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temi4fash:
@analice

Thanks for E spiritual brotherly hugs.. I really appreciate...

@ vooks

God bless you for those note.. but I would love to ask a question about the part where tongues are not supposed to go un-interpreted. What happens in a service whee a minister is on the pulpit praying and casting out demons in tongues. What happens in that kibd of scenario

Hi temi4fash,
Let me first begin by saying that the gift of tongues has within it diverse manifestations; you can pray in tongues, sing in tongues,prophesy in tongues and so forth. I have also heard of ministers who have preached in tongues!

1 Corinthians 14:15-17 (KJV)
What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. 16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest? 17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
From this verse alone we see
1. Prayer
2. Sing
3. Thanksgiving
All in tongues.

Paul was categorical that uninterpteted tongues had no place in public worship. The reasons for this are, first it causes disharmony seeing you can't understand each other, and secondly, it only benefits/edifies the Gifted whereas all should be edified.
1 Corinthians 14:18-19 (KJV)
I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: 19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

1 Corithians 14:27-28 (KJV)
If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. 28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

In other words, if whatever you are manifesting is not understood by all, keep it to yourself.
Many ministers flout this and I have heard elaborate arguments about why such clear instructions are not so. The commonest is that only one type of tongues should never be used publicly if uninterpteted. They then go on and claim that this particular type is the prophetic, where the tongue speaker receives a word for the people in tongues and nobody can interpret. I insist this is hard to find in scriptures

There are only tongues or the gift of tongues, and I believe this rule that Paul's principle is that of communication. If you can't communicate to fellow brethren and unbelievers in tongues, please keep it to yourself. But as a Pentecostal( one who believes in spiritual gifts) for a while, I find this argument weak or baseless and it is just an attempt to explain away why you don't follow some scriptures.

As I said, this culture is so ingrained in us that some believers literally think you are demon possessed for believing it.

What can you do?
A few options you may explore;
1. Leave that fellowship
2. Ignore it
3. Raise it with the pastor or somebody close to him.

I'd discourage you from leaving church merely on the back of such a doctrine. I'd also discourage you from ignoring it. The third option is the best. But don't be aggressive because the pastor may take offense.

ngobaby23:
I saying this cos I believe I'd get my deliverance or steps to my deliverance here. My second story which I want to share here cos I'm ashamed to share it to people. I had my first sexual play or encounter at the age of four with a boy my age. I don't know how we learnt it but we just found ourselves doing that. from that day onward, I had this insatiable desire to satisfy myself sexually. I masturbated without understanding what I was doing. As a little girl, I was born in a Christian home but I couldn't understand why I was doing this. Sometimes I stopped and continued. Now I'm 23 and I've not stopped. Sometimes I experience victory, sometimes I fail. At 23 guys don't really ask me out. Each relationship I enter, guys leave me. Sometimes, I see myself in the dream kissing a man, sometimes, I get raped in my dream, one dream I had I saw a man that claimed to be my husband, I was even wearing his ring and I was so surprised in my dream that I didn't know I was married, masquerade s flog me in the dream, dogs bite me, snakes bite . me, in fact scary animals, people shoot me in the dream. Sometimes I make out with my fellow girls in the dream without me being a lesbian real life. In real life I experience delays, mockery and failure. Most times I pray to God, read my bible, sometimes I masturbate even after praying that is how strong it is. Just as if a voice speaks to me and gives me instructions then I start masturbation sometimes, my body moves like a snake without my control I can't explain, sometimes my body moves like some one having sex in the physical and I get satisfied and I feel like an unseen being is having sex with me. I'm ashamed as I'm writing this. I've not spoken to anyone about this but I strongly believe that I'd get divine help.

My sister, our dearest sister Anas09/analice107 is best placed to offer you counsel on how to go about sexual purity as a young lady. But what I can say is, it is definitely not the will of God that we engage in activities in our dreams that are sinful. God regards homosexuality as depravity so why would you go about it in the sleep? There is Balm in Gilead and you will be freed of this in Jesus name.

Secondly, don't be ashamed. I know some things are just embarrassing but we are all here to stand with one another. If there are some things you wish to share privately, you can exchange emails with her.

I vouch for her because I have 'seen' her faith, her testimony and I trust her counsel on this.

Finally, the most important thing about forsaking sin is hating it. There is very little incentive to depart from something you don't find abhorrent. So I trust you are halfway there since you have demonstrated your desire to depart from these things.

Please hang on and try and go through the entire thread. I know it will take days to do that but there are some gems here that you definitely need in your walk of faith.

Stay blessed beloved sister

I will mention something on the gift of tongues;

1. Tongues simply means languages

2. In NT the term when referring to spiritual gifts as per Acts and 1 Corinthians means a supernatural ability to communicate or vocalize in an unlearned language

3. Tongues of angels therefore means languages of angels. The phrase is found in
1 Corinthians 13:1 (KJV)
Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

4. I can't find scriptural support for claiming that one tongue is superior to the other

5. I agree with Anas09 that there are fake tongues. Fake in that the speaker fakes it deliberately or they are genuine but inspired by anything but the Holy Spirit.

6. One of the most ignored portion of scripture is where Paul forbids uninterpteted tongues from public worship. 1 Cor 13-14

7. The word gibberish when used with regard to tongues is usually in a demeaning fashion. Please remember that ANY language that you can't understand sounds gibberish. If you don't believe it, try and listen to Chinese arguing in Mandarin. This means we should not be quick to adjudge tongues as fake simply because they don't sound like a language.

8. For tongue speakers, please follow Paul's counsel and pray for interpretation. Although praying in tongues is beneficial as it edifies you, it has a better use when interpreted. Many of us Pentecostals simply settle for the gift. We are so focused on the gift that we never bother to move beyond it to interpretation.

9. Paul equates interpreted tongues to prophecy. It could be that if you understood the very things you are saying in tongues, you would find solution to your prayers! Or they could amplify your understanding of scriptures for after all you are speaking mysteries.

10. There is a controversy over whether ALL believers should speak in tongues or not. I believe given the immense value of the gift especially to prayerlife , it should be pursued by all. But it is wrong to look down on anybody who does not speak in tongues.

11. Operating in spiritual gifts is not a measure of spiritual maturity. The Gifted therefore should watch out against pride. First, it is a gift, and secondly, from scriptures, new born babes received the gifts right in their spiritual infancy.

12. Finally, all who have been gifted in tongues do quench the Spirit when they fail to exercise the gift by say praying and interceding for others

The idea that demons can't hear tongues so tongues are 'safer' I find it odd. The reason is first, demons were angels at some point so they would understand the tongues of angels. Secondly, the tongue you speak in may be just another language from the nethermost corner of the earth, and I think demons are multilingual. Thirdly,there are many prayers recorded in the scriptures and the fact that they are recorded implies they were prayed in a language that could be understood. Demons don't hinder prayers because they understand what you prayed is my point. It is mostly through preying on our weaknesses, our carnality, flesh, sins and so forth. I also believe one can pray in a natural language and demons would not hear a thing even if they are right there. The reason being that God can make them dumb if that is necessary




Selah!



PS
I avoided quoting many scriptures for brevity sake but I can stand by every point I have made and demonstrate the same from scriptures

TB Joshua killed 116 and he is still breathing

Danki:
My queston is; should I start ignoring my dreams henceforth knowing that I pay heavily anytime I do?.

Danki:
I've moved on with my life but a dream keep repeating itself without conclusion. I came here to know why and everybody is telling me I love the girl, I'm lusting after her, I'm not born again. All out of point of what my plight is.
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Danki:
I know that dreams can be manipulated but mine cannot!

Danki:
I hardly listen to pastors and prophets on crucial issues because to the best of my knowledge; my dreams are more accurate and straight to the point.
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Danki,
It is quite hard to reply to you because at times you sound contradictory.
For one you have magnified your dreams above any mortal, pastor, prophet or members here. This means whatever counsel you receive here that contradicts your interpretation of your dreams, you are going to trash it. So why are you asking anybody here what you should do is beyond me. You'll follow your dreams which you have figured can't be from nobody else apart from Holy Spirit. Yet here you are asking for counsel

So, should you start ignoring your dreams?
Seems like your authority is derived from dreams and NOTHING ELSE. Here is my advice;
Try and dream about whether you should start ignoring them or not. The problem is, will you ignore this dream directing you to ignore or not ignore other dreams?

KingEbukasBlog:
Had problems understanding what it means . Does this mean that your belief and faith alone in Christ qualify you to be part of the rapturable saints ? Christians who promote the concept of partial rapture believe that only faithful Christians will be taken on that day while the unfaithful ones will be left behind to suffer tribulation . Im now befuddled , is the 'full rapture' a heretical concept ?

Any help ?

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There is nothing such as a partial rapture, either you are Christ's or not

KingEbukasBlog:
Wow . I missed that . But remember God hates divorce . We are Christians and our lives should please God . The carnal lifestyle is appealing but we forsake the temporary enjoyment and fun because of the glorious future with our Lord Jesus Christ . I think the couple should understand that the should endure and try to love again . Pray and grow spiritually for the love they both have for Christ so they can partake in his kingdom forever and ever .

Sir,
I agree with what you are saying. What I'm saying is it takes 2 in a marriage. If one party is determined to exit,you can't stop them yet after you are divorced, it won't matter who left and who was determined to stay. This is why I'm less judgemental on divorcees. In other words, divorce which God hates is not an individual sin but corporate and as such it is almost unfair to blame divorcees for their predicament.

Having said that, I strongly believe that the success or failure of a union is never entirely a single spouse's efforts; it takes both

KingEbukasBlog:
But romance can still be reignited . What kept them together for 5 , 10 , 15 , 18 years ? A mentally strong and religious couple ought to go back to the drawing board , retrace their steps to ascertain what went wrong . Flimsy excuses are not worth paying attention to

I agree mr King, but you will agree with me that most of what it takes to restore a broken relationship requires BOTH of the spouses? Now imagine you have one who wants in and the other wants out. I don't think divorce is justified, but I'd not be quick to blame one of the spouses for a problem that's well beyond their reach

Busybody2:
Thanks dear Analice. I have been around doing my Father's business




Thanks gentleman Vooks, as always




Hello babe, sorry I know it's been a while. You and Vooks wan take laughter wound me You don craze finish I should have handed over my room keys at yabaleft when I got discharged Awwww shucks!!! If not that Vooks assumed/concluded that you are male (like 100% of the rest Nairalanders), me I was already dreaming and planning wedding venue, cake, etc for both of you

Gboliwe is a lady?
**faints***

Well, she has a lot to share, just that she is shy

Annunaki:
Coward! I challenge you to debunk the neplim story.

M0ron, you are digressing. Give me evidence of microbes on meteors.

Gombs:
@nynbrada

You said "there's Poverty is Christ"?

Isn't that an aberration?...

Kindly explain 2 Corinthians 8:9 for me.

If among others Jesus came to exorcise poverty from our midst, then He failed flat because there has never been any appreciable difference in material well being of Christians and non-Christians since Pentecost to date, nowhere....not even in the most rabidly confused believers of this nonsense such as CEC

NB:
When Jesus said we'd always have the poor amongst us, He was referring to the fact that folks (even Christians) will still wallow in ignorance... Hence their poverty.

Poverty is caused and sustained by ignorance?
No amount of information will ever rid the world and especially Christians of poverty and immunize them from it. Some believers will be poor, others won't, some heathens will be poor, others won't . Poverty is not terminal and men can and have risen above and out of it but there is no past of principles nor faith level that extinguishes poverty 100%....this false certainty is the utopia I'm talking of

Did you read what I wrote about a church Jesus spoke to, He acknowledged their poverty and even said "though you're rich".

What did Jesus mean? Why didn't He change their poverty status.. But told them, they'd suffer more because the devil's after them?

Poor materially, rich spiritually. Laodecia was rich materially, poor spiritually

nynbrada:
It is well.

The reason I said that is so that you may appreciate that I'm at a divorce risk as anybody else and I can't mock those whose marriages have failed

My brother it is higly obtainable.
All depends on your level of faith.
If the word of God has provided for it, then the question is, do you have the faith capacity to appropiate those promises?
Remember God is not a man that he should lie. If he said it then he meant it. And once you are able to reach out to him in faith concerning any of his word that touches on your health and prosperity. He graciously honors you with an answer.

Since you claim that the utopia is a reality, care to show me some objective evidence of the same?
Do Christians live longer, healthier and happier lives over non-Christians?
No amount of faith can wipe away totally the uncertainty that accompanies being clothed in flesh and blood

There is poverty in Christ, or else Jesus was eggregiously decieved when he said "the poor you shall always with you"
As result, by default, we will always have the poor in the Church.

Not just because Jesus said so, but because it is a fact of life

Who said there is no divorce in Christ?
Wherever did you get that teaching from? If it is from pastor Chris then he is wrong, as that would be very unscriptural for him to teach.And if you share same thougth, then you are wrong as well, i'll counsel you study your Bible properly on that issue.

Well, God hates divorce, so one would think he would cushion his servants from the vagaries of divorce. But lo and behold, He does not!
How much more sicknesses which He has nowhere indicated that He hates!

Thats your own personal conclusion and judgement. What if in the eyes of God the opposite happens to be the case.
Assuming he did everything possible to sustain the marraige, but the partner just refused.


Really? Is that how you think?
Like i said earlier, lets assume that one of the party did everything humanly possible to have the marriage salvaged, but the other would have non of that. Would you still insist on your position.

Because we would still blame God for giving his servant a woman hell bent on doing what He hates!
Either way, divorce is an indictment against this utopia

And to say it takes two to build and destroy a marriage, is highly axiomatic and may not necessary be truth.
Yes i agree that to build a marraige you must have the cooperation of both parties.
But to destroy one, all you need is for the other partner to decline rendering
him or herself usefull to the positive cause of that relationship.

True one can destroy the other, just as germs can get to your body and wreck God's perfection!
Question is, why does God let it happen to His servants?
If we blame humans for letting themselves sick and remaining sick, why can't we blame Oyakhilome for letting his marriage break?

Pheeeww!!
My bro. I never did that. Go and reread my post with an open mind.
Yes i said pastor Chris did't sue for the divorce, but i can still remember i also said that rev. Anita also have a right to her decision.
And the only thing i know i condenmed was her taking the issue to court, that is unscriptural.

One can cast away stubborn demons which want the exact opposite of what you want, what's the big deal with commanding the marriage to be healed inJesus' name?

Mind you i have a little knowledge of the history of their divorce. And through out the whole saga, i never picthed my tent with any party,....finally i also believe there might be ligth at the end of the tunnel on this issue.

And you need not have followed it for long nor sided with either, divorce is an indictment against the certainty and control Word of Faith purveyors pretend to have over circumstances

I beg to differ here. The problem with you here is that you are exalting your personal experience and those you are seeing around above the word of God.

That's the popular rejoinder every time you run into reality. Is it possible what you call 'word of God' is nothing than wishful thinking on your part?
It's well proven that people believe whatever they have purposed to believe. We all wish for long life, happiness, health......so naturally, we will overwork our imagination seeing these in the scriptures

My brother just so you know, i cannot die, it is impossican't! not until i have finished the work of ministry that the Lord has bestowed upon me.

I cannot die suddenly, nor by accident in whatever way or form, neithere by sickness.

Great claims or professions.
Peter vowed he would die with Christ.....Jesus instead prayed that his faith would withstand. I pray to live longer, I can't claim I will. In any case, how can I tell that you will not die suddenly or by sickness? Wait till you die so I come back and check against what you said?

I notice you include a clever way out of sudden death; your assignment. So those who die suddenly or by sickness are either ignorant of some truth or their assignment is finished!

You die suddenly and there is a ready excuse, you die anyway other than suddenly and you still have an excuse. Either way your claims can't be disproved!

My bro, i have not said one may not fall sick ooo!, but to think i'll now fall to drug for my healing? Taaaar! forget am.

Bro you must know that your own level of faith or those you see around shouldn't be used as a parameter to judge everybody. Faith is personal.

Very true. But faith does not ride present life of ALL uncertainties contrary to the wild claims of WOFers and PF purveyors.

Here it is not your own faith that is being called into question.


Not true. Go and read about Smith Wigglesworth.

I have read him. He was neither a WOFer nor a PG purveyor. WOFers and PGers succumb to the very things they spent their lives denying. The roots of WOF and PG are not Wigglesworth but New Thought movement

nynbrada:
My brother in the Lord, don't be swayed by the claims of this woman.

There are no claims there, at least as far as I can see, just observations of this PG phenomena and its absurdities

If you follow her write-up carefully, you will understand that she is just exalting her own personal experience over the word of God.

As she has failed to draw from the scriptures to back up her claims. The word of God is our final authority and we have an avalanche of scripture to fall back on. For our healing and prosperity.

No she is not exalting her experiences. She is raising an oft-ignored aspect of our faith;we don't ALWAYS have our way regardless of our piety,devotion, righteousness and so forth.....contrary to the marketed claims of PG

The only place i do not agree is when preachers or Christians start saying stuff like we cannot be sick, then be sure i will not agree on this position.
The fact is so long we are encased in this body of flesh, then sickness is inevitable.

But as children of God it is now our responsibility to by faith draw upon God's word and ensure our health is restored.

Her point is, there are no such guarantees, no formulas that work 100% of the times. The only guarantee in Christ is eternal life. Otherwise, it is very insulting blaming the sick and the dying for FAILURE to execute some particular principle.

Also know that from her claims she researched into the history of faith healing and prosperity. And as result was priviledged to met and work with those pioneer of faith.
But the question now is for the fact that she met and worked with this people:

1. Is association with them a guaranty for divine health and prosperity? Ans: NO.

2. Did she have a personal one on one encounter with God, that was built on personal revelatory knowledge of God's word concerning healing and prosperity? Ans: NO.

My brother her case is like that of many today that strive so much to be closer to men of God than God himself.

The WOF and PG phenomena is what she studied...its historicity. She was not looking for healing nor personal relationships with these, she is an academic. From the study, she came up with nuggets such as the association of the movement with the late 19th century NewThought wave. Ever wondered how something lies dormant for 18 centuries of Christianity and the suddenly becomes a fad?

Read her dissertation with an open mind, criticize later. Criticizing something you've never read is ignorance

Moreso, the claim that the prosperity and faith healing message started from E.W Kenyon under a metaphysical influence is a lie from the pit of hell.
It is devilish attempt calculated to bring these glorious message from the Spirit of God to the Church to ridicule and demonize it.

My bro, don't be decieved by this deciet from the pit of hell.
Go do your own simple research
on it by reading books from great men of God some two centuries ago and upward and see if they preached alongs this line in their own level of revelation then.

It is no lie, she has proof...objective proof for each of her claims. I love facts

The only thing that has happened is progression in revelation.

Get books by Charlse .G. Finney and Smith Wigglesworth and see what they have to say about divine health and prosperity.

Thanks and do take care my brother.

I have read these books by these. Healing did not start with the New Thought.....New thought simply got married into Christianity. Please read her books.

How come the same cliches we hear thrown around like 'I am an overcomer' were also used in this movement? Somebody copied the other

Annunaki:
You can as well debunk the nephlim story in the bible as well since you are arrogant enough to know the limitations of God's creation.

There are no microbes on no meteorite...stop digressing

analice107:
Wait!! Is it that the wife won't forgive or you can't live with her again after what you did?
I don't understand this. If it's someone else in this position, we will pull up scriptures and preach them into forgiving, but when it comes to us, we just do the opposite.
If Jesus is our Lord, do we have the right to just get up and do as we pls? Will this action pls God?
My concern is that, this reckless American behavior is finding itself into our churches in Africa.
Jesus forgives no matter what, but we can't why?
I can't leave my marriage because my husband slept with another woman.
for what? Wash your body come back house. We go handle am inside house.

Powerful dearest,
But something about marriage, it has two parties and they may not share the same zeal and determination to hang on together.

Annunaki:
I don't have time to school any stubborn student, google is your friend if you want to know about microbes found in meteorites.

I don't have to school you on how each and every claim of microbes on meteorites has been debunked , Google is your enemy seeing you are married to arrogant ignorance

nynbrada,
You need to understand the roots of prosperity gospel and word of faith movement, and I can't think of any better place to start than Kate Bowler's dissertation. She took 12 years researching into it..

Here
http://dukespace.lib.duke.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/10161/2297/D_Bowler_Catherine_a_201005.pdf?sequence=1

analice107:
Lol @ vooks and Gboliwe.

Hello Anas09,
He is getting blessed just as I am from this thread. How are you doing dearest?

Gboliwe:
Tell me about yourself

You are quite idle

Gboliwe:
I have so many problems. Which are you interested in?

The most pressing

ifenes:
Your knowledge has been damaged already. But you believe Jesus is preparing a mansion somewhere outside the planet for you. I guess that place can sustain life,right? Damaged brain

Neanderthal,
This is where you run to your orphanage because this is adult stuff

Annunaki:
Continue to wallow in your self inflicted delusion, I have nothing to gain from sharing knowledge with you.

You have NOTHING to share in the first place.
There has NEVER been no 'microbial life' on meteors, just wild unverified claims.

Gboliwe:

What's your problem?

The Satanists should apologize for all the lives lost when while they rejected contraceptives

Annunaki:
And where did you get this silly hallucination from Scientists have already confirmed with 100% certainty that microbial life exists outside this planet. This was confirmed from samples of meteorites that landed on earth.

Go slow on psychedelic mushrooms. When and where did they pick microbial life on a meteorite?

It's just a matter of time that more complex life forms are found and the life forms don't have to be carbon based as we have on earth.

Nope, life outside earth is a fantasy dream away

ifenes:
What a mmoron!! even when you worship one of the ufos

Serial buffoon,
There is NOTHING outside earth that can sustain ANY life

nynbrada:
vooks, i think it's high time you stopped taking a jibe at pastor Chris because of the unsavoury turn of event in his marital life.

I'm married and a candidate for divorce btw.

It is a well known fact, that there are no couple that have not had a fair share of its own joy and pains as far as reationship is concerned.

Hence pastor Chris cannot be an exemption. He is human too!

My point is to critique the health-wealth-happiness utopia peddled by Oyakhilome as being at a Christian's reach.
If there is no poverty in Christ, there equally is no divorce in Him. But the peddler of no-poverty-in-Christ has a failed marriage!
Why did it fail, is it some principles he failed to practice or what?

Mind you he did'nt sue for the divorce. The wife did and of course she is entitled to her right.
Though i do not subscribe to the part of taking your spouse to court. That one is unscriptural.

Nonsense, the point remains, both couples are to blame for a failed marriage just as they are responsible for a successful one. So I've no idea why you really have to sink this low and besmirch Anita and paint Oyaks as a saint.

Moreso, don't swallow hook, line and sinker every thing the fift estate had dished out concerning his divorce saga. Trust them to have embellished it with many unfounded and concorted lines.

That said, i know you may bear grudges with Pastor Chris for some of his teachings especially the masturbation stuff, which you may find unscriptural.

Nonetheless i'll counsel you keep an open mind where he is and not get easily worked up when you read or hear some stuff from him that may not align with your theological worldview.

As he might at the end of the day be right while you happen to be wrong or vice versa.

The theory that there is no poverty in Christ is a HERESY and a fantasy that is betrayed by his own life of a failed marriage or he preaches one thing and practices the other

Please get this, pastor Chris is a genuine man of God, though some of his teachings may seem controversial or downright unscriptural.
These does not in anyway negate his status as a man of God. As he has never preached in anyway to point poeple away from Christ or God our father.

He is peddling an illusion that wealth is just some scriptures, faith and principles away. The fact is, poverty like diseases and poor relationships are a fact of life. You will have each of those one way or the other regardless of what principles and faith you possess and practice

At times some of these percieved theological blunders are not deliberately designed to steer the children of God away from the truth but rather they happen to be his own mistakes and fallibility as human.

What i personally do is that i take the ones i'm convinced is scriptural and the other ones i do not deem fit i humbly discard.
That is why i have my Bible and like Paul said of the Berean Christians that "they went and searched the scriptures to see if those things were true"

Very good of you

So for the Op i'll like to know your personal take on it with scriptural position rather than attack the messenger.

God bless.

I'm not attacking the messenger, just illustrating his folly.
Poverty, wealth, health, illness, happiness,sadness are all INEVITABLE as long as we are in this tabernacle. The countless and expensive formulas developed to avoid these end up disappointing many. This is not to mean that we should not attempt to overcome, but rather we should not be escapist. Some Christians are no will die poor regardless of their faith, principles and attempts to escape it. Same with health.

I was discussing with a friend and I asked her why Christians get sick. She said it is in their power to rise above any sickness and to be disease free and they only fall sick because they allow themselves to. This thinking has no empirical proof nor scriptural basis. This is fantasy thinking. Sometimes it takes nothing but death to rouse these daydreamers out of their fantasies. That moment when you have to resort to medicine, or bury a faithful believer who firmly believed they would be healed is the turning point. Little wonder all the most rabid Word of Faith purveyors succumb to sicknesses. Their medicine somewhat does not work on them

Annunaki:
You must be smoking some very cheap drugs if you believe scientists have identified all the planets that exist talkless of having enough data to determine that the earth is unique. Besides what makes you think a planet must be like earth before it can sustain life.

Because there is no way any non-earth like planet can sustain life. It is IMPOSSIBLE.

KingEbukasBlog:
booked space

I think one thing we need to remind ourselves daily instead of waiting for death to rattle us is the fact that, as long as we are in this tent, death, pain,aging are inevitable. This is what makes a believer look forward to resurrection, our blessed hope.

The mistake of attempting to live out resurrection lifestyle in the present physical bodies is what breeds all these epic disappointments

sonOfLucifer:
Same here bro. Just okay. Hope you're though.

Thank you, I'm fine. Did you get Lara Croft Go?