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You assume too much, time to substitute some of that with thinking.
All men descended from Adam

Weah96:
Even you don't believe that thing. Don't you know that the truth is better than pretense?

Negro,
I thought this was some silly joke.
Does. Your church use electricity? Is electricity Biblical?

Abeg go easy on stereotyping

masterpower:
So Yorubas are good liars or edited liars.
No wonder Tinubu, Fashola, Liar mohamed, saraki and others from yoruba are very good at lies.

That was a tad insensitive but let's stick to the topic; this negro is a charlatan. Watch the video

Darkly:
wooow! I'm not Yoruba but watch what you say!!!! how can you take the actions of a few men and attribute them to a whole tribe? people like you are the reason we have a divided nation and tribal wars!!!!! why do people like you even exist??

What makes you THINK that way?
Study. Your scriptures, study genealogies sir

johnydon22:
hahahaha Adam's kids are one city? ewoooo

i thought only cain and abel where born then... abi adam don born like 100 before cain killed abel? chai all this lies u are sharing.. diariz god oooo

Summarize all you have said in one sentence

Temivp:
hmmmm.mm
this beyond our ability to Interpret
calm yourself down..remember Bible was not written by one person ...saying that Christ Jesus was made mentioned abi address as son of man or son of God..I quote from Luke chapter 1 says that an angel appeared to Mary and proceed with his word saying she shall conceive and her son shall be call son of God Jesus...in genesis God created every things on ealth true the proclamation of his word..created light and Jesus says that I am the light whosoever that follows me shall not work In darkness... the light God created from the beginning and is at peace joy happy that is beutiful he later comes to us as human nature ...
let's not be carried away ooo keep the truth real nd alive

Adam's kids.
Go figure how old Adam was when Seth was born

johnydon22:
If all men descended from adam and eve, now remind me again.. Who those people that cain met, who helped him a build a city

He is a professional video editor. negro has excelled in that

One thing with charlatans is NOBODY knows what they prophesied UNTIL AFTER the FACT

Did you know he lied that #MH370 would be found within a week? It's been a year now bro

https://www.nairaland.com/2186370/tb-joshuas-epic-fail-mh370

klimson:
Sometimes when a fool keeps quiet, he may be thought to be wise. But in your case, you must open your mouth so wide and display your foolishness. I pity you.

Why has this charlatan resisted appearing before the committee, and has instead resorted to all legal gymnastics and delay tactics to avoid showing up?

1 year ago today, Malaysian airlines flight MH370 disappeared. To date, it has not been found and nobody has any idea what happened to it. Immediately after the disappearance, SCOAN released an (edited) video claiming TB Joshua predicted it (in reality he predicted a crash at the end of a runway, but a bit of editing sorted that out). For a couple of weeks after, TB Joshua was chasing the news stories, dressing up new developments or speculation as “prophecies”.

On March 15th, 2014 he claimed that the missing airliner was just about to be found. You can listen to his words at the beginning of the video below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MeKy9g0Pyg



Source
https://tbjoshuawatch.

WAke me up when Nollywood bags an Oscar, throw in such a silly post for a good measure

You need deliverance from vagueness and cluelessness

plaetton:
You have exposed your moral and intellectual paucity enough already on this forum.
You don't need any further help from me.

Wrong again bro, they are earning they pay just like you....that's not charity but they right

plaetton:
.. Living extravagant on charity.
That is the point that all these apologists deliberately sidestep.

It is mighty dumb to DEMAND that a minister needs Economics 101 lessons before settling on a ride.
What else do they need, Gini index? Funny and petty negro

plaetton:
If you don't know the standards under which the far majority of Nigerians live today, well, that tells us all we need to know about you, and confirms and justifies calling you and your type Brood Of Vipers.

And Btw, standards of living indices such as per capita income, infant mortality rate, unemployment rate, available of affordable health care, etc, were taught in primary and secondary schools, if only you had paid attention.
I fully grasped the concept in my primary school days.

Asking me to show you what standards with which the extravagant lifestyle of a bling bling Nigerian pastor should be measured clearly betrays not only your moral deficits, but your academic and intellectual deficits as well.

Why should he be 'average'? Is 'average' to you the opposite of materialism?
This is way out of your depth bro, to you materialism='wealth'

AllNaijaBlogger:
The average middle class Nigerian drives a car of 1.5-3.5 million. Upper middle class is from 3-10 million.

It is only those who have been hammering for long that drive cars of 10m and above. A young bank manager can't even buy a 10m car when that is his salary for 1.5 years.



Working for God is a sacrifice. Jesus told those who wanted to follow him that the son of man has no place to rest his head.

You can't be a servant of materialism and God. You must pick one. The three most popular figures in the new testament were not rich or materialistic. John the Baptist lived in the wilderness. Jesus went around preaching and healing (he didn't have time to settle and build monuments for himself). Paul went around preaching and writing letters. These people didn't build multi million dollar empires. They served the common man.

Tell us what the 'Average Living standards of his community' are, and what 'American salary' is. How much in $ terms?

See ,you have no standard save in flapping gum here. Good for nothing critic, criticizing for the sake of criticizing. Shallow negroes!

plaetton:
Yes.
A full time pastor should be paid a wage comnensurate with the Average Living standards of his community.
This is the important point here.

We cannot pay an American salary and perks to a Nigerian pastor who is pastoring to poor, often hungry, often homeless, mostly unemployed and struggling people in Nigeria.
Such is the highest form of immorality.
Don't you wicked people ever get it?

Another basket mouth rant. How shameless!
I don't care if you worship your toes, stick to the topic

plaetton:
I am not a pastor, you brood of vipers.
I am not asking anyone to give me their sweath and money because a supposedly omni omni skyfairy needs money to pay mortgage on the universe.

Even in my modest resources and means, I find greater joy, satisfaction and a sense of self-fullfillment giving and sharing with my community, rather than taking from them.
And who (between you and I) is the follower of Jesus here ?

Shame on all of you moral schizophreniacs.

Don't get worked up because am calling out your BS. The 'standards' exist in your mind and you are trying to impose them on everyone

plaetton:
The standards are there. You just refuse to see it.
Should I do you the favour by pointing them out to you, or , would you rather exercise your mind and think for a fleeting second?

Seems like even among you Skeptics you can't agree on how he should roll. He would be eternally confused if he looked up to you

Weah96:
Personally, I don't care for materials. Money, yes, but not materials. Preachers should emulate Jesus who never indulged in the luxuries of planet earth.

If you must succumb to materialism, then moderation should be the key. A Range Rover is materialistic. It's marketed as a luxury SUV.

PastorKun,
The problem is 'flamboyant lifestyle' is as subjective as fingerprints. And let me put this question to you; should a pastor be paid for their pastoral duties?

PastorKun:
Olodo, the issue here is about a pastor using church resources to live a flamboyant life style. If the money used came from the pastors work or business outside the church, nobody would raise an eyebrow.

There has never been any point in arguing with deluded Negroes who imagine they be Benjamites like Paul

MrPresident1:
There really is no point arguing with you shdemidemi aka vooks. You and your kind, brood of vermins, enforcers of my peoples' slavery will find your just recompense in due time: This is according to the promise of The Most High God.

Hey,
A wise man said that a fool is regarded as wise if he shut up.
You have no rule nor standard for extravagance but readily crucify another man's standards

plaetton:
Hey, a wise man once said "blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit.......,

The same wise man also said" it is easier for a came to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven ".

Of course, this wise man was not condenming wealth entirely, but was merely warning his followers (which I assume you and your pastors are) that an attachment to worldly riches and comfort were impediments to spiritual growth and salvation.

This the message that seem to have gotten lost by you new brood of vipers and haenas.

You are not helping. So he should restrict himself to between 3M-10M for anything above that is extravagance? Whose standards are those? Yours of course

AllNaijaBlogger:
A range rover is a waste of money. It is a luxury car that is difficult to maintain in Nigeria. It is not even as good as Toyota landcruiser on many offroad trails.


There are even luxury cars from 3 miliion to 10 million. The only people that should be driving such cars are people who made the money from their own sweat (through secular means). Using people's tithes and donations is not hard work.

If even the car is donated to the church, it should be sold and the proceeds used for better things.

Who/what should he consult in determining what's too much?
Are not conflating poverty with righteousness?

I may not necessarily ride the Range, but I would be hesitant to invent my own 'acceptable' standard of living and imagine that those who don't subscribe to it are extravagant

Weah96:
Ford Explorer. Chevy Tahoe. Camry. Accord. Forerunner. All $30K less. Brand new with plastic. That's luxury. [b]The Range is too much [/b]for his message of piety.

Scriptures abound.
Repeat, what ride should he spin?

plaetton:
Thank you for admitting that you do not understand the teachings of Jesus.
And where are the scriptures to prove?
And Btw, is christianity about teachings Jesus or scriptures?

You don't make much/any sense.
After Pentecost, so many were selling their properties. Had they disposed them after following Christ, they would have nothing to dispose
Or you imagine that only new-believers were selling?

Just tell me what car the minister should spin that does not pass the 'criminal' threshold

MrPresident1:
Philippians 4:5
Let your moderation be known unto all men.

In a country where it is said that more then 50% of the population live on less than 2 Dollars per day, it is criminal for a pastor, acclaimed man of God to own a car worth 10million Naira. Jesus told the rich young man to go and sell off all his goods, then take up his cross and follow him, applied to today's circumstances, is this kind of pastor fully surrendered to Jesus?

Mathew 7:15,23
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

A pastor making a living off the gospel is scriptural
The problem is deciding what 'average lifestyle' is. What car should he drive in your opinion?

plaetton:
You still to understand what this topic seeks to address.
Pls name any of our known preachers who were wealthy well before they became preachers.
And if you can show any, then also tell us whether they are wealthier or poorer.

Pls be honest for once and admit that pastoship is a get-rich-quick rachet similar to 419, but without the legal hassles.

There is guaranteed disappointment whenever 'prophecy students' attempt to place dates and years on prophecies or even relating them with contemporary events.

This is exactly what Jonathan Cahn is doing and evangelicals are cheering him on. Look at his Harbinger book. Looks like another pathetic attempt to make a dime off the gullible or a terminal case of acute ignorance.

Cc Winsomex,Shdemidemi,Bidam,Goshen360, NLMediator

His site
http://www.theharbinger-jonathancahn.com


His book
https://www.theharbinger-jonathancahn.com/Images/TheHarbinger_BOOKandDVD2.jpg
ePub
https://www.dropbox.com/s/799e769fuzryqa6/the%20harbinger%20-%20jonathan%20cahn.epub?dl=0

Pdf
https://www.dropbox.com/s/r44y30juln9tzuv/the%20harbinger%20-%20jonathan%20cahn.pdf?dl=0

Ifeann,
What's the big deal with learning Islam? Dogs are trained in English and a man is terrified of his wife learning English?
Was Psycho a Muslim?

DO it

Empiree:
And....