are from akoko edo, how many people from your area believes they are wholly yorubas?

These cracks are not visible now but believe me it will be visible when power tossing comes into the equation.

But with the rate things are going and internet shaping things up give yorubas 40 years from now the homogeneity would have become 90%.

Pls get a book on Yoruba politics, pre,and post colonial era. It is available in OAU library.

Proper restructuring is the best option. Am not a yoruba man but i have stayed and learnt from various group in yoruba kingdom.

Fighting for an independent country is a long term goal not now!

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Politics › Re: Yorubas Are The Most Industrious,Richest & Educated Tribe in Nigeria & Africa by vonxe: 7:32am On Aug 15, 2017

idealogical:
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Odu’a Chairman Visits Ace Estate

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wema bank

Politics › Re: Igbos Most Industrious, Innovative and Richest Tribe In Africa see proof by vonxe: 7:57pm On Aug 14, 2017

Johnandv:
My brother it's enough please are you this wicked , do you want to create depression among yorubas, you know rat poison is very much around the corner dont make them use it, their blood would be in your hands o.

https://www.nairaland.com/3918290/yorubas-most-industriousrichest-educated-tribe

what do you think about this

Politics › Re: Igbos Most Industrious, Innovative and Richest Tribe In Africa see proof by vonxe: 7:57am On Aug 14, 2017

anything that satisfy your ego is ok, but the fact remains fact

Politics › Re: Yorubas Are The Most Industrious,Richest & Educated Tribe in Nigeria & Africa by vonxe: 6:21pm On Aug 13, 2017

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Australians
am impressed with Nigerians especially the omoluabis

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Politics › Re: Yorubas Are The Most Industrious,Richest & Educated Tribe in Nigeria & Africa by vonxe: 6:42am On Aug 12, 2017

MasterChen:
Sim Shagaya's full first name is Simdul. I don't think that's a Yoruba name and I have no idea what Shagaya means in Yoruba

pardon me regarding deloitte

i stayed in ilorin for a few yrs there is a large shagaya Family there. I also read about his dating site ' alarena ' which can be mistaken for 'alarina' meaning matchmaker in yoruba language. These gave me wrong impression about him being yoruba

Politics › Re: Yorubas Are The Most Industrious,Richest & Educated Tribe in Nigeria & Africa by vonxe: 5:59am On Aug 12, 2017

MasterChen:
Deloitte and Konga are not Yoruba-owned

MasterChen:
Deloitte and Konga are not Yoruba-owned

i always thought akintola williams founded deloitte and sim shagaya owns konga

Politics › Re: Yorubas Are The Most Industrious,Richest & Educated Tribe in Nigeria & Africa by vonxe: 11:20pm On Aug 11, 2017

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Politics › Re: Yorubas Are The Most Industrious,Richest & Educated Tribe in Nigeria & Africa by vonxe: 10:43pm On Aug 11, 2017

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Politics › Re: Yorubas Are The Most Industrious,Richest & Educated Tribe in Nigeria & Africa by vonxe: 10:04pm On Aug 11, 2017

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Politics › Re: Igbos Most Industrious, Innovative and Richest Tribe In Africa see proof by vonxe: 6:11pm On Aug 11, 2017

prodigy24:
There many of them ,either they don't have websites or they are seo weak.
Super master is a branch of Anamike Nigeria Ltd.

No bro!
supermaster, polystar are not igbo owned but igbo owns the franchise in Nigeria. They are chinese and korean product meant for developing/third world countries

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Politics › Re: Yorubas Are The Most Industrious,Richest & Educated Tribe in Nigeria & Africa by vonxe: 2:26pm On Aug 11, 2017

vonxe:
Hi All,
I am suggesting we leave the posting of great and industrious omoluabis to the ffg pple:
kn23h
deomelo
laudate
hilroy

This will make this thread more organised and devoid of repetition.
if anyone has somebody in mind, just type "profile ..... so so and so" state name of company, the person' name and sector of the economy.

my 2 cent

'
profile sam and sara

confirm if delta afrik is owned by an omoluabi, a colleague did his IT there in 2009. Also confirm if it is still up and kicking

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Politics › Re: Hausa/fulani The Richest And The Best Tribe In Nigeria by vonxe: 12:38pm On Aug 11, 2017

the richest man in africa is an hausa/fulani

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Politics › Re: Yorubas Are The Most Industrious,Richest & Educated Tribe in Nigeria & Africa by vonxe: 11:49am On Aug 11, 2017

Hi All,
I am suggesting we leave the posting of great and industrious omoluabis to the ffg pple:
kn23h
deomelo
laudate
hilroy

This will make this thread more organised and devoid of repetition.
if anyone has somebody in mind, just type "profile ..... so so and so" state name of company, the person' name and sector of the economy.

my 2 cent

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